Everyone has to specialise in something and English managers are specialists in relegation battles😂😂

@saffiejallow8858

Ай бұрын

Thank you very much😂😂but they wouldn't accept it...

@Thamie-TM

Ай бұрын

I.e Big Sam Allardice, well renowned relegation specialist

@wilberforcembauya1667

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂 harsh

@1pac882

Ай бұрын

😂😅

@onaleronazikhali2518

Ай бұрын

Fire fighters

The British managers culture is all based on fear of losing rather than trying to win the game allardyce, Moyes, dyche, Southgate the list goes on all I can say is at least some of the younger managers are trying to be entertaining howe and Carrick whether they will be given the time to aspire to greatness is something else

Brian Clough was a football genius! won 2 European Cups with Nottingham Forest and he should have been the England Manager in the 70s, but the ignorant FA didn't appoint him because he was too outspoken. 😠

@timujin1000

Ай бұрын

Spot on!!

@kaypakaipa8559

Ай бұрын

He wouldve been victorious with England

@gerardonochie3408

Ай бұрын

English arrogance even to their own. Brian Clough was a top manager.

@leepatrick9432

Ай бұрын

@@gerardonochie3408What was arrogant about the FA not giving the job to Clough ?

@kevingill648

Ай бұрын

Yes he was a top manager! thanks for agreeing 🤣🤣🤣🤣@@gerardonochie3408

England has approx 1600 UEFA licence holders. Spain has over 15,000. The courses in Spain are also 75% cheaper.

@Writeous0ne

Ай бұрын

that's an interesting fact. but i know people who are coaches and referees etc in England at lower levels and they couldn't make a living by that profession alone. so they often have to choose with a pie in the sky dream of being a football coach or get a job that will pay the bills. and lets not forget how underappreciated coaches and referees are in lower level football in the UK.... but you are right when countries strive to be the best at something it has to be done from an early age and develop people into those roles. countries with the best engineers etc have high levels of STEM graduates, this is because their education systems and society looks up on STEM as the future so people want to do it and they can make a good living do it.

@daveseville7394

Ай бұрын

@GenEF70chip well said

English managers, so Sounese talks about Jock, Fergie and Shanks. All Scots 😂😂

@lostagain7292

Ай бұрын

Don’t forget Sir Kenny as well!

@user-re9mp2nh5e

Ай бұрын

There was something about the working class culture they were all brought up in. I think the reason there are few English managers and the demise of Scottish managers is that the working class culture that bred them has been destroyed.

@leepatrick9432

Ай бұрын

I guess you conveniently missed Paisley,Fagan and Revie.And obviously can't follow a simple convo that expanded from Souness's explanation of why Paisley and Fagan couldn't/wouldn't manage in todays game

@gettinglost270

Ай бұрын

Simon triggered 😂😂😂

@mcbeardthebat8589

Ай бұрын

@@user-re9mp2nh5e did...did you just say the working class dont exist anymore? LOL

The Premier League has been won by by: 2 Scottish managers 1 Portuguese manager 1 French manager 1 Chilean manager 1 Spanish manager 1 German manager (All with the same single club). 4 Italian managers (Four different clubs) 0 English managers

@opulentwaters7939

Ай бұрын

2 Scottish managers actually - Fergie and Dalgliesh (Blackburn)

@elaineblackhurst1509

Ай бұрын

@@opulentwaters7939 You’re quite right; I’ve amended my list above.

@jimwatson3382

8 күн бұрын

How embarrassing for English, foreign owners with foreign managers and foreign mercenaries in their team's with an average of 9/11

We all know english managers are of the standard of sean dyche 😂

@jbo4547

Ай бұрын

And? He is a good coach

@FurioussBear

Ай бұрын

@@jbo4547 😂

@thierryhenry674

Ай бұрын

@@jbo4547 English football culture😂

@glenhoddle9

Ай бұрын

@@thierryhenry674 Is pretty traditionalist, it has hardly moved beyond the 80s - it´s only because of the foreign influx that the play has improved significantly.

Still no English manager has won the Premier League. Last English manager to win the top division league tittle was Howard Wilkinson back in 1992. Dosent look like changing anytime soon.

@Writeous0ne

Ай бұрын

Agreed, Howe and Potter were supposed to be the biggest hopes but they've both turned out to be mediocre at financially backed clubs. People speak negatitvely about Pep etc saying they couldn't win without being at a top club but he's at a top club because it takes a certain type of manager to be there.

@fishingstevie8830

Ай бұрын

@@Writeous0ne Nowadays teams win main trophies mainly Leagues are ones with most millions to spend sadly ..Unlike in Celtics day as that was a Celtic team in 67; raised from youngsters through the ranks whom all blended together like a Brotherly bond and why they conquered Europe as well as having the best manager ever could have had at that time in Jock Stein ..

