i swear just looking at these comments, people are still using the verses that have been addressed and totally ignoring the answers

@ichiman23

3 жыл бұрын

Right? i totally agree, it's like they just came here just to say "no, the Bible is wrong" or "you're wrong" and all of that stuff. We need to watch before we comment guys. Keyboard warriors these days.

@seacoast4950

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!!! They obviously didn’t listen to the video.

@bigmanjoe3603

3 жыл бұрын

It doesnt fit their agenda. Most people like them ignore the explenations so that they can keep their agenda strong

@nathanmckenzie904

3 жыл бұрын

Is someone deleting comments?

@humblejaymer

3 жыл бұрын

@Justin Gary justin! That was very well written 👏🏽 God bless!

More preacher’s should adopt alternating between preaching and teaching the good word ❤️

@soldierofchrist7343

Жыл бұрын

Preachers should teach period. Telling people the Gospel is very important, but if people don't actually understand or don't learn context then they're mostly going to just ignore it. This is a big problem with the modern church were to busy telling about the gospel without teaching the context or what it is and what it means. We are bringing people to Christ and then not actually giving them tools to defend their faith. This is why we need apologetic so bad right now. The early church used it when they encountered the secular world, we should use it as well.

@davegink9222

Жыл бұрын

That’s why I go to a Bible Church. The sermons are a Bible study and then explained how it applies today.

@The_Other_Ghost

Жыл бұрын

@@davegink9222 Ask your teacher what Lev 25:44-46 says about treating your non-Israelite slaves.

@cyrilc189

8 ай бұрын

@@soldierofchrist7343 How does context make slavery moral?

@AtamMardes

2 ай бұрын

Jesus & authors of the Bible didn't know slavery is immoral & suggested how to buy, sell & beat the slaves. No Bible verse explicitly says slavery is immoral & call for its abolishment. Modern Western laws are NOT based on Biblical values, otherwise slavery would still be a moral practice. Secular thinking ended slavery after about 1800 years of Biblical values failure to do so.

It would have had been nice to have a verse that says "I hate slavery"

@1godonlyone119

3 жыл бұрын

The verses where God frees the Hebrews from the Egyptian slave-holders amply cover that.

@konsintrate5491

3 жыл бұрын

I would say Exodus makes it quite clear.

@1godonlyone119

3 жыл бұрын

@@konsintrate5491 Exactly.

@1godonlyone119

3 жыл бұрын

@HardikG121 Exodus covers that: "Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession." Exodus twenty-one sixteen.

@1godonlyone119

3 жыл бұрын

@HardikG121 You're a moron and a very bad liar. God is 100% against slavery, and he makes it clear in Exodus when he frees the slaves.

I absolutely love this video. I couldn't find the answer to the question I had about Exodus 21:20-21, but you explained all of it so well. And it's so refreshing to find a believer that isn't afraid to tackle contentious issues or verses. So many preachers gloss over the harder scriptures. If the body is going to be a well-oiled machine, it must be willing to swim down to the abysmal parts of the hypothetical water, to find the treasures hidden within the more challenging verses. The treasure of a correct interpretation is what the world needs. A lot of non-believers don't believe in the Bible simply because they don't understand the historical and cultural context. If we put things in perspective for them it could be a game changer for a lot of people who are seeking. Thank you again, this was an excellent video.

@GuessWhoAsks

Жыл бұрын

I am confused, as you seem to have gotten useful information out of this video and agree with at least some parts of it....Now with your new knowledge of biblical slavery....could you tell me if you think the actions explained in Exodus 21:20-12 are morally acceptable?

@toughbiblepassages9082

Жыл бұрын

I personally think Pastor Mike interpreted the Exodus 21:1-6 incorrectly. When the man leaves, the Bible says the children belong to the master (not to the biological father) and the the females slaves were not allowed to leave like the males did (per verse 7). Mike doesn’t confront these verses, but I do. The plain meaning of the text is taken seriously in my interpretation of episode 5 on my channel, check it out for another perspective

@toughbiblepassages9082

Жыл бұрын

@@GuessWhoAsks not only are they morally acceptable, they are morally superior to current laws of western nations today. The same rod a father used for discipline on his son, is the same rod used to discipline a slave.. the heart of the issue is using the rod NOT to inflict injury (for which they would go free) but to teach discipline.. which is more humane than modern practices used in prison systems today.

@GuessWhoAsks

Жыл бұрын

@@toughbiblepassages9082 "not only are they morally acceptable, they are morally superior to current laws of western nations today. "....I do not want there to be a misunderstanding, as we may be using the same term but mean two different things. Morality to me is defined as: the extent to which an action is right or wrong, and the standard to which I can compare the result of any action in order to judge its morality is human well-being or prosperity. Can you define "morality" if different from mine and provide the standard you use....if you use one?

@evanbiter2138

Жыл бұрын

“If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property. - Exodus 21:20-21 “If a man strikes the eye of his male or female slave, and destroys it, he shall let him go free on account of his eye. And if he knocks out a tooth of his male or female slave, he shall let him go free on account of his tooth. - Exodus 21:26-27 (These go together.) The idea that someone can correct someone with a rod, causing permanent damage without losing their slave and freeing them of their debt/duty isn't being presented as an option here. Let alone repeatedly. The idea of punishment regarding the rod and taking of a life is that now there must be a punishment towards the master. This is meant as a protection for slaves.

@12:43 Hey Mike, does beating a slave with a rod to the point that they unable to work for a day or two constitute abuse? (Exodus 21:20-21)

@a.i.l1074

Жыл бұрын

Read the previous two verses. They say that if you injured me, you would have to pay me compensation for lost earnings. If I was your slave, and you were paying me in room and board...how could you pay me for that? The verses following it (26-27) also say a slave should be set free if they have been injured. I still find this immoral, and don't the Bible is inerrant

@hunterhall1575

4 ай бұрын

I also noticed he VERY conveniently ignores leviticus and ONLY talks about the Hebrew bondservant system. "Biblical slavery wasnt race based." Yes it was. Anyone who wasn't Hebrew was free game. Anyone who was the wrong race could be enslaved.

@hunterhall1575

4 ай бұрын

​@@a.i.l1074Only of you were a Hebrew. If you were any other race/ethnicity you would be a slave for life and anything could be done to you. Are yall all in orange of the Bible or just extremely dishonest.

@HoldToChrist

3 ай бұрын

@@hunterhall1575 20:45

@ElijahFass

2 ай бұрын

@@hunterhall1575 is there some verses you can cite for that?

It even tells you how to beat your slaves... *"20 When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money. (ESV)"*

@bikesrcool_1958

4 ай бұрын

Oh please, you are acting like this is the moral law God gave instead of the civil legal law for the nation.

@mugikuyu9403

3 ай бұрын

@@bikesrcool_1958If God commands it does he condone it? Can God tell someone to do x when God actually hates x and would rather they do y?

@Man_Who_Found_Peace

2 ай бұрын

Here's your answer, he actually covers it in this very video, how funny. Exodus 21:26-27 essentially states if you injure your slave, they will go free.

@matthewswart1845

Күн бұрын

yes, but like pastor mike said, you can run away from your master at any moment

People are saying that God gave instructions on the proper treatment of slaves ... The only proper treatment of slaves is their emancipation

@tonyturek4596

3 жыл бұрын

@@nedson6503 Already done that ... Why does the creator need to speak in riddles ?

@tonyturek4596

3 жыл бұрын

@@nedson6503 what am lying about ?

@nedson6503

3 жыл бұрын

You aren't lying, people are saying that. My bad.

@nedson6503

3 жыл бұрын

The Guys who wrote the Bible signed it. It's unrealistic to blame a fictional entity.

@tonyturek4596

3 жыл бұрын

@@nedson6503 Actually the NT gospels are unsigned

This is probably the best presentation on this topic I've seen thus far.

@dallasburns677

Жыл бұрын

The best presentation of special pleading

@KevinSmile

Жыл бұрын

@@dallasburns677 Ironically you're doing the very thing you're accusing him of doing. 🤣

@The_Other_Ghost

Жыл бұрын

Gotta love how he assumed all slaves were Israelites so they were never treated "ruthlessly", even when Lev 25:44-46 says there were non Israelite slaves too

@mugikuyu9403

3 ай бұрын

If this is the best presentation on the subject by a Christian then Christianity is in a worse intellectual position than I thought. He projected a shtload of stuff into the text which wasn’t there.

@Doctor_Fate5

2 ай бұрын

​@@The_Other_Ghostit's voluntary

Thank you for this teaching. I once emphasized these same points to an atheist, but absolutely would not hear it. I realized his objection was more emotional than logical.

@conradical41

3 жыл бұрын

20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.”....don’t need any emotion for that.

@mitcho04

3 жыл бұрын

Simple logic: Slavery = bad; allowing slavery = bad, bible teachings can be bad.

@choosen1130

3 жыл бұрын

@@conradical41 you can put your emotions into it as long as you ignore the other parts of the scriptures

@conradical41

2 жыл бұрын

@@asaury2031 Not annoyed at all...thank you for replying courteously. I guess what I am struggling with is the motivation for the punishment as you articulated. Seems to me that the punishment to a slaveowner is the inherent loss of labor from the slave as opposed to causing harm to the slave. Meaning that within this passage, consideration for the well-being is not considered. Feel free to point out the flaws in this interpretation.

@ndjarnag

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, so you agree with Leviticus? WTF

Funny story, every time I read the Bible including the verses about so called slavery, I do NOT feel like being a slave owner

@kristopherwilhite2679

3 жыл бұрын

Mma Prophet why believe and support the Bible since you are blocking its content from your mind? Slavery is NOT a "funny story" as you foolishly referred to it.

@unbiasedcobra6672

3 жыл бұрын

Well if it doesn't make you want a slave then it has nothing to do with any of its other nonsense claims. If you can just dismiss one part then I will dismiss the whole thing.

@thebitterartist

3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes god support slavery, but as long as I ignore that it’s fine!

@LlibertarianGalt

3 жыл бұрын

@@kristopherwilhite2679 You so foolishing tried to misrepresent MMA Prophets argument but failed quite spectacularly. Slavery is a part of every nations history.

@billtomson5791

3 жыл бұрын

"So-called slavery"? Please clarify.

As a black person in 2024 THANK YOU for this understanding sir 🙏🏾

Actually, indentured servants were only other Israelites Foreign nations could be held as property for life, and passed on to progeny. Please stop with the ducking and dodging.

@mandi3366

2 жыл бұрын

Pastor mike is not ducking or dodging anything. He’s telling the truth, the Bible doesn’t support slavery. In exodus 21:16, it says - “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.’ Jesus loves you 🤍

@somiokeke3752

2 жыл бұрын

@@mandi3366 stealing is not the only method of aquiring slaves, there are lots of other method and the bible only adress those being stolen

@jacksonraidal9917

2 жыл бұрын

@@mandi3366 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life - Leviticus 25

@KiraNikk0s

2 жыл бұрын

'Enslaving anyone is bad' 'But the Israelites only kept each other in indentured servitude' 'I'm not talking about the Israelites' 'BUT THE ISRAELITES WERE ONLY INDENTURED SERVANTS' Do you guys even hear what you're saying?? Religion is a hell of a drug.

@aviyahchaverim9388

2 жыл бұрын

@@somiokeke3752 Problem is, MOST transatlantic slaves WERE stolen, kidnapped for their land and forced into slavery against their own will. Even God does not go against anyone's free will to choose. Wrong is wrong, period!

Why is this missing from your 1 Peter playlist? I had to stop in the middle of the playlist to come search for it. This was really awesome and profound. It peeled back a new layer of understanding God’s love for every one of us. As usual, great job Pastor Winger. Much respect.

@clarkent61

Жыл бұрын

But if you buy the slave kidnapped by someone else, everything is alright. The argument this presenter makes is a dishonest way to humanities biblical slavery.

@clarkent61

Жыл бұрын

Why is the punishment for rape specified but the punishment for bearing a slave not specified?

@clarkent61

Жыл бұрын

Why can’t the Bible just say, thou shalt not enslave anyone? Why all these ridiculous caveats used to justify the mistreatment of others? Giving the history of slavery in Egypt, ISREAL should be as far from slavery as the east is from the west.

@jerrylong6238

Жыл бұрын

@@clarkent61 Because god is an asshole.

@dominicochoa9925

Жыл бұрын

@@clarkent61 earlier in the video he established that the penalty for having a kidnapped slave is also death. Did you forget that?

This is so helpful. I'm reading Exodus for the first time, but I've learned that every time I encounter something that raises my defenses and doubts in the Bible, I can always search Mike Wingers talks to find a rational, thoughtful discussion that eases my doubts. Super grateful for this content.

@Bugsy0333

10 ай бұрын

Eases your doubts but are you being told the truth ?

@michaelevans1690

10 ай бұрын

@@Bugsy0333 feel free to make an argument. What lie did this video contain?

