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@espaciohexadimencionalsern3668

3 жыл бұрын

Ok Sr why dont we see stars clamping one in to the other near the BH so to make a bigger star as GR predicts it should hapens? Why do an orange star get the jump in speed way up far to the right from the blackhole spot that most around go?

@emoosavimehr

3 жыл бұрын

Why is it asking for my consent to receive sales and promotion emails? Doesn't sound fair to me.

@Nameeejz

3 жыл бұрын

Is there a link that is still active? seems odd to not have it up permanently

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks I fixed it!

@bipolarbear9917

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Brian, great talk with Roger, as was your talk with Stephen Wolfram and Eric Weinstein. I have a question about entropy (2nd Law of Thermodynamics). Why is it that entropy still increases in a Black Hole? That seems counter-intuitive. Roger touched on it, but I'm still baffled. Wouldn't the fact that everything is being brought together and converging be lowering the entropy, and that a White Hole the entropy would be increasing, because everything is spreading out and diverging like the 'gas in a box' example that Roger used? Yet Roger says the complete opposite (black holes increasing entropy, white holes decreasing entropy). Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm confused about this aspect. I look forward to your explanation.

It's cool that Roger has been recognized, no matter how old his paper was. His new work will get more attention, which is very exciting. My ultimate goal in life is to be as sharp and vivacious as Roger at the same age!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Me too!

Penrose's 2020 Noble Prize is one of the few best things to come out of 2020. Warms my heart... :) Great pod Brian!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thx! More to come this week Jason!

@sailorr4287

3 жыл бұрын

This happened for me as well. I am still feeling great about this award for Sir Roger Penrose.

@PetraKann

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating I can understand not being able to snare the other two 2020 Nobel Prize winners for Physics but why would you dilute a potentially wonderful interview with Roger Penrose by superimposing Trivia from Weinstein and Levin. Doesn’t make sense

@MichaelAntonFischer

3 жыл бұрын

Penrose is the best physicist since Einstein and Feynman. Well deserved and overdue

@JasonAStillman

3 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelAntonFischer Yes agreed! Penrose diagrams are the Feynman diagrams of spacetime.

Following Sir Roger all my life, I feel that the Noble Prize was long overdue……

How humble can you be to hang up on your Nobel Prize phone call, saying, "They'll call back if it's important."? I love this man and his brilliant mind.

We will meet again in the conformal future when we are all redshifted into each other

Thank you so much Dr Brian and Sir Roger. It was a great time!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Telemarketers! They suck up time more relentlessly than Black Holes

What a lovely way to show appreciation to this lovely man, few deserve such recognition more than Penrose

Thank you Sir Roger for your contribution to the knowledge of the universe, your books and your class and kindness. You are a world treasure.

but seriously, the range and power of Penrose's intellect is amazing. he reminds me of Michio Kaku, in the respect that he thinks without limits

Roger Penrose AND Eric Weinstein?! Brian, you’re coming out with the best content/guests I’ve seen from any podcast lately! Thank you!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

It's truly my honor ;;; let me know other recommended guests

@robbyr9286

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating Daniel Schmachtenberger has a lot of insight, more about society & philosophy than science per se.

@PaulJohnBalderston

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating John Preskill

@timc7035

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating Jim Baggott and Scott Aaronson would be good guests

@benjaminandersson2572

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating Frank Tipler, Douglas Hofstadter, Jim Gates (2nd time), Hans Moravec? Greg Egan (Science Fiction writer).

great stuff, sorry i missed the live stream, congratz :)

This is just awesome. I love this podcast. Thank you so much for making it.

Thank you for this!

Sir Roger, A Great inspiration. My Hero! Greatest Mind of our times. I wish him all the good health. Hope I can attend one of his lectures in the future. Cycles of time - What a beautiful book. This is a great talk. Thanks for doing this Brian and keep them coming.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

I do it for the fun. Stay tuned. Send more recommendations!