@daveseville7394

Ай бұрын

Yeah from 20 or 30 miles from Celtic Pakr I think @@fishingstevie8830

@ravecrab

Ай бұрын

@@Writeous0ne I don't think Howe has turned out to be mediocre. He got Newcastle into the Champions League well ahead of schedule and he's had one tough season following that up. They were relegation candidates under Steve Bruce two seasons ago. It takes time to build a club up.

@Writeous0ne

Ай бұрын

@@ravecrab just a fluke season though, lot's of other teams were in bad form and rebuilding. He's been found out this season in the Prem and CL.

Joe Fagan was the last English manager to win the European Cup (now Champions League) with Liverpool 1984. Howard Kendall was the last English manager to win a European trophy (Cup Winners Cup) with an English club (Everton in 1985). Sir Bobby Robson was the last English manager to win a European trophy (Cup Winners Cup with Barcelona in 1997).

@sgtwilko2338

Ай бұрын

Irritating how talksport get simple facts wrong when all the information is there at their fingertips.

@Contextualiser16-tn8nd

Ай бұрын

Howard Wilkinson was the last to win a League title in England, 1992

@damienabbott9805

Ай бұрын

@@Contextualiser16-tn8nd Meaning that no English manager has ever won the Premier League. In fact the Premier League has been won by only 11 different managers and the statistics read like this: Italy 4 Scotland 2 France 1 Portugal 1 Chile 1 Spain 1 Germany 1

@simoncampbell3144

Ай бұрын

Id prefer the order to be in how many those countries have won between them ​@@damienabbott9805

@neilchapman9266

Ай бұрын

Wasn't Fagan Irish?

Sir Bobby coached Sporting and Porto and is loved here in Portugal. Humble, funny and just a lovely man. Souness who coached Benfica on the other hand.

@Scott-bh2qb

Ай бұрын

Sounness is loved in Istanbul - Galatasaray

Sir Bobby Robson won it with Ipswich town too. Dude is a legend.

@leepatrick9432

Ай бұрын

Won what ?

@rLxJake

Ай бұрын

@@leepatrick9432 he won the UEFA European cup didn’t he?

@rLxJake

Ай бұрын

@@leepatrick9432 yea I just googled it and he won the UEFA Cup with Ipswich. I watched a KZread video about him and that’s how I remembered it. (American)

@leepatrick9432

Ай бұрын

@@rLxJake No he won the UEFA cup,they clearly said European cup/ Champions league.And what is (American) supposed to indicate ?

@rLxJake

Ай бұрын

@@leepatrick9432 that I don’t have a 60 year history of football completely grasped. For example I thought the UEFA Cup was the predecessor of champions league. Like the premier league is to the English football pyramid.

There isn't training camps for managers in England like there are in other countries.

@lostagain7292

Ай бұрын

Dont forget sir kenny as well! 😂

No Graeme. Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Hughton, Potter etc have all been given a chance. They're simply not good enough. Arteta's not still in a job because he's Spanish. It's because he's good. See if Jim Radcliff hires an Englishman at Man U just because. Maybe English players who want to become Managers should take a leaf from the foreign Managers and see how they do it. The same way English players are going on the continent to play for non-English teams.

@joecarmody5544

Ай бұрын

Potter did a fantastic job at Brighton. Arteta clung to his job by his fingernails

@fady02

Ай бұрын

@@joecarmody5544 Potter was fantastic at Brighton, but flopped at Chelsea. Arteta is currently doing a great job at Arsenal despite it being his first job as manager. Gary O'Neil is doing a magnificent job at Wolves as well despite being very young. Many managers get fired from their jobs, it's just the nature of the beast that is football, but there just aren't enough English managers that have been able to win anything neither here in England nor abroad in other countries, and that is the reality. It's not that they aren't given chances

@andypandy4607

Ай бұрын

​@@fady02would've been interesting had potter been given longer than five minutes at Chelsea

@joe2791990

Ай бұрын

Southgate will be the next United manager and get them relegated

@tevildo45

Ай бұрын

@andypandy4607 Would a got Chelsea relegated

The European ban in 1985 took a heavy toll from which English managers never seemed to recover. It's like we went irreversibly backwards in those 5 years during which the continent caught up and the game changed. From 1977 to 1985, 7 different English managers won European trophies, Bob Paisley 3 European cups (and 1 uefa cup) Brian Clough 2, Joe Fagan 1, Tony Barton 1 (with technically ex-manager Ron Saunders who left Villa halfway thru season). Bobby Robson 1 uefa cup, Keith Burkinshaw 1 and Howard Kendall 1 cup winners cup. I think the more continental philosophy taking over and all the rules fitting around how they play or behave on the pitch didn't help at a time when we frowned upon the dark arts of the Italians and Spanish perfected over decades and prided ourselves on our so-called British sense of fair play and mocked those foreign theatrics which are now almost a skilled artform.

