If you want to get Zizek's 'I WOULD PREFER NOT TO' t-shirt you can do so here: i-would-prefer-not-to.com

"The most authentic choices are experienced as necessary"

that concept of "free determinism" as a answer to the conflict between construct and determinism is so beautiful it was like hear an "i love u"

@azarael77

4 жыл бұрын

I think that Schopenhauer has put that in a nice phrase somewhere (I hope that I'm not wrong with the translation): You can do what you want, but you cannot want what you want.

@aakarshan4644

2 жыл бұрын

can someone shed some light on this ? free determinism ?

Why is Zižek better at describing my experience as a trans person than most trans intellectuals

@bravesirgallahad

4 жыл бұрын

Because he doesn't secretly hate you

@brwnipoints

4 жыл бұрын

Because Slavoj a human who has deeply invested himself and dedicated all his passing time to understanding the human condition. He has little illusions of his own feelings and doesn't let himself despise others, or their ideas. He only tries his best to understand them

@azizghoneim

4 жыл бұрын

In his last sentence, if you replace "Freudian" with "Jungian", then you can explore more as to the depth and validity of what he said.

@albertogutierrez9734

4 жыл бұрын

I dont care about your experience just as much you dont care about my gender.

@mayman4255

4 жыл бұрын

@Clandestine Comments I don't really believe there's a philosophical discussion to be had on PTSD and OCD compared to gender dysphoria,disorders aren't diseases by the way.

I would give a limb for some real, authentic Žižek/Contrapoints interaction

@azliaheaven2800

4 жыл бұрын

i will give even my sexual limb for it

@Sirzhukov

4 жыл бұрын

It's just another kitschy meme youtuber. Why? I understand that you see Zizek solely as another piece of funny junk amidst your letsplays and unboxing videos, but didn't you have enough of it with that Peterson debate? Why do you want to make a total profanity out of him?

@akemdam9824

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sirzhukov how come is profanity?, personally i think that hearing Natalie and Zizek would be interesting.I wouldn`t give one of my limbs though.

@akemdam9824

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sirzhukov And i understand that some people see him as a mere meme but there is plenty of other people that is really interested in his writings and find in his youtube videos a way to understand him better.

@DellDuckfan313

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sirzhukov Furthermore, I suggest you stop being so presumptious about other people's interests. I guess painting me as some superficial numbskull makes you feel better about yourself, but you look more like some idiot gatekeeper to me. I mean, "piece of funny junk"? The philosopher who famously interjects dirty Balkan jokes into his talks? And that's the best put-down you could come up with?

11:10 can't believe Žižek chose to fall in love with me ❤️😍❤️

@marshmelows

4 жыл бұрын

You lucky bastard

@karabomafa5609

4 жыл бұрын

Lol he's known to be a player

This was a very interesting video! That falling in love example was a great example that helped me wrap my head around transitioning

why are there so many transphobes? zizek literally recognizes the use of having differing words gender and sex as well as biological control over both. his argument isnt anti trans or anti gender studies its just critique of modern gender science understandings. he literally calls them heroic and id say traditionally this makes sense. id like to point out the nature of the irony of trans people being the most convinced by the social construction of gender, or to say the most enslaved to the social construction of gender, and also being the subject who unavoidably has to ask the question more than others “how do i know/do gender” as a self reflective nebulous exercise; it is an effort which is directly in opposition with simple answers and eternal happiness at the end of a tunnel. its a function with the same limit as the general human function or any question you spend a life on, and deeply oppositional to the kind of over fetishized wish fulfillment trans bigoted people and liberals even will assert as trans peoples motives. gender has always been a rite and a painful one for both men and women, cis and trans, and a less traditional route of growth is not vain but equally noble. god/science/ontology screwed the pooch with trans people at birth if you wanna see it that way, this would be in line with zizeks theory on quantum physics/atheistic christianity. or don’t, they still exist regardless. the point is our objectivity is contingent to our subjectivity in the way their very relationship of informing one another. biological sex informs gender as does personal history; there are few measures as chaotically affected by chance as sexuality and identity. i appreciate this because if we’re to go by zizeks typical logic for paradox, or just the simple idea of having to accept our own meanings as contingent and pursue them in spite of our own acceptance of their absurd starts and uncountable limits, then trans people are wholly reaffirmed by the human condition in a way liberalist and moronic semanticist straw manning does not. by accepting trans identities as a natural phenomenon of human sexuality we can move past stupid sex does/doesn’t equal gender and see that that was never really the argument. we make choices and are never the wiser for why. free determinism > essentialism in terms of explaining and encouraging gender struggle to the gender illiterate or bigot. rather than relying on some nonexistent medical diagnoses or brain scan to prove scientific distinction between cis and trans consciousnesses, this argument can accept the tension in trans life between biological determinism and chaotically built individual psychology in a way which is not about reaching an end state of harmony or destroying indefinable borders, but of accepting your own natural state of ambiguity and non essentialism. instead of positing trans identity as a reaffirmation of individualistic essentialism (gender as a soul) it lets trans people off the hook of needing to prove they exist using biology by letting it rely on something as simple as unconscious fact of the ego. (gender as truth) so no you should respect trans people and their pronouns as zizek repeatedly says. they know their own metaphysical contradictions more than your vulgar cries of narcissism, or semantic masturbation will disprove, more than he/she as insult will ever account for. you fuckin sophist morons can eat my phenomenologically ambiguous ass, or whatever i won’t engage in arguments without purpose so just read it and get triggered.