Brian, dude, turn your phone off (or on silent) when you're hosting a podcast.

@johntavers6878

3 жыл бұрын

dont be mean he's doing his best

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Damn telemarketers...they suck more time than a Black Hole!

@CronyxRavage

3 жыл бұрын

@@johntavers6878 I'm sure that you're right, and I wasn't intending to be mean. I appologize if it came off that way. However, my intuition, is that "your best" is not fixed, but is a floating variable, and while you could in fact be doing Your Best, as Your Best is defined right now, Your Best can change, such that future versions of Your Best can be greater than past versions. Through graciously assimilating good faith constructive criticism, we can push Our Best to ever greater heights. :)

@rwm1980

Жыл бұрын

Why? It gave the guests the opportunity to speak freely, don't be a Karen!

@rwm1980

Жыл бұрын

​@@DrBrianKeating lol

Am really sorry I couldnt watch the live-stream! But 10k view overall is criminaly underrated!

Found another great Roger Penrose interview and just subscribed to your channel. Looking forward to checking out your wide variety of videos. They all look intriguing. Well done on this one for sure!

@DrBrianKeating

Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much I hope you like it here 😀

It's always a pleasure to listen to people who love discussing these topics.

Great content Brian!!! I absolutely enjoy listening to Sir Roger Penrose...His brain is so vivid and he is simply a charismatic and humble human being!!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Bernard Thanks so much! *What was your favorite takeaway from this conversation? Please join my mailing list to get FREE notes and resources from this show! click here: **briankeating.com/mailing_list.php*

You're doing important work here Dr. Keating. I really appreciate it.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Vaughn. Do you have guest recommendations or other improvements to suggest?

Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Thank you to our host and guests. Masterfully done and you make it fun, too. I am a layman and not gifted in the sciences.

@DrBrianKeating

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, very much Fred

My all-time favourite Professor since 1976 when I read 'Relativity & Cosmology' and saw Penrose diagrams. I've been fascinated by this subject ever after. What wouldn't I give to have a mind like Sir Roger. Ah well, go stand in the corner Shaun and just listen, you might learn something!

@MrBollocks10

4 ай бұрын

Who was your all-time favorite before Prof before 1976?

I love Sir Roger Penrose and his work.

The real Mr. Rogers

Aaawwww that’s AWESOME! Congrats

I love Penrose's off-handed use of the terms "swirling around" and "swishing out again". Those are official, professional physicist terms! ;)

Love how he picks up right where he left off after the frozen part. Too funny. Great podcast!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@epistemologicaldespair68

2 жыл бұрын

I was astounded, its like he never stopped.

Im nothing but a simple brick layer and roger has always been a hero of mine,

Hi Brian, thank you for this interview. Can you get Donald Hoffman please. Cheers

I had just left a comment on one of Eric's videos a couple weeks ago about how he was my second favorite mathematician and physicist, in the world and that my very favorite was none other than sir Rodger Penrose.

@dannyfergusson3243

Ай бұрын

He has 4 papers and none of particular note lmao

Oh I'm going to sit down and enjoy this.

Like Sir Rogers, I also was inspired by complex analysis and the magic of quaternions and octonions and when the octonions explained the quarks, I was all gaga. Later I learned the limitations of octonions and how reality wasn't reflected by mathematical models. Yet like Penrose I was impressed by mathematics beyond description. Only a mathematician could explain a singularity and explain what happens at the end times, with massless Higgs fields. Thank you Sir Rogers, only you could claim mathematics id based on faith.

couple of suggestions I've learned after doing many migrations around the world never lifting my ass from my homebase:) -have secondary comms channels (chat apps/voip/mobile) to confirm internet/power down events -when adding additional people, check if other were not put on hold automagically... because skype -magic yourself up on rogan's podcast (ask eric for a favour;) - then get yourself a jamie with a phd - so that you don't have to multitask - you are missing interesting hooks for possible streams for the conversation ;) .. oh, and ditch the overhead camera - it's awkward, adds nothing and shows when you are multitasking and just semi following the conversation;) edit: keep up the awesome job!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks I really appreciate the feedback. I’m always learning. This isn’t my day job but I want to be as professional as possible!