@AlexOjideagu2

Ай бұрын

Terry Venables and Bobbie Robson both managed Barcelona and England. They were the 2 last great English managers. Kevin Keegan almost did it with Newcastle. Southgate deserves credit however. 1 Semi and 1 Final.

@antoniobrandao7139

Ай бұрын

I think you were going in the right direction. The European ban closed off English managers in their own little pool. While the rest of Europe was exchanging ideas and evolving tactically, England stagnated in the old '4-4-2 kick the ball upfield'. It has nothing to do with theatrics. It's tactical and it takes time to change.

@roboi2241

Ай бұрын

@@antoniobrandao7139It helps when a team can employ tactics knowing the ref will give a foul at the slightest contact. It allowed the development of technical coaches and players to operate with more freedom and incorporate 'tactical' use of the rules and stricter officiating to their advantage without being out-muscled and bullied so much . Which benefited the Latin teams who have always been more adept and cute in manipulating officials on the pitch. Not a criticism, it's a skill in itself which they mastered along with the technical skills.

@AlexOjideagu2

Ай бұрын

@@antoniobrandao7139 Liverpool definitely didn't play that style in the late 80s, they were one of the best teams in Europe but banned. They could easily have won a European Cup.

@antoniobrandao7139

Ай бұрын

@@AlexOjideagu2 sure. Liverpool and maybe a couple of other teams did play a more evolved kind of football but the archetypical English football at the time was the 'kick and rush' which lingered until the 90s save some exceptions.

Great points, good discussion.

??? Frank Lampard, Steve G? Rooney ? Brandon Rodger’s? List is endless…. Can’t say there haven’t been opportunities tbh

@jackdelacey2505

Ай бұрын

You mean Brendan Rodgers? Yeah he ain't English

@nickmtalie4252

Ай бұрын

@@jackdelacey2505 My Bad 😂

@italianplastic23

Ай бұрын

They are only given poisoned chalice jobs or transactional teams and no big spending...... and they have to turn it around in record time

@nickmtalie4252

Ай бұрын

@@italianplastic23 isnt that also contributed to by some poor decision making, there could be an argument that Graham Potter was given a fair chance @ Brighton chose to go to Chelsea who have a revolving door for managers, foreign or otherwise, Steve G was given a budget 3 times than Emery in a short period of time , Frank Lampard had 15 points in 20 matches when he got the sack @ Everton , don’t think in football it’s not always that black & white sometimes decision are taken with clubs longevity & best interest @ heart

@italianplastic23

Ай бұрын

@@nickmtalie4252 poor decision to take those jobs at those times.... Brighton/villa are nothing ...Chelsea transitional...Villas boas did just as bad a job and that was never a smear on Spanish managers. lamp/Gerard were toe dipping' young managers from the golden generation....no one from the wag culture era was ever going to make a good manager. you cant hold them as representations of all English managers

continental managers know that management is an art not a science. they appreciate how important emotion and psychology is and use this to get the best out of their teams. then you add the technical and physical side on top, focusing on things like fluidity and creativity, and generous dose of charisma. english managers are typically close-minded, lack creativity and have little charisma, but i think things are very slowly changing. more english players need to play abroad, so when they eventually become managers they appreciate alternative ways of approaching the game and are more well-rounded

@amajeet

Ай бұрын

Is what Arteta showed, you only have to watch the amazon documentary on this. It's why I still say Arsene is better than Pep. And.also why I claim fergie is biggest myth and.fraud. He just had refs and.fa in his pocket. His playing style was just always rough and aggressive, they got away with fouls that way.

Redknaap, Aladyce, Pulis, Pardew, Reid, Royal, Hoddle. All had multiple opportunities at club level, and all of them were overated. Simon is right.

@happyapple4269

Ай бұрын

Hoddle was very good its a shame he didnt get another crack at it.

@abody499

Ай бұрын

​ @happyapple4269 hoddle is awful. the way he speaks about the game on champions league commentary is so basic and limited, but he's not any different to the rest. on average, english people just don't understand the game very much.

@amajeet

Ай бұрын

Hoddle was Okay he said stuff that media pcs hates, although tbh Hoddle shouldn't have said it.

England thinks that great managers are just born (same with players sometimes as well), people don’t give managers time anymore, just look at Eddie Howe, lot of people think NewCastle need a elite manager to win things but people/media aren’t giving people time to become Elite managers. How can someone become elite if you try and replace them every week/season

@paulorganisation1

Ай бұрын

Howe is not elite.

@EdwinOngKeatMeng

Ай бұрын

is pep given time to fail?

@paulorganisation1

Ай бұрын

@habibisimon-nb3kk so? I can't make my own comment?

@SleeplessPufo

Ай бұрын

@@paulorganisation1 not yet but he might become elite

@SleeplessPufo

Ай бұрын

@@EdwinOngKeatMeng tbh honest Pep is possibly one of the exceptions, but he is not just a elite manager, he is probably one of the best manager ever to exist

Are Scottish people English now? It seems Simon & Souness think that based on their arguments.

