Love Moe s comments. simple straight forward. No analysis by paralysis

Walked nine holes this morning and shot a -3 under par using the single plane swing. Started this almost two years ago. Before discovering your videos I would have never dreamed of hitting so accurately. Thank you Todd.

@ToddGravesGolf

2 жыл бұрын

You're welcome.

Excellent Video Todd… something that has helped me with not overthinking…also known as checklist city…was a book called Simplicity by Steven Yellin… I wish you had some training courses in the north east…Nothing like hands on instruction…but this works…I’m 70 and have noticed remarkable improvement in my ball striking…thanks

Thanks T, I needed that message. Every time I focus on hinge and lag I mess up.

Great video! Id love to see one on the feel that he said his hips didn't rotate and how that tied into the knees.👍🏼

Great video!!

@ToddGravesGolf

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Thanks Todd. I met you years ago in Florida when Moe was put on Golf Digest’s cover. Glad to be a new subscriber. I’ve been practicing De La Torre’s and Jones’ teaching on swinging the club head. I guess now it’s more of swinging the head and shaft. Looking forward to seeing and learning from your teaching.

This also reminds me of Manuel De La Torre and Moe referenced him as a major influence, using the arms and letting the rest, including the wrists, follow.

This video right here says it all. TAKE THE HANDS OUT OF. As crazy as that sounds it's true just bend and extend. It really is that simple. STOP THINKING SO MUCH.

@ToddGravesGolf

2 жыл бұрын

agree.

Good video

Are there any videos of moe talking in depth about how he developed his straight line through the club? I remember him talking about a coin behind him and two tees infront of him, keeping it square the whole journey. This is self explanitory, but i wonder if there is more like this to help build the muscle memory before even attempting the ball. Im fascinated by moe norman. Only played golf for 6 months now, im obsessed. Never played in my life before now. Which means i can build my swing straight from here. So thanks alot!!

I like most of your instruction and I m a believer int the KISS principle. I watched on of your vids where u discussed various and degrees of body, shoulder , torso movement. To me that s irrelevant and does nothing to improve my swing or addressing the ball. The basics you instruct are excellent, but once u start talking about degrees of this and that U lose me. I m sure a lot of golfers feel the same way. A persons bodily ability to swing the golf club varies from person to person. I ve played this game for 55 years. My ability to play well varied. Sometimes the swings worked sometimes they didn t. I agree with your intro to your vids (nothing better when you get up in the morning no better feeling when u hit the ball well I agree< but i ve woken up feeling great and ready to play golf. Guess what.?

Jimmy Demaret once quipped. “The golf swing is easy to master once the golfer learns to keep the club head outside the hands and stay in balance.” The wisdom in that statement is that using a “one piece” hips/shoulders/hands wide sweeping takeaway keeping club head outside of hands, without any manipulation with the wrists, results in the momentum acting on the mass in the club head pulling the lead arm straight and horizontal with the ground with so much force it becomes physically impossible to bend the lead arm at the elbow. So what happens when the club can’t swing backwards any more? The force acts on the weakest point on the lever arm, the wrists, automatically cocking them without any conscious effort. That action is seen in the swings of Hogan, Snead and most other golfers before the conventional wisdom for the takeaway changed to the Nicklaus method of taking back the club with hands, then shoulders then hips which resulted in a steeper backswing plane and separation of right arm from body (flying elbow) which characterized Nicklaus’ swing. Moe intuitively understood how to use mass and momentum to do the work in the swing efficiently. The more forcefully the club is swung back with hip action (lateral and circular) as he, Hogan, Snead and many others who learned with hickory clubs did so as not to snap the shafts, the faster it will automatically whip up around the hands. Acceleration has an exponential effect on force so that automatic whipping action creates enough force to effortlessly pull the club up and the shoulders around past the hips to top of the back swing EFFORTLESSLY. I studied and emulated Moe’s swing, along with Hogan’s and Frankenberg (aka Count Yogi). Something all three had in common where being known for their accurate ball striking and how they allowed the club force to pull the ‘thumb up’ radial deviation cocking of the wrist created in the backswing out of the wrist to ‘thumb down’ unlar deviation through impact with the ball using grip techniques which brought the face square to the target as the wrists maxed out instead or trying to “sustain the lag” (i.e. radial deviation) in the right hand as taught in the conventional swing. The result is the same biomechanical action seen when chopping down at 45° with an axe, toe-nailing with a hammer at 45° which the same force multiplication resulting from the grip allowing the club head to FREELY rotate and accelerate around the hands - the same action which occurred in their backswings but in reverse.

@rossgerry8231

Жыл бұрын

Great explanation, thanks. Is the backswing then more of a heave?

@TeddyCavachon

Жыл бұрын

@@rossgerry8231 Its similar in mechanics and feel to swinging a axe or sledge hammer overhead using momentum and acceleration of head around hands. The swinging mass pulls the arms and steers it on whatever path it is started on. Because a golf club head doesn’t have much mass the tendency is to try to steer it with the hands, usually on a less than ideal path.

I understand the skipping a rock/stone being a right handed player, Yet when viewing Mo's video's, he always mentioned that his right hand was only there for the ride, he pulled through with his left arm/side. His right hand/arm was dormant!