@ToxisLT

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating hope this didn't sounded harsh, as it was put with much love;)

@markb9347

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating It may not be your day job, but could still prove to be some of your most important work. Posterity may look back and be as charmed by the minor foibles as I am today. As you implement the feedback, we might sadly miss some of the relatable human element. Thank you, I thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing. A hearty congrats to Sir Roger! Eric W always inspires! Keep up the great work!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark! I’ll try to improve. Keep suggestions for improvement and guests coming. I’ll have Janna Levin this Tuesday morning then a huge livestream Tuesday night.

From 42:00 Sir Roger speaks about how the 'core' of the singularity is more like a space than a point. I heard him also say that it's more non-local. I don't understand physics but that sounds a bit like the implicate order of another great physicist David Bohm. Could there be a connection?

Look at the symmetric movement positions the strings behind him. The do make perfect match with his body alignment. Debunked once and for all

I adore him. I could listen to him forever.

Something about crossing roads and scientific discoveries. In "the making of the atomic bomb" it is described that Leo Szilard got the idea of controlled nuclear fission chain reactions while crossing the street as well. Perhaps a potentially dangerous situation that kicks your brain into a different gear? Fascinating nonetheless. Roger surely is one of my all time favorite physicists, thanks for making this happen!

After this I want to try and find his speech accepting the prize! Thanks for the video

@DrBrianKeating

2 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! *What was your favorite takeaway from this conversation?* _Please join my mailing list to get _*_FREE_*_ notes & resources from this show! Click_ 👉 briankeating.com/list

Thank you

Aw! Eric looks in love, whether Roger Speaks. 😊

What was sir Roger's answer to the conformal mapping of singularities then?

1:13:15 Roger Penrose hodling back a laugh like a pro. Im Dyin XD

@Dr Brian Keating There seems to be some sort of cut/jump in the video at 38:40

Salute Sir!

What an enormous privilege to be able to watch such an interesting and stimulating interview with this brilliant giant. Good questions from Dr. Keating and Dr. Weinstein.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks John! Stay tuned for more great guests!

Been a total Penrose fanboy since my brother gave me a dog-eared copy of The Emperor's New Mind. Now a Keating fanboy too... Thanks for the great content - accessible and fascinating even to a curious layperson like me :-)

@DrBrianKeating

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nick love hearing that

Sir Roger Penrose is amazing !

So like plane geometry, there are postulates that differ according to the curvature of time and space, where rules in one type of geometry do not necessarily apply to to spherical geometry. Where angles in a triangle can be more or less than 180 degrees and parallel lines do not exist. So there may be branches of physics where quantum theories work and general relativity doesn't.

The point about the British acceptance of unusual and eccentric and unorthodox intellectuals , as being actual respected INSIDERS (itals) in British society, deserves intensive and detailed analysis; because it may help us to mould our societies into those which accept Off-beat and Non-standard(BUT ALSO detailed and scholarly, AND encompassing real knowledge & insight) investigations and theories, as being worthy of our consideration. This more pronounced Societal and Public and Intellectual and Academic acceptance of unusual and unorthodox and boundary-crossing intellectuals is a definite feature of Britain; it doesn't seem to matter (or it matters less) in the U.K. what clique they belong to, or what their formal qualifications are, or whether their work seems a bit crazy.....the intellectual bad boys in Britain are at least given a hearing, and good numbers of them are respected. Also, good science communicators and explainers have quite a high status in the UK. The studied disdain of the practicing scientist for those who spend most of their time explaining science is Not(!) justifiable; the ability to Extremely Clearly explain scientific concepts to non-specialists may be as rare a skillset as the ability to make a significant scientific discovery.