@samhamad5239

Ай бұрын

Souness comes from a tradition up here that would tell you Scots are just far-north English people.

@alastairbrewster4274

Ай бұрын

Souness sold his soul to the Sun newspaper , ruined his Liverpool legacy tbh , guy was a terrible manager too, plenty clubs gave him by the standard of the time huge funds and bought Mark Walters.

@user-qx3eb2jx1p

Ай бұрын

@@samhamad5239 Oh look , a yes voter who wants Scotland to be independent

@user-qx3eb2jx1p

Ай бұрын

Ermmm you were more than happy to call Sir Alex a british manager when suited.

English football culture needs to change. Even when the best players and managers in the world arrive in England they're treated like nobody's until they've proven they're good enough to beat dross like Burnley and Luton. With less of an island mentality they can produce better managers.

@ravecrab

Ай бұрын

The problem is we have an anti-intellectual culture in this country. Football is mostly played and watched by the kind of lads who used to say you were "gay" at school if you actually did your work. We praise "straight talking" pundits like Roy Keane or Graeme Souness who can't analyse tactics and just moan that players aren't running or tackling hard enough. We treat tactics like some suspicious foreign nonsense. Being an elite football manager is actually not simple. The modern game is tactically complex and you need to be smart and analytical to coach it. So we have to import that knowledge from countries with better footballing cultures.

@Support-your-local-team

Ай бұрын

@@ravecrab Agreed. I think that is changing a bit but the change is quite slow.

Eddie Howe can potentially win but Newcastle are still trying to recover from the Ashley period. Gonna take another 3-4 years yet to really start competing with the corrupt 6

For me you have to go back to Terry Venables for the last innovative English coach .Shame he only got one tournament to manage England as he was a bit too much for the F.A to handle .

We have some great young snd upcoming manahers; Carrick and McKenna for example. Problem in the PL is were obsessed with the next shiney object from overseas. Id encourage all young/hungry managers to go and get some experience overseas; itll add huge credit to their CV's. Doesn't happen enough unfortunately, nut they're missing out

@thierryhenry674

Ай бұрын

The problem is, these English managers, did they ever played for or learned from a modern tactician? English managers don’t believe that TACTICS is at least 90% of what it matters. They don’t have a step by step methodic approach. They can’t micromanage every positioning and movements of their players like a chess game. They park the bus. They are boring, direct and defensive. They prefer physical, athletic, hardworking players, rather than skillful, technical, creative players with good teamwork. England fans are risk averse, they reject any modern ideology. They don’t think of taking more risks, playing less defensive capable attacking profile players to outscore their opponents. Instead, they cheer when they make a good tackle.

@tevildo45

Ай бұрын

McKenna isn’t even English

@wickedmanrick2582

Ай бұрын

Carrick the bottle job at middlesborough😂😂😂😂

Spain just produce the best managers plain and simple. It's not because of them being the fashionable choice of the moment

@timujin1000

Ай бұрын

NO it's because the Spanish FA invested heavily in the development of young coaches. If you invest well you will see the benefits

@Geohillierneo

Ай бұрын

Apart from Pep, I'm struggling to think of too many TOP successful Spanish managers...?

@tevildo45

Ай бұрын

Luis Enriquez, de bosque, emery

@wallace.museka

Ай бұрын

@@Geohillierneo Currently you have Unai Emery, Xabi Alonso, Luis Enrique, Pep and Arteta doing very well

@RSSP2000

Ай бұрын

@@Geohillierneo There is a far greater number of very good Spanish managers than English managers. Just look at the UCL quarter final managers for an example

I think a huge part of it is as soon as one has any kinda success at a smaller club we (the public) and the media start saying how great they are and then the pressure piles on and they take big jobs they aren't ready for.

Guys, go watch the Champions league final between Barcelona and Man United - Pep vs Fergie. Apparent Best English side vs Apparent best team. Why was there such a big tactical mismatch in that game with both managers having the same amount of time and prep? One manager even being in the job for less than a year? Which current English coach/manager plays football that takes your breath away? Until you name me one this conversation is pointless.

@jonhayes7322

Ай бұрын

That was a Scottish manager…?!?!

If British managers didn’t rush themselves to manage such big clubs or chase big money. Instead spent their time working with other managers in the premier league and overseas learning their craft. Maybe the might be more successful

If Southgate is the posterboy for english managers then that explains lot. SOUTHGATE 😂😂😂

@nadeemamode

Ай бұрын

Roy hodgson Mc claren Allardyce

No mention of Howard Kendall ?

It starts from the top, the FA is full of old dinosaurs who've been in their jobs too long. The FA needs a root branch modernisation. Thats the first issue.

Will never be another Sir Bobby. Pep & Jose learnt from him at barca among others. Class.

