Good comparison. My 2005 DA 40 burns 8 GPH very consistently.

I think acquisition time and mechanical ability are understated factors in this video. A better summary would be if you want a plane like this in a short time-frame the DA40 is the better option. Build time on the Sling is certainly many months maybe years. And what about an individuals mechanical ability? If it's not so hot, then also the DA40 is the winner. But if you are somewhat mechanically inclined and are willing to spend the time and energy to build it, then the Sling comes out ahead because you get a brand-new airplane built to your specific specs and one with better performance.

@BStrambo

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, whether you want to spend 1-2 years and ~1400hrs building an experimental plane or not is the biggest consideration!

Well done Mike. Look forward to a video on build. Good luck!!

love the safety record of DA40 and how they built the fuel tanks aft of the wing spars. Would like to fly either plane!

Thanks for the review. Love flying the DA40.

Mike as soon as I saw the title I was on it.. 2 of my favorites. Awesome video brother. And I’m the first today. Thanks for this comparison.. great job!

Excellent video! Highly detailed! Nice work!

You should have included the da40ng

@lucashurst4191

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah

As of May 08, 2020, I've became a private pilot. Thanks for your videos, they help tremendously. I used the club route vice the local school here in Augusta, GA, significant save in $$$. To save more $$$, I became the president of our club. Thanks, may be we can meet someday in Ga.

@nivekdeus

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, I'm interested in obtaining a private pilot license. Would it be possible for you to tell me more about the options? I'm in your neck of the woods.

@samthepilot223

4 жыл бұрын

@@nivekdeus it will be my pleasure to guide you through the process. I believe i have a video on my channel talks about the process. But, I would recommend to join a flying club if you will only fly at least 4 times a week, but if you want to do part 61 at a local airport type G class, you can find a school, the good thing about this option, you decide when to fly, once a week, or once a month, it totally up to you, depends on your budget and how often you want to train. Consistently, it's very important to keep your skills up to speed, i met people who took them 5 years, using this option. Hopefully this is help.

@TRZ0612

3 жыл бұрын

I have been flying for about 20 years and I haven't done the math in a long time, but last time I did, the approximate break end point of renting VS owning was right around 150 hrs/year mark for a single piston airplane. Unless you have money to burn or just enjoy the thought of owning your own airplane, the convenience of renting has its advantages. Also, if where you rent is also a flight school, then there is better/more maintenance requirements, which I rather like from a safety perspective.

Excellent video. So glad I found your content.

Hi Mike Great video and interesting comparison, however, you compared the newest model Sling TSi with the Diamond DA40 from more than 20 years ago, which is not very fair on Diamond, or the choice that someone contemplating a new aircraft is going to make. The performance of the TAF Sling 4 was rather unremarkable, with a cruise speed of 130 KTAS and range of 700 NM , and it was not until the Sling TSi introduced flush riveting, a new wing and the turbocharged Rotax 915iS engine that it began to shine. The Diamond DA40, that you used as a comparison, also had unremarkable performance when powered by the trusty, but archaic Lycoming IO360, certified 65 years ago, in 1955! For the last 20 years the Diamond DA40 NG has had a turbocharged Jet-A burning Mercedes-Benz engine, first supplied by Thielert/Continental and now by Austro. The Diamond DA40 NG wins on speed, range, fuel consumption, fuel cost, fuel availability, insurance premiums, grass strip performance and has a Tundra tyre option. For some, it will facilitate progression to the Diamond DA50 single and/or DA42 NG and/or DA62 twins. The Diamond DA40 NG has a Maximum Continuous Power cruise speed of 154 KTAS which is faster than the Sling TSi Maximum Continuous Power cruise of 148 KTAS quoted by TAF. The Diamond DA40 NG burns just 5.1 US GPH at 60% power of Jet-A and has a range of 948 NM against the Sling TSi range of 750 NM. Therefore, the Diamond DA40 NG has a lower fuel burn, of a cheaper fuel and its range is 200 NM longer than the Sling TSi. In most parts of the world, , Jet-A is half the price of MoGas and a third of the price of AvGas. Even in the USA Jet-A is the cheapest fuel although by not such a great margin. You can buy the fully certified Diamond DA40 NG new from the factory, complete and ready to fly away, or used from Diamond or on the secondhand market. The Sling TSi is a great experimental aircraft, which comes very close to the Diamond DA40 NG, if you have the time and skill to build a kit and maintain the aircraft yourself. www.diamondaircraft.com/en/private-pilots/aircraft/da40/tech-specs/ www.slingaircraft.com/aircraft/sling-tsi/