@comradecracker447

10 ай бұрын

Deadass. My argument is that I want them to be liberated from the yoke of hurting fantasies and idealized dogmas and dysmorphias, while simultaneously both sympathizing and genuinely wanting to accept them and help them cure their sorrows that they once previously had from dysmorphia. Where it is the trans person I love and accept but I wished their dysmorphia was never there to begin with. Where I want to stop our unhealthy behaviors and standards and force fed dogmas that things like social media worsen like how teens now are at an all time high for beauty standards because of the FAKE lives people put out. I have body building friends who have a serious enslavement to emotionally needing to look jacked in order to literally NOT cry and people with eating disorders who starve themselves with bad standards. Where we are all enslaved in a yoke of emotions and desires. Where we must balance it. Where some do and don’t. Where it manifests itself in many different ways. I wish to accept those who seriously want to be trans but do not have this huge emotional lining to it, and especially those who do have a dysmorphia. Where I want to prevent this extreme emotional negativity, but those who are afflicted with it deserve better from themselves and others. I know some don’t experience a dysmorphia but I also know people do. Where we shouldn’t impose these insane and exploitative standards and embed them in us as children that them manifest unhealthy standards. Where I once felt terrible for how I looked, but now accept and realize that I am normal. I am human. And it’s not me that’s wrong but my standards and the standards I’m fed since a child. I love you and you deserve love. A real appreciation for you and your condition. Where we shouldn’t be so hard on ourselves and nor should we suffer these hardships to begin with. Where there is a destination between the biology and behavior and ideology, but not one that is deserving of a dysmorphia. Or a true self hatred. Where our behavior of calling someone or wanting to be called something is separate from what we are on a material front. But since often those who are passionate about the idea coinciding with a totally incompatible material explicitly(my summery of my political frustration as a child). Great sorrows arise. And to stop those sorrows is either to stop the obsession that the material match the ideal or the material go ahead and match the ideal. 😢but sadly it will be a long time before we as a society even reach that realization for any issue. Because that last bit is the core of so many problems we face. The capitalists want capitalism to fit their fantasy. The fascists want to have their nation fit their fantasy of glory. The even many people like Trotskyists idealize about world revolution where they miss the whole concepts of societies being at different points in the advancements of production and relations towards it thusly total revolution is not going to happen. Sorry, little rant. I can go on but you get the point. 😢

@Philosophy-he6yq

8 ай бұрын

I am not going to read all that, as a "transphobe", i do not want sexual extremists having unrestricted access to children and disallow parents to know or object, if someone is 18+ and wants to do stuff i don't care, leave the children alone, many trans people are very disrespectful and aware they are "protected" and chose to be the worse they can be.

"My Gawt I would Lub to watch this Fillum"

@neillewis1389

4 жыл бұрын

That's original. Authentic even.

@md5820

3 жыл бұрын

So on and so on..

every trans person I've met regarded slavoj zizek as an extreme phobic person. but guess what? as a trans person, nope. he is not, he is less transphobic than me actually

Greatest philosopher alive, hands down.

I would imagine that this channel is using "Transgenderism" as a way to describe a specific ideology about gender theory, however just making sure were aware that that term is pretty frequently the term tossed around on the right to mean anything pertaining to trans people. Like, propaganda saying that liberals are pushing "transgenderism" to force men into womens restrooms, etc. Theres probably another better term that could be coined that doesnt intersect with right-wing/transphobic rhetoric and also helps you paint a more illustrative picture of the ideology being discussed. (Esp because actors on the far left are frequently accused of being against marginalized identities in their pursuit of economic justice). Zizek never uses the term Transgenderism in the video, instead he refers to essentialism and a few other ideologies which are combined in political correctness (etc) which create this binary between the reality of trans experience and the desire to "save happiness" through affirmation of lgbt+ identity.

@feelingveryattackedrn5750

4 жыл бұрын

@@lynvanderwel3124 Yeah I guess Im just wary. I have tons of trans friends and mentors from school, I worked in several LGBT institutions on campus, and attended many academic conferences on LGBT issues. I never once heard it used there, but I hear it all the time on Fox News (at least Tucker Carlson's show). To me, the use of a word that is never used by the community itself harkens back to the times when homosexuality was medicalized and pathologized in an attempt to deny peoples humanity. "We must get this homosexuality out of our schools" etc. There really is no -ism to transness; its a diversity of experiences and its unhelpful to try to reduce it to that singular word. Same reason that we dont see people addressing race relations in America by calling out "whiteism" because its clear that such a word would serve no purpose beyond antagonism. However as you said I would imagine there are still some institutions out there that use phrases like that without being malicious.

@niu67tutyihiggik30

4 жыл бұрын

@@feelingveryattackedrn5750 We must get this homesexuality out of our schools, hopefully for me im mexican and here we dont let black people and gay guys do as they wish, thats the reason MURICA its the worst shithole on earth

@feelingveryattackedrn5750

4 жыл бұрын

@@niu67tutyihiggik30 Youre in the wrong vid bud. Slavoj Zizek isnt a fascist like you are.

@reyavispa1472

4 жыл бұрын

@@niu67tutyihiggik30 México es una mierda por gente como vos

@niu67tutyihiggik30

4 жыл бұрын

@@reyavispa1472 Argentina es peor mierda por gente como tu

I don't know why I kept waiting for te ad to show

Slavoj and so on and so on Zizek

Of courrsse it’s gillette and so on and so on....*sniffs *touches 👃 -Slavoj Zizek(2020).

@s70rk

4 жыл бұрын

That just about sums it up. Thanks.

link to the full video?

The only little criticism, he needs to get his language right so as to avoid being labeled as ignorant. A trans guy is a guy who transitioned from being born a biological woman not a woman who was born a biological man. That way it is easier for us to identify who is he speaking about and also avoiding the awkward he/she his/ before her confusing language.

@borninthenorthMi

3 жыл бұрын

Compelled speech

@ragnar0209

3 жыл бұрын

very true

Stahp putting ads in your videos plz

What I like about Zizek regarding sexuality and gender is the awareness that identity anxiety encompass everybody.

english subt?

6:40 here he is taking the position that why is it not told to a person who wants to transition that "gender is a social construct , there is no need to transition.." etc. , basically he is being an existentialist here but then at 10:55 he says that love is a determined thing and no one truly chooses to fall in love , it happens automatically, which is an essentialist claim that love resides in ones "self". i think the mistake he is making is he isnt using the psychoanalytic model of the psyche in the first argument (which has the self in the center) but then in the second argument he re adopts it.

