Simon Jordan & Danny Murphy DEBATE Why An English Manager Hasn't Finished In The Top 3 In 20 Years 😤

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  • @SamWill1999
    @SamWill19999 ай бұрын

    Punditry is bigger than ever and bigger in England than any other European country. Ex English pros would rather be pundits. Get paid to sit on the sidelines and launch low-stakes criticisms rather than actually having to risk their reputation by becoming a manager

  • @loudmouthdiaries5188

    @loudmouthdiaries5188

    9 ай бұрын

    They are not very good 😕 Hence punditry

  • @gillie-monger3394

    @gillie-monger3394

    9 ай бұрын

    I now live in Spain and punditry here is far bigger, more vicious and more partisan than anything in the UK. You need to get out a lot more.

  • @SamWill1999

    @SamWill1999

    9 ай бұрын

    do they get paid more in Spain than in England? @@gillie-monger3394

  • @AshBashSneakers

    @AshBashSneakers

    9 ай бұрын

    @@gillie-monger3394which top Spanish players are doing it?

  • @LudiCrust.

    @LudiCrust.

    9 ай бұрын

    The problem is 75% of them are horrible pundits. They’re good for laughs & making fun more than actual insight. Jamie Redknapp, or better yet, Gabby Agbonlahor is the perfect example. Danny Murphy is one of the best but he hardly has the platform Redknapp & Agbonlahor have because he’s not hilariously foolish like those 2.

  • @lfcspectre4335
    @lfcspectre43359 ай бұрын

    You can tell Jimbo loved reading this stat at Simon & Danny.

  • @paulenglish7500

    @paulenglish7500

    9 ай бұрын

    And them hmm and aad about it until Jim asked them would you want a English manger at there club. Danny Murphy answered him before he even finished asking the question.

  • @KDJINCHURIKI
    @KDJINCHURIKI9 ай бұрын

    It’s because English managers didn’t travel the world I see different types of football most of the foreign managers have experience with different leagues and play styles

  • @GamerFrisco

    @GamerFrisco

    9 ай бұрын

    So the Nevilles should be flying in management

  • @KDJINCHURIKI

    @KDJINCHURIKI

    9 ай бұрын

    @@GamerFrisco fair point but he went out there and stunk up the gaff 😂😂

  • @KDJINCHURIKI

    @KDJINCHURIKI

    9 ай бұрын

    @@GamerFriscobut that helps my point a bit he wasn’t there for long before quitting so yet again he didn’t have that much experience

  • @denisako6493

    @denisako6493

    9 ай бұрын

    Gary Neville went to spain

  • @KDJINCHURIKI

    @KDJINCHURIKI

    9 ай бұрын

    @@denisako6493 for how long

  • @Devypocalypse
    @Devypocalypse9 ай бұрын

    The last legit elite English managers in top jobs was over 30 years ago, nothing to do with PL. The best Liverpool managers are Scottish with Paisley the anomaly (with Fagan having a year or two). Clough wasn't managing a top team past the mid 90s. Arsenal had a Scot in George Graham and then French Wenger. Man Utd had Scot Fergie. The last great English manager they had was in the 60s. The last top tier English managers were Sir Bobby and Venables. We simply haven't had the best managers ever.

  • @gillie-monger3394

    @gillie-monger3394

    9 ай бұрын

    Paisley was the most successful Liverpool manager though, to be fair.

  • @Devypocalypse

    @Devypocalypse

    9 ай бұрын

    @@gillie-monger3394 oh absolutely, but you could argue he also inherited an already monster team and built upon that. Regardless, you're still having to go back over forty years 😬 Not the most glowing summation of the standard since is it :/

  • @gillie-monger3394

    @gillie-monger3394

    9 ай бұрын

    @@Devypocalypse No it's not. But nothing wrong with inheriting a team then improving it. And Liverpool whilst being v good were not exactly "monsters" until Paisley made them so. When Pep did it at Barça he was considered a "genius". Since the arrival of the PL and the influx of vast amounts of money, football has become more of a business than football. I think if your average player even in the Championship is earning 1.65 million per year then there is far less chance of ex pros wanting to become managers. Why would a multi-millionaire want the hassle? So the 'pot' of English candidates shrinks further. The less well paid overseas pros may therefore see management as a way to prolong their earnings potential by going onto coaching. So their 'pot' of talent grows. Sorry for the long reply btw!

