Same controller, same airport, another pilot: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mKWO26iyprLPmLA.html

Another retired Controller here. The Controller should point out his error, provide assistance to correct, and then shut his mouth. There is no place for admonishment over the R/T.

@kristencarlbon4561

19 күн бұрын

Yeah, I really do not believe that air controller was being mean far from it he was trying to tell this guy where he needs to go doesn’t sound like the pilot knew what the hell he was doing . the controllers job is to make sure there is not an error it doesn’t sound like this pilot knew what he was doing .

@CharlesCornettFL

19 күн бұрын

I 100% agree, though I won't be as gentle. Also retired ATC here. This controller was going extract his pound of flash at all costs. He has zero discipline on keying his mike, constantly stepping on the pilot. Jerks like this breed pilots who avoid towers at all costs. I bet he used to be a policeman that was fired for over-zealousness and zero deescalation skills. I was waiting for "Cause I told to you!'.

@TWA727

19 күн бұрын

I totally disagree with you. Did you not see the same video I did? That guy was all over the place, and he couldn't even follow instructions on the ground either. I don't blame the controller one bit here. Let me tell you guys something, that pilot from what I can tell, is a foreign student at Flight Safety. He is probably part of their foreign pilot exchange program. The school takes contracts from airlines in the Middle East, and Asia, and this guy was more than likely one of them. These students all have 1 thing in common, their lack of command of the English language. It is a huge problem, and it's obvious to me that the language barrier was the problem here, NOT the controller.

@briansmyla8696

19 күн бұрын

@@CharlesCornettFL I'm not a pilot, but I have logged some hours as dual instruction. I can confidently say that I would have had a phone number after landing, and I would have had a one to one personal conversation eye to eye with this controller and his sup, along with the tape. If that didn't get the controller dismissed, I would have escalated to Washington FAA, and pursued it until the controller either expressed contrition, or was permanently barred from employment in any US government designated safety sensitive position.

@CharlesCornettFL

18 күн бұрын

@@briansmyla8696 while I like finding others that see my point, I disagree with the sentiment. You are advocating "cancelling" this guy, but he likely has no idea of how he was contributing to confusion and danger. I'm a big fan of *everyone" setting aside emotions, and talking later to cover the nuances. I think the controller had no idea of the basic misunderstanding. The pilot thought he was to fly a full pattern, but report on left base (IMHO). They could have made both pilot and controller contributors to safety, but instead, likely the opposite is true. CRM is what they need for sure.

The ATC lost his composure almost instantly. He made a struggling pilot even more nervous and less effective. His clear anger and frustration did nothing to help the situation. He needs more training on controlling his demeanor on frequency.

@alexmiller7721

22 күн бұрын

It also sounded to me like he was keying up his mic too fast, so the pilot wouldn't hear everything he was being told.

@mordanlike

22 күн бұрын

I'm not sure he needs to be there at all. I can understand frustration but it was clear the pilot was getting flustered and shouting doesn't help anyone at that point.

@rq5647

21 күн бұрын

Just ask, did the controller decrease or increase the risk associated with this aircraft?

@TyVil

10 күн бұрын

This pilot is dangerous and too stupid to be operating an airplane. There's no excuse for missing that many commands.

The pilot doesn't know what he's doing and can't obey instructions, but the controller is unprofessional. Yelling at the confused pilot will just make things worse and put unnecessary stress on him which can lead to even more confusion.

@jsmith1746

20 күн бұрын

Agreed. Yes, the pilot had issues. The controller made it FAR worse than it needed to be by his extremely unprofessional attitude.

@pauldavies4870

20 күн бұрын

100% agree. That poor pilot, talk about piling on the stress. The Controller needs to experience how it feels when you're not sure, and how to help.

@briansmyla8696

19 күн бұрын

Controller is driving a desk. No threat of injury or worse if things go south. Pilot, not so much. Controller should have been shown the door after this, and barred from holding any safety sensitive position going forward.

@TyVil

10 күн бұрын

It's a pilots jobs to obey ATC. Period.

@briansmyla8696

10 күн бұрын

@@TyVil Unless an emergency is declared, or the pilot tells the controller 'unable' to comply.