@farrider3339

9 ай бұрын

Consistency isn't a unique selling point in such discourses. He also claims that sexual identity isn't biologically determined. A daring approach and to some degree undebateable even. Culture is the telling you where, what, when u are. Not the Self, the You, The I.

In brazil the term gilete is a pejorative reference to a bissexual man. Since a long time ago.

I find this interesting, reminds me of the debate on the social model regarding disability identity. That is why I also cannot agree that a trans-women should be considered the same as a biological women due to the difference in experiences and associated problems. Take away the context of the socially construed identity, how are they going to refer to their problems? You are disregarding their real suffering in a sense.

As he points out, many of the trans stuff is very easy to disassemble from his point of view, he has been ravaging about falsehood of authenticity in capitalism for quite long. Regarding the discussion on the film Girl, I agree with him, but I would add, trans activist were mad because it's anti-grooming film, as it showed having gender dysphoria is not fun. And the fact everybody was supportive in the film denied them opportunity to blame 'transphobes' for all the misery. I would like to hear Žižek answers simple question: can someone be born in the wrong body. As anti-dualist he would have to say no. But bear in mind: Žižek doesn't actually care about anyone's rights. He knows and loves his stuff as a philosopher, but it would be very bad to mistake him for a leader or ideologue of any actual movement.

@farrider3339

9 ай бұрын

Biology says NO Culture says YES

This comment section 10% interesting and valuable comments about the topic of the video 90% shitty hates about Zizek's accent/manierisms.

I'll have to watch this again but I get a sense he is hitting on stuff I have been trying to articulate for a while now. I am completely glad for LGTBQ rights and recognition. I am a straight cis-gendered male (I wish that were not necessary to declare). If raised in a different culture, who knows. The thing I struggle with is people generally communicating gender roles and some LGTBQ are not different in how they approach gender roles. I wish we could accept us for us. Not backwards reasoning from gender role to judge whether someone fits it and if not they are the opposite. Having to self identify a gender is harmful when we are confused about the mixed messages society is giving us. Separating or distinguishing from biology is important, it is progress, but it's not a good place to stay. Much of my life, I have been sensitive and caring, soft spoken, and emotional. People, guys straight and gay assume I am gay and a silent assumption is understandable but the error is in assuming this axis or whatever, the mannerisms we have, our tone of voice, our emotional expression and sensitivity are not the thing that make someone homosexual. If I were to backwards reason from the bullshit much of society feeds, I'd be more confused or possibly wrong about my sexuality. I'd probably want to get a sex change because I am so confused and not accepted simply for who and what I am. It matters not to me that I have male genitalia, because I am who I am and it is not because of my gender identity, I have never been attracted to any guy, and if someone is attracted to the same sex than we should accept that too because that is them. I feel like I get the most shaming from people in some transgender clique, which is sad because I feel so much empathy for transgender, and when I hear people speak or express themselves, I feel like I get understand a lot of what they are expressing. I wish that expression of wanting acceptance etc carried over. I view identitarianism close to tribalism and think the ultimate acceptance comes from dropping of extreme identitarianism so we have room to accept ourselves however we are, and others how ever they are, even for however temporary, since things and people change. And no, I don't see identitarianism as some cosmic evil that we should ban or shame, I think people are better to understand the need for identities, why we do or have identified how we have then to outgrow and leave extreme identities behind in avoidance with other conflicting identitarians. Transgender who are not big or just don't recognize gender roles are people I can get behind. Otherwise, at least in the west, (because the west is all I really know first hand) I feel like extreme identities are commodities or products in a capitalist system. So I wouldn't mind at all to see them go away. The depiction of a trans identity in a gillette ad just does more to seal the deal on how I feel about the "identity" in general. I wish I could sub essentialism in for identitarianism but I cannot, because I see essentialism as more abstract but identitarianism as a more arrogant thought that the essential is understood.

@rchrdhzl

4 жыл бұрын

Jared, What in the actual fuck, man? Get outside of your fucking head, bro. You are a fucking human being on planet earth. There I figured it all out for you. You go on and on about drama for what? Here is the deal: Absolutely nobody gives a shit about you. Does that sound mean? Tough. The world is mean so toughen up, buttercup. 7 billion other earthlings have their own crosses to bear. If you have '3 hots and a cot' you have more than most. All of your 'made up' drama would be solved for you if you had to hunt or farm for your food - (Maslow). Tough love, bro. If you respond with anything other than: "Ya know what? You are right. Thanks I needed to hear that". Do. Not. Bother. Replying.

@jareddunlop8411

4 жыл бұрын

@@DouggieDinosaur The Student Union, I don't know where that came from. I also don't know how it sounds like I am being a mom (by which you mean a role but aren't very specific) I was trying to be specific, because elsewhere on YT people argue from simple misunderstandings that then require me to be more specific. I am glad you got this whole life thing all figured out, so maybe you can tell me what you mean by referring to what I did as similar to a student union or how I am mimicking the role of mommy.

@DouggieDinosaur

4 жыл бұрын

Jared, you're the heavy breathing viking at a quilter's convention receiving negative feedback for your needle-point of Odin battling Cthulhu. Plunder all the chimichurri cauliflower steaks and get the hell out of there. Listen to rchrdhzl, he's right. And watch some Jordan Peterson videos on youtube.

How do i even understand zizek. I did not catch anything from this 12 min video. What is he even saying?

Anything worth having in this life requires great sacrifice & suffering, the tougher the journey, the richer the rewards. The nub of the issue though, is that you must be totally committed to your personal cause, it is your journey, it is not anyone else's to hi-jack under the guise of altruism.

a discussion between Jane Clare Jones and Žižek would be so cool *-*

Original video

Resolving social construction vs. essentialism? Dude, it’s called an internal contradiction. Kant can’t fix that shit show.

@osianevans-sharma2899

3 жыл бұрын

imagine questioning slavoj on kant !

@PowerYoutuberViewer

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine not.

All choices aren't experienced as necessities. For example; I can choose to have a drink, but it certainly isn't a necessity.