  • @francolive5718

    @francolive5718

    9 ай бұрын

    I always assumed paisley was Scottish because well paisley is in Scotland

  • @aestheticperfection9349

    @aestheticperfection9349

    9 ай бұрын

    Paisley was Liverpools best manager by far, 3 European cups, 1 UAFA cuP, 6 League, titles plus more in 9 seasons. Clough won leagues and European cups with Forest and leagues with Derby, absolutely amazing achievement. Tony Barton winning the European cup with Villa. Our managers were absolutely dominating Europe up until the ban and thats a fact,

  • @FurioussBear
    @FurioussBear9 ай бұрын

    English managers simply arent good enough. 😅

  • @frankbrennan1619

    @frankbrennan1619

    9 ай бұрын

    Absolutely English Managers are NOT ''good enough'' & will never be ''good enough'' when you praise the likes of Warnock, Pardew, Allardyce, Dyche, Slippy Gerard, Fat Frankie Lampard...

  • @David-vd8jy

    @David-vd8jy

    9 ай бұрын

    @@frankbrennan1619 except fat frank none of the others have had a chance at a big club bet your gran would get top 3 with man c

  • @frankbrennan1619

    @frankbrennan1619

    9 ай бұрын

    Slippy was at Aston Villa & they're huge. Bruce was at Newcastle playing dire stuff & Pardew too, Big Fat Obnoxious Sam did naff all at still ''big club'' but absolute crap Everton & same with Dyche & Warnock was at Sheffield United & although not huge, still big enough....

  • @David-vd8jy

    @David-vd8jy

    9 ай бұрын

    @@frankbrennan1619 yer but hardly man c

  • @frankbrennan1619

    @frankbrennan1619

    9 ай бұрын

    My Gran maybe, but you just wouldn't let ANY of the other mediocre rabble ANYWHERE near Manchester City.....

  • @lfcspectre4335
    @lfcspectre43359 ай бұрын

    Simon loved hiring homegrown managers doing his Crystal Palace ownership Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts

  • @joeledwards833

    @joeledwards833

    9 ай бұрын

    And look where Palace ended up😂

  • @antoniofranco6813

    @antoniofranco6813

    9 ай бұрын

    Exactly 💯

  • @thelewischessman3726
    @thelewischessman37269 ай бұрын

    English people dont understand the game as much as they think, thats the problem. I'm scottish and we have produced some of the best managers ever. Its a intelligence, personality and culture thing. Thats why the uefa courses are run in scotland. England have the best league because of the sky deal and money.

  • @Trecesolotienesdos

    @Trecesolotienesdos

    9 ай бұрын

    UEFA training courses are run in Wales. And there were as good English managers in the 1960s and 70s as there were Scottish. English clubs won European trophies long before the Premier League and Sky.

  • @MrOlliebird

    @MrOlliebird

    9 ай бұрын

    If that's true shouldn't Scottish football and national team be much better then it is

  • @RobertChase-ju9ty

    @RobertChase-ju9ty

    9 ай бұрын

    If it wasn't for SAF then this comment would be laughed at. Yet his man management was incredible, a pretty standard tactical coach but got the best out of his players individually. Now in terms of Scotland having a different culture etc that is absolute bullshit, look at where your league is and how much it's standard is degressing 😂😂. It is a total irrelevance in today's game! England and the greatest league on the planet forever living rent free in the farmers league's heads! 😂😂

  • @nickchivers9029

    @nickchivers9029

    9 ай бұрын

    We got the Sky deal and the money because our league is superior. Fergie retired 10 years ago, the best current Scottish manager is David Moyes 😂

  • @ryanflood635

    @ryanflood635

    9 ай бұрын

    @@RobertChase-ju9tyfergie brought a gun to a fist fight that’s what allowed him to be so successful, you could argue that him seeing that a gun would be useful in a fist fight was brilliance but a lot of fergies success came from being a bully.

  • @srichardson1963
    @srichardson19639 ай бұрын

    Howard Wilkinson was the last to win the top prize and that was the old English 1st Division in 92. NO English manager has Ever won the Premier league. after 30 +years.

  • @Trecesolotienesdos
    @Trecesolotienesdos9 ай бұрын

    last elite English manager was the late, great Sir Bobby Robson. Since then, it's been crap. They haven't learnt and have been stereotuyped due to the likes of Allardyce, Bruce, etc.

  • @finfog4590

    @finfog4590

    9 ай бұрын

    Well Potter is a new breed. Don’t think Lampard and Gerrard will last long. Howe is the last hope but he won’t do better than Newcastle (when they upgrade).

  • @Fumblingthroughlifeonline
    @Fumblingthroughlifeonline9 ай бұрын

    Potter, Lampard & Moyes I know he’s Scottish but! They’ve been given a go at the top jobs & they were awful. Gerrard was given a chance at villa too & got sacked. English managers like their favorites. Just look at Southgate.

