Check the test of *Audi A4 B6 1.8T Quattro* on *three rollers* - in comparison with *Volkswagen Passat B5 VR5 4Motion* !!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/foygyLKfY7uvaNo.html

@marekgogowski8537

3 жыл бұрын

Passat b5 to to samo co audi b6 quattro

Both are equally bad compared to the new cars you test on the channel. It's great to see such an improvement for such a small timespan.

@cockindoodoo

3 жыл бұрын

True. But these are still highly simple awd systems most mechanics can work on and you can rely on. New cars more and more have issues with how many sensors they have and if one goes out the whole car stops to work properly and in some cases can loose their AWD capabilties at all and go in 2WD mode. So I agree new AWD systems work great on rollers but not so great in the real world. Those high tech AWD systems also tend to su*k on soft roads when it goes uphill and in true offroad situation because it just doesnt keeps the momentum going, if you watch closely these newer cars (except of a few like subaru) never really power all wheels at the same time which is a big flaw when youre truly stuck somewhere. Everything has pros and cons I personally rather have AWD car that I can rely on rather than some fancy new gadget filled crossover that is pretty much only good on icey streets.

@BenBieb

3 жыл бұрын

Thats Nonsense, you can take an old Audi quattro from the 80s and eary 90s with Manual Differential lock that burns all that new electronic crap..

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@BenBieb In terms of traction - sure, that's what diff locks are for. But in terms of handling those old cars cannot match new ones.

@nikolayrayanov2895

3 жыл бұрын

@@enicaeduard Elaborate? Why is it better and how?

@eetumalvikko8327

3 жыл бұрын

@@nikolayrayanov2895 Because it is bulletproof continous mechanical awd with edl. not blaming that ultra quattro for example is bad or something.

This A4 with those rims utterly beautiful

@TC-V8

6 ай бұрын

I had the B6 Avant Quattro with the same 18" Avus alloys and same colour as this one, but mine was 1.9tdi. Loved that car, amazing in the snow and general winter driving. Didn't understeer on the road as people often accuse Audi's off.

In real world, the e46 system actually works pretty well. I own e46 330xd, facelift. We have some good snow here and hills too. From standing still, climbing a hill, both right or left wheels on ice the other two wheels on a clean asphalt. ESP is on, the yellow triangle flashes few times, than the car starts to pull and there you go. The case in these kind of tests is that the rollers have almost zero friction, while in real conditions it's not exactly that way. That's why some systems look not that good on rollers, but work pretty well in real world. And just one last thing. Torsen quattro on b5 maybe is better to get out of snow/mud, but wacks in cornering, because most of the time it's 50/50 front/rear. They understeer, while e46 got constant 38/62 front/rear and does much better in corners. Let's be honest, these cars are not made for offroad. So IMO quattro is not superior to e46 system (it's also very reliable too). Both systems have their pros and cons. :)

@thetoughcookie3665

2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand this video result, i have same system as E46 on that vid has, on my E53, only difference in transfer box is chain instead of gear drive. So also no xDrive. Still it never does like on that E46 on this video, unless I have faulty ABS sensor. I think that car has some problem with Abs system, or just on brakes, maybe stuck.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

@@thetoughcookie3665 What production year is your E53? There were versions with the same awd system as in E46, later on it was replaced by xDrive.

@todortoo

2 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yes, this is correct. However the X5 seen on the link below should have the first awd system, same as E46. They also have the same version DSC III 5.7. Still the X5 performs pretty well with two wheels off the ground. I wonder what could make this difference. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l4ypstWGd8modrg.html

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

@@todortoo I think there's different traction control software in X5. It may have the same controller but different tuning, designed more for suv.

@thetoughcookie3665

2 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers It's made in -01. But it transfers the power pretty heavily in slipping tires, buch more than E46. No xDrive, if happens to break ABS sensor it's 1 wheel spinning only. My father has an first gen E83, it has an xDrive, now recently it lost one ABS sensor, tested how it does and it spins one wheel at front and one on the back with no locking anything else than the transfer case pack. Without any technical failuresthere is not much difference on them. X5 without xDrive goes better on heavy snow just because of ground clearance. And still about this video results, they seem to be like different system because E53 works with heavier power on brakes.

Love the Audi rims

bardzo fajne filmiki tu macie pozdrawiam

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Dziękujemy i pozdrawiamy!