@tftreplay

4 жыл бұрын

Think about why you would chose to drink water without thirst and I think you'll arrive back where you started.

@newlyborncorn

4 жыл бұрын

@@tftreplay Dude, I means a glass of alcohol. I could literally choose whether I'm thirsty for it or not. Sometimes I'd choose to drink it as a celebration, but sobriety could be just as appealing in a lot of instances.

@mayman4255

4 жыл бұрын

@@newlyborncorn It's really more complicated than that, it's not just "I chose to drink alcohol when I could've remained sober",when there are factors that built up for years that influenced that "decision".

@newlyborncorn

4 жыл бұрын

@@mayman4255 Of course, if we're going to get philosophical and have a meta-discussion about cause and effect, then you could say that free choice doesn't even exist. However, that argument doesn't really change anything, so I tend to find it a bit pointless.

@theangryeconomist4304

4 жыл бұрын

@@newlyborncorn Why bring it up then?

I personally amtrying to accept the status quo, that transgenderism is a good thing. But the example of this ballerina-centric focus seems to say a lot more about the social unacceptability of men doing ballet, or otherwise perpetuates the prejudice that men shalt not question the gender stereo-types by engaging in "feminine" activities such as ballet, when really, we've conflated and corrupted as a society the word "elegance" with perfection and the feministic quality...

He is confusing being Transgender with being Transsexual. Some trans people are still dysphoric without wanting to change their body at all. He is right about this being about :"assuming your true identity", but its not so black and white. A lot of trans people I have met find their true identity between the two genders and feel dysphoric presenting completely as one or the other.

@Wissahickon

4 жыл бұрын

Well while everyone was sleeping, someone arbitrary decided that “transsexual” was offensive and so now no one uses it. Another thing that really annoys me with trans politics.

@NF-ru8on

4 жыл бұрын

@@Wissahickon idk where @Vaigar necesarily expressed 'offense' here. They were expressing a disagreement with Zizek's framing of 'transgender' (with respect to the distinctness between framing 'transgender' in terms of 'biological sex' and in terms of 'gender' which tries to integrate the realm of psychology and culture in addition to the former). I bet you may have some disagreements, but this concept of 'taking offense' very easily dumbs things down and shuts people up (effectively a kind of 'censoring').

@user-tk8bk9ww9q

4 жыл бұрын

I think dysphoria is not about gender, but rather about sex. A dysphoric person either hates his/her body or wants to be of the other sex, or both. On the other hand with the transgender person as you would describe it, the problem is about gender so it does not require transition. It Is just a refusal of accepting gender roles. But that has nothing to do with sexual dysphoria.

@ardvark3131

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-tk8bk9ww9q Wouldn't it then be gender dysphoria? Edit : I mean wouldn't it be that rather than sexual dysphoria as you describe?

@user-tk8bk9ww9q

4 жыл бұрын

@@ardvark3131 Yes but then we would be talking about two extremely different things with very similar names and that would just add confusion, but i'm not against It. The point is that sexual dysphoria is something that as Zizek says causes extreme psychic and physical pain, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, self-mutilation, self-harm, depression. Gender dysphoria is not this painful. It could never be because gender doesn't exist. Gender dysphoria is just refusing to adhere to the gender roles society imposes on us, if it Is anything other than this, It Is sexual dysphoria, even if you don't want to change sex: tranvestitism is still a transexual practice.

he must be struggling during covid crisis trying not to touch his face

Of course there is a patriarchal figure as a strong representation of support. On average, mothers are almost always satisfied with children, no matter how destructive children are. Fathers, on the other hand, are more likely to evaluate children based on children's character. Since mothers spend 9 month pregnant, for many of them the mere fact that child is born represents a success. Fathers more often have to realise that their child is a positive factor in this world as a consequence of their parenting efforts, in order to feel successful as a parents.

He produces too much saliva me thinks

@xenomorphlover

4 жыл бұрын

Me thinks it's not only saliva he produces...

@poopyfacehole1426

4 жыл бұрын

Jacqueline Odigie what why?

"The only authenticity existing, is performed by convincingly playing your role." (S.Zizek) So much about the pathetic statement done here, by even calling trans people heroic . . We need a more sincere debate, I claim. Sorry I talk too much ~ I'm not against them just to avoid any misunderstanding. Please misunderstand me right 😊

@farrider3339

9 ай бұрын

However a great address towards the topic 🏆 Zizek

11 minutes of snot…His hands are dripping wet

I like the way how Slavoj Zizek purposely or unpurposely clast the icon of popular English academia or/and use of English in his presentation....

Research John Money.

@mayman4255

4 жыл бұрын

Unethical scientific research has unfortunately been a part of analytical science for years,Look at lobotomy.

@No0bPwner12

4 жыл бұрын

@@mayman4255 Yes. The difference is that no one takes lobotomy seriously anymore. Mark my words, future generations will look back at us chemically castrating children in the same way.

@mayman4255

4 жыл бұрын

@@No0bPwner12 There is nothing unethical about transitioning,even puberty blockers,the things people like to protest against,are perfectly fine and can save a person's life of they have gender dysphoria.

@No0bPwner12

4 жыл бұрын

@@mayman4255 Whatever you say matey.

@elijahlees8655

4 жыл бұрын

He should been thrown into a forced labor camp if not given the wall. He was basically a pedophile.

The SNOT DRIPPING FROM HIS HANDS…HE …PICKING HIS SNOT-HOLE…IS QUITE FABULOUS !!!

The sexual is political. The LGBTQ community is right in deconstructing the standard normative sexual and gender opposition, in deontologizing it, in recognizing in it a contingent historical construct full of tensions and inconsistencies. This is similar to class antagonism whereas the struggle is not between the two particular classes of the whole, but between the whole-in-its-parts. Anyway, I usually loathe rainbow capitalism but I think the Gilette ad campaign was helpful for the trans community, despite the corporate interests.