@mojogrip

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Philip, good points. But the fairness in comparison comes at the similar price point. If I compared to the NG model, we would be at a different price point.

@Aventura2005

4 жыл бұрын

I fully agree with Philip GC11. If you are comparing the Diamond DA40 to the Sling TSi you should at least mention the DA40NG. Anyway the Diamond is a certified aeroplane which the Sling is not, so it is expected to be more expensive. Can you do the same comparison using the DA40NG, even if it is more expensive? That would be a more interesting comparison.

@adrianwalker9917

3 жыл бұрын

@@Aventura2005 Although I don't always agree with Mike's comparisons and commentary, the DA40 as a certified alternative to the Sling is exactly what I thought of. The DA40 NG is an unfair comparison because even a two-year-old 2018 NG model is wildly expensive at more than $600,000 CAD! A 2021 NG is priced at just under $800,000 CAD! A *beautiful* plane but it's far too expensive to be compared to the SLING.

@suzukirider9030

2 жыл бұрын

@@adrianwalker9917 Damn, that's a lot of money for a 3.5-seater with an engine from like a 90s car... certified or not

Excellent video, Mike. Thanks.

Thank you so much for this good quality video ❤️💎

I love your videos man, there's something about the way your voice sounds, or your mannerisms or something, that makes me watch like 10 of your videos at a time, haha

One of things I've found in owning an LSA (PiperSport) with a Rotax engine is that A&Ps want nothing to do with working on them. To the point of "don't even ask me to change a tire on that thing." Some of this will depend on where you live. I love flying the plane but I'm not really wanting ro be a mechanic. This comes into play when you have an issue on a cross country. You can get seriously stuck in a hurry. Anyone will work on a Lycoming. Rotax? Not so much. If not restricted to LSA I would definitely buy a certified GA aircraft.

@davidpringuer3553

3 жыл бұрын

This will certainly change in the future. Rotax is growing.

Thanks for putting that video together. It would also be useful to compare the wing loading and the Vne/stall speed ratio. Also, for me, the winner would be a certified factory built Sling tsi or a DA40 with a BRS. But neither is available right now.

Great vid. Thank you, I agree with your conclusion. I live in South Africa, and we can buy a new factory built, certified 'plane, so no home build required and the lead time is only 3 months. So for me, the Sling is the Boss!

For the DA40, even if you have 2 average sized adults in the front seats, it’s hard to load more than 250 pounds in the back for CG limit

I think its time to make new video as fuel burn and many more are updated in DA40 NG. Hope you will come up with latest current info. Love to see it.

Great breakdown

Hey mike. I find the DA 40 looking nicer. Have you ever considered reviewing a high wing jabiru?

I love the DA40, it's a beautiful aircraft

Very nice. How about doing a similar comparison between the Diamond DA 40 NG/Turbo Diesel and the Sling TSi.

To me Diamond does look at lot nicer but ultimately I would go with the Sling due to price and the fact that you can pretty much design it to your specs ( including BSR etc )

hi mike! how are you currently working on your mojo-sling during the crisis. i know that georgia has reopened but either way still great video

Great comparison clip! Go Mojogrip Go!:-)

Maybe interesting for buyers is the number of planes built of a certain kind. That influences for example your insurance rate and how easy it is to sell it second hand. Currently there are 10 SLING 4 in the US (of which 1 is a TSI) and 761 DA-40s (of which 71 are NGs). Quite a difference.