@chrissonofpear1384

10 ай бұрын

@@michaelevans1690 Leviticus 25 requires, very, in depth, reading, I think. Plus, also, Exodus 21:2-4!

@oldcountryboy

10 ай бұрын

It is helpful maybe because he doesn't talk about the bad slavery I believe it is in numbers Where God commands commands kill all the women all the children all the men and keep the young Virgin girls for yourself as your slave That is a direct order from God To take slaves Now can you imagine these girls Watching their families their Mother's their pregnant Mother's They are a little even infant Brothers being slaughtered and then They have to be checked to see if they are a Virgin or not So they get molested And have to go live with these horrible men that called themselves Christians I would suggest watching the atheist experience These guys on these channels they glass over and cherry pick the Bible And it looks like they erase Atheist comments Because they don't want you reading the truth So I am going to go ahead and erase this when I'm done but I think you will still get it

@name-ni3jc

9 ай бұрын

ikr

Mike, can you help me by providing some of the references for your historical research. In particular you described slavery in OT verses our modern understanding. I’d love to read more about this area.

Hey Mike I just wanted to let you know in case you didn't. I've recently found your videos on KZread and I love what you do it has inspired me to be more active in my faith of Christ and I was scrolling though videos after looking up yours and I've seen people taking clips of your videos and deliberately leaving out context. In a way that it seems like you are condoning topics like slavery and that you are using the Bible to prove it. They are completely misrepresenting the Bible and you and I thought I'd let you know but it's probably not new to you.

@HughJaxident67

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, the irony...Your buddy Mike here is being intellectually dishonest and disingenuous with his apologetic in this video - perhaps spend a few minutes reading the numerous posts on this thread that explain precisely why.

@newjerseylion4804

3 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠ If you watch the video. He is using the excuse of biblical slavery wasn’t slavery but bonded servitude. But when you make bonded servitude and extended to life and then subsequently make it heritable it replicates American colonial slavery. Second he assumes that laws for Hebrews and non Hebrews was applied the same. However Leviticus 25:44-46 differentiates Hebrew slaves from non Hebrew slaves so his assumption on equal treatment is incorrect. Exodus 21:16 Punishing kidnapping of slaves with death was to prevent loss of property (the slave) by the slave master not to protect the slave. Exodus 21:20-21 The slave master is only punished if the slaves dies within a day or two of slave’s beating. If slaves past two days died after beating then slave master is not punished. Also that rule was to stop slave masters from limiting inheritance to thier children. Exodus 21:26-27 The slave was let go due to a broken eye or tooth because the slaves were damaged goods at that point and were useless to the slave master. That rule saved slave masters money from maintaining recovery of the slave or be held liable for his death if he died within a day or two. Deutronomy: in case of the runaway slave. The runaway slave was running from being property from non Hebrew master. This rule let Israelites acquire allies from the already marginalized groups from the neighboring nations. Runaway slaves from non Hebrew masters had the best treatment. Runaway slaves from Hebrew master got their foots chopped of to prevent them from running away again.

This is tapdancing. Leviticus 25 is clear. The god of the Bible is immoral.

@manfredconnor3194

Күн бұрын

Bingo!

This guy smiling while touting the good parts of owning other people remind me of this Hitchens quote: “In the ordinary moral universe, the good will do the best they can, the worst will do the worst they can, but if you want to make good people do wicked things, you’ll need religion.” - Christopher Hitchens

@thatguy2521

8 күн бұрын

Not at all what he was doing

@cygnusustus

8 күн бұрын

That's originally a Steven Weinberg quote.

@neonnnn110

3 күн бұрын

You can’t say anything about morality without religion so

@cygnusustus

3 күн бұрын

@@neonnnn110 I suppose an ignorant person can't say anything about religion, but intelligent person can.

@cygnusustus

3 күн бұрын

@@neonnnn110 That wasn't even a response to my comment, child!

Hi Mike, I have your notes from this talk and see at the end you put 'NOTE TO SELF: if I teach this again I need to reference prisoners of war as slaves / servants. Be ready to explain how these laws applied to them and what moral implications are involved.' Is there any chance there will be a follow that addresses that question? Thank you for producing quality content.

@HughJaxident67

2 жыл бұрын

'Quality content?' You mean an intellectually dishonest apologetic

@HughJaxident67

2 жыл бұрын

@Thomas B *calling someone names doesn't disprove what they're* Ignoring your atrocious English here, when did I call anyone 'names?' *you got any evidence disproving him?* Disproving what? He made no claim in his statement above!!!

@michaelrodriguez7889

2 жыл бұрын

You literally called him an “intellectually dishonest apologetic.” That is literally calling someone names. My guess is you did not bother watching the video. He made dozens of claims, point by point, within the first 5 minutes… so… any evidence disproving any of those claims? Just curious.

@HughJaxident67

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelrodriguez7889 *You literally called him an “intellectually dishonest apologetic.”* That's NOT name calling, he is an apologist and he's being intellectually dishonest which is a statement of FACT that I qualified. How about you make an effort to understand what 'name calling' actually is eh? *My guess is you did not bother watching the video* And you'd be wrong. *He made dozens of claims, point by point, within the first 5 minutes* And all of them baseless nonsense. *so… any evidence disproving any of those claims? Just curious* Have you heard of the philosophical burden of proof? Just curious..... PS When you've figured what the above means please feel free to come back to me with the missing objective evidence ;)

@datboi42

Жыл бұрын

@@HughJaxident67 how is he wrong?

Have several questions but the first real quick is when he was referring to the verse in Leviticus the first time and talking about how the slave owner would have the slaves as an inheritance for his children. How could that be if they were only under a 7yr. Contract ? It sounds more permanent than that. 2nd- I know it’s just the movies but I remember seeing in one of the Moses movies where he tells the Pharo to let his people go. Those slaves looked like they were being treated horribly, beaten and lashed etc. what was that all about? 3. About the slave that ran away. The pastor didn’t fully explain that but only assumed he’d run away due to abuse. What if he just got tired of working off his debt or whatever reason he was there and decided to skip out? I don’t understand. Sure wish I was at the service. Lol. Can anyone help me out please?

@mcjesuslover

4 жыл бұрын

Prissy Lovejoy Hey I’m not sure if you are still on KZread but I understand your question and have a couple of answers. For the first one, the situation was a single man comes into indentured service either to pay off a debt or to get a payment of some sort from a wealthy man for say 7 years. If that man sees a fellow servant of the wealthy man and gets married to her, she and the kids can’t leave since she would have more time still left on her contract of say 7 years. This is not keeping the children forever but rather keeping them for the remainder of the parents contract. Unfortunately a lot of people throughout history misused this statement to steal the kids of their servants for the future which made the parents want to stay.

@mcjesuslover

4 жыл бұрын

Prissy Lovejoy The second question, if they were actually beat up and lashed which is the insinuation of the passage for the reason to bring them out of Egypt, that was not biblical slavery. The same way that slavery as we know it in the United States is not Biblical. They were a different nation and not under the law of the Jewish people.

@mcjesuslover

4 жыл бұрын

Prissy Lovejoy For the last question, if people were abused, you could possibly see the permanent damage that was forced upon the slave. Also in the case of a slave or servant that was just lazy, being lazy is unbiblical as well and so therefore God would not condone laziness in his people and to incentivize laziness. The Bible repeatedly says to work hard. Collisions 3:23, 1 Timothy 5:8, are just a couple that come to mind. I hope this helps anyone that has the same questions as you and that y’all are having a great day. :)

@hughjanus2781

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcjesuslover Servitude only applies to Israelites

@jamesking8241

3 жыл бұрын

@@mcjesuslover not necessarily. There's a difference between being lazy and being tired weary. Which comes from too much demand and repetition and not enough reflection which can lead to burnout. Emotional, mental and physical toil under stress... and the Bible never tells people to "work hard" in the sense that it is used today... the Bible tells you to be diligent. Which is different than work hard. And usually when people work hard today they are actually doing stupid abusive things to themselves and that is not with diligence is... there is a difference between working hard and working stupid.. very few know the difference between the two meanings.. Are English word diligence -which is usually translated as hard-working. Actually comes from the Latin and means " to value highly".

Good explanation. Would be great to hear about the differences in Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy

@lemonkng3188

Жыл бұрын

Did you watch this video? The laws regarding servants and slaves in Exodus would apply to Leviticus. Such as the passage about striking a servant and losing his eye or his tooth would result in setting them free. Obviously this is not specifically meaning eyes and teeth but abuse in general. Or am I completely misunderstanding your post?

@jacobdiden8967

10 ай бұрын

you better start reading/

I so appreciate this as I’m dealing with a loved one that does not believe in God and had pointed out slavery in the Bible and your explanation and detailed information was very thorough and so I share this video with that loved one and with others thank you and God bless

@tipsyrobot6923

Жыл бұрын

It's gross. So disgusting, but look the other way, right?

@GuessWhoAsks

Жыл бұрын

Cathy, you should be ashamed for trying to trick anyone into following an immoral book...Can you try to use reason and explain why the words written in the book explain that you can not consider a Hebrew as a slave, but you can purchase slaves as long as they are foreigners...???

@IrregularGuyYT

Жыл бұрын

@@GuessWhoAsks There's obviously benefits to being one of God's chosen people. Besides, based on the rules, regulations, and attitudes towards one another that are found in the law, slavery in Israel was practically just being a servant: they got all the holidays and days of rest as everyone else, they were to be set free if ill treated, they couldn't be forcibly taken back if they ran away, and kidnapping and murder was punishable by death. Plus, the teachings of the Bible is what lead to William Wilberforce and others to advocate for and eventually bring about the abolition of slavery in the British Isles and the United States - the slave owners who tried to use the Bible to advocate in favor of slavery had to cut out very large portions of it in order to make it say what they wanted it to.

@GuessWhoAsks

Жыл бұрын

@@IrregularGuyYT "Besides, based on the rules, regulations, and attitudes towards one another that are found in the law, slavery in Israel was practically just being a servant:" Can you define "chattel slavery" ,and "debt slavery", then compare the differences? Do you consider "chattel" as "just being a servant"? " they got all the holidays and days of rest as everyone else, they were to be set free if ill treated, " Can you clarify what ill-treatment inflicted on them would set them free? "they couldn't be forcibly taken back if they ran away"... "kidnapping and murder was punishable by death."...I appreciate kidnapping(man stealing) was not allowed because stealing was not allowed. Was purchasing a man allowed when stealing a man was not allowed?

@IrregularGuyYT

Жыл бұрын

@@GuessWhoAsks Mike explains all of this in the video. Also, do you disagree with God's view on this? If so, why do you have the Old Testament in audio form as a saved playlist if you don't agree with the principles it teaches?

The definition of slavery is owning someone as property and having property rights. Exodus states you can pass on your slaves as your property to your children. God condemns the eating of shellfish or wearing clothes made of 2 cloths but cant condemn slavery ???!!! Really????

In my country Ghana, the Catholic Church was formed at the top of the slave castle while slaves were in the dungeons downward. The Catholic Church allowed the Portuguese to take territories in my country and sell slaves overseas.

@ruthanndelaney5305

4 жыл бұрын

There are lots of examples of people not following the will of God.

@JR-nh7fc

4 жыл бұрын

@@ruthanndelaney5305 I'm glad people are not following the bible, otherwise we could buy children as slaves and make them our property for life.

@JR-nh7fc

4 жыл бұрын

Angry Bird, and I'm sorry for what the Portuguese did to your country and many others. I'm Portuguese and I'm ashamed of that horrible part of the history of my country

@essennagerry

3 жыл бұрын

That's insane... yet another example of catholic doings being anything but Christian 🤦‍♀️

@hughjanus2781

3 жыл бұрын

@@essennagerry As if Christian is any better

Mike, update on ROOTS, the director admitted that the film is a mythology for his people, and is not historically accurate. Doesn't diminish slavery, but it's important that the film is hyperbolic.

@JB-yb4wn

Жыл бұрын

He said that the characters were fictional, you moron, the slavery was very real and very accurate. It was based on those ever so fine morally christian people's description of the trade. Including a visual on how these guys were packed into the boat like sardines.

@erichodge567

Жыл бұрын

Can you point me to where the director of Roots says that it was unhistorical? It was certainly fictional, but as Pastor Mike says, slaves in the South were very definitely beaten, whipped, and raped, among other atrocities, as well as simply forced to submit their wills completely to that of another. I'm not really seeing your point here.

@lougarcia8420

11 ай бұрын

@@erichodge567 Most of Roots is fiction, as is this entire video.

@burlapsack1418

5 ай бұрын

Thomas Sowell goes into this issue extensively and quotes the the authour of 'Roots' Alex Haley, when he was pressed on the historical accuracy, "I tried to give my people a myth to live by" @@erichodge567

@eznosnopes5276

3 ай бұрын

Well the story isn't a single real person's story. I don't think anyone ever claimed the protagonist is a single real person but the incidents like those did happen to people. If anything, Roots does not show how badly slaves were treated.