  • @marksoh6185

    @marksoh6185

    9 ай бұрын

    Roy Hudson at Liverpool, Mark Hughes

  • @joecurran2811

    @joecurran2811

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@marksoh6185Remember Hodgson at the England job 😂

  • @footballsoccerx2021

    @footballsoccerx2021

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@marksoh6185Mark Hughes is Welsh not English

  • @darkvision5648
    @darkvision56489 ай бұрын

    Because ex players the top ones don't want to drop down to the Championship or league one and prove theimselves, those cold winter nights travelling to Rotherham are very off putting. They think they have a right to jump straight into a big job. NO you don't.

  • @gillie-monger3394

    @gillie-monger3394

    9 ай бұрын

    That's right. But, if you were worth say 20 - 30 million and done your time on the pitch, would you? How many of the top foreign managers who've won the PL were elite, winning players?

  • @darkvision5648

    @darkvision5648

    9 ай бұрын

    @gillie-monger3394 that's why they fail, Gerrard and Lampard both failed because they couldn't take a decent job lower down so they bomb.

  • @gillie-monger3394

    @gillie-monger3394

    9 ай бұрын

    @@darkvision5648 Lampard managed in the Championship and Gerrard managed Liverpool U21's then Rangers. Both considered to be "starting down". Again, How many of the top foreign managers who've won the PL were elite, winning players? If I was a multi millionaire ex-pro I wouldn't want the hassle of managing at any level - low or top. and I think that's why the 'pot' of English managers is so very small. I mean even a Championship player never getting to the PL is on an average of 1.65 million quid a year. Now take the average earnings playing abroad, with a few exceptions it is much much lower. So it makes sense for their ex-pro's to continue in football as coaches etc. So their talent pot is much bigger.

  • @AgentLynch616
    @AgentLynch6169 ай бұрын

    I think it’s just no Englishman wants the stress. Ex players would rather do media work now

  • @gillie-monger3394

    @gillie-monger3394

    9 ай бұрын

    Yup. Why would multi millionaire ex-players want the hassle? Much easier to sit in a warm studio with a few mates, get paid some beer money then get driven home.

  • @AgentLynch616

    @AgentLynch616

    9 ай бұрын

    @@gillie-monger3394 Chinese and Indian takeaways being delivered 😋 sound great to me

  • @gillie-monger3394

    @gillie-monger3394

    9 ай бұрын

    @@AgentLynch616 Hadn't thought of that. Even better.

  • @fvnoel5271
    @fvnoel52719 ай бұрын

    An English man has never won the premier league😢😢

  • @gillie-monger3394

    @gillie-monger3394

    9 ай бұрын

    So?

  • @unklecyril

    @unklecyril

    9 ай бұрын

    Two Scotsmen have won it 14 times.

  • @laughaway7955

    @laughaway7955

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@gillie-monger3394 😢

  • @ahmadthegreatone
    @ahmadthegreatone9 ай бұрын

    Why is the conversation about top 3 rather than top 4 which is normally the "benchmark"? Is it because Eddie Howe managed to finish 4th last year? 🤔

  • @L1am21

    @L1am21

    8 ай бұрын

    Harry Redknapp also finished 4th with spurs.

  • @michaelcain721

    @michaelcain721

    8 ай бұрын

    Frank lampard also took chelsea to 4th while they had a transfer ban and young squad who had never played in the top flight before. Frank isn’t the best manager but I think it’s very harsh that people overlook this part of his career

  • @tt99football56
    @tt99football569 ай бұрын

    Is it a coincidence the last one Sir Bobby Robson went to different countries? This surely helped improve him as a manager. Also one thing I'll say about English managers since, how many have actually been at clubs that could get top 3? Only a few were ever good enough, but most never showed they were. The thing to which makes it look worse to, is there comparing them to every non English manager. If you say there's been 10 German managers & 10 French for example, how many ever made top 3?

  • @dennisstaines8005
    @dennisstaines80059 ай бұрын

    There is a simpler answer they are not good enough. Sir Bobby was the best english manager prior to the last 20 years and it was no surprise he did well at Barcelona and taught Jose his trade. Not every outstanding player can make it as a manager just look at the Neville boys, some would say they were not that good as players.

  • @dannytallmage2971

    @dannytallmage2971

    9 ай бұрын

    This is not the answer given when browns aren’t represented in high profile positions so I know it can’t be the correct and is likely offered out of sexual jealousy.

  • @fvnoel5271

    @fvnoel5271

    9 ай бұрын

    The simple answer as to why no English man has won Premier league is that we are not good enough. The average English managers still play the game as we did in the 60s. The English concept of the game is to run hard, stop the opposition and pinch a goal. Take Sean Dyche as an example.

  • @thebillryan

    @thebillryan

    9 ай бұрын

    Yes, we know their not good enough. But that's not the question. The question is why are they not good enough?

  • @fvnoel5271

    @fvnoel5271

    9 ай бұрын

    @@thebillryan They must see the game different to foreign coaches. You only have to look at Gareth Southgate way of playing, England has world class players but he cannot create a system to make them successful.