This is the kind of person that when they realize someone is struggling they will try to badger them. I've run across a lot of these people in my life. Also know as a jerk. Also it is fun to see bullies like this get roasted on the internet. Hope this guy sees all these great comments!

Thats a bad attitude the controller has. I understand his frustration, but that rebuking is unprofessional.

@user-xf3eh6ej6m

22 күн бұрын

Bad attitude? The pilot was a complete moron. He could have easily put other people in danger. Controllers should be able to stop an aircraft anywhere on the field and have them towed in and parked until the pilot can prove that they are no longer a danger to others before they are aloud to continue flying. Who the hell gave this guy a pilots license?

@davidwebb4904

22 күн бұрын

@@user-xf3eh6ej6m And how exactly is yelling at him going to do anyone any good?

@jswyman-ll3dr

22 күн бұрын

@@davidwebb4904 too many sensitive people around these days....

@rainman1242

22 күн бұрын

no following any instruction is non professional, heck not even amateurish

@rainman1242

22 күн бұрын

@@davidwebb4904 regular tone is not working, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different result is insanity, he is trying something else

It's a really good idea to rattle a confused pilot while he's still in the air.

@19Borneo67

6 күн бұрын

I mean like - really.

This airport is NOTORIOUS for their controllers, the pilot was clearly behind their aircraft, the comms contributed to the escalating situation what a shit show.

@herobo123456

21 күн бұрын

Ya and the pilot was really well prepared too, but ya ATC didn't help

Former controller here, that controller was way too harsh. I was never that rude to a single engined plane like that, most have few hours and are not that familiar with everything. I'm not making excuses for them, I was just more patient with them then say an airline pilot or a fighter jet.

@AviationJeremy

22 күн бұрын

Except, this pilot was messing up on basic instructions. “Left base for runway 13 is one of the simplest instructions possible, but he was insistent on making a pattern entry on the downwind, as if it were an uncontrolled field. For taxi instructions at an unfamiliar airport, be prepared and bring an airport diagram (one reason why I prefer flying with a G1000 suite is that if you zoom in on the map, you can see the taxiways) and write down the instructions.

@flyfishizationjones4940

21 күн бұрын

I agree with the former controller. I remember being a student pilot and I spent hours on hours just flying in the pattern at an uncontrolled field. I had very limited time at towered fields, so these type of instructions (entering a segment of the pattern, not 45 to downwind) were somewhat foreign. This kid was basically on final for 13. He could have just said “cleared straight-in 13” and avoided some confusion. The taxiing, on the other hand, was a complete soup sandwich. No justifying that. 😂

@dsdsdsdsdsds3139

21 күн бұрын

@@flyfishizationjones4940 i know - assuming the moving map was correct i was not even sure how he could make a left base without heading east like he did. straight in was more appropriate.

@PecekMichal

21 күн бұрын

@@AviationJeremy You are 100% correct. But as a controller you have 2 choices. You can start yelling at the person at the first opportunity and potentially push the poor guy into a fatal mistake, or have a little patience with him give him vectors and progressive taxi instructions. The second approach is not only safer but also takes less time on the radio. The controller could have a nice chat with the pilot later on on the phone or over the coffee instead of belittling him on the radio .

@Kenmore320

21 күн бұрын

@@dsdsdsdsdsds3139 he was already on a left base, so enter left base was the correct instruction. private pilots are sometimes over drilled on patterns which causes issues like this. this goes away with IFR and COM

Controller is impatient in a line of work that requires patience and ability to set aside one's pride for the greater good of those in the air.

@nightflight1454

21 күн бұрын

That's not how it works .You have to do what the controller tells you to do ,and if you don't it can end in disaster .You make a mistake, they will correct you.lf you don't listen and you keep just doing whatever ,they can give you a possible pilot deviation ,and I'm surprised they didn't do it to this guy

@warsurplus

21 күн бұрын

@@nightflight1454 I'm not disagreeing with you, however, this controller's demeanor isn't contributing to a successful outcome given the competence or lack of in this particular pilot.

@nightflight1454

21 күн бұрын

@warsurplus yeah ,he's an a-hole for sure. Government employees get that way sometimes. We just all have to put up with it .