@EJWash57

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the DA-40 has been in production since 1997. The Sling TSi debuted at AirVenture in 2018. That's a lot of catching up to do, don't ya think?

@jeanmarcbain9120

4 жыл бұрын

TAF is producing a comprehensive number of airplanes. Mine is serial number 211 and still in construction , the plant is highly loaded at now and when I visited them in February they were on number 240 in their order book. And this in less than 2 years. However there are not enough machines on the market and we will need to see second hand ones to get costs better evaluated.

Very informative!

Diamonds are indestructible, I saw one hit the approach light and overshoot WITH THE LIGHT BURIED IN THE WING! Then land safely!

@nunyabidness3075

3 жыл бұрын

Class2 instructor, the amazing stories of Diamond safety are just crazy. And so many of them. I met the 70 year old that walked away from a midair at 500ft on final. The experimental that slipped in on top of him was trashed and the pilot broke many bones. That DA 40 was repaired and back on the line in a pretty short time. Diamonds can burn. They are designed to prevent fuel leaks though. I know of a DA20 that burned. I think it sparked the grass after a hard, off field landing. The traditional spam cans scare the heck out of me now. The video gets a lot of things incorrect IMO. I don’t know much about the sling. Comparing experimental to certified is just wrong though. I’m afraid it’s a bit over this young pilot’s head. I could likely learn a lot about building from him. Hopes he talks more about that.

@abel4776

2 жыл бұрын

Carbon fiber construction, a very important feature that adds to the safety factor.

Very fair, considering your bias! If I could afford it, I'd prefer a Sling too.

Loved the comparison but can you do one with the DA40NG please.

No experience with either, but based on your comparison between the two I'd probably choose the Sling TSi as well. Big question is going beyond PPL, what can you take examination in? Especially if going for CPL and up.

@coolhari2000

3 жыл бұрын

You can get your hours (& practice) in experimentals & legally you can take CPL checkride in an experimental (if you find a willing DPE), however you can do testprep in a certified & take the checkrides.

Then there’s the DA 40 NG with air conditioning. FADEC, turbo diesel, nearly twice the range, with half the fuel burn and a great cruise speed. Only downside is current pricing and useful load.

For $275k, I would get a completed Glasair with twice the performance. The builders are very detail oriented. They have invested years of time and effort into their kit builts. I would take advantage of that time and craftsmanship.

@coolhari2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@texastyrannyresponseteam794 Glassair 2 seater right ? Bonanza yes, beautiful ASF Cirrus is a tad more expensive, the SR20 has a lower useful load too. Cessna 400 is DA BOMB - Pissed as textron for running it (ttx) to the ground. A 210 at this price would be almost 40 years old.

The Da40 diesel that I fly burns around 4.5 gph of Jet A1 at 60% load. Inline 4 turbo Diesel about 135hp. Less payload though...

What about the DA40NG with the Austro engine? They use Jet A1 fuel and the marketing says that burns about 6 gph

Could you do a new video on the upgraded Da 40ng vs sling tsi ?

Please do this comparison with the DA40 NG, I think the DA40 NG will win the comparison in my opinion.

I have noticed when you fly your Sling you're constantly chasing your ailerons where any other plane you fly is a lot more stable side to side. What's going on with your Sling?

How much of that 738-pound payload weight for the Sling is subtracted by the weight of the ballistic recovery system (BSR)? I'd also like to have the necessary graphs/data to run some weight and balance equations. Allowable weight doesn't mean that you can take it all. Depends on load distribution.

@mojogrip

4 жыл бұрын

The parachute is less than 50 lbs. I'll confirm the exact weight. Stby

Can you amend your review comparing the DA40NG with the Sling TSI?

I would like to know what your breakdown is on cost for your Sling. I want to build one in the future and would like to budget correctly. Thank you.