Audi Quattro 💪💪💪

So how did you push the BMW back to the road? Or did it stay on the rollers till next year? )))

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

We had to push it cause Audi was next in line for the test on three rollers ;) And then it also needed a push: kzread.info/dash/bejne/foygyLKfY7uvaNo.html

@pej0s

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers właściciele nie pobili się? :>

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@pej0s Nie mieli okazji się spotkać 😉 Obydwaj bardzo pozytywni ludzie, pozdrawiam serdecznie jeśli tu są 🙂

@blizteredthumbs7911

3 жыл бұрын

Audi had to strap up an rescue the beemer :)

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@blizteredthumbs7911 Two minutes later Audi also needed some serious help... ;) kzread.info/dash/bejne/foygyLKfY7uvaNo.html

The Audi has a Torsen center differential. If you apply the brakes moderately it will direct more power to the end of the car that has grip than the brakes take away. It should be able to drive off of the setups with two fronts slipping or with two rears slipping easily with the brakes applied. The scenarios with one front and one rear slipping will still rely on the ESP system, or really EDL, to get it going, but that should also work better with the brakes lightly to moderately applied.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

All of the things that you mentioned should be done automatically by TC/EDL, not the driver. That's what this test is about. We tried to use brake in Audi V8 which wasn't equipped with EDL - trick didn't help.

Дай Аллах тебя здоровья! и скорейшего выздоровления. Аумин

I hadn't realised there was a 4WD BMW 3 series in 2003. Anyway it is not built for passing these tests.

@zepedrofd

3 жыл бұрын

What was it built for then? 4wd is for icy and snowy roads. These rollers represent what you might encounter.

Uwielbiam te komentarze gloryfikujące Audi, jakby serio poradziło sobie zdecydowanie lepiej 😂

@harammasari5919

3 жыл бұрын

Po co komu potrzebne 4x4 w BMW , tę markę zdobiło RWD i nie wiem wgl jakim hujem się to porównuje. Wiadomo że jest różnica między napędami że względu na charakterystyke

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@harammasari5919 Gdyby napęd na cztery koła w Bmw nie był nikomu potrzebny, to by go w tych samochodach nie było. A jest, i to nie od wczoraj, a od 1985.

@michalmichu7940

3 жыл бұрын

To piszą osoby z kompleksem bmw przykre ale tak jest, posiadam bmw i Audi i nie wywyższam jednego bądź drugiego każdy ma wady i zalety, a jeśli chodzi o test to żadna różnica, pozdr. Zawistnych

@ZaxChest

3 жыл бұрын

Audi kręciło dwoma kołami a BMW praktycznie zawsze jednym...

@ukasz2875

3 жыл бұрын

@@michalmichu7940 to chyba pan jest niedowidzacy jak nie widać różnicy !

only quattro🔥

@Gabrielnafalski777

3 жыл бұрын

XD

Think some front wheel drive cars with torque vectoring traction control would do better in some of these tests

Finally, I'm not too surprised. The reputation of this BMW E46 is not great in terms of 4wd transmission. ADB-X is not sufficient to brake and transfer enough torque, and replace a central LSD. ADB-X is not helping by the torque distribution. Strangely, the reputation of the X5 E53 without X-Drive (before 2003) is better. To check ;-) . I would be curious to also see an Mercedes ML w163 with the ETS-4 system and /or a Land rover Discovery II with the ETC.

@vanzemaljacludi3324

3 жыл бұрын

Toresn is way better. Think that is system in audi

@thetoughcookie3665

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I wrote on different comment about this when this was so weird bcoz I thougt the system is identical with my E53 pre fl. Seems not. I have as to compare E83 with xDrive and E53 without xDrive is better in snowy roads. Epic

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

@@thetoughcookie3665 Are you sure your version doesn't have xDrive?

@miloskujovic

2 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I think all E53 have xDrive, that sDrive starter from 2014 for X5

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

@@miloskujovic In 2003 there was a change in X5, planetary center differential was replaced by xDrive.

Pretty exzellent Film!

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Very interesting results, I wonder if the traction control system in the e46 is that much different from my e39. Thanks to the bad roads in my country, I've been in situations where I have a rear wheel off the ground, and my e39 (which is rwd) brakes that wheel (and blinks the dsc light on the dash) allowing the other wheel to pull me through. I expected to see the same from the e46 when I opened this video, very surprised at how incapable it was!

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

We expected to see similar behaviour to. It looks like it is working good for front/rear but not for left/right.

@SWENWAR

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers in real world actually works pretty well. I own e46 330xd, facelift. We have some good snow here and hills too. From standing still, climbing a hill, both right or left wheels on ice the other two wheels on a clean asphalt. ESP is on, it flashes few times, than the car starts to pull and there you go. The case in these kind of tests is that the rollers have almost zero friction, while in real conditions it's not that way. That's why some systems look not that good on rollers, but work pretty well in real world. And just one last thing. Torsen quattro on b5 maybe is better to get out of snow/mud, but wacks in cornering, becouse most of the time it's 50/50 front/rear. They understeer, while e46 got constant 38/62 front/rear and does much better in corners. Let's be honest, these cars are not made for offroad. So IMO quattro is not superior to e46 system (it's also very reliable too). There pros and cons for both systems. :)

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@SWENWAR I'd like to point out that rollers do not have zero friction, especially under load. They are very similar to black ice. You may check the video called "tests on rollers real world situations": kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2Zqy5KzodfLiKg.html When it comes understeer then yes, that's the problem of Audi, even later on with 40/60 torsen.