  • @bojam_83
    @bojam_839 ай бұрын

    Jim’s loving this!

  • @Jamie-bg3zb

    @Jamie-bg3zb

    8 ай бұрын

    And so he should, we keep hearing PL is best in the world but that’s nothing to do with English hahaha

  • @utuberlol
    @utuberlol9 ай бұрын

    Its not "our" league anymore its the worlds league. The best players tend to also be foreign and its been like that for a long time

  • @eL--RaL
    @eL--RaL9 ай бұрын

    I bet English dudes will now become Eddie Howe fans in the section.. They'll start saying Eddie Howe 😂😂

  • @geordiechris121

    @geordiechris121

    9 ай бұрын

    Facts are facts tho 🤷

  • @dancmartin8899
    @dancmartin88999 ай бұрын

    Refreshing to see people with a difference of opinion discuss without a thin skin and with a massive element of good humour. Love it lads!

  • @DarrenBates
    @DarrenBates9 ай бұрын

    Some clubs are genuinely scarred by their experience with English managers. Liverpool went for Hodgson and as much as I respect the man, it wasn't a good fit and I think it scarred them enough to not go down that avenue again.

  • @jh230377
    @jh2303779 ай бұрын

    Danny ‘ I don’t know what you’re shaking your head at?’ Murphy 😅😅😅

  • @markoconnell6111
    @markoconnell61119 ай бұрын

    Top 3 to avoid having to include Eddie Howe last season, Harry redknapp 10 years ago off the top of my head. Click bait

  • @LeWacoKid

    @LeWacoKid

    9 ай бұрын

    Last English manager to win a cup was Harry Redknapp and last to win the top flight league was 1992. Shocking coaches.

  • @avaDD

    @avaDD

    9 ай бұрын

    Newcastle was 4th last season

  • @tt99football56

    @tt99football56

    9 ай бұрын

    I remember the big deal they made about Howe getting 4th, soon they'll say no English manager has finished 2nd or won the league since.

  • @RSSP2000

    @RSSP2000

    9 ай бұрын

    The broader point of English managers being behind the other big countries is still valid

  • @mcdelive
    @mcdelive24 күн бұрын

    When Gareth Southgate is your most elite coach, you are in trouble 😅

  • @arranmelaugh5606
    @arranmelaugh56069 ай бұрын

    Betting shops, golf courses and pubs Simon! Let’s have it right!

  • @corvus2512
    @corvus25129 ай бұрын

    They are being a bit short sighted, when Simon asked in regards to Serie A “are they the best league and do their clubs dominate in Europe?”…. Right now, no the Italian league has fallen but 15 years ago? 20 years ago? Absolutely Serie A was one of the top leagues on the planet with teams regularly dominating Europe and those teams were often times managed by ITALIANS which is exactly what this conversation is about. If the stat line was ‘in the last 10 seasons’ the easy answer would be because the global dominance of the Premier League, but just over 10 years ago it was La Lisa and Serie A that were the shining lights of football and still no English managers finished top 3.

  • @LilHazTV
    @LilHazTV9 ай бұрын

    5:18 who’s it embarrassing to 😂😂😂 the FA that’s it, it’s not even embarrassing to be fair it’s just a a pointless argument that Jim is bringing up again

  • @StillLaughinEnt
    @StillLaughinEnt9 ай бұрын

    Imagine all foreign managers left at the end of the season and prem clubs said they only hiring English…who do you think would get the top jobs?

  • @ryanflood635

    @ryanflood635

    9 ай бұрын

    It wouldn’t take long to be the same as it is now. With The odd exception of Pep and probably Klopp that couldn’t be replaced

  • @finfog4590

    @finfog4590

    9 ай бұрын

    Wouldn’t even be able to name more than 4… The standard of football probably won’t be good.

  • @StillLaughinEnt

    @StillLaughinEnt

    9 ай бұрын

    @@finfog4590 what can be done to change it? Wish I stuck to football coaching

  • @finfog4590

    @finfog4590

    9 ай бұрын

    @@StillLaughinEnt I’m not sure cos I think the foreign ownership of clubs has something to do with it - they prefer non-British. But, I’d say go abroad. It’s the same issue but there are jobs outside of England.

  • @finfog4590
    @finfog45909 ай бұрын

    England national team hadn’t won anything for 57 years, their players and coaches rarely go abroad…the ‘The English Way’ isn’t all that. I’d love to see English managers managing foreign champions league teams against English teams, it’ll be amazing.