Most old school managers would struggle in the modern game, not only because of the changes in the game, but also because of the changes behind the scenes, with the sports science departments, and the massive coaching teams, in which i believe there is often at least one guy with his eye on your job in 6 months, where in the past it might've been 6 years or more.

Jim needs to do some more research, Tony Barton was the Aston Villa manager 1981/82

Englands biggest indictment is that they couldn’t even produce one world class coach from that golden generation they had 15 years ago Rooney, Terry, Beckham, Lampard, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Neville, Cole None of them can do it How Look at France with Deschamps, Germany with Beckenbauer and Klinsmann and don’t need to even talk about Spain cos they flooded with world class minds

Premier League should be the breeding ground for best English managers who can take the England national team. But how can that be when premier league is dominated by foreign managers with only four of them being english?

@tevildo45

Ай бұрын

But your country doesn’t produce top managers, it hasn’t done so now for decades

@fady02

Ай бұрын

The gap between English managers and foreign managers is vast. Graham Potter was a promising manager and got exposed at Chelsea. Eddie Howe is most likely on his way out of Newcastle as he can't get the team to perform. Gerard couldn't have flopped harder, and Emery showed him up big time when he took over at Villa. It's not that English managers aren't being given a chance, it's that they don't take their chances

That must be some size of a studio to accommodate those egos.

It really doesn't help with the English FA deliberately overprice coaching qualifications, restrict the number of coaches that can take the UEFA B and above every year and clubs across the professional sphere deliberately underpay English and other nationality coaches in the system for every single job. Even for academic based roles at football clubs they are paying less than a teacher would get in a mainstream school. It's not that English managers are lazy, it's the very fact that the system does not reward the kind of coaching growth and development we want to see. I know of plenty of coaches who have to work two or three jobs just to get by. That shouldn't be the case when you are coaching at a professional football club. If you want better coaches, change the system to make it more accessible and more rewarding.

I wonder if any of these gentlemen had the coaching badges that seem to be so important today with the modern coaches?

The top clubs aren't interested in English managers either or willing to take a risk or give them time

@ayoa.o.9966

Ай бұрын

So why don’t they go abroad and take European jobs to work themselves up?

@tevildo45

Ай бұрын

Chelsea gave Lampard a chance twice and he bottled it, potter bottled it. Hodgson bottled his chance at Liverpool.

@fangdog29

Ай бұрын

​@@tevildo45the biggest bottler in this list should be gerrard. Took a good Aston villa side into a relegation scrap last season, and the way unai emery turned things has been unbelievable.

@leepatrick9432

Ай бұрын

@@fangdog29It's a stupid term to use,but if you want to say bottler.Then it would be a choice between the 3 that inherited better squads than Gerrard

@myhatmygandhi6217

Ай бұрын

​@@ayoa.o.9966this hits the issue on the head in my opinion. The reason English managers don't develop is because they don't go abroad to learn their craft. Meanwhile, all the Spanish, French, Italian, German managers are willing to go away to learn their trade. The English have stagnated by choice. Managers from other leagues also put their egos in check and start in lower divisions and work up, like Ancelotti, Conte etc. Meanwhile, in England you have Sol Campbell complaining about not getting Prem offers when he has no managerial CV 😂

Eddie Howe finished above Klopp last season. Let’s see how he does if given time.

@tevildo45

Ай бұрын

But what’s he doing now

@jamie5824

Ай бұрын

@@tevildo45 The best he can with the most injury hit team in the whole of the UK.

So Graham is saying foreign coaches interview better in their second or third language than English managers do in their primary language? Please explain this logic.

@stumoo4049

Ай бұрын

Don't think he meant their English is better 😂

Souness is the most predictable pundit around: you can always rely on him to say something to defend his ego in some way.

The problem now is back years ago the English managers were just competing against other British managers. So the foreign managers always probably had the edge, interms of technical coaching & tactically. Also the quality of player was spread through more teams, because only the champions played in the European Cup. Would the best English managers of the last 20 years, win leagues & trophies in the 1960's & 70's? We don't know, but also would the best British managers then be as good starting midtable today? Would they ever get a top team? How would Ferguson done had he joined a midtable team rather than Man Utd? Would he have done enough to get a top job, we'll nevet know. Simon Jordan was spot on about the coaching in general in British Football years ago. All that's happened now is the doors have been opened, to managers & coaches brought up in a better culture.

@italianplastic23

Ай бұрын

Yeah and pep wouldnt do anything at west brom or luton without billions

@tt99football56

Ай бұрын

@@italianplastic23 We don't know that for sure, he wouldn't win things we can say that. He'd play in a way though & build, where he'd probably get a bigger job as Pochettino & Rodgers did.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard Graeme talk so much nonsense

@graeme4540

Ай бұрын

Then you don't listen often enough.

So weird how Simon slips between saying he’s so patriotic and will blindly back his country to always slagging off English managers.