Leviticus 25:45-46 English Standard Version (ESV) 45 You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly. You are talking about the rules for Hebrew Slaves. What about non-Hebrew slaves? This seems a little different than “7 years”. Any help understanding would be appreciated.

@HervShmerv

3 жыл бұрын

Short answer: Mike is lying and really the bible supports slavery. LEAVE CHRISTIANITY

@Mike00513

3 жыл бұрын

@Tyler Cunningham, The people mentioned in this passage are the Toshab (Sojourners) and also the Ger (aliens). The Ger and the Toshab are people who come from from another land who want to find refuge in Israel for one reason or another. Presumably for political reasons, economic reasons, and religious reasons such as if they embraced Yahweh, or perhaps they ran away from, or were exiled from their nation. Well I understand the people in this passage sold themselves into slavery and were not kidnapped against their will nor was it commanded for them to stay for life. Instead it was a permission. You seem to think the property in this verse means that a person doesn’t have any rights, the owner can do with them as they please, the owner can hold them against their will, and the owner can abuse them. But as we just saw the passage is about the Toshab and the Ger. The sojourner and the foreigner. But if you back up a bit God is talking about the same people Toshab who’s living as the Ger the passage says: “When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.” - Leviticus 19:33-34. Huh interesting just a few passages before the passage you cited, we’ve read that the Israelites were commanded to not mistreat them, to love them as they love themselves, and also to remember that they too were foreigners. And you ended at verse 46, but when we pick up at verse 47 it says how not only can these servants become rich, but they could also own other servants. So let me get this straight the foreigners were not supposed to be oppressed, not to be mistreated, the Israelites were cursed if they withheld justice from the foreigners, a foreigner had the potential to become rich, that could also have slaves themselves, and the Israelites were commanded to love them. And not just love them, love them as themselves. If you read more than just that verse then it becomes clear that the word property couldn’t possibly mean what you believe it to mean.

@tylercunningham8234

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mike00513 so not only are you conflating foreigners with slaves and using mental gymnastics to make it say what you want; you are being extremely condescending in the process. Funny I only posted Gods words to make my point.

@Mike00513

3 жыл бұрын

@Tyler Cunningham, How am I being condescending?? Give me three reasons to believe I was being arrogant. Also I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings I didn’t know you would be offended from nothing. Also no you are not posting what God said your simply cherry picking verses and taking them out of context to prove your faulty point.

@tylercunningham8234

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mike00513 so to you “Foreigners”, “Servants” & “Slaves” are interchangeable? Also how is it ok to pass someone down to their child “as a possession for ever”? Also even if they sold themselves into said slavery God gives guidelines into how to beat them properly. Let’s be honest Leviticus is just a hard pill to swallow.

9:49 What if we are not talking about Hebrew slave girls, but survivors of a war? What happened to them?

@theconservativechristian7308

2 жыл бұрын

The same Jewish laws still applied. They would have been married to someone and they were protected by God if the man. “Did not find favor” with her and she was granted all the rights and protections as though she was still his wife.

@J.Hudson1516

3 ай бұрын

​@@theconservativechristian7308you should read Leviticus 25:44-46

Here because every black history month this topic stsrts to pick up steam..Mike please do a refresher on this.. PLEASE

"Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession." Exodus21:16

@piijay14

3 жыл бұрын

That verse alone separates it from 19th century slavery!

@truman5838

3 жыл бұрын

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) Here, a father can sell his own daughter as a sex slave, for life! If she doesn’t “please” the man who bought her, her father has the option to buy her back, but not the obligation. The girl’s new owner can “arrange” for her to marry his sons, giving her no choice in the matter and thus forcing her to become a sex slave. Or he can marry her, while taking other wives, forcing her to become part of his harem. If he fails to have sex with her (i.e., if he doesn't rape her repeatedly), she can become free. Can anyone believe this is the "wisdom of God"? And yet many Christians claim that every word of the Bible is the "inerrant" and "infallible" word of God! Only slaves who were Hebrew men were to be freed after six years, so the slavery commanded in the Bible was both racist and sexist. Virgin girls were given to "men of God" as the spoils of war, and thus as sex slaves: So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan. The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. (Judges 21:10-24) If everyone is killed except the virgin girls, and the virgin girls are forced to become “wives” to the men who wiped out their families, that is a form of sex slavery. As we will see below, the "wives" were not really wives, but could be put out on the street if the "men of God" grew tired of them: They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men ... Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho. Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded ... Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves. (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT) If everyone is killed except the virgin girls, and the men who did the killing can keep the virgin girls “for themselves,” it seems more than obvious what will happen to the girls, who will serve the conquering warriors as sex slaves. The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the commandment of Moses to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children. According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, Moses had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." According to Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse." According to Rabbi Meir, "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse." As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) Women and children are “spoils of war” to be “enjoyed” by the victorious warriors. If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) Girls who have been raped become the sex slaves of their rapists, once the rapists pay cold cash to the girls’ fathers. A rich man could acquire a harem of sex slaves, by raping them, then paying cash to their fathers. Such was the wisdom of God and Moses, according to the writers of the Bible. When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion. (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB) After warriors have killed a girls’ family, they can rape the girls, and if they grow tired of the girls, they can kick them out with no further obligation. They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB) Victorious “men of God” can take a damsel or two, with the girls being spoils of war, equated with pieces of cloth. Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB) According to the writers of the Bible, God himself metes out rape as a form of punishment. However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46) God and Moses were racists, proscribing slavery for Gentile women and children, but not for Hebrews, who were to be favored by luck of birth. Slaves, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the unjust and cruel. (1 Peter 2:18) Slaves, be obedient to your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; with good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. (Ephesians 6:5-8) Let as many slaves as are under the yoke count their masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. (1 Timothy 6:1) Exhort slaves to be obedient to their masters, and to please them well in all things; not talking back; not purloining, but being obedient; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things. (Titus 2:9-10) Both the Old Testament and the New Testament repeatedly and explicitly command and/or condone the evil institution of slavery.

@1godonlyone119

3 жыл бұрын

@@truman5838 That's not what the verses say, you liar.

@truman5838

3 жыл бұрын

@@1godonlyone119 I Quoted directly from the Bible you liar. Why don't be more specific? Explain yourself articulating your argument like a civil human being. Pick one verse and we'll have a debate.

@1godonlyone119

3 жыл бұрын

@@truman5838 No, you didn't quote directly from the Bible, you posted text that doesn't appear in the Bible. You are a very bad liar. I don't debate animals, but thanks anyway. Bye!

If a system existed today where people who had a lot of debt (student loans, car payments, mortgage, etc..) could volunteer to work for someone for 7 years to have their debts forgiven, people would be lining up everyday. This is the biblical form of slavery mentioned in the Bible. All other forms were sinful and never supported by scripture. Our favorite athletes, actors and musicians who are under contract to offer there servants would be considered slaves in bible terms. People need to realize the Lord never promoted, approved nor sanctioned racism, kidnapping nor the forceful degrading slavery that many Africans and other minorities experiences. Also if you read slave narratives, it was the Lord Jesus Christ, the gospel and many bible passages that kept many slaves pressing forward and not giving up on life. They realize they were made in the image of God according to scripture and not animals like atheists, evolutionist and those sinful fake “Christians” said they were. The true Christians were those biblical-inspired abolitionist who fought for the freedom of the slaves. Don’t believe the lie that the Bible promoted the enslaving of Africans. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ forever!!!

@grantm6514

3 жыл бұрын

You are flat-out wrong. The bible lays out completely different rules for Hebrew slaves (the 7 year working off debt thing) and 'other' slaves. The bible clearly states that it is acceptable to buy slaves who are not Hebrews, to own them as property and to pass them on to your children. The African slave trade fitted in perfectly with what the bible expressly describes and allows.

@korbendallas5318

3 жыл бұрын

Leviticus 25:44-46

@cyrilc189

2 жыл бұрын

@@grantm6514 To add to that, the bible also lays out a loophole on how you can trick your Hebrew slave to become your slave for life. Exodus 21:5-6 "5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: 6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever."

@clarkent61

Жыл бұрын

@LM: Would you mind your sister being given out to another without her consent? Would you mind her and her children bring the property of another? If your answer is No, why do you accept this same fate which you reject for others? Are you not a bloody hypocrite and religious charlatan?

@clarkent61

Жыл бұрын

@LM: The gospel of Jesus Christ did not free the slave but helped them endure their humiliation and debasement?😳😳😳🤣🤣🤣🤣 Do you realize how idiotic your argument is? Do you realize that you insult Jesus Christ who NEVER condoned slavery or oppression of one against the other in the first place?

So... if I regulate the ownership of slaves... as long as I still think owning slaves is bad I'm good?

@travislee1012

5 жыл бұрын

Did you even watch any of this video?

@travislee1012

5 жыл бұрын

@Sam Paget the point was made. You obviously just comment on videos without watching them

@justchilling704

5 жыл бұрын

@@travislee1012 Typical of these scoffing types.

@dwhite8005

5 жыл бұрын

@Sam Paget Dude, you weren't paying any attention. 42 minutes of Biblical servitude and how it differs from modern slavery and you still dont understand. You really have a grudge against God man.

@dwhite8005

4 жыл бұрын

@Sam Paget Slavery was never biblical, did you watch any of the video at all? You're not smarter than God so how can you have an issue on how He had the Jews handle that issue back then?

Leviticus 26:44-46. It specifically calls slaves property.

@duckymomo7935

6 жыл бұрын

Jim Brewer Leviticus 26:44-46 Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not spurn them, neither will I abhor them so as to destroy them utterly and break my covenant with them, for I am the Lord their God. But I will for their sake remember the covenant with their forefathers, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.” These are the statutes and rules and laws that the Lord made between himself and the people of Israel through Moses on Mount Sinai. There's no mention of slavery??

@christianity7160

6 жыл бұрын

No it doesn’t. LYet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them or abhor them so as to destroy them completely, breaking my covenant with them. I am the Lord their God. 45 But for their sake I will remember the covenant with their ancestors whom I brought out of Egypt in the sight of the nations to be their God. I am the Lord.’ ” 46 These are the decrees, the laws and the regulations that the Lord established at Mount Sinai between himself and the Israelites through Moses.” Leviticus 26:44-46

@gemguy6812

6 жыл бұрын

if you voluntarily join the U.S military you are the property of the U.S government.

@yunusahmed2940

6 жыл бұрын

J Lam You don't know what you're talking about. Enslavers will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

@watchgoose

6 жыл бұрын

J LAM No, Jesus did NOT ask Christians to beat some slaves harder. He spoke in terms of what the Jews of the day did; that if a slave knew what he was supposed to do but refused to do it, he got many blows,but if a slave didn't know and didnt do his chores, got just a few blows. Jesus never said TO beat anyone.

Philemon vv. 15-16 is the prefigured ending of slavery. glory to the Lord

@lightningsamurai4134

4 жыл бұрын

Philemon King James Version (KJV) 1 Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer, 2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house: 3 Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 4 I thank my God, making mention of thee always in my prayers, 5 Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints; 6 That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus. 7 For we have great joy and consolation in thy love, because the bowels of the saints are refreshed by thee, brother. 8 Wherefore, though I might be much bold in Christ to enjoin thee that which is convenient, 9 Yet for love's sake I rather beseech thee, being such an one as Paul the aged, and now also a prisoner of Jesus Christ. 10 I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds: 11 Which in time past was to thee unprofitable, but now profitable to thee and to me: 12 Whom I have sent again: thou therefore receive him, that is, mine own bowels: 13 Whom I would have retained with me, that in thy stead he might have ministered unto me in the bonds of the gospel: 14 But without thy mind would I do nothing; that thy benefit should not be as it were of necessity, but willingly. 15 For perhaps he therefore departed for a season, that thou shouldest receive him for ever; 16 Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord? 17 If thou count me therefore a partner, receive him as myself. 18 If he hath wronged thee, or oweth thee ought, put that on mine account; 19 I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides. 20 Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh my bowels in the Lord. 21 Having confidence in thy obedience I wrote unto thee, knowing that thou wilt also do more than I say. 22 But withal prepare me also a lodging: for I trust that through your prayers I shall be given unto you. 23 There salute thee Epaphras, my fellowprisoner in Christ Jesus; 24 Marcus, Aristarchus, Demas, Lucas, my fellowlabourers. 25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

@hughjanus2781

3 жыл бұрын

@@lightningsamurai4134 The Bible is grossly immoral

At the end of the day, because these people don't identify themselves as enslaved people in any context, is why they have no problem justifying slavery. Its that simple.

@smallhors848

3 жыл бұрын

Except we are enslaved…God is our master, that’s literally a prevalent metaphor in the Bible.