  • @michaelcain721
    @michaelcain7218 ай бұрын

    Alan shearer hit the nail on the head after England got knocked out by Iceland in 2016, “we’re blinded by our premier league, we think it’s the best in the world for talent. It’s not. We’re completely reliant on foreign players and foreign managers, we’re not as good as we think we are”

  • @Jamie-bg3zb

    @Jamie-bg3zb

    8 ай бұрын

    Spot on mate

  • @phutimasipa9225
    @phutimasipa92259 ай бұрын

    This is such a weird and unnecessarily long way to say they're not good enough

  • @terrya8989
    @terrya89899 ай бұрын

    Danny going on about qualifications, Postecoglou doesn't have one of these 'qualifications' to coach in Europe. That's probably why he is so good.

  • @tom4115

    @tom4115

    8 ай бұрын

    Ange is as qualified as one can be. He’s just from a different confederation.

  • @Stataze
    @Stataze9 ай бұрын

    Bruce is the perfect example of what Simon is talking about players under him had to ask the ownership to train more. Some hired their own personal trainers.

  • @kevinpillay6103
    @kevinpillay61039 ай бұрын

    Are any of the biggest clubs in England owned by English people? Simon is right. The English PL is just geographical thing run by foreigners.

  • @himalayanwandererrr
    @himalayanwandererrr9 ай бұрын

    Stop asking this question to English Pundits. You all not good enough, mate!!!

  • @MrJonnyl123
    @MrJonnyl1239 ай бұрын

    Southgate will change that

  • @chrislacey8776
    @chrislacey87769 ай бұрын

    The same Frank Lampard that you kept espousing the virtues of based on nothing, meanwhile routinely slating Solskjaer who's stats were actually better

  • @Severloh1944
    @Severloh19449 ай бұрын

    The best 2 English managers in the last 20 years was Bobby Robson and Roy Hodgeson. The criticism they got was way over the top

  • @ad6892

    @ad6892

    9 ай бұрын

    Brendan rogers..

  • @callumlomax456

    @callumlomax456

    9 ай бұрын

    @@ad6892not English 😂😂

  • @lukelocks9083

    @lukelocks9083

    9 ай бұрын

    Venables was better than Hodgson.

  • @Severloh1944

    @Severloh1944

    9 ай бұрын

    @@lukelocks9083 Venables is a good shout. I forgot about him

  • @lukelocks9083

    @lukelocks9083

    9 ай бұрын

    @@Severloh1944 You're welcome.

  • @geraldconvey9348
    @geraldconvey93489 ай бұрын

    From an English man that is a horrible stat

  • @geordiechris121
    @geordiechris1219 ай бұрын

    Eddie Howe will

  • @oliverwoodcock5307
    @oliverwoodcock53079 ай бұрын

    How many top jobs in that particular time frame (where a top three finish is expected) were given to Englishman? Also, Danny makes a great point. As an evertonian I've always felt big Dunc and David Unnsworth should have been given the chance.

  • @clipped6963
    @clipped69639 ай бұрын

    Saying Southgate is the right man cus he took us to a semi and final in how long is NOT good enough. All you need to do is add context went 1-0 up to Croatia sit back and loose. 2 years later the exact same thing happened in a home final. Did he learn? No he did the EXACT same thing. It’s criminal he’s the manager

  • @rjb10101
    @rjb101019 ай бұрын

    English managers now have to learn 17 languages to manage in England now....

  • @davidcunningham9282
    @davidcunningham92829 ай бұрын

    i'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact most of the players are not english

  • @Billy-fo1hq
    @Billy-fo1hq9 ай бұрын

    What a fascinating subject.. the media? Mentality? Very interesting.

  • @xBenjamin18

    @xBenjamin18

    9 ай бұрын

    Billy, your mother is waiting for your help with the cleaning. She’s asked you twice now it’s really not good enough. No ps5 for you tonight.

  • @Billy-fo1hq

    @Billy-fo1hq

    9 ай бұрын

    @@xBenjamin18 are you ok?

  • @SuperMillwall
    @SuperMillwall8 ай бұрын

    In fairness.. Man Utd and Arsenal both had long term managers in Ferguson and Wenger, so that was 2 big clubs tied up. That then leaves you with Chelsea and Liverpool, when Chelsea got the money around 2003, they didn’t appoint an English manager until 2019! So that’s 3 top clubs in England who were all tied down with foreign managers. Liverpool had Houllier for 6 years followed by Benítez for 6 years and then Hodgson got the job. Man City once they got the money only chose foreign managers as well and they’ve been tied down with Pep for quite some time now. So it’s hardly surprising to see an English manager not in Top 3 when they weren’t even given a chance. Granted in recent years they HAVE been given a chance.. Potter, Lampard and Howe for example.. But it hasn’t always been like that. Howe is easily the best English manager we have in this country. Was superb at Bournemouth and is going an incredible job at Newcastle as well.

  • @romaricalexander701
    @romaricalexander7019 ай бұрын

    The game has moved on from winning on aggression and long balls and has moved on to become more of a technical science foreign coaches are more detailed in approach in regards to playing style.