@SWENWAR

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I just share my experiance with the car. It is my 6th winter, driving it and it's doing it's job perfectly. Sure it's not the best AWD system, but works very good. It has some advantages over my friend's 01' Subaru Legacy. The e46's biggest disadvantage is the ground clearance. But as I said before, it's not made for offroad. Greetings! :)

Dots are helping, even with these old not great awd systems.

@kuokkavieras6498

3 жыл бұрын

Most of the old ones are much better than the new ones 🤔

I have that exact audi same year @ 265.000 & I still drive circles around most cars & suvs on the road !

That's what happens when you have an open diff , LSD will fix that and makes your car handle better

These 4x4, you really want :-D

Jestem zaskoczony. Myślałem, że te napędy jednak coś potrafią.

@coliberkaszlak8535

3 жыл бұрын

Xdrive może się cmoknąć

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@coliberkaszlak8535 Tu akurat nie ma xDrive.

@doktorx2157

3 жыл бұрын

@@coliberkaszlak8535 Nie porównuj napędu e46 kiedy ten napęd jest maksymalnie prosty jak to możliwe do napędy quattro z torsenem, druga sprawa napędy typu quattro do jazdy codziennej nie do końca są lepsze od haldexa czy x-drive.

@IzTam89

2 жыл бұрын

W e46 nie ma xdrive, jest to stały napęd na 4 koła a nie dolączany przód jak w nowszych modelach. Posiadałem quattro jak i e46 z 4pędem i powiem, że jedno i drugie daje radę w trudniejszym terenie, jednak bmw o wieeeeeeele lepiej i pewniej się prowadzi (quattro jest mocno podsterowne w porównaniu do bmw).

Got the same audi but sedan still in pristine condition and feels like a SUV!

@jeffjeff5895

3 жыл бұрын

What you smoking

@HRMusic35

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffjeff5895 ?

@ano_nym

2 жыл бұрын

I feel the opposite. But that is because some previous owner lowered mine... I wonder how it will handle the snow now.

Audi 👍

der 1.8T da könnte ich mir drauf ein wedeln =D geiles teil =)

Ciekaw jestem jak poradził by sobie 4matic w Mercedesie C klasie. Super filmiki Pozdro. P.S w BMW chyba napęd popsuty po przednie koło się nie kręciło.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Dzięki, pozdro 🙂 C klasa była tutaj: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fGeAw5KghbHWYdo.html W Bmw napęd sprawny, całą przednią osią zjechał z rolek.

2:30 even a front wheel that is not loaded does not rotate at a BMW, this suggests that it is not possible to drive off the rollers while standing with rear axle on them. it was anything but not the all-wheel drive effect.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

If both rear wheels are on rollers then both front wheels pull the car forward.

I did not understand why the Audi in the first 0:40 attempt was at a loss, and in the second 0:52 it left freely. Have you changed the AWD mode? 

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Different acceleration style. Only rapid press of acceleration pedal makes the system work.

@damianfrankowski2354

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I know from experience that the off-roud school goes into the forest and, unfortunately, with this drive design, only an attempt to shoot with the clutch and full throttle. Unfortunately, the EDS system, which is to help open differentials at the front and rear, does not quite work.

Tak się złożyło że mam teraz te 2 auta, tylko audi w tdi a bmw za dużo nie jeździłem. Audi radzi sobie dobrze, wyjedzie wszędzie ale do zabawy to tak średnio bo ciągle elektronika przyhamowuje koła choć bączki robi. BMW w ixie na zakrętach czuć jakby to było zwykłe rwd i wyjeżdża tyłem jednak czuć masę a z przebiciem się przez śnieg nie było problemu

The e46 is so much better looking. And effective !

quattro died long time ago, once they removed manual diff lock ... now its just a name for nostalgia ..

@andrjooo

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. However the EDL has same adwantages over the manuał Diff lock witch was only for the rear Diff. EDL works on front and rear axle so in whorst case scenario - when only one front wheel has grip then quattro with edl would pass and quattro with only rear Diff lock would not move ... unless you manualy hit the breaks☺ I still preffer the old real quattro 😊

What rims does the audi have? ... exactly

No nie stety przekonałem się na własnej skórze że quattro w mega ekstremalnych warunkach napęd zawodzi (głęboki śnieg i głęboki piach) :/ problem mogło by chyba rozwiązać agresywniejsze działanie systemu EDS który powinien bardziej wyhamować koło które ma mniejsza przyczepność a w tedy resztę roboty zrobił by już centralny Torsen.