@briansmyla8696

19 күн бұрын

@@nightflight1454 No. If you have an in flight emergency that affects your ability to safely pilot the aircraft, then you can declare that emergency, and the controller needs to listen to what you need, and make it happen. An in flight emergency includes a full bladder. Pilot could have declared emergency, and the controller would have been his bitch. That should have been done in this case.

@nightflight1454

18 күн бұрын

@@briansmyla8696 lol

The pilot should have plenty of paper and ink to write phone numbers for pilot deviation.

That controller was unprofessional. This pilot was clearly confused and needed progressive.

@halledwardb

22 күн бұрын

In the air? Yes this pilot was confused the day he was born.

@robertr3470

21 күн бұрын

There is no progressive at 2200’

@irishcurse65

21 күн бұрын

No he wasn't. You have a pilot who called in to land for 13. They give him clearance for left base 13. He reads back 23. It got worse from there. He doesn't have charts? That's irresponsible.

@pilotrt

21 күн бұрын

@irishcurse65 You are partly correct. The controller was just making things worse. The pilot clearly was having difficulty, whatever that mechanism was. Things were getting worse, and the controller played a direct role in it. You do not argue or admonish a crew member while in flight unless absolute nesseccary as the current small problem just escalates. That's it folks, I'm not enjoying pinning the blame here. It's not who's right, it's about whats right. Yes, that pilot needs training or better planning abilities.

Did anyone notice how the rattled and lost pilot managed to keep his cool and remain polite rsther than mouthing back? A bit more flight practice and this will be one of the better pilots out there.

@danpolk

20 күн бұрын

He did a great job, to be honest. Good communication, worked with the controller, did his best, managed the airplane. I hope he goes commercial, and I hope the controller is fired.

I always was under the impression that controllers need a thick skin and be professional at all times. I guess I was wrong.

@decadent5341

22 күн бұрын

just like american police

@mordanlike

22 күн бұрын

That's the wrong takeaway. You heard one controller being an arse. There are others and they tend to perform better. Someone might pick up on this and retrain this controller.

@cheeseburger3072

22 күн бұрын

I hope someone does have a talk with the controller about keeping his cool and being professional; berating someone the way he did could exacerbate a bad situation. On the other hand the pilot sounds as if he needs to undergo more training.

@sgtjonzo

22 күн бұрын

​@@cheeseburger3072exactly, wait until he's on the ground and take it off frequency

@TheFlyingZulu

21 күн бұрын

@@MuffinCHeeler​I hope you never have to teach a 16 to 18 year old high school student how to FLY an airplane. Heh. Some pick it up fast, others do not... A small amount of patience goes a long way to helping low time and single engine pilots like this... When I see things happen like this in the ATC world to me it speaks volumes of the culture of that facility. Probably a lot of disgruntled controllers due to pay, bad management or other issues.

Controller has an anger management problem

Flew there a bunch, that controller isn’t hard to piss off.

Retraining for the controller needed without delay. What a prick.

Berating a confused person always helps to get them straightened out. (Sarcasm)

@DrummerJacob

9 күн бұрын

As if speaking to him calm and clear had any effect..... Dumbass. Watch again and notice how many clear commands were given and misunderstood before any annoyance can be noticed. Thats completely unacceptable. If you literally cant understand numbers or letters, you need to just turn the aircraft off and step out. Let the janitor or Leslie Nielson from the movie Airplane! come by and move the plane for you.

Wow. This controller sucks. He told the pilot to enter a base when he was basically on an extended final. How to get to a base when you're on an extended centerline is very ambiguous. Then he got this obviously inexperienced pilot flustered and he screwed up the taxi.

@Ptro1

21 күн бұрын

My same thinking. He was flying east to enter the base for 13. Should of been a straight in

@johnmcgoldrick1426

5 күн бұрын

Perfect post. I was thinking hard on how to join left base. I would have probably gone east to turn right onto left base which is kinda what the pilot was doing. Controller should do something else for a living

Controller sounds like from another era. Era where yelling and humiliation were the only known tools.

that was rough...Obviously a new pilot that was struggling...we've all been there, help goes a lot farther and safer than chastising...

"Why did you do that?" is the most pointless question ever.

@il400

22 күн бұрын

how?