@NF-ru8on

4 жыл бұрын

I would be interested to know how one can actually 'measure' or 'track' the 'benifit' that the Gilled ad cmpgn had. Is the benefit Conversation? Or is it more like an influence on perspective (but not even necesarily those leading to explicit conversations [but it doesn't matter cuz there is a 'media' conversation])?

@Tartersauce101

4 жыл бұрын

Why are they (lgbtq movement) right to to deconstruct/deontologize it? Honest question what the hell is the benefit? Were traditional humans quietly suffering their whole lives because the tribe had some roles and expectations tied to primary sexual characteristics?

@barrythompson5680

4 жыл бұрын

"The LGBTQ ... is right in deconstructing the standard normative sexual and gender opposition, in deontologizing it ..." Why? I wonder if there is some way to show these conclusions are 'right', as in 'correct'. And what on earth do you mean by 'deonologizing'? Does it involve pretending something isn't there?

@Tartersauce101

4 жыл бұрын

@@barrythompson5680 Ha! I beat you to it 😂 hopefully we get an answer

@carrion_man3700

4 жыл бұрын

Is the LGBTQ community actually "deontologizing" it? I know a great many academics in gender studies, et al, certainly deconstruct gender identity. (To what end is another topic...) However, I'm not so sure there are maxims that apply across "the LGBTQ community," as you seem to suggest. Certainly not in a classical Kantian manner. As it is, your post is exemplar of the word spaghetti Foucault would masturbate to. Essentially, your insight is dressed in the language of academic jargon and suffers because of it.

This channel is just like Peterson's. At least zizek is smart

@brippie

4 жыл бұрын

That makes it not like Jordy Pete's

@Meladjusted

2 жыл бұрын

What.. does that even mean? Also, this isn't Zizek's channel. It's a leftist philosophy channel that heavily features Zizek.

I am what you would basically call a right winger. What are Slavoj Zizek main points/core beliefes? Just curious.

@liver4823

3 жыл бұрын

He is a hegelian and a Lacanian who adds elements of Marx into his theory. You're not gonna be able to understand him from youtube videos. You're going to have to understand a bit of hegel and lacan before you even start.

@daybyday3840

3 жыл бұрын

@@liver4823 I know a bit about them. What is particularly special about Zizek? I don't really understand that part.

@JohnnyJacobGO

Жыл бұрын

@@daybyday3840 his ideology is very left leaning if political stance is what you’re looking for. Most of his attacks on lgbt and liberalism is that it sometimes leans on right wing ideology or criticism that the left is not too “left”. Let’s look at this example, his main criticism is the optimistic route that mainstream transgender theory uses. Denying the internal struggle between contradictions (Violent thesis-antithesis in a Hegelian sense) and positing an essential gender than exists inside you. Oddly enough this existence of an essential part would contradict the gender construct theory. Many people interpreted Zizek’s words wrong here in the comment section, as how he is denying the idea of gender construction. Since he is a Hegelian , he relies on Necessity for Freedom. The new synthetic gender is not essential but formed from the contingency of different options in gender as NECESSITATED by some unknown faculty in one’s brain. This would affirm the status of gender as a construct without the weird essentialist optimistic (be the true you and be happy) shit. In summary, Zizek’s philosophy is extremely Hegelian ans Leftist.

@daybyday3840

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnnyJacobGO Yeah this just seems like autism for me. This Utopianism that defines Leftism obsessing over how the world ought to be, not what it is. I am really into genetics research and thats what makes me a Rightist.

I love this guy, but it’s so hard to listen to him talk. It’s torture. If he were to see someone about his speech impediment, I think his audience would be maybe 10 times bigger?!

@ibfreely8952

3 жыл бұрын

Poor you.

@oxstorm644

3 жыл бұрын

gross isn't it? feels like im being showered in spit

I feel radically COMPELLED to listen to this grotesque man. Free choice IS necessity. German philosophy, now I understand you ....

Zizek what in the hell are you talking about?

@AIenSmithee

4 жыл бұрын

The cognitive disonance that modern liberals have by saying that cis people are only performing their gender as part of a societal construct while then breaking this rule to say that transgender people definitely and intrinsically are the gender they say they are.

@xavierlaflamme8773

3 жыл бұрын

He's a typical extreme leftist. They think what they read in some books can be successfully applied to society without breaking society. Similar to the communist manifesto. Reads well. Sounds great. Reality??? No way.

To the neglectful liberal I ask, what about the sorrows and hurt that got the trash person to this point. And to the conservative the same thing. It’s not that I am fully opposed to transgenderism, but I do not want them to suffer this body dysphoria and accept themselves within a reasonable means. That we as all people are able to let go of illogical fantasies. The conservatives seem to believe that capitalism will never have contradictions that inevitably make a it a hell, and the liberal who thinks that the exploiter will just accept and let a slave go. I empathize with trans people who I know suffered so much, but I also want to stop their and others obsession and belief that they are something other than what they are. That we in a way must be stoic with what we have. That yes we can change what we have and so on, but within a practicality that we truly liberate ourselves from our slavish desires. I oppose not the trans person, but the dysmorphia within. I do not oppose the true sympathy and love towards trans people, but instead the shackles they have on their mind. That either we remove those shackles( or more of a socialist word) yoke, by fulfilling the shackles commands or helping liberate the person through self liberation of those shackles. I am called rude names by both sides of the American political system for my opinion. When all I do is sympathies with the trans sorrow. To those who are unwilling to fully listen to me I am transphobic or some cultural Marxist or whatever. It will be a long time before we even try to actually give an answer. I think this growing dysmorphia that isn’t about gender and sex, but more idealized and illogical dogmatic fantasies that we place ourselves in. Where we are slaves to our desires. That I too once I fell under. I in long story short was so disappointed in the world around me I wanted to off myself for most of my childhood. But I now realize I will never get my idealized world and accept that. I now love everyone and so on, but I know friends who have a body dysmorphia both trans and non trans. I know people who starve themselves off of illogical fantasies and beliefs that they are fat, not buff enough, or pretty enough. Where the advent of social media rots our brains. I hope we can agree with that. Where dysmorphia of all types occur because since I was 3 I was fed an unhealthy belief of what was hot, sexy, healthy, unhealthy, and so on. Where I thought that I had to be a body builder(I lift but not for these reasons) in order to look hot and had terribly illogical and unhealthy standards for women. Due to prom and just idiotic societal social media filters and falsifications of life. This is my critique. Not that I am anti trans, but I am against the dysmorphia. I want to stomp out the ideological negativity, while simultaneously supporting those who are coming out on the other side. That is not a contradiction. Nor is is unjust. I love them and they deserve right. They deserve respect. If not out of true respect, then do it for the sympathy and the reduction of their sorrows. They deserve better than what we give them and they give themselves.