English..hmm. Go to grounds roots football. It's all about winning..not losing then talent. Technicalities in both the player and tactics are not taught enough. All the coaching methods I followed were from Dutch or Brazillian football. Exciting drills mainly in small groups. Tech skills ect.

The last great English manager who actually WON something was Harry Redknapp.. he should have managed England not Hodgson

Graham skirting around the fact the game, and its rules, changed. No longer was it the norm to scythe down opponents and turn the game into a real scrap. When the game required higher levels of thinking and tactics, and the game required more techincal players, the British Isles were just unable to keep up (broadly speaking, minus a few stand outs). The influx of foreign players, coaches, and footballing minds wasn't a fad, it was essential otherwise clubs would be left in the dark ages. Not to slag off a more classicial style, but there is a reason why those teams don't win the league every year.

So which English manager would anyone hire at the moment in the top 6?

Lol the setups by the FAs of other countries are just legit. Take a look at Italy, there’s a defined system that helps former players from Ancelottis and now Rossis to get into coaching.

English ex players are more interested in talking through punditry than actual coaching or managing a football team.

Souness lives in his own head, can't understand that styles and tactics change. No wonder he didn't do anything outside of a duopoly dominated league as a manager.

@thierryhenry674

Ай бұрын

He is clueless😂 “Our people were the best mathematicians in the Stone Age. We could do addition and multiplication. Nothing has changed through the years. Why are our people not the best scientists in the modern world?”

@leepatrick9432

Ай бұрын

What did he say that suggested he can't understand styles and tactics change ?

@antoniobrandao7139

Ай бұрын

When managing Benfica, Souness released Deco because he thought he didn't have the physicality to become a top player and prefered to bring an old Michael Thomas because he was built like a tractor. There lies part of the problem with English (British) managers in a nutshell. :)

@italianplastic23

Ай бұрын

At not one time has 'tactics changed' been an excuse to drop a certain type of person out of a sport. football is not fashion and never before has every team had to conform to the same tactic or else ....like snobs seem to think should happen any decent moment in these modern day chess games come when a team breaks out of their tactic and goes for it. money won those leagues anyway.

@leepatrick9432

Ай бұрын

@@antoniobrandao7139 And Wenger wanted Zlatan to have a trial.There are numerous cases where players that went on to have a great career were let go,rejected at the outset For the same reasons Souness gave and by managers/coaches of every nationality.Nice try though

English managers won't succeed until they understand that football ain't about your name or former club,you need to evolve and embrace the winning way like Pep,Klopp and Tuchel.English managers still think the Fergie way of coaching is the template for success.

They forgot Howard Wilkinson who won it with Leeds.

Hold on Moyes won the Europa Conference that was a European competition with big clubs in it such disprespect!!

@gule55

Ай бұрын

Moyes is from Scotland, not England, the discussion is about English coaches.

@richuk69

Ай бұрын

@@gule55 wtf is Souness talking about Jock Stein for then? I thought it was British managers 🤦🏽‍♂️

Typical of the country. English Football had a renaissance when the Premier League began, but it became global. Foreign Players, Foreign Manager, Foreign Owners, and anything English being marginalised. This doesn't necessarily happen in other leagues across Europe.

Mike Bassett knew what he was doing with 4-4-2

I've always felt its because there's a need for English managers to behave....to be polite, courteous, PR darlings.....when we know some of the best managers are so because they are large personalities, they inspire those around them, and they don't always tow the line. We don't have people like that at that level. Yes, we've had managers like Allardyce, or now Dyche, who are outspoken, but they are lacking the other qualities. We have Southgate, Howe, Potter....managers like that who are far too nice.

Its partly because, for good or for bad, we decided to sell off the premier league, like we have with london and much of this countries industry. Make of it what you will but that is a large contributor. We dont protect or ‘cradle’ our assets, depending on your perspective

For me its very simple, there can't be another SAF because the game as moved on beyond pure man management. You need tacticans and hence it comes down to education. How good is the education of coaches in England?

Joe fagan 1984european cup winner after clough

Rodolfo Borrell has potential he spent a lot of time under Pep

Ohh simon lol 8:15 ahh the felt good! and you enjoyed it too! well said they need to hear this wake up to the real facts hehe

Got your info wrong Jim, the last English manager to win the big cup was Sir Bob Paisley, the best of them all.!! County Durham’s finest.!!

Sir Bobby and Venables were great managers

What has Fergie and them been doing all those years of dominance and impact and inspiring the league. Couldn't inspire not one coach or style of play over all those decades?

@markn7519

Ай бұрын

That's one of the reasons people rate Pep higher than him

@Adi-Dassler

Ай бұрын

On the other hand you have managers trying to play the “Pep way” without having the players to do it and end up getting pumped left and right. I know, my team is one of them!!