@spikesmw

21 күн бұрын

​@il400 the mistake was already made. Give him a new instruction to fix the situation for him. Asking him repeatedly to explain himself is something better served with a phone call. The exchange tied up valuable air time for someone who might have needed it.

@HapyLLIuTeJIb

21 күн бұрын

@@il400 What answer would you expect?

@il400

21 күн бұрын

@@HapyLLIuTeJIb um.... The reason why he chose to turn that far east? It's pretty normal to ask people why they did things, it's scary how many people up voted this, I mean I don't want to be mean, but I wonder if ya'll were in a special class or something

@HapyLLIuTeJIb

21 күн бұрын

@@il400 I once had been asked by my boss why did I make a small mistake after he gave me like 50 different things to do. He insisted quite aggressively and didn't let go, and I had absolutely nothing to answer him. I have no idea why any answer I could provide would make any difference. That is how I know these kind of interactions are counterproductive and pointless, and I NEVER do this to my people. Apparently you have never had such a d!¢|

Controller made it worse by yelling at the guy. Hopefully, someone in the FAA will be talking to him to get him recalibrated.

@VaporheadATC

22 күн бұрын

Oh, but the pilot gets a pass?

@jimkirkendall2483

22 күн бұрын

I can see both sides if it. I've been that inexperienced kid, but the controller has to remember that this kid needs special handling.

@sgtjonzo

22 күн бұрын

​@@VaporheadATC who said that?

@lfhagege

22 күн бұрын

@@VaporheadATCSafety is #1 priority. If the controller is aggravated by a pilot’s mistake, he should help him land safely and then discuss it further, over the phone preferably. Yelling over the radio is unsafe and unacceptable (it can actually cause an inexperienced pilot to become confused and lose control of the aircraft); Unless there is an imminent danger, such as a mid air collision, where I could see a justification for a controller yelling “turn left immediately ” or “turn right immediately”

@edadan

22 күн бұрын

@@lfhagege Exactly. I got disoriented once when I was a student pilot and was about to fly over Dobbins AFB. I thought I was approaching PDK. The controller at PDK was very professional and gave me a heading to fly until I got my bearings. I was already stressed out and was very grateful that she handled it so well. She also called Dobbins to let them know what was going on.

I flew into here as a solo pilot on 2004 or 2005 and I'm glad the controller was much nicer then.

Yelling like that can really rattle an already rattled pilot. Controller does not have the disposition for atc work. He should go sell insurance or something.......

@sean2015

19 күн бұрын

_Controller does not have the disposition for atc work._ The controller may be loud, but unlike the student, at least he knows what he's doing. Competence is more important than likability.

as a student pilot, the only thing that controller did was make this poor pilots comms even worse. The anxiety and embarrasement alone would make it impossible to take any instructions.

He made an innocent mistake and he explained himself. The controller was way too harsh. Pilots just makes them more nervous and scared to ask questions and causes increased danger.

A competent, professional controller would have given the pilot progressive taxi instructions, after it was obvious the pilot was incapable of doing anything else, for the safety of everyone at the airfield. If Page Field has that bad of a reputation, then everyone there should be fired for lack of professionalism.

I believe this same pilot caused a bunch of issues at teterboro.

@sean2015

20 күн бұрын

The same pilot? You're kidding.

@doc_pyro_av8r105

18 күн бұрын

no that guy was old, this guy is young

Most unprofessional controller ever

I guess the pilot's idea was to get into the pattern in a 45 degrees left downwind to 13 who knows why since the instruction given by the ATC was clear but that is not an excuse for a bad temper.

@secondrule

22 күн бұрын

Please explain how he should have done a "left base" to final coming from the northeast? Seriously, i am wondering. Why not have him do a straight in?

@sonoftherepublic9792

21 күн бұрын

@@secondruleWondering the same thing. Since the controller stated he was already effectively flying left base over the river, why not just say that and clear him straight in? Clearly the pilot hadn’t faced a non-standard pattern entry before and couldn’t develop a mental picture of what to do. This wasn’t as much on the student pilot, but on his instructor - and certainly on the ridiculously aggressive and rude controller - who should have recognized immediately what the situation was and focus on being helpful. Could have been an awesome teaching moment instead of an intimidating beat down.