@farrider3339

9 ай бұрын

Stoic view on all this. An excellent point. Life isn't wishing fountain and the intoxication of human mindset by ideolgies of utmost dimesnsions is factually unfathomable and utterly destructive. Obsessive or fashionable shift of identity still leaves u with a label and be that famous ➕ in LGBTQ. FREE yourself from the societally induced need for authenticity. Not you, just as a parole ✊

I love seeing Zizek fucking up pronouns

Where is the contradiction between gender being a social construct and gender NOT being a choice? Something being a social construct doesn't imply that it is an INDIVIDUAL choice. It can only be changed if the entire social context is changed. It is constructed by society not by the individual. The perceived value of money for example is a social construct. Yet no one can change it individually. I cannot change it by saying alone "this money is now worthless!". It only changes its value as a consequence of all of society agreeing that it is worthless. Same with gender. No one can individually change what it means to be masculine or feminine. Only if society as a whole changes its perception of what is seen as masculine or feminine or if the majority of people with female/masculine bodies start to perform in what is considered non-female/masculine ways. German idealism saying that choice is a subconscious necessity is just another (or THE real) contradiction. That being said so. I am a gender identity essentialist (only the expression of it is a social construct, but the feeling of it , whether you feel masculine or feminine is not (it's on a gradient though)) It's not a social construct, it is biological. Transgenderism is some kind of biological anomaly in the brain, imho.

@Gabe-1997

4 жыл бұрын

Contrapoints made a similar point in her coming out video (not accusing you of plagiarism). It seems that given that Contrapoints is philosophically-inclined given her work history, she is uniquely receptive to discussing gender identity in a more analytic than most progressive-minded people. This reluctance of many transgender people to explain their identity on a more philosophical level is understandable considering how little acceptance they receive, but is nonetheless ill-suited to persuading fence-sitters.

@aarnihilden1077

4 жыл бұрын

Transgenderism as in gender dysphoria? Im not sure if it is a biological anomaly, or at least that simply put. To elaborate, intersex is clearly a biological anomaly: your sex organs do not make it clear to which sex you belong to. I am honestly not sure whether transgenderism, i.e., discomfort in one's own body especially related to one's sex is explainable more on biological terms or sociopsychological terms. Now in UK the number of kids saying they are transgender has exploded. I think transgenderism is largely due to environment: if a child has many cool friends that are a certain way, they will want to be like them too, and maybe finding one's own sex attractive or not looking particularly masculine or feminine is also "evidence" to them. If youre a man and dont like sports it doesnt make you transgender, if youre a woman and dont like makeup it doesnt make you transgender. Playing this game further pinpointing what gender is and especially what transgenderism is becomes impossible. I think it is more a social phenomenon that is at its peak (hopefully) today.

@FinalBoss429

4 жыл бұрын

Aarni Hilden “your organs do not decide which gender u belong to”. What an utter bullshit.

@0310Music

4 жыл бұрын

@Erni Muja Objects may hold certain biological or chemical properties. But whether they have value, depends on us. A car is useless, until we know how to drive it. That means without us humans, the car is just pieces of materials put together. It has properties, but they don't serve any purpose and are therefore not valuable. If we didn't walk around on earth it wouldn't be used and have value, no matter how useful their properties could be (but the definition of good properties is, again, colored by our own subjective needs).

@0310Music

4 жыл бұрын

@Erni Muja Hmm that's a good point, some values are not based upon culture but universal. Even then, though, the point is that the value of a thing is derived from the universal meaning we ascribe to it. We think strength is a value, because it's useful for us to survive. Which shows it's subjective, it's not objectively useful, it depends on us to be useful. Value is subjective, properties are objective. Or at least, that's how I think it works. We may not come to agreement here. Another point: when we discuss values we don't always refer to natural properties of objects. We often talk about norms of behavior and those actually do differ on culture. In that case the subjectiveness of it is obvious.

Bender was the best trans of all... and he did it without a necrotic fistula.

Nothing new, pretty basic use of logic to refute gender and identity politics.

@Tamperkele

4 жыл бұрын

You seem very smart. You should be doing the lecture instead of this Zizek guy.

Has nobody brought up the horrible oppression that right-handers force on left-handers? The whole world is set up for right-handers, without so much as a pronoun in recognition of the others. Can you imagine the pain left-handers feel as they deal with their isolation?

@luciddoggo5094

4 жыл бұрын

I know your being sarcastic, nut there are problems that left handed people have

@vincentruben4365

4 жыл бұрын

Sarcastic? I think this the PC speak he argues is toxic, because it's so often used as a diversion for discussing underlying problems.

@barrythompson5680

4 жыл бұрын

@@luciddoggo5094 I know that very well, and that's why I used it as an example. My point is: why aren't the problems of left-handers taken as seriously as the desires of transsexuals? There's a lot more of them, for one thing. If that's a 'diversion', it's a diversion onto a problem involving more people.

@TeaParty1776

3 жыл бұрын

@Marcus Cato Or being tall and hearing stupid basketball jokes!

@JohnnyJacobGO

Жыл бұрын

@@barrythompson5680 because left handed people aren’t beaten up on the street or bring disown by their own parents.

Jeez. The table and chair he is sitting on, must be floating in spit by now!

Oooo so social changes cannot make you feel better. Reminds me of something.......SOCIALISM!!