@rakimrobinsonMCFC

Ай бұрын

@Adi-Dassler maybe they should try the Fergie way, the jose way, the Wenger way? Why hasn't anyone adopted anything from these guys ? . Arsenal, Brighton, Aston Villa, Tottenham, Brighton all play his style. United have nothing, so they are trying to copy everything City, That's the leagues top 8 clubs. Barring liverpools Gegenpressing employed by klopp, they all play a version of Peps style. English Players will only get technically better, and English coaches will have to develop tactically with the times.

@Adi-Dassler

Ай бұрын

@@rakimrobinsonMCFC I was more referring to much lower levels. My team --Dundee United, are now relegated and playing some of the most boring tippy tappy, out from the back stuff I've seen during my lifetime. Whether that's inspired by Guardiola or not you would have to ask the coach.

@rakimrobinsonMCFC

Ай бұрын

@Adi-Dassler it looks like that now because it's not the English kick and run, rugby football that they're used to. It will take time for the players to develop...It is a shift in English footballing philosophy.

Why doesn't jim mclean get mentioned

Del Bosque schooled Ferguson on few occassions & dominated European football with multiple Champions League. He went on to win the World Cup with Spain too but he's never rated like Fergie, English PR is the best in the world cause media & its fans live in a bubble praising each other. Pep broke that bubble & Wenger couldn't(he was too soft), even Mourinho broke that bubble.

@futurez12

Ай бұрын

So the two who supposedly 'broke that bubble' were also the two backed by billionaires with endless pits of money to throw at their teams? OK, hun.

@decode3667

Ай бұрын

@@futurez12 What are you on about? Wasn't MUFC outspending most clubs, especially EPL clubs. In fact, Del Bosque won multiple CL with a broke Real Madrid & Raul. Only after Perez became president did he get sacked & galactico era started, won only 1 CL.

@pjduff7577

Ай бұрын

​@@decode3667the team in 2000 had Redondo anelka r Carlos and McMananam, the 2002 team had Carlos Figo Zidane a good portion of the galaticos and del bosque was sacked in 2003

@decode3667

Ай бұрын

@@pjduff7577 From 1998 to 2002, most of the team was cheap players & academy players, only few were known super stars. After 2002, Perez prioritized galacticos to make Real Madrid a financial brand monster, which ruined the balance of the team but they won 1 CL & multiple league titles. Again, Del Bosque never gets mentioned in the same level as Ferguson. That's my point, Fergie is a bit overrated & over hyped.

@kaypakaipa8559

Ай бұрын

@@futurez12Mourinho won Champions League and League titles in Portugal with Porto, and then again with Inter Milan! Which billionaires were backing those teams at the level of Abramovich and City? Relax

You cannot bring someone on another era and wonder how they would behave. If they have the same character and were born in this era they will blend in with this generation.

Sir bobby won it all home and abroad. well not all but titles in Holland and Portugal

How many English managers have even won the Premier League?

When was the last time you heard Real Barca, the Milans etc come in for an English coach let alone win the PL, old British coaches like souness need to move on with the times.

dithering dave moyes is the best ever manager in the world ,,,,He proved it at Man U,,, a success wading through the cold rivers of austria for pre season training.

Nevermind a European trophy what about the Premier league which is more important. Over 30 years since an English manager won the league and no English manager as won the Premier league since it was named

I agree with Simon English coaches have not been good enough. The last generally talented coach was Redknapp - he actually won the Fa Cup! Southgate for all the hype has won - ZERO and they will not win euros unless Bellingham is player of the tournament and drags them there himself. Kane will score of course but he has to step up as Captain and not just do it through scoring a few goals but by yanking up his teammates

I agree with Simon, generally (with some exceptions) English managers have simply not been good enough.

How many non-English managers did Simon Jordan hire when he was a chairman?

Wasn't TONY BARTON ENGLISH. VILLA 82 EUROPEAN CUP WIN

@jonhayes7322

Ай бұрын

Correct. Ron Saunders was English having won the 81 league title

The problem is we get situations like Eddie Howe gets top4 and Talksport generally lead the “hes their Mark Hughes, they need a big name” Not to say he is elite but the media are just waiting for English managers to fail and dont give them the time to develop/learn before theyre ready to rip them apart

@abody499

Ай бұрын

no, the problem is english people just dont understand the game as much as other europeans.

@jamesbothoms6009

Ай бұрын

@@abody499yeah totally there’s no deluded Real, Barca, Milan or Juve fans 😂 honestly the cognitive dissonance in the comments section on here is amazing 🤦🏻

@abody499

Ай бұрын

​ @jamesbothoms6009 you have never had an original thought in ur life. this is exactly why what i said is true. neither delusion nor cognitive dissonance has any relevance to what i said. ur just parroting terms you've seen someone else parrot with no idea what they mean. this is england.

Funny how he's saying the old school managers would of thrived today when he loses his Y-fronts if managers he dislikes run up and down the touch line...