@grzecho82

3 жыл бұрын

Może po prostu zawisłeś na głębokim (śniegu, piasku). W takich warunkach nawet rasowe terenówki potrafią zawieść ;)

@damianfrankowski2354

3 жыл бұрын

@@grzecho82 zgadza się. Ale w początkowej fazie była by szansa wyjechać :) ale ubrany w nowe doświadczenia 1 i do odcięcia oraz w bagażniku saperka 🤣

It is clearly seen that Audi is better in any road conditions :D

Uda się zrobić test quattro 1 generacji z ręcznie blokowanym dyfrem i centralnym mechanizmem by pokazać różnicę i porównać np do nowego modelu?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Jeśli tylko znajdzie się ochotnik z takim samochodem...

@mrc92

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers A gdy była stara S6 c4 to test był robiony z włączoną blokadą dyfra ?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrc92 Tam już nie było blokady dyfra, to już wersja z EDL.

@mrc92

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers A to może jakieś inne AUDI się trafi np 80 do testu.

@c4n15lupu5

3 жыл бұрын

mój kolega miał kiedyś 200 quattro właśnie z tymi dwiema blokadami

How much more capable do you think the bimmer would be with a clutch plate lsd on the back?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

It depends how strong would the clutch pack be :)

Co to za felgi na audi ?

Suzuki Swift w ostatnim wydaniu, też miało 4x4? Widać w tle ,przed rolkami.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Tak, ale nie występowało w tej wersji na polskim rynku. W tle widać wersję Sport, ta w ogóle nie występuje z napędem na cztery koła.

Bmw 525ix e60 2008, is it xdrive or old ix system like the one in the video? Thanks!

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

xDrive.

@Angel_PC

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks a lot!

Pierwszy like!

Mam a4 b5 quattro 2001r i jestem ciekaw czy poradziło by sobie lepiej od b6? Będziecie kiedyś na testy na śląsku? Bielsko,Cieszyn?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Za jakiś czas Katowice, ale ciężko powiedzieć, kiedy. Ostatnio testowaliśmy A4 B5 z 1999 (materiał wkrótce), wersja z EDL, bez ESP.

@biczfaker9109

3 жыл бұрын

Masz sedana czy kombi?

@rafapisi2305

3 жыл бұрын

@@biczfaker9109 kombi.

@andrjooo

3 жыл бұрын

Z tego co mi wiadomo to w b5 jak i w b6 napęd quattro działa identycznie . W obydwu przypadkach wspomagany na dwuch osiach przez EDL (Electronic diferential lock ) W starszych modelach np Audi 80 90 100 200 i 5000 była mechaniczna blokada tylnego dyfra, przud nie miał żadnych blokad. Pozdrawiam Tu krutki test edl A4 b5 q kzread.info/dash/bejne/h5met8N9pZWZcqw.html&feature=emb_title

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrjooo Tu jest nasz test B5: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nGyuxMd-ct3Jg7w.html Jeśli chodzi o EDL, to B5 występowało bez ESP, a to zupełnie inny rodzaj EDL niż w modelach z ESP.

Jestem na prawde gleboko przerazony i jedym i drugim. Jesli ta Audi to wzdluzny silnik i torsen - to serio totalna porazka. Cale zycie fanboje tlumaczyli mi ze nie ma nic lepszego niz "Audik z torsenem".

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Torsen T-2.

@loldd4797

3 жыл бұрын

Musisz wiedzieć, że te rolki to bezsens i totalna abstrakcja. Działanie torsenowego awd polega na tarciu i w prawdziwym życiu sprawdza się to doskonale, w prawdziwym życiu nie ma rolek, a koła nie będą miały jakiegokolwiek tarcia jedynie, gdy zawiśniesz srogo podwoziem, ale wtedy już żaden napęd nie jest potrzebny, tylko linka i inne auto, choćby muchy srały. Te rolki nie przekładają się na NIC i genialny napęd, idealny napęd, napęd który działa najwspanialej tam gdzie auto jeździ, może na rolkach mieć ogromne problemy, niczego to nie zmienia, bo rolki to strata czasu i na odwrót, gówniane układy jezdne, auta kiepsko sobie radzące tam gdzie jeżdżą mogą rolki pokonać bez zająknięcia. Mało kto kuma, że napęd to wahacze, zawieszenie, rodzaj zawieszenia obu osi, elektronika obu osi i dopiero dyferencjały, to tworzy napęd. Jak prymitywny jak jasna cholera, gówniany dołączany napęd suzuki 4x4 z tylną belką skrętną! XD poradzi sobie na tych rolkach, nie oznacza to, że jest to lepszy napęd, niż 14-16 wahaczowy potwór Audi. Jedyne co można przyznać, to to, że Audi zawsze skąpiło różnicówek na osiach. Quattro z lsd tylnej osi i nikomu już w normalnym życiu lepszego nic nie trzeba.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@loldd4797 Tu masz materiał na temat testów na rolkach vs rzeczywiste sytuacje: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2Zqy5KzodfLiKg.html Nie ma napędu, który świetnie radzi sobie w rzeczywistych warunkach, a nie daje rady na dwóch rolkach. A poza tym to nie chodzi o tarcie, tylko o opór, który wynika z różnych czynników.