@thisrichbastard.809

3 жыл бұрын

@@smallhors848 not really. Ever read the introduction of Pacts with The Devil? Being properly of that God…is a choice.

@smallhors848

3 жыл бұрын

@@thisrichbastard.809 dang, I guess it doesn’t explicitly compare Israel’s newfound relationship with God to being that of a master and its slaves. Oh wait, it does.

Thanks Mike for skillfully explaining the difference in indentured servitude and kidnapping slavery. Happy I found you. I’m now a new subscriber and looking forward to learning more.

Just for clarification, the context of Deuteronomy 23:16-17 seems to be pointing towards a non-hebrew foreigner who escapes from slavery in his own land to a town within Israel. Just look at the language being used.... "He shall dwell with you, in your midst, in the place which he shall choose within one of your towns, wherever it suit him." The "in your midst" language id used exclusively of foreigners. And "in one of your towns" suggests one of the towns of ISRAEL, not just another town to which he has escaped. And this makes sense in the context of other passages, because to break a contract, such as that which would be signed by a Hebrew servant for his period of service, would also be considered a sin. So a Hebrew servant who escaped and tried to ditch his contract would have to be brought back to fulfill his contract (elsewhere the Bible condemns breaking an oath or a contract).

@AR15andGOD

Жыл бұрын

no it's for all slaves.

@bryfryable

11 ай бұрын

The verses are part of the Miscellaneous Laws section, thus involving different kinds of groups of people. The freedom to leave involved all slaves not just Hebrew slaves.

@moriah1901

11 ай бұрын

@@bryfryable if Hebrew slaves had the freedom to leave whenever they wished, what is the significance of the shmita year, or the year of release? All HEBREW slaves were to be freed in their seventh year of service. Not so for foreigners. The existence of and Biblical emphasis on the shmita for Hebrews only provides further evidence that this passage is not talking about Hebrew slaves.

@bryfryable

11 ай бұрын

@@moriah1901 Because it was a contract and the Hebrews contract would expire eventually if they didn't leave their slave owner before then. Yes, the Hebrews had a different contract duration compared to that of Gentiles, yet that didn't supercede every slave's right to freedom. So technically, it didn't matter. If God really didn't care, freedom wouldn't exist in slavery, or it would only exist for the Hebrews, but the Miscellaneous Laws gave all slaves, Jews and Gentiles, the right to leave slavery due to unfair treatment.

@moriah1901

11 ай бұрын

@@bryfryable I don't think you understand how the mosaic law worked in Biblical times. A Hebrew could sell themselves into servitude for a sum of money equal in value to the value of the labor they would provide during their seven years of servitude. If they wanted to leave before that time was served, they would have to buy themselves free with a sum equal to the years left in their service. This was the system in place, as laid out in levitical law. A "go free whenever for whatever reason without paying for it" clause is contradictory and illogical. That is why in ALL ancient Jewish commentary on this passage, it is never taken to mean that a Hebrew servant owned by a Hebrew master could just run away whenever they wanted. All interpretations of this passage say that it is talking about gentiles who flee pagan owners and take shelter in Israel, or a Hebrew who is fleeing a pagan owner. Never a Hebrew fleeing a Hebrew owner. An entirely different set of laws governed such relationships, as I outlined above.

Thankyou Pastor Mike. This has clarified the issue for me.

@hughjanus2781

2 жыл бұрын

How he literally just lied the entire time

@y4zzz004

2 жыл бұрын

How did he not mention Leviticus 25:44-46. This whole video was talking about Israelite Slaves and how to treat them, not foreign slaves. With foreign slaves in the Bible it says you can keep them for life and bequeath them to your children as property. It has no rules or regulations for foreign slaves (non Israelite slaves) just Israelite slaves. So he lied a lot in the vid 😂

@y4zzz004

2 жыл бұрын

Leviticus 25:44-46 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

@hopethatisnotseen1055

2 жыл бұрын

@@y4zzz004 you obviously didn't watch this video. He reviews that exact verse.

@y4zzz004

2 жыл бұрын

@@hopethatisnotseen1055 No he doesn’t.

No human is someone PROPERTY then and now.

@AString95

4 жыл бұрын

Winston Hammond what about a person in prison? They’re stripped of their completely of their rights. Are they more or less property of the government? A person in debt, Is their work not the property of their creditor?

@skaarfaze689

3 жыл бұрын

A person in prison isn't stripped of all their rights. They still have protections againts human rights violations. Where slaves did not have any rights.

@lordtrini

3 жыл бұрын

@@AString95 no. A debtor can’t be raped at will by the person they owe. But a slave can be.

@pigzcanfly444

3 жыл бұрын

@@AString95 yeah and its the same for the people that enlist in the armed forces. You give up your rights in order for others to have their freedom. Its about self sacrifice. These folks just have no clue about the context of the times and neighboring nations that were surrounding the israelites in this time. They haven't done a single bit of study on this subject. They just quote the verses they don't like (as if that matters assuming atheism is true) and then complain about it because they enjoy being self righteous when they cannot be consistent in their own understanding of reality. Either there is no good and no evil or there is and God exists, bc he would be the only objective standard binding us in the first place. They would do well to read some C.S. Lewis and Paul Copan for once and get an education while they're at it.

@kristopherwilhite2679

3 жыл бұрын

@@pigzcanfly444 you are a moron

To bad Olympics are over, I've just saw someone win gymnastics gold medal with his mind

@goranmilic442

2 жыл бұрын

Deuteronomy 20 "10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to FORCED LABOR and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies." If slaves were hired poor voluntary servants, why would words "forced labor" be mentioned. Also, it says all people, meaning children too.

@grantgooch5834

2 жыл бұрын

​@@goranmilic442 TIL Prisoners of war = slavery

@goranmilic442

2 жыл бұрын

@@grantgooch5834 Most of Roman Empire's slaves were war prisoners. Are you saying Roman Empire had no slaves?

For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5:1

@newjerseylion4804

3 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠ If you watch the video. He is using the excuse of biblical slavery wasn’t slavery but bonded servitude. But when you make bonded servitude and extended to life and then subsequently make it heritable it replicates American colonial slavery. Second he assumes that laws for Hebrews and non Hebrews was applied the same. However Leviticus 25:44-46 differentiates Hebrew slaves from non Hebrew slaves so his assumption on equal treatment is incorrect. Exodus 21:16 Punishing kidnapping of slaves with death was to prevent loss of property (the slave) by the slave master not to protect the slave. Exodus 21:20-21 The slave master is only punished if the slaves dies within a day or two of slave’s beating. If slaves past two days died after beating then slave master is not punished. Also that rule was to stop slave masters from limiting inheritance to thier children. Exodus 21:26-27 The slave was let go due to a broken eye or tooth because the slaves were damaged goods at that point and were useless to the slave master. That rule saved slave masters money from maintaining recovery of the slave or be held liable for his death if he died within a day or two. Deutronomy: in case of the runaway slave. The runaway slave was running from being property from non Hebrew master. This rule let Israelites acquire allies from the already marginalized groups from the neighboring nations. Runaway slaves from non Hebrew masters had the best treatment. Runaway slaves from Hebrew master got their foots chopped of to prevent them from running away again.

You know what would take a higher moral ground than regulating slavery??…..outlawing it altogether

@Skitskl33

2 жыл бұрын

God hates divorce but allows its regulation in the bible as well. I guess it seems inconceivable to some that taking a regulatory stance favoring the welfare of a slave class was the appropriate action to take at the time for the ancients where welfare states didn't exist.

@oa6861

2 жыл бұрын

@Yvonne First off trading your goods for services is not slavery, second I find it interesting that you are trying to justify slavery, lastly you are missing the point. If humans are morally superior to the god that other humans serve, how can said god be used as a template for absolute goodness

@timffoster

2 жыл бұрын

@@oa6861Your definition of slavery doesn't match ancient cultures definition. That's your first challenge...

@oa6861

2 жыл бұрын

@@timffoster I never gave a definition, but your problem lay with your attempt to justify slavery through a means of cultural context.

@timffoster

2 жыл бұрын

@@oa6861 Fair enough: I'm *inferring* that your definition of slavery doesn't match ancient cultures. And once you come up with a working definition of 'slavery' that works in every culture, you'll see why all forms of slavery are actually not immoral. So let me spell it out for you: slavery is, on its most fundamental level, someone whose labor and location are controlled by someone else (ie, they don't get to quit when they want, and they don't get to leave). Guess what: not only does that definition apply to chattel slaves, but it also applies to prisoners. You want prisoners? Then you too endorse a form of slavery. (No, that's not moving the goalposts) Furthermore, in ancient times, if a criminal was punished by slavery, that very well could have been a good thing (especially if they committed a crime worthy of death, but willfully plea-bargained down to slavery. I mean .. you don't *really* think all slaves were kidnapped, do you? You really don't think some were made slaves because they were guilty of crimes??). So here are some facts for you to reflect on when thinking about ancient forms of slavery (esp in the Greco-Roman empire, where upwards of 30% of the population were slaves - some of them with very respectable positions in the homes of wealthy people, mind you): - not all slaves were kidnapped - not all slaves were cruelly treated If you want to be morally consistent on abolishing all forms of slavery, then you need to also petition your government to release all prisoners now. On the other hand, you could correct your definition of slavery, and abandon your moral ivory tower. Thanks.

So sad to see all these hateful comments full of mockery. If only they’d actually watched the video they would’ve seen where they went wrong. Don’t be discouraged Mike you are doing an amazing job, and have been unimaginabley helpful as I’m learning more about the Bible and building confidence in my faith. God bless and good luck with your research on the Passion Translation :)

@Mike00513

3 жыл бұрын

FACTS!!!!

@chrissonofpear1384

3 жыл бұрын

Which version of the Bible, though, @Adriano ? And what of omissions.

@Adrian-ri8my

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrissonofpear1384 There are no omissions or different versions. There are different translations but that is only for readability or using different synonyms for certain words. The Bible we have today is the same one that was written down originally thousands of years ago. We have tens of thousands of manuscripts from all time periods after it was written to compare and contrast, the earliest copy being within 20-30 years of the original document. The Bible is the single most reliably transmitted document in all of history! Within just 1000 years of the original Bible we have 1000 copies to compare, whereas with the average historical work we have ZERO copies to compare. The vast majority of differences are just spelling errors or differences, and even when changes are made it is in much later manuscripts and so they are easily resolved. So we see there is an accuracy of +99% and none of the differences affect any core doctrines or meaning, just little stuff like “did Jesus say to do fasting and prayer when casting out demons, or only prayer?” The second best in all of history only has a few hundred manuscripts to compare. The New Testament manuscripts piled on one another would equal 4.5 skyscrapers and has 99% accuracy , whereas the average historical work is about 4 feet high and has far less accuracy.

@chrissonofpear1384

3 жыл бұрын

@@Adrian-ri8my Pretty sure there is. Why was Satan trusted with more knowledge than Adam or Eve were, for one? Did HE have knowledge of good and evil? Or that actions of TWO people who did NOT have that knowledge, nor of wider stakes, could alter the nature of ALL yet to be born humans, beyond their volitional choice? And why did he keep any powers, post exile...

@hughjanus2781

3 жыл бұрын

This video doesn’t show anything he dances around beating around the bush and making excuses. Does the Bible endorse slavery? Yes absolutely it does. He tried to talk about divorce.. that has nothing to do with slavery. Exodus clearly says you are allowed to beat your male or female slave. As long as they don’t die it’s all good because they are your property. Do you think it’s morally ok to own another human being as property and to be able to beat them as long as you don’t kill them?

Thank you mike this helped me so much. God bless 🙏

@newjerseylion4804

3 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠ If you watch the video. He is using the excuse of biblical slavery wasn’t slavery but bonded servitude. But when you make bonded servitude and extended to life and then subsequently make it heritable it replicates American colonial slavery. Second he assumes that laws for Hebrews and non Hebrews was applied the same. However Leviticus 25:44-46 differentiates Hebrew slaves from non Hebrew slaves so his assumption on equal treatment is incorrect. Exodus 21:16 Punishing kidnapping of slaves with death was to prevent loss of property (the slave) by the slave master not to protect the slave. Exodus 21:20-21 The slave master is only punished if the slaves dies within a day or two of slave’s beating. If slaves past two days died after beating then slave master is not punished. Also that rule was to stop slave masters from limiting inheritance to thier children. Exodus 21:26-27 The slave was let go due to a broken eye or tooth because the slaves were damaged goods at that point and were useless to the slave master. That rule saved slave masters money from maintaining recovery of the slave or be held liable for his death if he died within a day or two. Deutronomy: in case of the runaway slave. The runaway slave was running from being property from non Hebrew master. This rule let Israelites acquire allies from the already marginalized groups from the neighboring nations. Runaway slaves from non Hebrew masters had the best treatment. Runaway slaves from Hebrew master got their foots chopped of to prevent them from running away again.