  • @Matthew-bu7fg
    @Matthew-bu7fg9 ай бұрын

    because they don't get the opportunity, simple (well, the good ones don't). Jurgen Klopp did well with Mainz so Dortmund took a chance on him. Carlo Ancelotti did well at Reggiana and Parma, prompting Juventus to take a chance. Diego Simeone impressed at Catania and Racing club - in came Atletico. Jose Mourinho had to ply his trade at Union de Leira before Porto came in. Eddie Howe got Bournemouth from the depths of league two before he got a chance anywhere and even then it was at Newcastle who miraculously finished 4th last season. Graham Potter had to do well at three clubs before getting his big break - sadly for him it was the dysfunctional Chelsea. Sam Allardyce had to qualify Bolton for Europe in order to get a chance elsewhere and it was at a Newcastle side in decline. Sean Dyche's only opportunity since Burnley has been the absolute nightmare that is Everton right now. Then you get Lampard - granted not the best opportunities - but what has he done to earn one? Gerrard getting an opportunity at a progressive Villa side (and squandering it). The only English managers that get some kind of opportunities are those that had a great playing career, NOT a great managerial career

  • @nadeemamode
    @nadeemamode9 ай бұрын

    7:03 Succession planning is also known as the bootroom @talksport when i started following liverpool at the time, Gerard Houllier was recruited as the successor to Roy Evans, abolishing the bootroom tradition The success of arsene wenger was the catalyst, but liverpool was next I wish simon asked Danny what he thought of Liverpool's choice at time he himself was a youngster playing alongside stevie g; coincidentally a bootroom candidate

  • @SLM3573
    @SLM35739 ай бұрын

    the myopia is amazing, Italy had Inter in the champions league final only beaten by a team owned by a country. The Premier league has all the money and will choose whatever it wants to win regardless of nationality. English coaches will succeed through oppotunism rather than talent. Potter had a chance but its gone now probably forever, Dyche, Moyes will never get top 4 jobs and who are the coaches to step up there really arent many because the money dictates you cant take chances on coaches who are unproven at the top level. It would probably be easier for an English coach to go abroad manage a team in top 4 leagues do well and then get a job at a top 4 club because it rarely happens organically

  • @jab-gn3sw
    @jab-gn3sw9 ай бұрын

    The best players & managers in the premiership,sadly we have got good managers here

  • @NoxiousRob
    @NoxiousRob9 ай бұрын

    Only 6 in the Premier League this season, and 4 of those are at clubs currently in the bottom 6 so likely to reduce further depending on the nationality of the managers of the promoted clubs next season. Also, Roy Hodson is likely to retire again at the end of the season, so you could easily be looking at only 3 or 4 English managers next season.

  • @languageoffootball

    @languageoffootball

    9 ай бұрын

    6/20 isn’t that bad, not far off a third. It’s the best league in a world wide sport so the potential talent pool is huge.

  • @calvin3745
    @calvin37459 ай бұрын

    Eddie Howe would have if man United didn’t pay the refs

  • @tumusiimefrank6651

    @tumusiimefrank6651

    9 ай бұрын

    LoL..he will be fired at the end of the season

  • @arsenalogist4285
    @arsenalogist42859 ай бұрын

    Because English managers don't understand tactics

  • @antoniofranco6813

    @antoniofranco6813

    9 ай бұрын

    Correct it is all about tactics and strategy formation

  • @kingjams
    @kingjams9 ай бұрын

    Simple, English managers are just not good enough. If Southgate is so good let him manage Manchester United and you'll see what happens.

  • @EST1865
    @EST18659 ай бұрын

    Coops ❤ from Wales

  • @corfie
    @corfie9 ай бұрын

    As a coach from The Isle of Man for me to do my UEFA badges I'd have to go to England. Spain and Germany offer better courses and are longer than the English courses, most British coaches have done their badges through the Wales FA, there's a reason why clubs look at German and Spanish coaches.

  • @thetopfootycoach
    @thetopfootycoach9 ай бұрын

    As someone who has managed a football team, the problem is actually the FA. Coaching courses are incredibly expensive and highly geared to allowing basically only ex-footballers to become coaches in the main. It's just ridiculous, it's also why you won't see an Asian manager in our lifetimes, because none of them are footballers. So what are you left with? Idiots like Gerrard and Lampard fast tracked into jobs because they 'done the badges' when just listening to them speak would have told you all you needed to know about their acumen for actually managing people.

  • @philipprice7155
    @philipprice71559 ай бұрын

    Spot on again Simon

  • @allenmartinalmeida4728
    @allenmartinalmeida47289 ай бұрын

    It’s not just coaches .. even the players ..