I do like this CCC idea I've always felt that 13.5 billion years ain't that long when you consider how long the universe will last before heat death and when you consider our planet has been around for 4.6 billion years too.

I really want to hear his response to Roy Kerrs recent paper on this stating the singularity is avoided because of centrifugal forces and that the affine parameter of Falling Light does not conclude with a singularity because light does not experience time. Kerr said the interior is not dissimilar to a neutron star and that a real singularity does not actually exist.

Ahaa! Brian has the massive book Gravitation second from the left on his bookshelf! Luckily the spcetime curvature caused by it didn't render this video incomprehensible like it did most of the text in the book when I used to study it-

1:06:18 "The temperature goes up when you squash the future -- the temperature goes down when you stretch the big bang" -- That sounds super fun -- I did not know that :D

These talks with Roger Penrose are so awesome. Lol 🤯🤘⚡

@DrBrianKeating

2 жыл бұрын

James Thanks so much! *What was your favorite takeaway from this conversation?* _Please join my mailing list to get _*_FREE_*_ notes & resources from this show! Click_ 👉 briankeating.com/mailing_list.php

The 2 cones to the left of the picture were the bottom one is upside down and the one on top its tip end meets with the bottom one where a letter P is to the left of the picture right in between there must to be a disk that is like a splash of both energys sides since it looks to me both sides get treaded at the center by making the neutral or the equator at the middle of the systems in between the 2 cones that is my suggestion based in a DNA PICTURE is form done by DNA PHOTOGRAPH VIA X RAY DEFRACTION in you tube where all entangled pairs CROSS same middle center point.

Being inspired at about the 30 minute point, I think I've had a brain-material quantum coupling because I'm wondering what a Black Hole would say to us if we could anthropomorphize it. I'm thinking it might point out that it's substrate is, at least from its perspective, ordered and the substrates of all the things outside of a black hole is what is actually entropic. But, I'm probably missing something and the math will likely work anyway. It's just like "Just cancel out a minus sign."

Mathematician Ramanujan worked on SINGULARITY and deduced two singularities. He was probably the first to discover them, but maybe not event horizon as Penrose discovered much later.

There seems to be more at the nano scale of strings and flexible propeller shaped fermions. AND FLEXIBLE PHOTON STRINGS.

I never really wanted to solve equations for black holes, Hawking radiation or Giza gravitational results. I just wanted to see what Einstein and Newton had to say about g.

Constructive feedback: Your multi-cam setup is cool but how often you switch views and fiddle what's displayed on screen is very distracting. You need to pick two or three "scenes", have the overlay for each calibrated in advance of recording, and only switch between them sparingly.

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the good advice

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, both! I’ll try to improve my switch skillz.

where does the = sign come into the equation relative to maths and physics

Please have Sir Roger return to discuss how differences in the equivalency principle at changing places alters the local vacuum or describes how the local vacuum is varying from place to place accordingly. At video time 48:30.

I came here from Gogier I must say I enjoyed this as I always enjoy Penrose

@DrBrianKeating

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you’re here

Wow. Yeah you need Eric level to get interesting stuff out from Roger. Not that I understand much of it. But thank you so much for this conversation.

Brian, I sincerely wish you get Noble. I hope you are working on something which would lead you there. You have my Noble anyways for making me interested in Physics.

contour integrate around anything to get rid of the singularity. You don't have to worry about black holes.

What no picture Dr Keating I'm disappointed, I believe I deserved a picture SIR. I love Penrose he is a great dude.

Can we download the slides without signing for spam ads??? It would be nice.

Singularum Infinitum filled with electro-magnetic energy, that is what we have here. This electro-magnetic energy is transformed into bodies in the next eon and these bodies are moving charges hurling through space and exxerting force on the surrounding ether, which in turn exerts a force on bodies that we perceive as a gravitational force.