I’m a Christian a black Christian no amount of twisting the words is going to change a thing he supported slavery he didn’t condone slavery. He gave rules on how to keep the slaves it’s in the Bible. We just have to admit that that’s what god said

@darnit1944

3 ай бұрын

He regulates what already existed because the Israelites are too stubborn. It is not the perfect law. Did you watch the video?

Thank you for obeying the urging of the Holy Spirit to talk about this topic. You have given me so much more understand and most importantly fuel to continue my appointed calling as a Historic Character interpreter. I speak and live the narratives of many persons in the 18th century world of George Washington. I have been oddly enough in this very "PC" climate been given carte blanche to speak while in character on the subject of Christianity and how it pertains to the world of Caroline Branham and George Washington. God bless you.

@zoe0187

4 жыл бұрын

He left out volontarly verses that contradict his claim. He was deceptive. If you want to believe him, good. But the bible condone slavery. That is just a sad fact. And only lying and being deceptive can get around this fact. Look it up. Read the bible. It is in there. Slave can be beaten as long as they do not die. They are stated as property, they can be pass down as property to children. Women were sex slave for life and could not be free ever. Jesus said to slave to obey they masters, even the cruel ones to glorify his name. I didn't make this up. It is uncomfortable as a black Christian but it is the truth. Sorry. It is in black and white in the bible.

@voicevitality7197

3 жыл бұрын

@@zoe0187 The Bible does not give permission for beating a slave.

@VaughnesN

3 жыл бұрын

@@voicevitality7197 You don't need to lie. You've read the Bible. You know what it says about beating slaves both by commandment in the old testament and implicitly in the parables and admonitions of the new testament. Why lie? Why is this man in the video lying? Why are you all so quick to believe the lie?

@voicevitality7197

3 жыл бұрын

@@VaughnesN I'm not lying, I've read it and interpreted it.

@VaughnesN

3 жыл бұрын

@@voicevitality7197 Please show us all for posterity how you interpret: "Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property...An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye. And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth" to not mean God was okay with giving rules about just how much you can hit your slave.

"If a person beats his male or female slave with a stick so severely that the slave dies, his master is to be put to death; but that if the slave lives for a period of 24 hours, his master is not to be put to death; his master's money belongs to his slave." - Exodus 21:20-21

@majesticrainmaker1460

4 жыл бұрын

When u realise we are not under old covenant

@lavontescallion2375

4 жыл бұрын

@@majesticrainmaker1460 When you realize this was condoned by an all loving god who is supposed to be all good sanctioning people beating one another. 🤷🏽‍♂️

@user-xf2yr1ym4m

4 жыл бұрын

Majestic Rainmaker but God still encouraged this, so are you admitting that Old Testament God was a psychopath that all of a sudden changed in the New Testament? You can’t throw away the majority of your holy book. You can’t pick a choose which bits you want to believe.

@charles4208

4 жыл бұрын

@J \\ if you hurt them you had to pay for his treatment and make sure he’s well. We live in material world so it’s hard for us to understand, but if servant just didn’t water the plants or feed the animals the master was not oh that’s ok if they die we’ll just go pick up some food from the grocery store. No that’s not how it worked if they can’t harvest or there animals die they could starve. That’s why they allowed hitting

@charles4208

4 жыл бұрын

@J \\ feeding the animals is a bad example because they probably grazed on grass but the point is still there they needed watched over still

“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

Wasn't slavery regulated in the U.S. as well?

@theduke6174

4 жыл бұрын

People make a habit of calling America a "Christian" country. Unfortunately not every American law was based on biblical laws

@des1redlearnz185

4 жыл бұрын

@@theduke6174 Thats not what i was just told by a christian.

@makingsense1970

4 жыл бұрын

Well yes, but are you arguing that regulating it in the past makes it correct? We progressed and have outlawed it. God gave rules for doing it well!

@seeqr9

3 жыл бұрын

Slavery in the US is still regulated. It is now free range and theirs no way to buy your freedom.. something even some antebellum slaves could do.

@hughjanus2781

3 жыл бұрын

@@seeqr9 Work wasn’t the issue dummy it was earning a fair days pay to work and not be beaten. Having a 9-5 job where you earn a check is not oppression. You are still free I can get off work and go to the movies or invite a girl over I can take off work when I’m sick or take paid vacation while I’m off having fun and still getting paid. It’s not being beaten and treated like a damn dog. The obvious difference you moron.

To me it just boils down to the difference in worldviews (also heart for God of course). Believers think/know that every single person is always a slave to something simply just existing in this world. Its only a matter of to what degree. Non-believers just think otherwise, and base it on preferences between different social contracts. Also doesn't help in discussions that just the word "slave" is such an emotionally loaded term.

@azophi

Жыл бұрын

I mean I guess I’d say there’s a difference between following something and being subjugated by people and forced to do labor lol. … not like you can choose who your master is in chattel slavery lol

@kensey007

Жыл бұрын

Cool story. How much will you sell your children for?

@TRH982

Жыл бұрын

@@azophi Back then, you'd have to do hard labor anywhere regardless to survive....also in the Old Testament it is written that the slave is free to run away without punishment.

@TRH982

Жыл бұрын

@@kensey007 Why would I if I didn't have to?

@JB-yb4wn

Жыл бұрын

@@TRH982 No, it isn't written anywhere in the bible that when a slave runs away he is free. Where the fu*k does it say that?

so let me understand... Since the slavery that we had in the modern age wasn't the same as the one that was had in the biblical time, it makes that slavery (biblical time) acceptable? Based on your "Disclaimer" at 1:55.

@MikeWinger

4 жыл бұрын

No. It just makes it different and requires us to be aware of how our culture is different from that of the Old Testament.

@nkosinidhlamini6140

4 жыл бұрын

@@MikeWinger different yes... but ok? No.

@daonedaonly942

4 жыл бұрын

@@MikeWinger If God is all knowing and all loving wouldnt his "beliefs" stay the same throughout all time? Just because cultures and societal ideologies change doesnt mean that God changes right? Your not telling me that God can change his mind right? Because that would make him not all knowing? But surely there are no contradictions in the bible that show he isnt all knowing like there isnt an actual bible verse stating to not commit murder when God committed mass homicide right? Or that God didnt make his word so confusing that we need explanations (apologetics) for everything he says because it's so unclear and contradictory if you read it at surface level. Of course an all knowing God wouldnt want to confuse regular people with a book that needs to be EXPLAINED right?? Oh wait! That's exactly what he does! This all knowing God REGRETTED his decision to create people and therefore MURDERED all of them except for one family 🥰 And! He hardened the hearts of those on the earth thus essentially removing their free will!! And damning them to Hell for no reason other than God!! What an all powerful, just, and loving God 🤧 I'm so glad he exists ❤

@VaughnesN

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikeWinger Spoken by someone who has never physically been a slave. Great job talking down to an apparently brown person instead of listening. False prophet. Beware, y'all.

@lordtrini

3 жыл бұрын

@@MikeWinger Please explain this... Leviticus 25:44-46 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

It was Western countries like England and The United States that ended Slavery and then would use their Navy's to takeout Slave Ships which forced them to end slavery. Now I have been in a debate with someone on TikTok about the fact that the Bible wasn't pro slavery. This video is something I believe that man needs to hear.

Slavery = owning another human as property.

@markclark2288

4 жыл бұрын

Carlos, would rather a child die to make you "feel" right?

@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer

4 жыл бұрын

@@markclark2288 if you didnt genocide their parents, then you wouldn't have to have child slaves.

@markclark2288

4 жыл бұрын

Killing evil is acceptable

@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer

4 жыл бұрын

@@markclark2288 except there is no actual evidence of them "being evil". It was only the people committing the genocide doing the evil. "God told us they were evil" or "god is with us" is a excuse used for some of the worst atrocities on those. THAT is actually evil. Not claiming the people you slaughtered were.

@DavidSanchez-ng8pi

4 жыл бұрын

@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer without an objective standard for morality youre point is just an opinion that varies compared to others. :/

Thanks Mike, God bless you brother🌹☺️🙏🏼

someone should make a petition to retranslate 'not be punished' into 'not be punished by death' in Exodus 21:22, cause its clearly keeping many from God

@sivad1025

3 жыл бұрын

That wouldn't be a fair translation either. It should be "not monetarily punished." This section is written in paralleled form. It first says if you stop your neighbor from working, you pay them. But if you stop your slave from working, you don't pay them since you're already providing food and shelter. The next section is about real punishment. "Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth." If you hurt your slave, you have to free them. This keeps masters from further abusing their slaves if the relationship has gotten that far.

@timmiller8537

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry that’s not what is keeping many from god. The fact that the book itself is supposed to be the infallible word of god and riddled with contradictions. The fact that’s it’s claimed as history even though manny of its stories are simply not possible. Also why is your book right how do you know Thor and Oden aren’t the right gods, what about Zeus? They have old books too. You provide no legitimate proof to validate your claims, and it’s the lack of proof that’s keeping so many from “god”.

@sivad1025

2 жыл бұрын

@Yvonne Well, it depends. If the slave is a foreigner, he can't own land which would make it beneficial for him to stay with the master. If the abuse is bad enough, he would seek freedom as a legal remedy. I think we miss a lot of context by reading the Bible multiple thousands of years after it was written.

This video helped me so much thankyou

@Dave_Langer

6 ай бұрын

Helped you how? The bible condones slavery.

@sanderdeboer6034

6 ай бұрын

Thank him, that IMMORAL piece of …? WHY? If it is because he proofs he is a LIAR and not capable of seeing that his IMMORAL EVIL Christian god ALLOWS for slavery, then I guess you could thank him for that insight.

People so ready here to judge the Judge. God will judge all the injustices and disobedience of all the nations. God allowed servitude in ancient times and set up protections for them amongst his people because there was no such thing as welfare or charities. This type of servanthood sounds like a form of help for the poor. Instead judging him we should see his heart for the poor and do our part to help the needy. I wonder how many of those judging here are actively helping the poor by work or donations.

it's like regulating the workplace you could say, in a sense we are still slaves/servants we have to go to school and to make money.

@newjerseylion4804

3 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠ If you watch the video. He is using the excuse of biblical slavery wasn’t slavery but bonded servitude. But when you make bonded servitude and extended to life and then subsequently make it heritable it replicates American colonial slavery. Second he assumes that laws for Hebrews and non Hebrews was applied the same. However Leviticus 25:44-46 differentiates Hebrew slaves from non Hebrew slaves so his assumption on equal treatment is incorrect. Exodus 21:16 Punishing kidnapping of slaves with death was to prevent loss of property (the slave) by the slave master not to protect the slave. Exodus 21:20-21 The slave master is only punished if the slaves dies within a day or two of slave’s beating. If slaves past two days died after beating then slave master is not punished. Also that rule was to stop slave masters from limiting inheritance to thier children. Exodus 21:26-27 The slave was let go due to a broken eye or tooth because the slaves were damaged goods at that point and were useless to the slave master. That rule saved slave masters money from maintaining recovery of the slave or be held liable for his death if he died within a day or two. Deutronomy: in case of the runaway slave. The runaway slave was running from being property from non Hebrew master. This rule let Israelites acquire allies from the already marginalized groups from the neighboring nations. Runaway slaves from non Hebrew masters had the best treatment. Runaway slaves from Hebrew master got their foots chopped of to prevent them from running away again.

Genesis 9:24 So Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger grandson had done to him. 25 Then he said: “Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brethren.” 26 And he said: “Blessed be the Lord, The God of Shem, And may Canaan be his servant. 27 May God enlarge Japheth, And may he dwell in the tents of Shem; And may Canaan be his servant.” Genesis 10:6 The sons of Ham were Cush [Ethiopia, Sub-Saharan Africa], Mizraim [Egypt, North Africa], Put [Lybia, North Africa], and Canaan [Palestine, Lebanon, parts of western Syria, and parts of western Jordan, West Asia]. Matthew 5:23 "Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar [Matthew 15:5-9; Mark 7:11-13], and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny [Luke 18:1-8; Matthew 13:10-17]."

@memphisakan4691

Жыл бұрын

Noah is not God. He was a sinner nor did be curse black he just blessed Japheth n Shem

The best part is when he compares slavery of a young woman with Kobe Bryant getting traded. Evil, and brain dead.

Lmao “this is so different” 25:50😂

Amen. Thank you brother for allowing God to use you the way that you did in this lesson. Hallelujah!

@y4zzz004

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry but he lied/ conveniently didn’t mention that all of those rules and regulations where only for Israelite slaves. The Bible only mentions those for Israelite slaves not foreign slaves.

@y4zzz004

2 жыл бұрын

Leviticus 25:44-46 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

@LisaAnn777

Жыл бұрын

your so called god is an evil tyrant that tolerates slavery. and MANY other atrocities. but go ahead and stay in denial all you want. more and more people are seeing the evils that Christianity and Islam promote. your religions are dying slowing, but it will happen. and it will be a great day when these archaic ideologies are extinct.