  • @nicholaswalker4791
    @nicholaswalker47919 ай бұрын

    This is literally a nothing debate. Nobody is saying "We don't want a manager to make us better...but only if he's English". This is literally just trying to rile up a few old fashioned views with no substance behind the argument.

  • @y1521t21b5
    @y1521t21b58 ай бұрын

    Not mentioning _Jürgen Klopp_ in that same breath is a glaring omission. He has earned that level of respect.

  • @TribalScan.
    @TribalScan.9 ай бұрын

    Because English managers are not THAT guy. Simple as

  • @laurasands8322
    @laurasands83229 ай бұрын

    When Southgate leaves the England job I'm certain that Liverpool or Man City will get rid of Klopp or Pep and install him as manager, he's a dead cert to win lots of trophies so we just have to wait.

  • @Thegoldentrowel
    @Thegoldentrowel9 ай бұрын

    Brilliant this show

  • @raymondbutler834
    @raymondbutler8349 ай бұрын

    That's because the Foreign Managers and Foreign Players help Transform the Premier League on a weekly, monthly, annual basis.

  • @jackyoung7097
    @jackyoung70979 ай бұрын

    I think football clubs should be recruiting from elite universities. Try to get leaders that will be titans of industry to consider going into management. So much of football is about systems, nutrition, training methods. You need someone with hard work ethic and leadership and inspirational. The football tactics can be learnt

  • @chrishaswell4405

    @chrishaswell4405

    9 ай бұрын

    That's the football director or CEO route .. it'll be very difficult to get none football managers because they can't see the game like football managers e.g make adjustments mid game realise when and where u are vulnerable etc etc you are effectively talking about the position of football director who takes control of off pitch duties and then employ a head coach for football duties basically manage the manager which a lot of clubs already do

  • @lesblakeman
    @lesblakeman9 ай бұрын

    Pep Guardiola was Barca reserve team coach , the Barca hierarchy took a chance and gave him the top job , it worked out well , but he did have Messi

  • @nightman_cometh9367

    @nightman_cometh9367

    9 ай бұрын

    He also got rid of Ronaldinho and Deco and was called mad at the time. People said Xavi and Iniesta couldn't play together. Pep changed it all. I accept that he had a world-class squad at his disposal, though.

  • @russellward4624

    @russellward4624

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@nightman_cometh9367that finished 3rd in a 2 team league before he took over. The reason he got the job at all was because they were a mess.

  • @28hipster
    @28hipster9 ай бұрын

    My opinion the problem because the English are so obsessed with this self given title of “best league in the world” that they’re determined to get as they say the best in business of managers instead of focusing on building their own countrymen up. All these other top leagues give opportunities to their countrymen and their players as they don’t have to buy their way to the top.

  • @gillie-monger3394

    @gillie-monger3394

    9 ай бұрын

    It's not the "English" problem at all. It is however, the problem with the various businesses that own and run the PL. The PL is a business not sport as such. That just happens to be the product that is being sold. That being the case, any good business will buy the best in class' that that they can afford to increase returns / profits.

  • @Fumblingthroughlifeonline

    @Fumblingthroughlifeonline

    9 ай бұрын

    That’s not the problem at all. The competition & money in the premier league is so insane that if you’re a club owner you haven’t got the opportunity to give someone a chance. You have to get the best you can get.

  • @paulduncan789

    @paulduncan789

    9 ай бұрын

    Absolutely right, I've been saying this for years. Clubs in England look at foreign managers who have done reasonably well in their own countries and then hire them. Rather than looking for an equivalent English manager. But, as has been pointed out, it isn't a premier league club's responsibility to give English mangers a chance. I don't like it but I get it. They aren't obligated to hire English just because I think it would be "nice".

  • @bigheadedm
    @bigheadedm9 ай бұрын

    Chelsea had Graham Rodger’s and he SCREWED up big time!

  • @billybobthornton9668

    @billybobthornton9668

    9 ай бұрын

    @bigheadedm I blame Brendan Potter myself 🤷

  • @bigheadedm

    @bigheadedm

    9 ай бұрын

    @@billybobthornton9668 🤣🤣🤣Graham Potter!

  • @soccerprophet6495
    @soccerprophet64959 ай бұрын

    Shortest Football joke :Good English coach

  • @johnjames4681
    @johnjames46819 ай бұрын

    Scotland England and Wales (Steve Cooper)

  • @Jay-kk1ee
    @Jay-kk1ee9 ай бұрын

    Its because kids in england used to be hardworking and tough natured (post war Britain), now most kids just play video games and are so sheltered - less grit / determination and motivation to get better and change. Playing toget away from a life in the coal mines is different from the motivation to get away from a life playing playstation. These players then had theyough character to go on and manage - bob paisley, joe fagen, clough, etc…

  • @denvernadar723
    @denvernadar7239 ай бұрын

    The British think it is the English players that make the English Premier League so great. It the Foreign... players and managers that make it as exciting as it is... just watch England play....