@loldd4797

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Temat jest tak liźnięty, że aż szkoda na to czasu i w ogóle nie na temat, ale rozumiem to, bo by temat przestudiować, to potrzebna jest góra kasy. W końcu chodzi o jazdę na czarnym, nie w terenie. W teren nie potrzebuję ostrego quattro, tylko prymitywnego patrola. Tarcie, opór, no wiadomo o co chodziło.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@lold d Nie wiem, czy wiadomo, o co chodziło, bo akurat wewnątrz torsena chodzi o tarcie, a w przypadku opon to już inny temat. Nie odniosłem się jeszcze do Suzuki - zapewne pijesz do All Grip Select - proponuję najpierw zapoznać się, jak ten napęd jest sterowany, jak i kiedy pracuje, co robi na śliskich nawierzchniach etc., a później dopiero się wypowiadać na ten temat.

Quattro Power 💪

@Gabrielnafalski777

3 жыл бұрын

XD

a rwd car with lsd differential on the rear axle would pass all tests except the first. and the awd cars would pass all tests just with a lsd differential on the rear axle.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

It depends what kind of lsd. Limited slip differential doesn't mean that it can lock itself.

Land Rover Freelander 1, please!!

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

No volunteer so far 😐

Audi simulate a lsd diff with the brakes, but wont work if both wheels from same axle are spinning. Xdrive e46 are open diff , no brake assist. Very interesting vid, work on paper but also on a benchmark

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

In newer Audi cars (and actually older to) it works. E46 is not xDrive, that's previous system and it looks like its brake assist works only front/rear, not left/right.

Audi forever 😍

@Gabrielnafalski777

3 жыл бұрын

XD

@pring8681

3 жыл бұрын

Audi trash

@krispycreme8059

3 жыл бұрын

@@pring8681 not when your Quattro system has a limited slip in the rear unlike this, I’ve won against everything you can prolly list in a tug of war, v8 power

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@krispycreme8059 The only Audi with limited slip diff in the rear is R8. Audi V8 has torsen in the rear which is not exactly a lsd.

@bartek9848

3 жыл бұрын

BMW TRASH

Are these cars in good technical condition? My clk rwd with esp has no problem to climb with one wheel on ice and other wheel on pavement. Then I performed other test: I jacked up the right rear wheel and the car was trying to spin the loaded wheel

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Yes they are. Try to perform the test but with some resistance (like a curb), that will be similar to this roller test.

Audi quattro💪💪💪

@Gabrielnafalski777

3 жыл бұрын

XD

Czy takie dynamiczne próby jak w okolicach 2 minuty mogą coś uszkodzić? Kiedy na jednej osi jedno koło szybko się obraca a drugie stoi w miejscu? Wydaje mi się że mogłoby to prowadzić do przegrzania napędu ale to tylko domysły.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

To w pełni mechaniczne układy, nie ma co się przegrzać. Poza tym, jeśli samochód tylko bezradnie mieli na rolkach, to obciążenia są znikome.

@daxosm

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Dziękuję za odpowiedź :)

Shouldn't the Audi's EDL system brake the fast wheels to transfer power to the others and move forward? Why it does not seem to engage?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

It should and it is doing that but not effective enough.

Is it possible, that there is also something wrong with the Audi, just like in the video with the B7? Except the ABS/ESP unit, the mechanics of the AWD systems are equal, as far as I know.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think so cause Passat from the same production year performs very similar to A4 B6: kzread.info/dash/bejne/foygyLKfY7uvaNo.html

Can you make a test betwen the newer e90 and next Audi?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, E90 was already tested, video coming soon!

@cocoadroppa

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers where its at tho ?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@cocoadroppa Video coming on 13th November.

please try old audi with diff lock back and midd diff 😁

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

It would be great but it is hard to find one...

@Yuri_Bodlovic

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i have b4 quattro its realy awesome car

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@Yuri_Bodlovic B4 has only rear diff locker right?

@Yuri_Bodlovic

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yes but i mean it would be great if you found the old first quattro.but the b4 always spin the front and back.soo no way its stuck only on back or front wheals.its have a torsen diff max 25:75 and 75:25 back to rear or opossite

@sgt.mckenzie91bomber36

3 жыл бұрын

Video here of a roller test of an Audi 80 quattro with Torsen center and Manual locking rear. No mid lock offcource :D kzread.info/dash/bejne/eIFszbdyYM7chtI.html

Why is the Electronic Differential doing nothing? Shouldnt it brake the spinning wheels to allow the other wheels to get traction?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

If it was doing nothing then cars would fail all tests. It is working but it is not effective enough.