@petermuneme25

Жыл бұрын

@@y4zzz004 you are still applying new world slavery to this verse when that's not the case. Slavery in the old testament was voluntary work done to pay debts. So you trying to quote mine this does nothing. Especially when the Bible condemns the kidnapping and selling of people which completely rules out new age slavery. And on top of that in the eyes of God EVERYONE is equal. Nobody is denied salvation or forgiveness based off the color of their skin or their status.

@hughjanus2781

Жыл бұрын

@@petermuneme25 False, debt servitude was for Israelites males ONLY!!

A couple of questions. In the case of the wife .. it says she isn’t re-upping her “contract”.. it says she is now property. Love to hear your take on this

@windsound2010

Жыл бұрын

May I know which verse and when it happened in the video?

@chieppachat9381

Жыл бұрын

The wife can’t leave since the master gave him that wife. The husband can leave but he’s not going to abandon his wife.

@christatum3045

Жыл бұрын

She's not "now property" she's BEEN property. That's why the master was able to give her to his servant in the first place. She needs to finish her term just like her husband did

@lfelssordnry

Жыл бұрын

No, that’s never said, she’s property for the rest of her life, and her children are too.

@NoPlaceLikePizza

Жыл бұрын

@@chieppachat9381 it’s because her 7 year contract isn’t up. So until the contract is done. She can’t leave.

Honestly it would be really cool if we still had this system today. Being a slave or servant was meant to be an honorable and humble duty

@oliviadawn9002

Жыл бұрын

I’d rather not be considered property, thanks 🤢

@Motivationalhub462

Жыл бұрын

​@@oliviadawn9002we are property for our bosses one way or the other that's y you work at their command, wake up at the time they decide, go home at the time they chose n finally get paid as they wish.

@oliviadawn9002

Жыл бұрын

@@Motivationalhub462 um, you can quit your job tho????!!

@Motivationalhub462

11 ай бұрын

@@oliviadawn9002 not when you are under a contract, you must have a proper reason or else you have to pay a fine, And they weren't property like we understand it now, that's y Incase they escaped, they were never to be returned to their former master, that's y it's important to see what words meant in the original language instead of reading them into our culture today. If something is my property u have no right to keep it Incase it ended up in your hands somehow.

@tomasrocha6139

3 ай бұрын

@@Motivationalhub462 No they weren't that's only for slaves that escaped from other nations.

This dude loves to tap dance around if slavery is good or not. Did anything you said in the video sound like slavery shouldn’t happen?

@lastofthebest5102

2 жыл бұрын

Im still looking for the verse and chapter where God outright condemns slavery.

Thank you for this, it will be very helpful addressing the juvenile arguments of the skeptic.

@goranmilic442

2 жыл бұрын

Deuteronomy 20 "10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to FORCED LABOR and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies." If slaves were hired poor voluntary servants, why would words "forced labor" be mentioned. Also, it says all people, meaning children too.

@RedefineLiving

2 жыл бұрын

@@goranmilic442 This is so the women and children would not be ravaged by the surrounding pagan nations after the men were deceased. There was no welfare program, they had to earn their keep. Now, can you please provide me a moral standard that you have not borrowed from the biblical worldview in order that you may provide context for your complaint? In other words, why is that wrong from your worldview?

@goranmilic442

2 жыл бұрын

@@RedefineLiving What deceased men? Read again, please. Deuteronomy 20:11, where forced labor is mentioned, is about cities that accepted offer of peace. No killing then, right? It says "all people", therefore men, women and children will be forced to work. It doesn't say widows, it doesn't say poor, it doesn't say debt, it says all. Couldn't families keep on living in city that surrendered or move to some other city? Were they offered such choice? No, it says they are forced to labor, which, by definition, is slavery. Moral standard is "making others to suffer is wrong". Slavery produces suffering, therefore it's wrong. I'm not sure what you mean, what exactly did I borrow from Bible?

@RedefineLiving

2 жыл бұрын

@@goranmilic442 I did not ask for your opinion on morality, I ask for a standard that you are not borrowing from the Bible. Are you suggesting that morality is simply an opinion? What would you say if somebody has another opinion that’s something you consider wrong, is good? Perhaps and Morality should be based on what makes somebody feel good regardless of how much pain it will cause somebody else. What is wrong with that? In fact, I would suggest in some incidences you will in fact judge morality by what makes somebody feel good regardless of how it makes somebody else feel bad. Please respond.

@goranmilic442

2 жыл бұрын

@@RedefineLiving First we have to make something clear. I see you have completely abandon your attempt to defend Deuteronomy 20:11. So do you want to offer some other explanation for it (since last one was completely wrong) or are you admitting Bible allows and even orders slavery in Deuteronomy 20:11 and you want to talk about moral standards? Both topics are interesting, but I want to know do you agree with me on first topic, before moving to second. But I'll give you some preview of second topic - Deuteronomy 20:11 is wrong even within God's from Bible standard, assuming God is against slavery, as video suggests. So there will be little need to explain my secular morality, although it's interesting subject which we can chat about after you declare your position on first topic.

No human being should be property of another human being!!!

@minoritygroyper8341

4 жыл бұрын

Why is it wrong ? - not saying it isn't just don't know y

@arseniocalderon8090

4 жыл бұрын

Because it's IMMORAL, that's why, don't you think?

@eeeddddddiiieee

4 жыл бұрын

Hey you have something I want. Now I don’t have any money but can I just work for you and then you can give it to me? Also I’m homeless and I don’t have a place to stay can I stay in your house and I’ll just do house chores to earn my keep?

@minoritygroyper8341

4 жыл бұрын

@@arseniocalderon8090 but why though

@frankh.5378

4 жыл бұрын

Well if you are working for a company, you are an asset to that company! Your boss owns you.

It’s very confusing when something bad happened to someone and people say it’s God will. It’s like we blamed him for everything but we also have power to choose good or evil.

@timmiller8537

2 жыл бұрын

That’s true and the inverse is also true. It’s at this point you start to realize that god does not factor into the equation at all.

@Bugsy0333

2 жыл бұрын

@@timmiller8537 Correct

@garlicgirl3149

2 жыл бұрын

Right! He gave us free will to decide.😄

@Bugsy0333

2 жыл бұрын

@@garlicgirl3149 Newton's laws of physics simply don't allow for free will to exist - once a physical system is set in motion, it follows a completely predictable path. According to fundamental physics, everything that happens in the universe is encoded in its initial conditions. ... Therefore you have no free will.

This was good because some of the versus I did not fully understand and were used to validate slavery. Now I understand 😄. Slavery was worldwide, as we read the Bible, we see how we distort almost everything.

@theconservativechristian7308

2 жыл бұрын

Precisely why antebellum slave owners kept their slaves illiterate, especially in regards to the Bible, and has to say, “Just trust me. I wouldn’t lie to you right?” That’s the same snake-like behavior of Satan in the garden.

@joshridinger3407

2 жыл бұрын

@@theconservativechristian7308 the serpent in the garden literally was the only one telling the truth and was doing the opposite of trying to keep adam and eve illiterate you mooks

@mrhyde7600

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately you did not gain an understanding of them because of this video. If you looked at these passages for yourself and have the mental capacity to graduate high school, then you would easily and rarely see that these passages were not well represented. But what struck me is how few scriptural references Mike actually made. Many talking points Were addressed without a scripture in sight. But check out where he talked about the eye for an eye passage: Mike goes to Exodus 2126, and that verse is giving an exception to eye for an eye. The true eye for an eye passage is literally two verses before that. Hi for an eye is mentioned twice in a row like this to show the contrast, when you are dealing with a fellow Hebrew then it is tit for tat, but dealing with a slave, It’s not so equal. That’s only one example of how Mike did not explain these passages or these concepts in anything that might be considered an honest fashion. I know this is an older video but I am tempted to do a complete response to it.

@mrhyde7600

2 жыл бұрын

@@theconservativechristian7308 no, that’s not it. Keep in mind that slaveowners used the Bible to justify not only slavery but the beating of slaves. Because the Bible says it’s OK to have slaves, it’s OK to buy them from the people around you, and it’s OK to beat them, and it’s OK to enslave them and their family and their children for generations. The Bible does say this. In no real world does it not say this.

@theconservativechristian7308

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrhyde7600 Sure the Bible talks about something CALLED “slavery” which some translations actually say “servant” which is not the same thing. This is an etymological fallacy because this practice was not what I suspect you think of when you hear the word “slave”.

Awesome video. A lot of good explanations.

@Fang1241

Жыл бұрын

A lot of mike lying

Thank you!

Regarding the unsaved who ignore the answers being given: ••2 Timothy 3: 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. *seducers ~ People who entice, deceive, or pressure others to accept or even join in with their deception or immoral activity. *wax worse ~ Become worse and more widespread over time. *deceiving ~ Causing others to believe something that is not true. *being deceived ~ Allowing yourself to go along with lies and deception.

@newjerseylion4804

3 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠ If you watch the video. He is using the excuse of biblical slavery wasn’t slavery but bonded servitude. But when you make bonded servitude and extended to life and then subsequently make it heritable it replicates American colonial slavery. Second he assumes that laws for Hebrews and non Hebrews was applied the same. However Leviticus 25:44-46 differentiates Hebrew slaves from non Hebrew slaves so his assumption on equal treatment is incorrect. Exodus 21:16 Punishing kidnapping of slaves with death was to prevent loss of property (the slave) by the slave master not to protect the slave. Exodus 21:20-21 The slave master is only punished if the slaves dies within a day or two of slave’s beating. If slaves past two days died after beating then slave master is not punished. Also that rule was to stop slave masters from limiting inheritance to thier children. Exodus 21:26-27 The slave was let go due to a broken eye or tooth because the slaves were damaged goods at that point and were useless to the slave master. That rule saved slave masters money from maintaining recovery of the slave or be held liable for his death if he died within a day or two. Deutronomy: in case of the runaway slave. The runaway slave was running from being property from non Hebrew master. This rule let Israelites acquire allies from the already marginalized groups from the neighboring nations. Runaway slaves from non Hebrew masters had the best treatment. Runaway slaves from Hebrew master got their foots chopped of to prevent them from running away again.

@tomasrocha6139

2 ай бұрын

2 Tim ia a forgery

What do you suggest as a good response for when Abraham slept with his slave & when the Israelites would capture a People group and keep slaves from them after conquest?

@ronaldrigid1245

Жыл бұрын

Study more about concunbines used to expand families and the privileges they got. Study more about the nature Nd rules of war.

@majm4606

Жыл бұрын

Anytime someone has to try to pretend being a concubine was a great experience for a woman, that should immediately be a big red flag that you're on the wrong side of truth and in a pretty dark place morally. Isn't it just easier to admit we don't know gods exist, and this was just the writings of ancient men who didn't want to "rock the boat" culturally? I mean does anyone legitimately think a god powerful enough to _create the entire universe_ would tiptoe around the cultural norms of ancient humans? The idea is ridiculous at face value.

@Illuminoussx

Жыл бұрын

@@ronaldrigid1245 but God is supposed to be different, better

@ronaldrigid1245

Жыл бұрын

@@majm4606 ur problem is ur ego...u will never learn anything if you filter everything through ur ego. See things objectively rather than desiring everything to appease you

@ronaldrigid1245

Жыл бұрын

@@Illuminoussx go study first

One minute in, my prediction: He will equivocate between the treatment of Hebrew and foreign slaves.

@juanducas6967

3 жыл бұрын

Exodus 12:49: One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. Deuteronomy 10:19: So you, too, must show love to foreigners, for you yourselves were once foreigners in the land of Egypt. Leviticus 19:10: Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the Lord your God. Leviticus 24:22: There shall be one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the Lord your God.’” Numbers 15:15: As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the alien who sojourns with you, a perpetual statute throughout your generations; as you are, so shall the alien be before the Lord. Numbers 15:16: There is to be one law and one ordinance for you and for the alien who sojourns with you.’” Deuteronomy 24:14: “You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your countrymen or one of your aliens who is in your land in your towns. Numbers 15:26: So all the congregation of the sons of Israel will be forgiven, with the alien who sojourns among them, for it happened to all the people through error. 👍👋

@korbendallas5318

3 жыл бұрын

​@@juanducas6967 Leviticus 25:44: Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

@juanducas6967

3 жыл бұрын

Also: Jeremiah 22:13-16 Woe unto him that buildeth his house by unrighteousness, and his chambers by wrong; that useth his neighbour's service without wages, and giveth him not for his work; That saith, I will build me a wide house and large chambers, and cutteth him out windows; and it is cieled with cedar, and painted with vermilion. Shalt thou reign, because thou closest thyself in cedar? did not thy father eat and drink, and do judgment and justice, and then it was well with him? He defended the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the LORD. Also there is literally an entire chapter in Jeremiah (chapter 34) in Wich God is very angry with Israel because of the same topic.