@ToddGravesGolf

Жыл бұрын

What Moe is describing was the arm action from the top of the Backswing into the downswing but that about position three the arm straightens and extends as the lead arm folds. There is a clear extending of the right arm from a bent position to a straight position. So the lead arm can only pull for a period of time before the trail arm takes over and extends. There is no possible way the lead arm can pull the entire time. And that is not what’s happening from a biomechanical perspective. Most describing his feelings. He wasn’t wrong. But it wasn’t the whole story.

@alancarlyon3928

Жыл бұрын

@@ToddGravesGolf Many thanks Todd, I will try it again tomorrow!

E3 swingweight would make a difference as well. It would take a decent amount of effort to try and fire or flip the wrists if you're swinging a telephone pole. Lead and lag is set up by the equipment.

Hey Todd, are you having any training events coming up that you're teaching? I'm frustrated with my golf game and tired of taking lessons from golf pros only to be told something new every time. I've been following Moe Norman for years as well as your videos. Thanks for posting these videos on Moe's swing!

@ToddGravesGolf

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Orlando July 25 - 29. Email me at toddg@gravesgolf.com and let me see how I can help.

If you made this just for me thanks much!! I can hear your on line coach Clays frustration

@billeppright4802

2 жыл бұрын

with me as he says over and over again to do the 6 x 36 drill until I am sick of it and it is the only move I can make; stop rolling wrists hand action etc!! I had it down took time off then reverted back to old bad ways.

@ToddGravesGolf

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to help!

Great

I grew up a wrist cupper at the top. In trying to keep the left wrist flat at the top I find I do ok with short irons but the longer they get the harder time I have squaring the club face and end up push slicing a lot. Very frustrating!

This video is just what I needed. Was this golf course use for the filming of Natural Golf video.

@ToddGravesGolf

2 жыл бұрын

No - this is the back of range at oak tree national

Moe gave no verbal swing secrets. In most of his verbalization he gave plenty of clues and is wanting the student to figure out what he was trying to say. Where Moe does his actual teaching is by example of his swing over and over and over of pounding balls. Repeating his swing for us to learn it by observation. He has himself on numerous occasions, I’m not going to tell you I am going to show you. I don’t think he has ever said to keep your right heel planted through impact and somewhat beyond into the follow through though. Thank you for helping to make sense of all the clues that Moe has provided.

Being an Aussie who grew up playing cricket it looks like your grip is same as a cricket grip and the swing the same as a cover drive which is to simply hit the ball back at the bowler but over his head.

Thank you, Todd!

@ToddGravesGolf

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Question? Moe talks about the 40 yards more with his move And Ben Hogan ?

To bad your not in Myrtle Beach South Carolina. I would get some lessons on this swing.

Drag Screamer pretty much ruining my game right now... darn you to heck Drag screamer! But seriously, this is so good - and so fundamental. "High Level performers... are at level ten. They are trying to explain things we don't even understand." So interesting how my own perspectives of the swing have changed over time as my skill has grown. And after seven years, I am starting to really understand a few things!!

@Dragscreamer1

2 жыл бұрын

😆 🤣 yes this is really good. I've converted over to single plane and found Todd 9 months ago. He is such an effective communicator. Best analogies and feels around! Such a simple and fun way to play golf!

Damn budy those legs are damn near as white as your shoes lol. Great vid as always

@ToddGravesGolf

2 жыл бұрын

Hey! Ob stakes.

@natgolfpro1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ToddGravesGolf 🤣🤣🤣

@larrylaconi3480

2 жыл бұрын

@@ToddGravesGolf :)

Your pendulum moves around the end of grip resulting in slanted leading edge to the ground. Moe's pendulum moving makes the leading edge parallel to the ground as the address moment.

@ToddGravesGolf

2 жыл бұрын

OK.

So extension flexion of the trail wrist?

Hi Todd. Are your feet at address just a little wider than l would normally see? Also, on the backswing, does the clubhead come inside a little, as opposed to like a pendulum?

@ToddGravesGolf

Жыл бұрын

stance width depends on the club you are hitting. Short irons are more narrow than the driver. The club moves naturally in the backswing in relation to the body. You turn and the club moves with the turn.

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I enjoyed this video but have a comment. I use your guide for ball placement but I noticed your feet are very wide. I assume you’re using a mid iron and your front foot is past the front of the guide and your back foot seems to be around the 3 wood mark. Can you comment?

@NG-tz8wo

2 жыл бұрын

I use this method and the trail foot looks lime it’s in the 6 iron spot. The lead foot does as well but being it’s turned out some makes it seem like it’s past the board. I usually line my heels up with the markings.

When I stand that far away from the ball I can't hit consistently.

He is not adding any angles, but the angles are there because of the lag. If I think about using both hands instead of one,I hit hit the ball much better. His swing as you well know is all in in the hands and for arms lagging behind the body.

@ToddGravesGolf

2 жыл бұрын

Good point.

what the hell is he going to say next

@ToddGravesGolf

Жыл бұрын

Who Ira? You have Moe’s swing figured out yet? You should be pure by now.

show his grip please

I hit the ball well with this swing but much shorter

Tested the swing on 80 golf balls a few days ago. I've never hit the ball so straight and so consistently. My main thing is to just make sure I drop the club from the top and tug it through to the target. When I do that, it's perfect.