If I could snap my fingers , I would want to look like a 30 year old JLo. I can understand why a man would want to at least look like a woman, because women are so very beautiful.

But here's the thing. You can't simply say that gender is socially constructed. Gender roles (femininity and masculinity) are, but gender identity isn't. Gender identity is given, biological.

@coverseven

4 жыл бұрын

no. gender and sex are different things. sex is biologically determined to a large extent. gender is entirely social. most people's gender corresponds with their sex, but they are two separate things.

@TeaParty1776

3 жыл бұрын

@@coverseven Is your post socially determined? And how would you know if your mind is socially determined. You evade self-determinism. Are you a parrot mindlessly responding to cues?

@coverseven

3 жыл бұрын

@@TeaParty1776 Yeah a lot of my attitudes are socially determined obviously. Do you think my taste in clothes or art is due to biology? Social conditioning plays a huge role in your personality.

@TeaParty1776

3 жыл бұрын

@@coverseven You evade your volitional mind. Your many choices throughout a day to focus or evade cause your psychology. Social conditioning is relative to the choice to focus or evade. Conditions are not causes.

save yourself 12 minutes, skip to 11:40

To me authentic heroism doesn't involve forcing the entire world to recognize and accept your lifestyle

The True self that resides within is neither male or female. It’s is Spirit / Light. which has no gender. However, being male or female is biological and not socially constructed .

Since a boy can never know what it is to be a girl, how can it ever be possible to think that he was born into the wrong body? It isn't. We don't know what it's like to be anyone but who we are. Why not be honest and tell the boy, "Look, you can't be a girl. You can be yourself. You can be different and that's OK. But you can't be what you're not. There's some things in life you can't change." Oh, and perhaps add that you don't have to be a girl to do ballet for crying out loud! There's a simple answer to the transgender issue: there's no such thing. People don't have a gender. There isn't one assigned a birth. You have a sex. It's assigned shortly after conception through biological processes, not sociological constructs. Language, the words we use, they have gender. Not us. "What gender am I? I don't fit? I don't feel comfortable in my own skin!" If you don't accept yourself, hate yourself, believe a delusion that you are somebody else, those are all signs of mental health problems. And if you applied that to anything other than the idea of gender, nobody would argue with you about it. They'd tell you to seek professional help.

@tts626

4 жыл бұрын

@joe buffalo I agree with that mostly. But we're not talking that somebody doesn't feel however they feel. The trans folks claim to feel that they are somebody else. In their case, the opposite "sex". They are born in the "wrong" body. Well, I contend, "How would they know?" If a woman wanted to be a different woman, that would be more along what you're saying. She couldn't know. But that doesn't mean that she doesn't know that she's a woman. Because you don't know what it's like to be somebody else, doesn't mean that you don't know what it's like to be yourself. So, a woman knows she's a woman. And I'd agree. A trans person, knows they are "different", but they cannot jump from that to claim they are the opposite sex inside ...which is something they cannot know. They are what they are. We all are. I know that I'm me. Other wise, the best I can do is empathize with others. But we all know we can never know how somebody feels. For trans people, feeling is all they have. That's exactly why they need the made up "sex/gender assigned at birth" concept. Which is social construction bullshit. Our sex is something that none of us get to decide, nor is it decided for us. Now, the roles that are associated with sex that we are expected to fit into, and maybe we don't feel that we do, that's a different argument. One that I mostly support. At most, trans people have an ideal of what it would be like to be the opposite sex. they fixate on that ideal and they are told that if they could reach that ideal, everything will be better. No. It won't. It's really not much different than those who suffer from anorexia or other severe body image delusions. Live and let live. Be yourself. Even if it's not what society approves of. Sure. But get a grip on reality and accept yourself as you are. That includes whatever body you were born with. Goes for all of us really.

@devcron7041

4 жыл бұрын

Your argument is structured as a concerned person who cares about trans people and that you wants them the get help rather then going along with transitioning (trans suicide rates are 47% after all), but that's simply a misinformed approach to it. There were some studies that compared transgender people who had parental support and didn't have parental support (usually resulting in getting disowned, which will definately increase your risk of suicide.) The ones who had no support had high amounts of depression and other mental illnesses, while the group with supportive parents had a jurrastic difference in comparison. In the end, transgender people with support from their parents alone had a suicide rate that was 1/15 of the average, which is 47%. This means that l, with parental support, the average was cut down to 3%, which disproves the belief that transgender people commit suicide because they regret transitioning. Now, people who do revert transitioning are definately not the majority, and most of them, from my experience, regret doing so because the only reason they wanted to be trans was due to past trauma. THESE are the people who need therapy, rather than those who have body dysphoria, as trying to do "therapy" on them is like trying to put a gay man through a gay conversion camp, and we all (hopefully) know how bad those turned out. So please, don't pretend to care about trans peoples mental health; most of them are fine, if they have support. Yes, the existence of trans people who detransition after realizing that they've only been trans due to past trauma do exist, but they aren't the majority and shouldn't be treated as such.

@tts626

4 жыл бұрын

@@devcron7041 Thanks for telling me that I'm misinformed. I know those stats. Notice that I didn't even touch on any of them. Lot's of people come from broken families and unsupportive parents. Some get disowned. It's really not unique to trans people, now is it? And it certainly doesn't justify anything about the transgender argument. If there was no such thing as transitioning -- and in a very real sense, there isn't -- then what? Trans people would just lead miserable lives and some would kill themselves? Well, lots of other people do that too. A lot more than the entirety of the trans community I would imagine. And most of those we deem to be needing professional help. But not trans. I wonder why? I think my concerns are legit and the the transgender ideology is anything but.

@devcron7041

4 жыл бұрын

@Timothy Smith Timothy Smith There is a bit to unpack in your response, so I'll number my points. 1. Of course getting disowned isn't unique to transgender people, I don't know why you think I was inferring that. However, as the data concludes, being trans has a high relationship with committing suicide. And, since having parental support drastically decreases the amount of suicides that trans youth commit, we can logically conclude that lack of parental support is the leading cause of transgender suicide. Your argument that this problem isn't uniquely trans is like arguing that black people in Africa don't have the same problems as those in America, therefore black people have no problems in America.