@Artie_Fufkin

19 күн бұрын

​@@sonoftherepublic9792 Right? The pilot tried to communicate that he was going to downwind leg. So he got a little confused about how to enter the landing pattern. Did the ATC have to be an asshole about it? Also, doesn't yelling and making people unnecessarily on edge just reduce the safety level for everyone?

The controller was immediately extremely rude and unprofessional, and made the situation in the cockpit worse. HOWEVER the pilot completely disregarded ATC instructions, both in the air and on the ground. If he is a student solo, as someone asserted, he needs more ground and dual instruction before he solos again.

@sysop073

21 күн бұрын

"HOWEVER" -- nope, don't care. That controller was nuts from the beginning

@AviationJeremy

21 күн бұрын

@@sysop073 he was completely normal until the pilot unexpectedly turned left in violation of his instructions.

This was a student pilot on his solo

@fonfsx

22 күн бұрын

Great. It's now proven that he's perfectly unable to fly solo for now.

@AV4Life

22 күн бұрын

If so, this is exactly why you should say “student solo” after your callsign, ATC probably would’ve been a lot nicer. Poor guy was probably nervous and needed more guidance from his instructor before soloing… Probably wasn’t familiar going directly into base, and not comfortable taxiing at unfamiliar airports. I hope he was able to recover from this because I’d probably be pretty traumatized if something like this happened to me this early in my career lol.

@rainman1242

22 күн бұрын

@@AV4Life "not comfortable taxiing at unfamiliar airports" a student solo to an unknown airfield ?

@AV4Life

22 күн бұрын

@@rainman1242 I’m sure he flew there once or twice with his instructor. I just meant the guy probably needed more practice with taxi diagrams and such outside of his home field.

@MrIdasam

21 күн бұрын

@@fonfsx You weren't born knowing how to walk.

This controller would make anyone nervous he is a very unprofessional

That's one way to get to alpha 3, just keep pretending that the controller said alpha 3.

You can hear the uncertainty in the pilot’s voice, slowly becoming sheer terror. Given the controller’s ridiculous and frankly, dangerous tone and unhelpful rhetorical questions, it’s a miracle this ended without a serious incident.

He needs the “Possible Pilot Deviation” Brasher warning and a number. Keep the admonishment off the airwaves. It’s still on the tape monitoring the phones. If he’s a student, have him call with his instructor. FSDO will get involved to ensure the pilot is flying safely. He sounded like a student. Even the newly minted private pilots aren’t this bad.

Controller must be one of those guys that never makes a mistake.

The scariest part of this situation...the pilot is likely planning on going to work with the airlines in the near future. He's banking on the fact Frontier and Spirit don't really have any standards.

The controller should be fired for his attitude. Screaming at a confused pilot up in the air is a big no no. Sure, the pilot made loads of errors but that attitude stinks. One error and we'd end up watching the crash debriefs on the other channels.

Glad he was not talking to me, I am only partially sighted.

Michael Cera was in the left seat and Jonah Hill was over there distracting him, that's why he wasn't paying attention

This dude. How the hell you have the guts to go up ? In the first place ? You’re dangerous man. Lots of confusion. No confidente whatsoever

@pawepluta4883

21 күн бұрын

You mean, go up to the tower and grab the microphone? 2/3 of this mess was controller's attitude.

@DrummerJacob

9 күн бұрын

​@@pawepluta4883 Thats complete bullshit. The tower said everything in perfect English, gave clean commands and the pilot couldnt understand a single thing he said. He misheard repeated commands. How can you defend such a danger to everyone? Pilot did zero things correctly and its the towers fault? I wouldnt be surprised if you were the pilot. Get a refund on your flight school. You learned nothing. Consider driving a taxi.

@pawepluta4883

9 күн бұрын

@@DrummerJacob You clearly have problems with understanding what you read. Have you been this pilot, maybe?

The controller is being a complete a-hole. Clearly the pilot needs some assistance, and the controller couldn’t figure that out. He sits in his comfy chair, drinking too much coffee, and couldn’t be bothered to do his job. It doesn’t appear that he has any other traffic to handle, and appears that this pilot severely increased the controller’s “workload “. All he had to do, is offer progressive taxi instructions, and calm the f*ck down….or just resign and walk away from his job.