  • @silversurfer9698
    @silversurfer96989 ай бұрын

    Here we go now we are gonna get into this.... long story short they are all garbish 😂😂💯

  • @thecarrotmonster8827
    @thecarrotmonster88279 ай бұрын

    Sir Bobby and Roy Hodgson managed top clubs abroad. They opened their minds and were open to new things and different ways of working. They didn't have the misplaced arrogance of a Big Sam or Steve Bruce. David Moyes looks like he learned something when in Spain because he's came back a far better manager. Simons got a point, get off the golf course ffs! And learn something useful.

  • @shenanigans9604
    @shenanigans96049 ай бұрын

    Redknapp got close with Tottenham

  • @purehyperbole5727
    @purehyperbole57279 ай бұрын

    You had guys like Allardyce pocketing millions for turning up for work on a Thursday. Stealing a living.

  • @lankystreakofpiss4765
    @lankystreakofpiss47658 ай бұрын

    How many English managers have had the opportunity to manage the top 6 teams compared to foreign managers?

  • @ninopap7677
    @ninopap76779 ай бұрын

    Didn't Eddie Howe finished in top four last season?

  • @gillie-monger3394

    @gillie-monger3394

    9 ай бұрын

    Sshhh! That's not the Jock narrative here. So sshhh. 🤫

  • @Jamie-bg3zb

    @Jamie-bg3zb

    8 ай бұрын

    @@gillie-monger3394the point was top three not top four dumpling and jock narrative lol ? It’s a fact just because you don’t like facing it doesn’t make it false, Simon is English and said it how it is so don’t come out with nonsense.

  • @khh4120
    @khh41209 ай бұрын

    Brendon Rogers,Liverpool

  • @avisionofsorrow
    @avisionofsorrow9 ай бұрын

    At one point, italian football was the biggest, best with the most money. They've always had the best managers. The issue is with the English.

  • @robzombie5928
    @robzombie59289 ай бұрын

    The best clubs can apppint anyone they like, they have the best chance to be at the top and they havent appointed British coaches as they dont rate them. The players are also very rich now so dont need to work adter playing.

  • @aestheticperfection9349
    @aestheticperfection93499 ай бұрын

    How did English clubs completely dominate Europe in the 70s and 80s (up until the ban) without any continental coaches or players?

  • @LudiCrust.
    @LudiCrust.9 ай бұрын

    @3:13 Simon speaking truth

  • @New-ye2fl
    @New-ye2fl9 ай бұрын

    Howe is easily best English manager about atm

  • @tufflikeLK
    @tufflikeLK9 ай бұрын

    Name any English manger finishing first in any country for the last 30 yrs? One guy did it in early 90s in Portugal.

  • @alexjay7612

    @alexjay7612

    9 ай бұрын

    Steve McClaren,Twente,Netherlands,2010

  • @unklecyril
    @unklecyril9 ай бұрын

    All the greatest managers have never kicked a ball, but are on KZread telling how it should be done.

  • @nickgower8681
    @nickgower86819 ай бұрын

    Howard Wilkinson, leeds united

  • @MKLDNGR
    @MKLDNGR9 ай бұрын

    Pep and Klopp have been long time here, they can get British passport, problem solved, lol

  • @arranmelaugh5606
    @arranmelaugh56069 ай бұрын

    Top 3 to suit this narrative 🙄

  • @leonpalmer2429
    @leonpalmer24299 ай бұрын

    Fact is majority of English people are not brought up with a win at all costs mentality.

  • @danielrobins6497
    @danielrobins64979 ай бұрын

    Eddie almost and should've finished 3rd last season

  • @enkaan1676
    @enkaan16769 ай бұрын

    Because English managers pander to the footballers. Player power is too much. Foreign coaches Dont take crap from players and chairman back them.

  • @dennispepperack2973
    @dennispepperack29739 ай бұрын

    Mike Bassett: England Manager ;-)

  • @scottmatthews5650
    @scottmatthews56509 ай бұрын

    Why only top 3? Top 4 would make sense. Eddie Howe last season

  • @maxvain
    @maxvain9 ай бұрын

    Does anyone outside England want English managers? I mean Gareth Southgate is your National Team manager. That alone says all you need to know.

  • @H0St1L3
    @H0St1L39 ай бұрын

    Because you don't allow scrutiny you don't promote elitist mentality You as part of the media have your own blame in this Learn to stop being biased

  • @sticksman1979
    @sticksman19799 ай бұрын

    I suspect Eddie Howe might change that.

  • @nigelnyoni8265
    @nigelnyoni82659 ай бұрын

    2:32 Simon, never afraid to tell the truth!

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