@juanducas6967

3 жыл бұрын

@@korbendallas5318 The foreigners couldn't be kidnapped according to the law. They were probably refugees, with no money, no food, maybe without cloth. By they becoming 'slaves' they get protection, food, a place to live and should be treated as equals. Leviticus 19:33-34 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God". As I said they have no land, no possessions. So they can't go free in the day of the jubilee, because they didn't have a place to go. But they can became rich, and even they could have hebrew servants. Leviticus 25:47-49(but it goes to 55) “If a foreigner residing among you becomes rich and any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to the foreigner or to a member of the foreigner’s clan, they retain the right of redemption after they have sold themselves. One of their relatives may redeem them: An uncle or a cousin or any blood relative in their clan may redeem them. Or if they prosper, they may redeem themselves". Remember: Leviticus 24:22: “This same standard applies both to native-born Israelites and to the foreigners living among you. I am the LORD your God.”

@korbendallas5318

3 жыл бұрын

@@juanducas6967 You are borderline delusional. They did not become "slaves" (your quotation marks), they became slaves, to be owned, beaten, raped, and inherited by your kids. Did the slaveowner become the property of the slave's kids? So in what way were they treated as equals?

There is no context in which owning another human being is moral. It does not matter how long they are a slave. Furthermore, it is not moral to "give" a woman to someone as though she was your personal property.

@bulldogsbob

7 жыл бұрын

On what grounds do you have to say it is wrong and are you aware of how wide spread slavery was? Poor people would sell themselves to be slaves for survival.

@bulldogsbob

7 жыл бұрын

frankos rooni It's no different then working today for a pay check if you sign up to be a slave. You think the beating was unjustified what if the slave attacked? From an economic stance it makes no sense to beat slaves.

@nb3500

6 жыл бұрын

Milton Platt There are plenty of contexts in which slavery is moral. Indentured servitude, criminal slavery, war prisoners, etc. Which is what slavery in the Bible is. They are considered property by default because it involves money.

@yunusahmed2940

6 жыл бұрын

Milton Platt If they are an indentured servant who is being paid to work for them it is. That's what slavery was.

@watchgoose

6 жыл бұрын

Jesus said, Servants obey your masters.

Awesome to see a pastor defend indentured servitude and the ability to beat those servants because god allows it.

22:03 "They weren't to be held against their will. Because they could easily run away and everybody had to protect them wherever they went..." If slaves could just leave any time they liked, what is the point of the Jubilee? If an indebted Hebrew could sell himself to his debtor, work for a few hours, decide he didn't enjoy it and leave, suffering no consequences, how did any debts get repaid? 21:00 "They shall be your permanent slaves" If a slave can be purchased from foreign slavers and at some point decides to run away, suffering no consequences, in what sense are they a "permanent slave"?

These guys make my head hurt with this "context" stuff. And that is not how the indentured servant stuff works with the wife. Women just weren't allowed to leave

@goranmilic442

2 жыл бұрын

Leviticus 25 39 “‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. 40 They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you... 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. Therefore, there is clear difference in Bible between voluntary servitude and slavery. Bible is immoral book, because it allows both.

@TheRegularNobody

2 жыл бұрын

@@goranmilic442 Agreed

@goranmilic442

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRegularNobody People often forget this: Deuteronomy 20 "10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to FORCED LABOR and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. 16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-as the Lord your God has commanded you." If slaves were hired poor servants, why would "forced labor" be mentioned. Also, it says all people, meaning children, will be slaves.

@stevesmith7843

2 жыл бұрын

@@goranmilic442 Sure, i don't see where it's immoral, God chose those rules for his people who worshiped him, all the rest deserved death having sinned against the Lord and having become idolatrous nations. His wrath is just, righteous, and true. Don't forget that EVERYTHING and EVERYONE in creation, BELONGS to the Lord, he made you, you ARE his to do with as he pleases, and if he should choose to lengthen or shorten your life based on his own preference that's his will and right to do so. God bless.

@Bugsy0333

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevesmith7843 Your not allowed to see where it is immoral Steve that would be questioning God and casting doubt .You gave up all of your personal moral values when you decided to honour Jesus and his Holy Book. “Don't question God, just trust Him.” ... As they say - there's nothing wrong with God's Word. The problem lies in how we sometimes hear and understand it.

Biblical slavery = Criminals or people in debt working for someone for a period of time to pay off the debt or crime. Worldly slavery = Forcing someone who has not committed a crime to work for you "against their will." ....Two totally different things. Evil people have tried to claim both are the same to discredit God and legitimize "forced Labor."

@jacobfield4848

Жыл бұрын

@Anon Ymous No, you could not force someone to work for you.

@jacobfield4848

Жыл бұрын

@Anon Ymous The government owns "prisoners" today. Sports teams own their atheletes and can buy and sell them. Neither is forced Labor of a none criminal.

@lizadowning4389

Жыл бұрын

@@jacobfield4848 BS ... In Lev 25:44, Israelites were allowed to own/acquire slaves from the pagan nations. It doesn't state "criminals" from pagan nations, just heathens/pagans. Basically, if you weren't a Jew, you could be used as a slave. And slaves were bought to labour or sexual indulgance.

@jacobfield4848

Жыл бұрын

@@lizadowning4389 It states that slaves were cirminals. The Bible also states that "kidnapping" [forced labor] is wrong.

@lizadowning4389

Жыл бұрын

@@jacobfield4848 Where in Lev does it state that slaves were criminals? Refer me to that verse. Exo 21:16 is aimed at Hebrews stealing another Hebrew man. Not pagans. Kidnap is not a word used in OT since it originates from the late 17th century: kid and nap, meaning child (kid) and snatch away (nap). Kidnap didn't even mean "forced labour" in the 17th century, as you assume. The word used in Hebrew is translated as steal.

I think a better question is this are all forms of slavery bad or are some fine. Because for a long time many forms were fine and a lot were not so what changed

Mike, missing a couple of key points: 1.) Concubines-this is when the impoverished father sells his daughter into slavery. It is either to the master or for the master’s son (or by extension to a Hebrew slave). She would not be returned to poverty, especially after (presumably) having lost her virginity. 2,) Theft-No jails, so work for repayment. Probably the beating fell under this context or for laziness 3.) POWs-instead of killing everyone who surrendered, slavery was an option. These were generational slaves. In this context were regulations for marriage to captured women. The horrors of battlefield rape were expressly forbidden. The shaved head, the month of mourning, - all that took away some of the hurried rape, and often murder, of captured women.

@Elaphe472

7 ай бұрын

The way you people justify your lack of morals is embarrasing.

I wanna believe. But saying "though shall not own slaves" would have been easy

@MarkusGhambari

Жыл бұрын

But why? There's nothing wrong with slavery in and of itself if it's consensual. We still have all sorts of consensual slavery happening today in society. There's even plenty of fetish/sexual slavery happening, all among consensual adults.

@Truth397

Жыл бұрын

@@MarkusGhambari it your god was saying not to wear fixed fabrics, but didn’t have the balls to say, no owning or slaving people?

@mugikuyu9403

3 ай бұрын

@@MarkusGhambari slavery is by definition not consensual…

@MarkusGhambari

3 ай бұрын

@@mugikuyu9403 Lmfao no it's not. You need a better dictionary.

@mugikuyu9403

3 ай бұрын

@@MarkusGhambariplease provide the dictionary you’re using that defines slavery as consensual.

I'm not sure this dude is hearing himself. No one should be allowed to own someone, regardless if they chose to give themselves into slavery for a period of time. Roots made slavery all about violence, but a lot of plantations were peaceful because after a time all the slaves were born on the plantation and it's all they knew. Does that make it right if they're not suffering beatings everyday?

@mamagirl5859

Жыл бұрын

Yea raping and murdering people can be quiet peaceful. Do you hear yourself? Are you ok? Your white guilt is showing. You want it to have been peaceful so you can feel better about it.

@darnit1944

3 ай бұрын

It is never right to own anyone. As he said, the laws written in the book of Exodus are imperfect. However it is a stepping stone towards a better law in the future.

So if America has laws about how orphans are treated in order to try to protect them Or provide means of justice within a horrible situation… that means American lawmakers wanted there to be orphans and it’s their fault there are orphans. If American lawmakers really cared about orphans, the only laws they would have is that children have to be loved and cannot be made to be orphans. This is the logic of everyone that refuses to think critically about what the Bible says on this matter. If the Bible has laws about slavery in civilizations were slavery exists that is equivalent to “justifying” slavery.

I don’t know if anyone will see this, but this video isn’t in the Peter playlist

I have to wear an ID lanyard with my photo. I have to report back Monday before 9am. I have to be a good timekeeper and adhere to written procedures. I can be disciplined, etc. Maybe it's not that different over 6000 yrs. Seriously though, there are 40 million in slavery worldwide, many abused in awful ways.

@rickb.4168

4 жыл бұрын

And God said "Hell yeah!"

@rickb.4168

4 жыл бұрын

You dont have to,o, you choose too,. No one will beat you with a rod if you don't.

@cyrilc189

2 жыл бұрын

You are free not to if so choose. No one forces you to do all those things, hence it's not the same (not even close) as from 6000 years ago.

Are you kidding me? I absolutely love how Christians pick and choose what they want to believe as literal, and what they want to believe as metaphorical. Hypocritical much?

@CCP-Lies

5 ай бұрын

Fun fact: bible verse about forgiving all debts is metaphorical

@JackSmith-kg2gr

27 күн бұрын

Didn’t even watch the video. Lol

@ronporter7830

27 күн бұрын

@@JackSmith-kg2grit doesn’t matter if I watch this video or any of the other 1 million other videos of Christians whining about persecution, the statement stands. Christians notoriously pick and chose what they want out of a book written multiple people, and then translated multiple times over the centuries, during a time in history when people thought the earth was flat.

So this God is willing to condemn all of humanity for all time for a single sin, and willing to demand that people give up all their possessions and their families to follow him, but for some reason when it comes to slavery, he needs to accommodate the customs and culture of the time?

Can you go to work at a Congolese cobalt mine as an "indentured servant" for a year and come back with your conclusion of slavery?

@thatguy2521

8 күн бұрын

This is not the same slavery as in the Bible. Did you not watch the video at all. What goes on in those mines is completely different

Why would a "servant" want to run away? Why didn't God simply say, "Thou shall not own other people?"

@goranmilic442

2 жыл бұрын

Genesis 17:13, Leviticus 25:39-46, Exodus 21:4 and Exodus 21:20-21 are all verses a man needs to see how Bible allows slavery, torture and mutilation, therefore Bible is evil.

@stephb.a1070

2 жыл бұрын

Slave owners took portions out the bible to support slavery, they couldnt use the full truth so they took a portion out because they knew it was morally wrong. You serve a master, which could be your boss but you wouldnt call it slavery, maybe your job does feel like your heavily burdened idk. But that verse is a protection against harsh masters so that servants can run away.

@stephb.a1070

2 жыл бұрын

@@goranmilic442 @Norman Handy He's only showed you portions to support slavery, thats what slave masters did as well, without giving full evidence. And if you say the bible is eveil than you say murder, stealing, lying, sexual immorality, slavery is right

@goranmilic442

2 жыл бұрын

@@stephb.a1070 No, I say Bible is evil and so are murder and stealing. If God doesn't exist, those things create equal amount of suffering, therefore are equally wrong.

@stephb.a1070

2 жыл бұрын

@@goranmilic442 what defines good or bad because if man defines it than suffering, murdering, and stealing us subjective to each person. Other peoples pain becomes pleasure for others, justifying their reasoning for it. There's a great distinction of evil and what's good and that's only because God says so. He gives us morals so that we decipher between it but with him doing that or without him at all, we have a world that doesn't care. People will suffer without God but others will rejoice in others suffering. Is that the world you want to live in, a lawless world where people don't care how they treat others and a lawless world that doesn't keep him in check. Yes suffering is bad and ik that because God put in my morals but without law coming from God than it's just another emotion which amuses others. I'm sure you've felt a strong hatred for a person and wanted them to suffer for what they've done wrong, now imagine acting on that impulse because you feel that way and there's no laws to abide by.

20:45 Leviticus 25; 44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly". Far removed from the North Atlantic Slave Trade, so that's all right then, according to Winger as he ironically flanks the truth on possessing other people against their will (not the first time he's heard that joke no doubt).

@Dare2Doubt

5 жыл бұрын

@borrowed tomb Really, so where does He explicitly say it is wrong? Why do you suppose honoring your parents and murder made it into the top 10 but not the ownership of others? Why do you suppose He would neglect to include the condemnation of such an important issue?

@Dare2Doubt

5 жыл бұрын

@borrowed tomb Just read the fu*king bible, your apologetics don't cut it and neither does god.