Well done Dr keating and crew exelent conversation with Sir Penroe congragulations to you good man, is my plasure to listen to you all, thanx for the space to share ideas. - Excuse me but is there just one in flash or are there 2 flashes one from the inside that hits the concave inside part that rays wil be returned and converged to a central point is my guess if the flash is inside a sphere, now if the flash is coming from the out and hits the out complex side what happens here is that the rays will in the most be reffracted to all directions, in my opinion both rays(the incoming and the outgoing) dont have much of a chance to converge in kind of half and half but the inside flash will be forced to concentrate at center of the sphere while the complex outside diverges the flash rays to every where so the differense of the outside willbe much less than the inside. - See it in the sun as an exemple the sun sphere must to be stronger than the inside explosions so it may hold the explosions full of matter and light that just a bit of it goes out from the sun white sphere, lots of matter and light is reffracted back to the inside sun, at this place just out the sun light is way more strong than any incoming matter-light from around space so it goes out almos free but as it goes up from around this so hot light is refractted back little by little due to some other electromagnetism that the systems have to all around, some light goes out the solar system that the same hapens to other stars so is the light that we see from around. - The incoming light from the cosmos and the out put from the stars from all around they kind of get both to a neutral point that is much alike to a galaxie form that looks like an UFO FLY CRAFT or kind of the form of Teslas one flying craft disign. Think that if the explosion happens at the center of the sun light would just go up and down back and forth.

@espaciohexadimencionalsern3668

3 жыл бұрын

to a point that it will be diminished as it goes up and down from the center of the sun to as high from all around it could get same thing will be fro the out side reffracted light due to the other electromagnetic halos that star systems must have so at bounses out the system and to the inside of the systemlight gets demolished more and more, anlist this is my point of view but my self could be wrong.

the smartest people in the world and they can't balance the audio

its a really cool mantra tho, eat food shit heat. its the story of life, food eats light, we eat food, we emit high entropy light.

@gekkobear1650

3 жыл бұрын

Read The Entropy Law and the Economic Process by Georgescu-Roegen

@johntavers6878

3 жыл бұрын

wow you figured it all out

@hyperduality2838

3 жыл бұрын

If black holes have entropy (Hawking) they also have syntropy or entangled entropy! Syntropy (prediction) is dual to increasing entropy -- the 4th law of thermodynamics. "Through imagination and reason we turn experience into foresight (prediction)" -- Spinoza describing syntropy. Syntropy is "converging information" or mutual information resulting from rational thinking to create optimized predictions which are used to track targets -- teleology. All observers track targets! Teleological physics (syntropy) is dual to non-teleological physics (entropy). Randomness (entropy) is dual to order (syntropy. determinism). "Always two there are" -- Yoda. If black holes have syntropy then the question becomes are black holes conscious, are black holes alive?

@gekkobear1650

3 жыл бұрын

@@hyperduality2838 yes they are. So are stars. And Gaia is real too

@hyperduality2838

3 жыл бұрын

@@gekkobear1650 Entropy becomes mutual information in Shannon's information theory! Mutual or common information, entangled entropy = syntropy. Duality converts entropy, information into syntropy or predictable information.

Entropy / wear and tear internal to matter... "No energy system can produce sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it. This universal truth applies to all energy systems."

The physical distinction Penrose made numerous times between the Weyl curvature and the Ricci curvature is appreciated, and not often elucidated. Also a reminder of Gauss’ law in calculating net charge from a closed surface around a charge density, which could be infinite. However, Penrose’s singularity theorem is not as accessible as these simple concepts. He uses advanced analytical geometry to prove geodesic incompleteness, in the form of a closed, trapped surface that “focuses” all light rays inward together. This is equated with a breakdown, a singularity. However, this could be alternatively interpreted as a local observer reaching the edge of spacetime in a finite amount of time and then forever frozen in time. One can then ask whether the singularity ever forms in a finite amount of time.

I will have a look.

Humans are mostly who’s living on a flower, unaware of the universe outside their awareness….fascinating discussion, as clear as mud but covers the subject, and platypus are the only mammal that lays eggs..

Live yes

NIce list of other channels.