@mojogrip

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Curtis, I did 1 or 2 videos in the past on the cost break down. It must be in the video list somewhere

WhT about a 6-seat experimental? Any good choices?

3:58 what do you use for the data overlays?

What type of car gas can you put in the sling tsi?

08:01 But if you opt for the Austro AE300 engine you can fly on Jet-A, widely available (more than avgas) and very inexpensive (a little over 2 dollars per gallon), apart from the fact that this engine is very easy to start and manage in flight.

Looking at this in 2022, just feels kinda funny when he mentioned the gas price.

A tough comparison would be sr20 and da40... You must do a video...

@coolhari2000

3 жыл бұрын

The SR20 is EXPENSIVE

@gibbmusic

3 жыл бұрын

I'll go ahead and do that for you: SR20/SR22 wins if you make 500k a year+. Otherwise, DA40.

I was confused you had the pictures of one plane over the information of the other plane..

what about the diamond DA50 RG

RV-10 base price is cheaper than both of these light weight toys. You have to be a tiny squirrel to reach inside that little baggage door on the sling. RV-10 can carry everything loaded, cruise as fast as a Cirrus SR22. Can’t figure out why you would want a plane that gets tossed around like a paper airplane vs a plane that has a lot better penetration in turbulence plus you won’t be burning up crank bearings like a Rotax engine does.

Meh.... airframe durability and diesel engine would be interesting to consider. In Europe Avgas prices are sometimes upward of 3 Euro’s a litre (not gallon). While the diesel powerplant runs A1 which a third of the price. That’s a big difference. airframe durability is yet to be proved with the Sling. Most of it is blind fasteners and very thin sheet (hence they’re light) but how would that stand up to couple of thousand hours. On the other hand. Metal structure is way easier to repair than composite

Any good resources on where to get ethanol free mogas. My Cherokee has the potential to run on Mogas but never been able to find any on any field or even find a dispensary

@coolhari2000

3 жыл бұрын

Which engine ?

I would rather compare the Sling TSI to the DA40 Diesel. Run's at 6 GPH on cruise. :)

I would like to see sling tsi vs sr20 g3. they are both around 350K

The Da 40 i took an interest in had a turbo diesel.. better range and GPH..

I prefer the retractable canape that slide back and forth

Thank u explain me. I am curious which one is good tsi vs Cirrus SR22?

@lucashurst4191

3 жыл бұрын

Sort of unfair. I would compare the tsi to the sr20.

The sling looks like an overall better option.

Hey Mike - I see you are listing the new Sling TSi at $275k for a new model. I must be missing something because that's about $135,000 over what The Airplane Factory has the material items on their site listed at. How are you arriving at that number, or is there just that much of an overrun from what is listed on TAF's website?

@coolhari2000

3 жыл бұрын

The TSI with the build option (after you add the engine & the avionics & all the bells & whistles). Self build is cheaper.

As for which plane I would choose. I'm old school so I would go with a Cessna High wing. I love the styling and I would prefer a yoke over a stick.

@canconservative8976

4 жыл бұрын

Then it's Cessna vs Piper Cherokee...

@rufusbailey1746

4 жыл бұрын

Personally I love the DA40/42(more so the 42 because it’s a complex aircraft that is slipperier thru the air) but I do prefer a yoke to a stick in terms of feel primarily because of the difference of flying pic vs sic, the yoke is a good feel from either seat.

@gibbmusic

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe I'm "special", but I did 95% of my training and early flying in a high wing & yoke sled, and I found the transition to a stick to be intuitive. Within the first 5 minutes, the stick felt natural and I can go back and forth between the two with little issue. The one advantage I see with a stick vs. a yoke is that it's easier in training to learn to only have one hand on the stick (cause there's not really room for two, not on the DA40 at least). It took me a while to break the habit of having both hands on the yoke, I guess it was engrained from driving.