The big clubs generally don't hire English managers

@zWelshyxX

Ай бұрын

Because they are poor.

@ivanaleksandartsanev1693

Ай бұрын

Who and where are these English managers? Can you say who the top 5 English managers are right now? Howe, Dyche, O'Neil, Wilder and Southgate. It's a list of mediocre to average at best managers.

@guyverjay1289

Ай бұрын

@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693- calm down chum, it wasn't a complaint, just an observation

@kaypakaipa8559

Ай бұрын

Why would they hire relegation level managers if they want to win the league???? Gerrard Lampard Rooney have failed and are clueless, yet these are elite footballers who played under great managers and played with amazing foreign players! Xabi played with Gerrard in midfield, yet look at what he is doing at Leverkusen, Xavi already won Laliga, Arteta FA Cup and is competing for league now 2yrs running! Which English managers have the quality to Lead Chelsea Liverpool United Arsenal to win trophies? Zero

@markiec8914

Ай бұрын

​@ivanaleksandartsanev16Are we talking about the very same G Southgate, a "top" English manager who specialized in getting teams relegated?

Bob Paisley and Joe Fagan were more recent than Clough.

Change talksport to stories of the past with souness

There is no world class English manager in last 30 - 40 years .

Jordan has never kicked a ball in his life and he's going head to head with Souness ... really??? lol

Unai Emery is currently the best PL manager in the PL

@v4victory39

Ай бұрын

No

@jonhayes7322

Ай бұрын

@@v4victory39 He’s the 3rd most decorated manager in terms of UEFA honours; took over when Villa were in 17th, they’re now 4th; gave Pep his most emphatic beat down; beat Arsenal; beat spurs; net spend is nominal; still has championship players ie players bought by Steve Bruce in McGinn and Mings in the squad… context

If you keep looking backwards you won't go forwards. Why do they spend so much on St. George's Park? Couldn't they identify and train the next crop of English managers there?

@pjduff7577

Ай бұрын

How do you train managers ? 🤣🤣🤣 clough and Fergie hardly ever took training, klopp was a very mediocre player and jose was he ever a player ,you either have it or you don't, yes you can be a great coach but it doesn't make you a great manager, there are exceptions of course

Because we're a complacent bunch. We seem to leave too many things to chance.

Gareth southgate england manager ...says it all..

English managers are not technically good enough . Pailsley and Clough were the best we had ,and it will remain that way.

Old school English managers were (are) stuck in time. Maybe they don't want to learn with others, maybe they don't think they need to evolve, maybe there's and element of arrogance or just lack of capacity to take the next step. Now with this new generation of English coaches, it is a mystery why they lack quality. Take a look at Lampard/Alonso... both top players, both midfielders, both coached by the best coachs, same generation,... the only difference is that Alonso played in several countries and Lampard didn't. One is terrible, the other seems to be the next big thing.

Foreign managers can work anywhere in the world. English managers stay doggedly in England. No English manager has been successful abroad apart from bobby Robson.

@johna7411

21 күн бұрын

Terry Venebles did well at Barcelona. Roy Hodgson was another who did well.

English managers at the top of the modern game is a non starter. For one they're usually some ex footballer taught by another ex footballer who has never been shown there's a bit more to it than " get in their faces get stuck in " In other words their training is non existent . Pardew Allardyce Pulis and Potter are the type and there's no chance with that heritage.

How about Bill Nicholson? 🤷🏼‍♂️ no mention

English players who often then become managers lack the tactical nouse the likes of the Spanish have. You only have to listen to some of the pundits who are ex players. The drivel they spout is embarrassing at times. Foreign players seem to be far more intelligent both on and off the pitch. There's no reason England couldn't do well with players like Foden, Maddison, Kane available but it's a lack of nouse from the coaches. Foden is a great player for City, and benefits from having a Spanish coach, and players around him like De bryune and Silva etc. Put him in an England side where no one is quite sure what to do and where to go, then he's not as half as effective as he is for City. I think we've lost a bit of aggression from the English game too and international matches are sometimes a shock to them like when we meet teams from Central America or Africa. We often get bullied in matches now (Belgium were fare more physical than us tonight) and I think our refs and the PL have made our game softer in comparison to other countries. And if we can't compete physically we need to learn how to milk fouls a bit better like Germany have down down the years when playing the likes of Argentina and Cameroon.

Jock Stien, he never managed in England though!

Simple solution: study Italian managers. They’ve been wining in the Prem for years. And I’m not even talking about the big ones. Have a look at Ranieri and Di Matteo.

I wld have much preferred to hear simon debate this question with Danny Murphy or Martin O'Neil. Souness takes 1 sec to make a take and then that's his take for he rest of his life, no matter how nonsensical it is. what in the world was he even talking about?!

When's the last time a English manager won the league

@kaypakaipa8559

Ай бұрын

1992😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@badabing8884

Ай бұрын

Howard Wilkinson with Leeds