Legendary! Thanks for this. These sorts of conversations make me want to take your physics classes at UCSD

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

Please do!!

So I'm quite happy that I've moved science forward, in real life time. Sol was an interesting listen especially the EMFSYSTEMS part. I have much more much more. But let's see where they go. Peace 😎 ✌️ from Canada, eh.

Hopefully the cosmic gravity wave background will show more Hawking points.

A curious question to ask, by and to, Physicists, but maybe not Philosophers. Mathematicians are exempted by demonstration of the Actuality Singularity positioning Principle. Are we here-now-forever equivalent in temporal cause-effect terms. (Rhetorical) But if the concept of "era" is assumed to be a period of "something in nothing", self-consistent discrete time, or "physical" universes are atemporal, separable, and Conformal Fields are not legitimate mathematically, then it's logical to apply the Disproof Methodology of "everything is connected" at this point in time = Singularity Conception. Unity of Infinity, .dt@ zero-infinity sync-duration connectivity, or e-Pi-i AdS/CFT circularity quantization wave-particle Holographic Principle, superimposed-superposition implies pure relative wave-particle coordination-identification, ..Mathematical motion composed of time-timing period-length Polar-Cartesian self-defining logarithmic coordination. The (in)visible existence of Time Duration Timing resonance.

I personally think that the measurement is simply us updating our knowledge of the quantum system.

I wish a dust in my apartment was collapsing into a single spot... then I would place a bin there :)

At one point, Penrose said in the boring universe there are photons and something else. What did he have in mind?

Why is there no discussion of the effect of angular momentum on the shape of the singularity?

Given Brian Keating's intellectual pedigree, tenacity, and unexampled style, I predict this title will one day renamed to "Two Nobel prize winners converse."

@ahmedmak5927

3 жыл бұрын

Let's hope it's renamed to "Three Nobel prize winners converse" or Eric won't be too happy!

@DrBrianKeating

3 жыл бұрын

@@ahmedmak5927 Maybe four with Janna Levin too!

@ahmedmak5927

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrBrianKeating I didn't realize she was on but that would be the dream! My bad, tuned in too late haha

@alex79suited

5 ай бұрын

I hope so? If he has the courage. Peace ✌️

@benjaminbeard3736

5 ай бұрын

Good to see you Curt. That would be a nice bit of instant karma.

The link for the slides is not working...

One of Sir Roger's lecturers made me laugh so, not disrespectfully, heaven forbid; but I see him standing, in front of an overhead projector, colored markers in hand saying: "never mind Disney, this is what a Black Hole looks like" in four colours! I could of cried.

Free fall in an spanding universe? As my self see north can not fall to south either south can emerge to north so how then that could be?

@espaciohexadimencionalsern3668

3 жыл бұрын

south can not merge to north nither north may submerge to south due that even light as matter falls in by atomic weight. Back to the board?¡¡¡

@_John_Sean_Walker

3 жыл бұрын

@@espaciohexadimencionalsern3668 Do they have high schools and universities in your country?

That was awesome. All of them fine gentlemen, great minds yet honest and humble. The best of humanity on display.

@DrBrianKeating

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much !

Or, "Is Oxygen really needed?" Newton demonstrated optically what the Quantum Operator minimum action, the Singularity Apature of Actuality Conception communicated in conformity rates of time-timing sync-duration of Pure Dynamic Mathematics 1-0 probability superposition-spin-spiral recirculation holographic quantization. Logarithmic Time.

Do we still have matter within a singularity? If it was just energy then it could occupy the same space.

I loved contour integration.

Brian Keating reacting to words like "shower", lets goooooooooooooo

the humble rockstarof math: the doc

Is it possible to edit the subtitles?? Can anyone do that?

@flowerpt

3 жыл бұрын

KZread recently killed that feature.

@nilanjankmukherjee234

3 жыл бұрын

@@flowerpt ohh

Brian mute your shit if you're not talking lol. That phone was a buzz kill