I think what most people are missing when they criticise not comparing the Sling to the DA 40 NG is the whole point of cost. Of COURSE the NG is more comparative in performance.....BUT the point is what you are buying for a comparative price. Looking at a used DA 40 most run (depending on year) 200- 270K....NGs are listed as "call for price." Translation...more than comparable . Hence the comparison with the DA 40. I know, I know, thank you Captain Obvious.😐

G'Day mate Sling for me.

who is better ?

The Sling TSi is better with the new technology( no rudder needed in turns) is more friendly to the pilot but one must know the real deal of true flying.

It will be nice if the airport sells auto fuel for the Rotax powered airplane's owners.

@hogster5935

3 жыл бұрын

You can buy a fuel trailer and bring it to your plane.

@abel4776

2 жыл бұрын

@@hogster5935 Mogas goes bad in months time, a factor to consider.

I'm not into owning a craft with Rotax engine. To bad the Sling seems nice.

It would be better if you compare the Sling with a Tecnam P2010 instead you do it with the Diamond Da40 ....

Personally I would rather own the Sling, but biggest ding against it is that, I could not use it to test.

@2vfax

4 жыл бұрын

You can test in a Sling TSi. My son and I have done all our training and checkrides in a TSi we did a build assist on, Love my TSi!!!

100LL is $3.84 at my home airport

The DA-40 needs a new 199 HP turbocharged engine.

I thought you couldnt use experimentals for training

@rjbishop12

4 жыл бұрын

You absolutely can if it is your own airplane. I did my training and got my check ride in my experimental.

@coolhari2000

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing in the FAA regulations against it. FAA loosened up a LOT on experimentals, IFR is ok too.

I think DA40 marks everything perfect...

🔜 DA40NG 🥰

Apples and oranges

My RV-10 is cheaper (than the Diamond), faster (185 Ktas cruise), more powerful, and has a BRS parachute. I have about 1000 pounds useful load. Plus, I don’t have a Rotax gearbox to replace every 300 hours. Easy choice.

ithe only thing i like better on the sling is the rotax with the turbo charger the da forty looks amazing it has twice the looks as a sling the sling looks like its so outdated compared to the da 40

Sling tsi wins

Da40 is best

My sofà, I suppose ....

Nice video - but you should have done this comparison before you committed to building a Sling. The risk of cognitive dissonance in you deciding to conclude favourably on the contender to the Sling here would be far too much, leading to a strong bias. Thanks

The Da40 NG would kick the sling easily.

60 dollars for 10 gallons?? In the EU we get a Gallon for 1.2 Euros lol

@walterrawdanik8077

4 жыл бұрын

10 gallons of 100 LL , on average , would cost about $90 or so in Germany , while in US on average it would be $45-50 ( California though is very “special”)

@coolhari2000

3 жыл бұрын

You sure you're not thinking Litres ?

What are you really forgor...da40 diesel

Lycoming - Diamond already won

Mike

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... but the DA40 is ugly as sin! I love it anyway because of how she handles. Sling TSI is prettier but I have no experience in it.

You need to talk in Knots. 😉

Please, please, please! If you don’t want to deal with calculating fuel and range to get more capacity for people and baggage that’s fine, but don’t act like people who can do the math don’t have the option. Would your Sling be better with only 20 gallons capacity? You could get in more stuff! Think about it.

I wouldnt do the DA40 just simply because it is not a good looking plane. Sling all the way.

@pongpolk.8920

3 жыл бұрын

I think the same for me DA40 look ugly

The DA40 has better looking passengers

The sling TSI cause it can use car gas

Don't know where you got your costing, Sling is far cheaper than you quote.

LYCOMING 360 HAS A LONG HISTORY OF VERY RELIABLE SERVICE,THE ROTAX DOES NOT.

I hope someone give me an iphone

@lucashurst4191

3 жыл бұрын

*gives

one is certified one is not ,,, nothing to compare

In my eye DA40 rear shape is very ugly.

Well I can tell you what at least one difference is: one aircraft is very beautiful and the other is an ungodly ugly abomination of I literally can't even think of enough words to describe how ugly Diamond aircraft are.