@rainman1242

22 күн бұрын

" offer progressive taxi instructions," Alpha to Alpha 3 how exactly do you break that down in 'progressive instruction' ?

@briansmyla8696

21 күн бұрын

@@rainman1242 Taxi straight on Alpha. pilot continues taxi. When the next intersection coming up is Alpha 3, controller keys up and instructs him to turn right on Alpha 3. That's how progressive is done. Call each turn as it comes up.

@herobo123456

21 күн бұрын

Great comment but no blame on the pilot for not doing any homework flying to a new airport

@rainman1242

20 күн бұрын

@@briansmyla8696 the problem is that by then the said pilot already took a unprompted left on alpha 5. should the controller tell him before each intersection: 'not this one' ?

@sean2015

19 күн бұрын

The controller may be loud, but unlike the student, at least he knows what he's doing. Competence is more important than likability. Especially in an aviation environment where mistakes can cause tragedies.

Dude had a script in his head and he was gonna stick with it no matter what (set up 45 left downwind and look for c3 entrance no matter what)

Probably a student cross-country solo. A little more flight planning and he will be fine.................who the fk am I kidding. He is a menace and will hurt himself someday!

It is the same pilot that caused the same issues at teterboro. He went whatever he wanted then crossed an active runaway

@danpolk

20 күн бұрын

His CFI is to blame, then.

This is SEVERAL years old, if not more.

These videos are very high quality, well done bro

I've flown into that airport a few times, they can be a little spicy, but are generally good guys. This pilot needs to write stuff down, then think about what he is doing. In the air he had in his head how he wanted to do it and didn't take the time to process how the controller wanted it done. If he wanted the full pattern with a 45 entry, he should have asked for it. On the ground again, he didn't write it down and most likely didn't have a taxi diagram open. Airports can be confusing places, especially single pilot with no one to help you. There is no shame in asking for progressive taxi instructions. At the end of the day, a pilot should know how to do this stuff.

Now everyone knows what it’s like being on the road with other drivers!

This is a perfect example of why I walked away from my dream of being a pilot. I lack the competency and aptitude to operate an aircraft. I would have been this guy and had lots of controllers yelling at me, wanting me to write down phone numbers. Furthermore, I would have lost my certs. It was best just not even go there to begin with.

@pgnandt

21 күн бұрын

Yeah but everybody sucks until they don't.

@MrIdasam

21 күн бұрын

@@pgnandt True, but it's better than killing myself or someone else.

@danpolk

20 күн бұрын

You wouldn’t have. At all. The vast, vast majority of controllers know you’re a student and know how to help you, and will make room in the pattern for you. This controller is the exception. No more excuses for you. Go get your license.

I always hated controlled environments and this is exactly why. All my nightmares in one video.😵‍💫

Pilot should respond with "FMY tower, non control communications disregarded, 47 Victor." Every. Single. Time. Let them pull the tapes and listen to that.

Sounds like a lost student pilot. Just help him find the runway.

Pilot didn’t have a clue of the location of the airport.

@danpolk

20 күн бұрын

You ever fly VFR as a new pilot and try to find an airport? Didn’t think so.

@DrummerJacob

9 күн бұрын

@@danpolk Dude cant even read numbers on signs. Whats your bullshit explanation for that one too?

Almost thought the taxi part was just a spoof video. It sounds fake because its so absurd, all of it. The pilot all over the place, both of them blocking each other on the coms and the controller's ultra high blood pressure hostility. S show.

Welcome to Page Field! If you think our tower controllers make you sweat, think about us who train here every day 😅. I got scolded the other day for landing too long in high performance aircraft I had only 1.5 hrs in, for which I was learning all the power settings and getting my flare and sight picture right. We just learn to roll with it 😂😊❤🗼

@briansmyla8696

21 күн бұрын

lol I'd have told him that I'd make it longer next time around.

@lfhagege

21 күн бұрын

@@briansmyla8696 haha 😆

@DrummerJacob

9 күн бұрын

I mean, who would want to fly with dangerous pilots like this around?

@lfhagege

8 күн бұрын

@@DrummerJacobyou are correct, no one wants that. But once the situation has already started, I feel like ATC should do everything they can to help calm the situation and not make it worse.