@Nightmare24091989

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks for the answer ;) Really appreciate your videos so i dont have to abuse my audi Quattro to see how its working

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nightmare24091989 Thanks :) On Wednesday there will be continuation of the Audi test - incl. test on three rollers.

Am I correct that BMW is 62 rear/38 front, and Audi 40 rear/60 front distribution?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct about Bmw. Audi is 50/50.

@uosiumen

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Audi is statically 50/50, when car is rolling then split is dynamic and same as weight distribution :)

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@Martin Svensson What "its not"? Explain that please.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@Martin Svensson I think you misunderstood the comment, probably because of language used. Interlocutor said that weight distribution is changing all the time, so is split cause both are dynamic. And static is 50/50 which is of course just for theory or model or just a diff, there's nothing wrong with this statement. No purpose to be rude.

Szczerze mówiąc obydwa modele słabo wypadły. A6C5 kiedyś mieliście? Tam ta sama generacja torsen siedzi?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

A6 C5 nie było. Torsen jest ten sam (T-2), pytanie, jak działa ESP/TC/EDL.

Useless 4x4 😂

Jak będziecie gdzieś na Lubelszczyźnie chętnie dam do testu a8 d2 4.2 quattro 2000r z ESP i a4 b5 2.8 quattro bez esp

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

W planie jest Biłgoraj, jeśli masz możliwość, napisz do nas przez Facebooka. A4 B5 było testowane w wersji 1.8T, z EDL, bez ESP, materiał wkrótce.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@Verdinus Jeśli masz możliwość, to napisz do nas przez Facebooka 🙂

@SubzeroUnique

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers a ja mogę dać e46 330xd chcąc potwierdzić to co tu zobaczyłem bo patrzę i nie wierzę w brak reakcji tylnego napędu przy jednym kole na glebie w xd. Albo to ja nie rozumiem AWD ... Ciekawe czy DSC w bmw bylo ON czy OFF...

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@SubzeroUnique Zapraszam na test. DSC zgodnie z ikonami na ekranie. Czego w materiale nie ma, to tego, że po kilkunastu sekundach mielenia przy wyższych obrotach wywalało błędy. Zdarza się.

@janeks.4188

3 жыл бұрын

@@SubzeroUnique Bo w Polsce jeżdżą tylko te trupy E46 nie zadbane.

Older Audis (for example 80 or 100) with Diff Lock would ride off easily from these rollers

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

There would be three diff locks needed to ride off easily from all configurations of rollers. Ur quattro had two, later on only one.

1:51 Wait, is this real ? How can an 4wd become a 1 wheel drive ? I know those roll bars don't mean much, but still, none of the other 3 wheels move ? At all ??

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

Жыл бұрын

1. Asymmetrical planetary gear differential + possible brake intervention. 2. Tests on rollers vs real world situations: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a2Zqy5KzodfLiKg.html 3. Tests on rollers - WHAT DO THEY SHOW? How to interpret the results? kzread.info/dash/bejne/oKisyaijkbufeLA.html

@krissgs9815

Жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I watched both videos, it was very interesting

E46 4x4 wow that's a first. Seeing the channel name I thought you knew difference between awd and 4x4

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Go back to pre-xDrive times and check what was the naming that Bmw used for x-marked cars. And enlighten me - why basically the same system - for example in Skoda is called 4x4, in Mazda is called AWD, in Suzuki is called 4WD?

@EimantasGSi

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yeah you don't know what the differece is between 4x4 and AWD, 4WD do ya?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@EimantasGSi Just answer the question from previous comment.

@EimantasGSi

3 жыл бұрын

Do show which skoda calls their awd/4wd system an 4x4?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@EimantasGSi Whichever you want, all are branded 4x4. Go and check what's written at the back.

Applying a higher RPM if you lose traction on the quattro wont get you out of the problem. Better to try on a very low rev or speed.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

At low rpm the system does nothing.

@alkareem2u

2 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers just watched this video after one year and still think that the Audi had some issues. Impossible to not move the car after i just had the first winter with my a4 quattro. Also.... that type of roller..... the wheel is in a gap. the real deal should be that the roller device should be flat, not with a gap between the moving parts. A real situation of loosing traction does not mean you have 2 wheels each in a hole..... hope you understood what i mean. The traction was designed to be used on a flat surface not one with holes.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

@@alkareem2u I would have doubts to if not the test of Passat which has exactly the same awd system and it performed almost the same: kzread.info/dash/bejne/foygyLKfY7uvaNo.html When it comes to rollers - flat ones wouldn't test a thing. Car standing on four flat rollers is able to drive away. There must be some resistance like a gap or a hill.