@devcron7041

4 жыл бұрын

2. If body dysphoria is the only reason why trans people commit suicide so much, which is the main reason why right leaning people are against transitioning, then wouldn't the best treatment for it be transitioning? Your main arguement is that everyone should simply go the logical route and tell them that they are, in fact, the sex that they are at the moment. But is that really helpful? Is therapy just telling people who have mental illnesses to just "stop."? Of course not. Instead, we give treatment to them. We help them live with their illness, in hopes that it gets better for them. So, how do we deal with trans people? Well, we can go with your approach, which is simply telling them that they are the gender they were born as, and hey, some people actually do use that approach, in the form of trans-conversion camps. So, do they work? Factually no, even though logically, they should. These camps, instead give their victims even more mental problems then they had before. Most of the time, the victims act like they are cured, only to go back to being trans once they are allowed to leave. Of course there is the possibility that you know this already, and that you are actually heavily against conversion camps. Instead, you would say that we should all go up to trans people and say "um, excuse me Mr, you're not a girl, you're a boy," . Yes, observationally, their sex is, in fact, male. Did that treat their body dysphoria, though? Are they cured? I'll let you find a conclusion to that. But anyways, back to the point, it's quite obvious that telling trans people surface level observations about their bodily appearence and forcing them to go to camps isn't a good way at all to help them deal with their body dysphoria. "Well, what is the best way to deal with it?" you may ask. Well, how do we help others with mental illnesses? Depressed people take anti-depressants and have support groups to help them, so why can't transgender people have their needs met in a similar way? The Data suggests that transitioning is a way better option than any alternatives, so why must we try everything besides it? Why should we not give them treatment? Because it feels weird? Because they look funny? Because you personally don't like it? I'm sorry if I wasn't clear before, but the data says that the transgender suicide rate drops to 3% when they have parental support. Why don't we do that? Why should we subject them to the arbitrary feelings of out general society on how people should be? Basically I'm going to do the Ben Shapiro meme and say: why should we put feelings over facts, and if you do have factual studies, which ACTUALLY support your claims, why don't you tell me about them? If the way you want us to deal with trans issues is truly the best way, why cant I ever find any evidence supporting it? So far you have not disproved anything, but rather you have been giving logical fallicies that have no evidence to back them up. Im asking you to state the facts of your argument, and if you cannot do that, then you have failed to make one in the first place.

essentialism is superior. because it relies on taking your best side, and being useful. a human being needs to serve the collective the best its able to. It doesnt matter how that is, only that it increases the power of the overall society. free will doesnt exist and human beings are weak and frail creatures like any creature that is damaged by those around them. you use what you have, and the more this is rejected the more you decay into the void. without a positive role you are damaged beyond repair. negation is anti life.

There is 2 genders period

@uncanalmenor

4 жыл бұрын

There's three genders: male and female

What a liar

I do not see any heroism there: being sick does not make you a hero! Hero is about doing something for others, right! What do they do for others? So shut your nonsense up!

@adudzik

4 жыл бұрын

...you are talking to a video. The people in your screen can't hear you.

Slavoy trying hard to look like the new trend setting philosopher but ending up looking more out of date than Socrates. Lose the beard, diet and dye your hair you could be Hollywood material yet :)

Having listened to the entire clip, I think I know why this gentleman has a slight speech impediment. Admittedly, I have never examined this man but If you listen closely; when he pronounces both his vowels and all of his consonants you might also pick up on what I am suggesting here. First, I must say, it is not a function of his accent (I am an american - so his accent is heavy from my perspective) nor is it a function of what appears to be a deviated septum of a sort (the extent of any deviation I leave to an ENT Doctor). In fact it is a result of what is likely years and in all likelihood a lifetime, of being completely full of shit.

@rchrdhzl

4 жыл бұрын

@@osamuikeda3953 I hear it is even hot to Gen X-ers. Mostly because the term was 'made-up' in 1991. Try Harder, try hard.

@OjoRojo40

4 жыл бұрын

Dude you are so based, how do you do it.

So basically he is saying that transgenderism is a sort of deterministlm that contradicts gender theory (that gender is a social construct, performative, not essential nor eternal)?

@nosta5457

4 жыл бұрын

Yes right. Thats how I understood it. I had similar thoughts like this before but I never articulated it that well.

@mayman4255

4 жыл бұрын

Does gender theory state that gender is completely social? Because biology can definitely affect society and culture,but Culture evolves incredibly quickly compared to biology.

@nosta5457

4 жыл бұрын

@@mayman4255 some people say that gender is only a social construct which is complete bullshit. Yes Culture evolves quicker than biology but the question is what determines the cultural changes? I personally think all societal standards have their root in biology because we didnt create them by rolling a dice. Society can enforce and change some standards but the why does a picture like the man who never shows emotion exist? Because men had to take the role of the strong caretaker and fighter and showing emotion was a weakness. Today its not that extreme but its still this way. Nobody sat there and said lets make this a Standard or that. There is a biological rooted reason for the cultural development. Or do you have some reasons not to believe that?

@flowerpot3986

4 жыл бұрын

@@nosta5457 I disagree. Science is not unbiased, and many of us hold a "common sense" idea of how biology works that is based on our early childhood education and is now outdated. There are decades and decades of medical science justifying the idea that Black people are biologically different than white people, and "naturally" behave certain ways and we now know of course that that science was WHACK and racist. Black culture exists for social and political reasons, but melanin does not determine your character. Why does me having a pussy determine my character?

@nosta5457

4 жыл бұрын

@@flowerpot3986 I never said that the skin color or sth else determines the character. I spoke about big societal standards like the gender roles. Ofc nobody meets all the stereotypes and we are all individual in some way but these roles didnt fall out of heaven. Like I said in most if not all cases there are logical reasons behind the cultural development. And we can learn very much from our evolutionary biology.