The controllers attitude could possibly have been a recipe for disaster. Perhaps take the approach that you are talking down someone with little or absolutely no flying experience, like in an emergency situation, stay calm and issue easy clear step by step instructions and continue to do so until the aircraft is hopefully safely on the ground.

The pilot needs a little more instruction. For example he was trying to use uncontrolled airport procedure when he was given direct instructions by the controller.

This happened at least 10 years ago. This controller is still working at Page. He can be cranky, but it actually makes for great training. It's my home filed and I trained here, and dealing with him forced me to be assertive for what I need and what I can/can not do. The CFI is who is at fault here. The student was completely unprepared to be at Page. Page Field averaged about 560 operations per day. For reference, San Diego is the USA's busiest single-runway commercial airport and does 600 operations per day.

@sean2015

20 күн бұрын

That student is completely unprepared and unfit to be soloing at all.

Obviously the pilot lakes confidence so treat him softly as a friend. It’s all about a good service that’s what we are about. We are not hellraisers and in the uk we are always polite to the customer

Even though the pilot was a newbie and lost, the controller should be more compose. He needs to have a cool head.

A small amount of patience goes a long way to helping low time and single engine pilots like this... When I see things happen like this in the ATC world, to me, it speaks volumes of the culture of that facility. Probably a lot of disgruntled controllers due to pay, bad management or other issues. This controller was just a jerk taking out his frustrations and inadequacies on a foreign sounding student pilot.

The taxiways look kind of tricky there anyway.I can understand how he went down Alpha 5 instead of Alpha 3.The controller had him flustered.

@DrummerJacob

9 күн бұрын

How hard is it to read numbers? Honest question.

If you're gonna take a plane solo onto the stage you better have some idea where you are and how to navigate. I can see how controllers get frustrated. Other lives are on the line

@sean2015

20 күн бұрын

This isn’t even about just navigation. That student incorrectly read back ATC instructions at least three times while airborne and then twice more on the ground. The most annoying part of the video for me was at 2:11 when the student said _”I’m aware of that sir”. That’s student was NOT aware of anything, he was completely clueless.

And then they swapped positions and the pilot got to control the controller.

Keep focused on getting the plane down atc, not humiliating the pilot.

Like I feel bad for the pilot, but good grief…. Shouldn’t be flying a plane if you can’t listen and follow simple instructions.

This controller needs a brasher. Get the aircraft down and parked safely and then ask the pilot to call tower for a friendly conversation. Pilot is possibly a non english speaker and he needs to fix that before flying into towered airports.

I hope that controller is seeing all of the comments here and will change his attitude. But that’s asking too much.

Ouch...

Completely uncalled for. You can hear in the pilot’s transmissions that he is a low time pilot…and that he is struggling with the workload. A simple correction by ATC, or offer to vector him in would have alleviated all of that. Anyone can have a bad day, including ATC, but sometimes even an experienced pilot needs that reassuring voice to say “ I’ve got you 9247V…just follow my instructions and we’ll get you down.” 🇺🇸

@TyVil

10 күн бұрын

If he's too stupid to take instructions - he shouldn't be flying.

I think the controllers rude demeanor contributed to the pilots confusion. He's struggling and having this controller bark at him didn't help !

Granted this pilot is not going to be auditioning for the Blue Angles anytime soon...But this jackass controller needs to get la*d, and switch to decaf. Jeez, bro. The pilot is clearly a newbie, and rattling him just makes him more nervous and prone to more errors.

I flew out of KFMY for a couple of years. This is a very common form of communication for this controller. I can’t imagine why they keep him around. He’s an ……. You fill in the blank.

Controller is there to help he is not an authority-terrible attitude!!

At that point, just tell him to get out of the aircraft and report straight to the tower and have literally anyone walking around outside the airport perimeter jump in and easily taxi the aircraft.

This sounds like a student pilot who is flying "past their training." Pattern work is something you learn in the first third of your PP training. I'm surprised they weren't given a number to copy. Fortunately, the pattern seemed relatively empty. Throw a couple aircraft into the pattern and this gets ugly fast...

And to think that this guy is the President....