@alkareem2u

2 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Audi A4 has the Torsen sistem as in traction on all 4 wheels all the time, and the Passat is the Haldex.... 4 wheel traction only when needed. They are different. Also the A4 B7 i know for sure its 60% rear and 40% front.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

@@alkareem2u Passat B5 has torsen, that's exactly the same system as in A4. And it's torsen B so 50/50, not 40/60. Passat switched to haldex since B6. A4 switched to torsen C since B8.

The xdrive may not be brilliant here but it’s a good compromise to a RWD. The audi may be slighly better, but the driving experience on road is not that interesting. However, it makes it more reliable and a bit more practical on bad roads. There is no winner in the end. It depends on what car you want. Even the RWD e46 may be a much better solution for many because of simplicity and pure rwd feel.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

This is not xDrive, this is previous system.

@rotorblade9508

3 жыл бұрын

4x4 tests on rollers - duszaniespokojna channel Oh, That explains 1:17 It’s says it’s center open diff with dsc (by braking) not the simplest solution.

Honda's Real Time AWD gets critiqued in the media, meanwhile these failures flew under the radar.

Can you test a Ford Edge?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

No volunteer so far...

Bmw is not meant to be 4wd they are almost all rwd cars

To ja posadzę stare W124 z ASD RWD i z każdej rolki zjedzie bez wyłączania ESP ;) Nie żebym faworyzował, ale 10 lat jeździłem tym pierwszym rok E46 330xi i rok A4B7 1,8t w napędzie i jeśli nie masz blokady miedzy kołami/dyframi to ten napęd 4x4 tak trochę słabo. Czy nie?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Tak raczej średnio zjedziesz RWD, jeśli pod tylną osią będą rolki 😉

@commo1967

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Poczytaj jak działa ASD w MB ;)

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@commo1967 Przeczytaj mój poprzedni komentarz 😉

@commo1967

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Sorka na telefonie odpisywałem :) Tak jest jak pod sama tylną oś to koniec, ale MB miał cos takiego jak 4matic, a tam tez było ASD ;)

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@commo1967 No tak, ten mógł zblokować ze sobą osie oraz tylny dyfer. Czyli problem pojawi się tylko w teście, kiedy jedno przednie koło ma przyczepność.

you need to Test that with an old audi which has some real quattro

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

If torsen isn't "real Quattro" then which one is it...? kzread.info/dash/bejne/e6iIzaebj9PMYaQ.html

@sgt.mckenzie91bomber36

3 жыл бұрын

Here's an audi 80 quattro on rollers if that is concidered to be "real" quattro: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eIFszbdyYM7chtI.html

@BionicSammich

3 жыл бұрын

That A4 has basically the same core system that every Quattro from the past has used.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@BionicSammich Yeap, main difference is in TBR.

@btwlbchris3360

3 жыл бұрын

Liengamer _ that a4 has true quattro its not a haldex system like the TT AND S3

Parking pod Magnolią?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Zgadza się.

Z jakim quattro te audi było?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Torsen 50/50.

Test vs subaru 😁😄😉

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

And what do you think it will do and why?

Кваттро тащит💪💪💪

What type of quattro audi has?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Torsen B.

E46 ma jeszcze stały napęd 4WD?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Centralny mechanizm różnicowy.

not sure why you wouldnt test cars side by side that have similar power trains. 1.8L turbo vs a 3l NA is a big difference.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

It can make a difference in a race but not in roller test.

Manual or automatic transmission?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Both manual.

Get a haldex there the best system for any condition of road use yes there not much action fro the rear but you are in the safest hand .... Haldex is in all the big hydrologic world and power plants . Who drives cars o rollers like that

Chciałbym żebyście sprawdzili moje bmw 5 e61 ciekawe jak by to wyglądało😊

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Zapraszamy, skąd jesteś? 🙂

@adrianszymanski9205

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Niedaleko Rawicza od Wrocławia jakieś 80 km

@adrianszymanski9205

3 жыл бұрын

Z chęcią bym podjechał😊

@adrianszymanski9205

3 жыл бұрын

O ile oczywiście będziecie gdzieś w pobliżu😊

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@adrianszymanski9205 Byliśmy we Wrocławiu w sierpniu i niestety nie prędko tam znów będziemy... Napisz przez Facebooka, zapiszemy kontakt na przyszłość 🙂

4Rings.

Nie wiemy w jakim stanie w tych autach był układ hamulcowy, który jak myślę ma kluczowe zadanie. Pozdrawiam

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

2 жыл бұрын

Nie wiemy, ale jeśli auta potrafią normalnie wyhamować powiedzmy z 50 km/h, to sprawność układu jest bardziej niż wystarczająca.