@The_Other_Ghost

4 жыл бұрын

Let us not forget female slaves weren't let free after 7 years.

@The_Other_Ghost

4 жыл бұрын

@borrowed tomb God thinks of everything. he's such a #feminist

@The_Other_Ghost

4 жыл бұрын

@Rebecca Singletary huh

Great Job Mike! Keep teaching!

@Bugsy0333

5 ай бұрын

Great aplogetics and lies.

@melaniegooding4933

5 ай бұрын

He's pretty good I agree

@Bugsy0333

5 ай бұрын

@@melaniegooding4933 How can he be great he does not spek the truth !

What about the children born to an indentured Hebrew slave from a wife given by the master? How many years would that child born into slavery/servitude serve before he/she could be let go?

@AR15andGOD

Жыл бұрын

The Bible goes over this

@AR15andGOD

Жыл бұрын

11:28 Bro just watch the video. What you describe literally was not allowed.

The amount of allusion to slavery in the Old Testament is truly hurtful BUT also this is why the coming of the savior is a life altering event because a new covenant was established . No hierarchy , no special group , only those who believe and encounter the Holy Spirit will be the true Princes and Princesses . Our hope is that we only live max 120 years in the current world watching the unfairness which is really nothing if you think about it - most people are out of action by the time they hit their 70's. Eternity is the real prize - Jesus points to it with his resurrection.

@makingsense1970

4 жыл бұрын

Why would you need a new covenant. God made the old one. I thought he was infallible. Why would he need a rewrite to correct old mistakes. Did he come down disguised as his son, so that he could pretend it was a different person changing the rules?

@Jackson-tx5uc

3 жыл бұрын

@@makingsense1970 Yup, this just goes to show the real roots of Christianity.

@ravegaming3142

3 жыл бұрын

@@makingsense1970the old covenant is the one he made with Abraham which was only for the Hebrews and and Israelites the old covenant it didn't have any mistakes but it was simply not for other people so that's why when Jesus New testament and the New covenant would come to invite all men and women in God's New covenant so that's why we are not bound by the old covenant so the scriptures about slavery do not apply anymore cuz that was the old covenant the New covenant talks about all men being under God when Jesus died on the cross and it as soon as you accept him as your lord

@makingsense1970

3 жыл бұрын

Rave Gaming : so initially your god only cared about a small nomadic band in the desert then switched his attention to everyone over the course of a decade or so? Was Abraham a trial run? Is this the same god?

@makingsense1970

3 жыл бұрын

It's KK : I think it’s fair to say slavery is truly hurtful. Strange your loving god condoned it. Not very insightful huh

"slaves are your property" --Exodus 21:20-21 even Jewish law is to stone people caught in adultery. It's possible that even leaders during Moses's times didn't know the real correct right moral law, so much so that you need GOD himself to tell you directly. Because of the coldness of human hearts, Moses had allowed laws God had not intended. Even Jesus explicitly declared this fact. who in the world has the right to overturn Moses' law? Moses was one of the greatest prophets. Can a mere annointed man called Jesus overturn Moses's laws? What is it about this anointed man that is so special? Moses was anointed. What is it about Jesus, the Anointed One. What did Jesus say? He himself declared He was "Lord of the Sabbath." Even the Jewish priests and everyone knew full well what Jesus was declaring himself to be. The Jewish priests yelled, "It's blasphemy for a man to call himself God. According to Jewish law, those who say blasphemy are by law to be killed" Jesus, as God Himself, came to tell the Complete whole law and demonstrate it. "What you truly, deep-down-in-your-heart would want other people do to you, do to them" Jesus was the one that abolished slavery! He came to set the captives free!

@goranmilic442

2 жыл бұрын

Moses' law was given by God, so if Jesus abolished slavery, it means Old Testament, still God's word, was imperfect and pro-slavery.

@stevesmith7843

2 жыл бұрын

@@goranmilic442 Jesus didn't abolish slavery, even though you're an atheist you RIGHTLY point out that moses law regarding slavery was LITERALLY given by God, in fact even paul tells a slave in acts to return to his master, the reality is ALL Christians are slaves to Christ, as the Holy word of God says we were BOUGHT WITH A PRICE, and how much GREATER that price than mere silver and gold, if you think slavery is wrong, you would have to believe Christ sinned when he bought and paid for you..... there's nothing wrong with Godly slavery as per the laws which God handed down, unfortunately many Christians still believe they know better than God, so they make up biblically UNSUBSTANTIATED excuses as to why God allowed slavery, and had rules around it, they do the same with other laws regarding men having multiple wives, and captive women being given a time period of mourning before having to marry one of their captors, and they also make other excuses for things they don't like, such as men women and children being put to the sword etc. they haven't realised they're committing the same sin that started all of this in the first place, thinking somehow mere MEN know better than the creator of the entire universe, and they would make the mistake of thinking that their morality, is ABOVE his. I pray those Christians put the Lord in his rightful place, ABOVE all others, especially themselves, for HIS WAYS are NOT our ways, the Lord is not a man that he should lie, and i don't make apologies for the Lord thy God, he needs NO apologies made for him, for he's never sinned.

@goranmilic442

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevesmith7843 I have two things to say about your comment. Firstly, you're honest about what Bible says any you don't make excuses. Secondly, you believe in cruel, arbitrary , torturing God and you also don't understand difference between morality as not harming others and false morality as obeying God. According to you, slavery, child rape, genocide, torture can all be moral things in case God orders it.

@stevesmith7843

2 жыл бұрын

@@goranmilic442 well i appreciate your honest reply, the problem is you have the wrong mindset, as a human who knows next to NOTHING about the truth of reality, you claim to know better than God who created it all. Firstly, without Gods moral standards, any standards you claim to be moral are simply arbitrary, and a matter of opinion, that's a fact, because any argument you make can be countered and they're both merely matters of opinion with no legitimate authority capable of arbitrating that matter. For example, you believe murder is wrong, but a head hunter from PNG would beg to differ, his culture believes it's perfectly ok to murder and eat people, you do not, but they're both just opinions and neither of you have a leg to stand on regarding the other persons. The whole reason we have a set morality is because God has made it known several ways what IS and what ISN'T moral, without Gods standard, there is no governing standard that isn't completely arbitrary, because they all lack any authority to transcend mere opinion. Now when it comes to things God did that you would consider "immoral", you need to be aware that God has his reasons for doing anything which he does, as he said "i will take mercy on those whom i will", and since he's ALL KNOWING and knows things we can't even begin to perceive about both reality, and people etc, his judgements are always 100% correct, period. They might not make sense to you, but since you only see 1% of visible light in one of MANY different dimensions, and haven't even come remotely close to figuring ALL of that out, what knowledge of anything do you truly have in comparison to the one who CREATED all of it? Mans problem from the beginning is thinking he knew better than God, unfortunately it's a lack of humility in man, aka PRIDE that causes such a ludicrous suggestion to seem fathomable to man, and it's the same sin that the devil fell prey to, which started this entire ball rolling. Lets also make something else CLEAR, God MADE YOU, and EVERYTHING ELSE, it ALL belongs to him, if he chooses for whatever purpose he has, for someone to die, they will only die on this plane of existence, unless they're going to face eternal damnation, it's HIS LIFE to take, it doesn't BELONG to you, no matter how much you may think contrary, you were MADE BY HIM, FOR HIM, and whatever purposes he may have for you, we should be eternally grateful, that God is a loving, kind merciful God when it comes to us, because the TRUTH, is we have ALL sinned against him and BROKEN his laws, and because he is HOLY, something we don't measure up to even slightly, his JUST punishment for ALL MEN is DEATH, and not just physical death, ETERNAL DAMNATION OF THE SOUL. However, because he's so kind and merciful, he gives us chance, after chance, after chance, patiently waiting for us to come back to him, even going as far as sending his own begotten son whom he is ONE with, to VOLUNTARILY be tortured in the most vile fashion and take the punishment for the ENTIRE WORLDS sin, that all who come to him and repent, may be forgiven, that they may have eternal life... Now this is NOT extended to angels, other beings who God created, they're damned for eternity with NO HOPE of mercy, but God loves MAN SO MUCH he was willing to do that for us. The truth is ANY and ALL suffering here in this tiny pocket of reality, is TEMPORARY, and one day, according to God, any harmful effect of it will be taken away, for there will be no more tears, and SIN will be spoken of no more.... but make no mistake, THIS is the only time you get to decide, are you WITH God, or AGAINST HIM? The Lord is not one to be mocked, he WILL meet out JUSTICE on all whom oppose him, for HE ALONE (Father, Son, Holy spirit) is God ETERNAL. I hope this has helped clarify things and put them in a meaningful relevant perspective, God bless.

@goranmilic442

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevesmith7843 The victim is the authority capable of arbitrating some action as moral or immoral. If there is a woman, and one guy said woman should be raped, other says no, that woman is the arbiter. She doesn't want to be raped, so she will judge one guy as immoral, other as moral. And her wish is an objective fact to those guys and any 3rd party (by objective I mean nobody can subjectively change her wish and subjectively reason something else), so only possible moral action is respecting victim's wish of not being harmed. People have different opinions about everything, that doesn't mean all are equally wrong. Head hunter's culture tells him Earth is flat, that doesn't mean it's true. Can you explain to me, without giving arbitrary reasons, if God created universe, WHY CREATION OF UNIVERSE GIVES TO GOD MORAL AUTHORITY? Also, did God have reasons for his moral laws? If no, then his moral laws are completely arbitrary. If yes, then those reasons are valid even if there is no God. Also, consider this. There are many religions on Earth, many candidates for God. Only one or none can be true. Muslims claim God can forgive sins when ever he wants. Christians claim God can forgive sins only if his son (Jesus) pays the price. So when you reject Muslim God and accept Christian God, THAT'S YOUR OWN ARBITRARY OPINION. You can't test your opinion to see if it's true. If you're correct and humans can't decide for themselves what is moral and just, THEN HOW DO CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS DECIDE CAN GOD FORGIVE SINS WITH OR WITHOUT SACRIFICE? After all, your Christian God, as you said, has no mercy nor kindness nor love for the angels. So his supposed love and mercy and kindness is, according to you, completely arbitrary. Also, if Jesus was punished for our sins, why didn't he received our punishment, which is eternity in hell, not just one week of torture?

Leviticus 25:44-46 as for your male and female slaves which you may have. They are to come from other nations, from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy slaves from the foreigners who temporarily reside in your nation. You may bequeath your slaves to your children as inherited property forever. However you're not to treat your fellow Israelites harshly.

@josephdiaz2182

23 күн бұрын

yeah?

@thatguy2521

8 күн бұрын

This verse is taken out of context with the context of the other verses provided in the video this still could not be the same slavery we saw in recent history. For example we cannot kidnap or sell people if we do this we are to be killed that’s one law prohibiting and kidnapping or selling of people. This single verse makes it impossible for someone to be forced into slavery against their will.

I thank God for this helpful video.

@cygnusustus

2 ай бұрын

Why? Have you been running short on lies?

God is clearly against slavery: "Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession." Exodus twenty-one sixteen.

@AndyRhodes1

3 жыл бұрын

@1GodOnlyOne How do you explain the many other verses in the Old and New testaments that endorse slavery as a normal and acceptable practice?

“There is a difference between regulating something and approving of something”....horrifying.

@soliannerubattino

3 жыл бұрын

why? isn’t it true?

@conradical41

3 жыл бұрын

@@soliannerubattino it is true. What is horrifying is the obvious insinuation: “the Bible doesn’t approve of slavery, it merely “regulates it””

@thebirdaplierphd.memeology3411

3 жыл бұрын

@@conradical41 I don't see how this is horrifying. I mean, as long as you're treating your "slaves" right, and y'know not using them to do things that are, well, sinful, it's somewhat alright. Although the Bible does talk about how you should obey the law of the land unless it stops us from glorifying God, then you can only disobey that specific law, and since slavery is banned in most nations, y'know, you can't have slaves.

@conradical41

3 жыл бұрын

@@thebirdaplierphd.memeology3411 so would you please be my slave as outlined using the regulations set forth by the Bible?

@levongevorgyan6789

3 жыл бұрын

It’s horrifying because instead of outright forbidding it completely like we flawed humans so often do, it accepts and permits it, as long as it’s done to foreigners

Deuteronomy 20:10-18 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

@AndyRhodes1

3 жыл бұрын

That verse, among so many others, clearly demonstrates how brutal and inhumane the God of the Bible often is.

@themusicman669

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyRhodes1 What moral basis do you have to say that anything is “brutal” or “inhumane”? All morality is subjective under your worldview, so if you say something is brutal and inhumane, I could, under subjective morality, just simply say that it isn’t.

@gustavusadolphus4344

Ай бұрын

​@@themusicman669tired argument. You can Grant moral objectivity to prove that God doesn't hold up to His own standards.

Thank you Mike!