Controller sure did not do anything to help the situation. This is the reason so many new pilots live in fear of opening their mouths on the radio with ATC controllers! This is not as rare as it may seem with controllers!

As many said the controller was unprofessional but it's also worth noting that this pilot was not up for the task of flying to this airport (or any controlled airport?)

@sean2015

21 күн бұрын

I’d like to talk to the boneheaded CFI who signed him off

Controller should seek therapy or a pilot license ...

Yikes. Student should not have been on a solo yet, definitely needed some more exposure to towered airports and taxi instructions as a whole. But wow was the tower a douche.

The pilot was definitely not ready for the flight. However the controller needs to calm on frequency. The controller only made it worse by all the yelling.

Someone get that guy a piece of paper and a pen please!

@pawepluta4883

21 күн бұрын

You mean, so that the controller draws some pictures or something to calm down? :-)

Knock, knock, McFly? Anyone home? This has to be one of the most clueless pilots I’ve ever heard. Get him outta here and back into a private pilot ground school before his next flight.

ATC is very intimidating. He's looking for a bad outcome. The pilot is obviously not familiar with the airport. What an asshole - don't call me to the tower...

Had a poor flight instructor.

I feel like an idiot. I think the pilot flew way too east but he has to vere to the east some in order to setup a left base for 13.

Yelling like that doesn’t help, it hurts the situation

The controller definitely didn’t help the situation - probably rattled the pilot even more - and that’s not ok. But this is dangerous. Low time pilots who train primarily at untowered fields should not be flying into towered airports without doing so with an instructor MULTIPLE times. And in full disclosure: I’m a low time pilot who trained at primarily untowered fields and I would not fly into controlled airspace until I reached proficiency with my instructor.

This guy was not lost. He went out of his way to make his deliberate choices and actions appear amateurish and confused. Something is very not right here!

I totally understand the controller's frustration, but he should have recognized the lack of confidence in that pilot's voice and kept his cool. That could have turned out a lot worse. For the pilot, get a boogie board tablet or carry a notepad and pen, write down every instruction. Don't think, just listen, write down, read back, then think.

At 2:33 the animation shows both ends of the runway as RW 31 !

As soon as the controller heard him say he was attempting the 45 onto the downwind, he should have immediately recognized he was a low-time pilot, simply doing what his previous instructors taught him. Yeah, the local controller here definitely either needed a smoke break or a couple shots.

Future Indigo pilot right there!

I think that ATC humiliated himself! Not the pilot. What a jerk. If he sees the pilot is struggling, offer vectors and progressive taxi, don't yell at him and increase the pilot's stress levels. ATC needs to be fired. His job is to help pilots, not make things worse for them.

As a commercial airline pilot at a major U.S. airline, this is one of the least professional exchanges I've ever heard. I looked it up. Page tower isn't FAA. They're contract. National ATC training center should look into this exchange.

@DrummerJacob

9 күн бұрын

As a human that doesnt want to die when im at an airport, get this pilot out of here. He needs an immediate refund on his flight school. He cant even read signs, he cant understand words, he cant understand numbers. Literally the worst pilot Ive ever seen on here. Has no business even operating a motor vehicle of any type.

@nuclearrabbit1

9 күн бұрын

​@DrummerJacob That's not in question. The pilot is obviously not in a good position. If the controller wanted to question his skills, then the place to do that is on the phone after he has landed. The tower has no business intimidating new pilots on the radio, regardless of skill level.

I have to say, a student pilot is taught a pattern that includes a base coming from a downwind. So a left base would be a let to final which is what he thought. In over 500 hours at controlled airports, I have never been told to take a base the way the controller said. Why not just say “tun your base now to final for final Rwy. 23 “? Or “turn now for strait in 23 cleared to land”. And even if the controller is correct, he should have recognized the pilot’s confusion and how we were all taught patterns. This pilot did exactly what he was taught. ( until he landed…..then not so much but at that point he was already over saturated and behind the plane due to the controller’s demeanor)

@user-dz1vg3ql7n

21 күн бұрын

Rwy 13…. Fat fingers. lol.

@Jitterbuggn

18 күн бұрын

I would have thought some of the first and most important things a pilot would be taught is to LISTEN and OBEY the tower ins5ructions!