Test trochę nie do końca miaro dajny, ze względu, że w audi da się wyłączyć całkowicie ESP, natomiast po wyłączeniu ESP w e46 xi działa X-ADB którego nie da się wyłączać przyciskiem na desce rozdzielczej. jedynie wyjęcie bezpiecznika wyłączy nam wszystkie systemy.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Rzecz w tym, że te systemy mają właśnie działać.

@daroox3736

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers sam wiesz jak to się ma w praktyce często gdy się zakopiemy czy w śniegu czy błocie, to z wyłączonym systemem jest łatwiej wyjechać

БМВ в ремонт ходовку. Это дрова

Does the BMW transfer ANY significant torque % to the front wheels? The front wheels barely moved.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

It does. When rear wheels were on rollers, front pulled the car forward.

@rangerover06sc

3 жыл бұрын

38% of the torque is always going to the front. But it has an open center diff, so 38% of however little torque the engine needed to spin the back wheels isnt enough to spin the wheels with traction.

Audi could do better bcs it has mechanical diff and it is unstoppeble at high rpm poor bmw xdrive rwd based

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Bmw also has mechanical diff, this is not xDrive.

Permanent all/4 well drive my ass ...

1.8 vs 3.0 ?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

This is not a race. Besides it is 1.8 Turbo.

Alfa q4 test it ,you'll be surprised

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Coming next week.

Gdzie nagrywacie? Dałbym do sprawdzenia swojego.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Najbliższe testy w Rzeszowie i Krakowie. A co masz? 🙂

@GrabowskyMotorCompany

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers W124 300 turbodiesel 4 matic. Staroć ale ma dwie blokady bez elektronicznych wspomagaczy.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@GrabowskyMotorCompany Zapraszamy :) Nie kojarzę wersji z takim napędem, podasz więcej szczegółów?

@GrabowskyMotorCompany

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers mam niestety daleko bo z trójmiasta. A napęd to pierwsze 4x4 w osobowym mercedesie w tym wypadku typoszeregu W124. Jak każdy mercedes ma napęd na tył, a ten ma dołączany przód i dwie 100% blokady, międzyosiową i tylnego dyferencjału. Wtedy idzie jak Patrol z zapiętymi blokadami.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@GrabowskyMotorCompany No niestety daleko... Blokady automatyczne (sprzęgła? ) czy można zapiąć je manualnie?

W audi B6 i B7 to ten sam układ quattro ?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Mechanicznie tak. Software EDL/TC inny.

@elbombel8095

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers U mnie w B7 jest jeden korek spustowy skrzynia biegów + torsen i do tylniego mostu wchodzi okolo litra oleju .... natomiast wydaje mi sie że w B6 są dwa korki spustowe czyli osobno skrzynia i torsen natomiast do tylniego mostu wchodzi 1,5 oleju...

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@elbombel8095 Nie znam takich szczegółów, nie ma to wielkiego znaczenia, w obydwu przypadkach jest ten sam torsen T-2.

Subaru can do it with one wheel on any corner of the car.

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Some Subaru can, some can't: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p6J-wdpmqNzfk7A.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4SO1auOYtfdfKg.html

Audi b6 very very beautiful beautiful 👏👏👏👏

I didn't had any doubts that the audi is a much greater car

can someone explain how he control just that wheels what ge want??

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Please explain what you mean.

@user-bb6yk3vz4b

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers how you can make that the power go just on side wheels or just on back wheels or just on rear wheels

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-bb6yk3vz4b That's how differentials works, in any car. The point is that it should go to other wheels (the ones with grip).

Zrobić test w mokrym polu A wtedy wyjdzie które wyjedzie które nie. Moim zdaniem taki test był by rzetelny

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Tak, tylko wtedy trzeba wyeliminować milion zmiennych, jak chociażby opony. To nie jest takie proste...

Audi ,👍👍💪💪

You tested the audi more than the bmw but okay sure😀

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

It doesn't change much...

czemu te napedy nie działaja wgl jak tylko jedno koło jest na rolce wtf.. przeciez powinno przekazywac na koła które maja przyczepnosc

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

Nie ma testów z jednym kołem na rolce, zawsze są dwa (oś, jedna strona, przekątna).

@tomek2743

3 жыл бұрын

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers a sory nie widziałem, ale to nie zmienia faktu że te napędy są słabe, mimo ze 4x4 to słabo to działa

RIP BMW

На Бмв не работает полный привод , что не видно ?

@4x4.tests.on.rollers

3 жыл бұрын

It is working. But its basic torque split is 62% to the back and 38% to the front.

@jasonmartin1851

3 жыл бұрын

ОН УЖЕ ДАВНО ЗДОХ ЕЁ ПРИВОД И ЧТО ТО ЕЩЁ ПЫТАЕТЬСЯ🤣🤣🤣🤣

@alexeykazakov9321

3 жыл бұрын

С завода не работает