Hi Ashley, as a dedicated pedestrian & lifelong non-driver I do find your videos enormously helpful in understanding the rationale behind a lot of motoring decision making & practices. The recent debate you’ve started over the question of when to signal or not has had me puzzled on occasion & your logic is as usual impeccable however as you’ve previously pointed out nobody can be perfectly at the top of their game at all times & it is preferable to maintain ‘good habits’ rather than abandon them as it is still entirely possible that even the most observant motorist may miss seeing a pedestrian or vehicle obscured by trees/bushes, street furniture etc or other distractions & there are plenty of examples of drivers that are excessively over confident of their own skills.

@anon1903kg

Жыл бұрын

This is how I feel about it too. I agree with Ashley that there are times when not signalling is a good way to communicate with other road users (along with road "posture") and that signals shouldn't be instead of observations but it is always best to still signal correctly as we all miss something once in a while.

@kenbrown2808

Жыл бұрын

for that matter, there are also drivers who are overconfident of the other person's skills.

@radishpea6615

Жыл бұрын

@@anon1903kg How does not indicating give good communication to other road users?

@anon1903kg

Жыл бұрын

@@radishpea6615 It's specific situations, like waiting for them to go first, sometimes a signal can cause other drivers to wait for you.

@radishpea6615

Жыл бұрын

@@anon1903kg How is that a bad way to communicate, the other drivers knows what you want to do? So they wait for you, what is the problem?

My slogan for an indicator has always been, ITS NOT FOR YOU,ITS FOR EVERYONE ELSE. Cars can’t talk, we communicate with signals. Great video as always.

My driving instructor always made sure to tell me that signalling isn't always necessary, but said ALWAYS do it on the driving test, even if there's no need. So I did, but when I'm driving now I don't always signal. It makes me think, and pay more attention. He taught me the way you're teaching now. He was a great instructor, great guy.

@youknow6968

Жыл бұрын

If they're not necessary, then why did he ask you to do it on the driving test? Because they are necessary, because it's hard to judge when to do or not to do. It adds to the confusion because when it comes to individual judgment, there are too many variables. If he asked, and they all do, to pay attention to signals during a test, then signaling is very much necessary.

@TheBarefootedHuman

Жыл бұрын

@@youknow6968 Well, for example, even on a left only turn where turning right is just not possible, he said even there I should indicate on the test just to not give the examiner any excuse to fail me. But when I took PassPlus with him afterwards we got more into advanced driving techniques and he told me by law he has to teach certain things in certain ways, and told me some things he'd never teach a learner as he said he could have his ADI licence taken off him if he didn't teach to the book. He's an ex-persuit driver so knows his stuff.

@paul756uk2

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree but you'll get flack from the die hard automatons on here.

@boblawrence5011

Жыл бұрын

Therefore should we assume that other drivers are of a standard of driving to ‘get’ what we mean by just our speed, position etc? I’m not so sure. What’s the problem with signalling? Totally agree with ‘youknow’.

@chinapig71

Жыл бұрын

@@boblawrence5011 If done correctly then other drivers will always get the signal / intent because you will be doing the appropriate thing for the situation. That's te whole point. In advanced driving we are taught and expected to be able to read alot more into situations than in the DSA test. Dsa tests are rather negative, you are expected to adhere to pre established rules without reading into the situation and you will be penalised and in some instances even fail a test for using advanced techniques. That is not because they are wrong or invalid techniques, it is because they are beyond the scope of a learner undertaking basic instruction. In essence, it is to prevent pupils trying to run before they can walk. Youknow, unfortunately, doesn't know. Don't listen to him. Listen to the guy who does this for a living and is publishing the video.

Your examples for not signalling in this video were much clearer but just to clear up some of your assumptions about people who were speaking against not signalling: For me, it's got nothing to do with my instructor from over a decade ago and nothing to do with MSM. I don't signal incorrectly or where it can cause confusion about side roads etc. I don't join queues I use both lanes. I don't use signals to replace observations. I don't use signals so I can put in less mental work. I adjust my speed to conditions. I don't signal for every turn of the wheel or bend of the road. All I am saying is that it is safer to indicate than to choose not to - not incorrectly or in situations they can cause confusion. After driving in a city almost every day for over a decade, I don't trust the majority to correctly assess when it is safe to not put a signal on and I wouldn't urge them to try. Love the videos I just disagree on this one

@jimmyccam

Жыл бұрын

... and you will keep on saying that you disagree until the cows come home. Hopefully the cows will appreciate your flexible approach. Drive on, but carefully.

it's a question of mind sets. Ashley, you have the mindset that once a "routine driver" signals, they stop observing. However, it is just as likely that a "routine driver" will decide a signal isn't necessary, and stop observing. the takeaway needs to be that every signal you give another driver is an accurate and appropriate signal. because after all, how many crashes have been caused because everybody signaled correctly? I do always signal entering my driveway. partly because it is a physical reflex. I've tried to copy bad signalers, at times I've been utterly irritated at people doing "maneuver, signal, mirror" maneuvers and I find myself incapable of purposely signaling badly. on the other side of the coin, I live on a 55 MPH highway, with limited visibility, and so nearly every time I approach my driveway, the final decision whether to stop or sweep into the driveway is made in moments. because I can't see whether there will be someone to benefit from my signal until I am at the point where I decide to maneuver or wait. and if someone comes upon me from either direction, and I decide to wait, they will be able to see immediately, what my next maneuver will be. and yes, if you are following a lane, it means there isn't a need to signal. but that doesn't reduce the importance of communicating properly and clearly, even if you don't think anyone around you needs to know. so yes, I am still in the "if you use your indicator correctly, with nobody around to see it, it isn't unsafe" camp.

Hi Ash, I must admit I struggle with this one. My thinking was always, have your signal on automatically, like when turning left at an island when there's "no one there". Reason is, someone might appear who you couldn't previously see, and then they already have the benefit of your signal. However, I've previously struggled with other things you've said too. Like not flashing to let people out. Use body language. After giving that a go, it's transformed my driving in that respect. When I used to flash I'd say 60% of people knew I was letting them out. Now with body language it's 95%. Right. Out for a drive to try this signalling approach out. Knowing you Ash, it'll click and I won't go back. Thanks as always.

A half an hour lesson from Ashley!!!!! On signals. 😂 Is this his longest video on KZread? Who of you guys has been pissing Ashley off. 😂😂

@Alan_Clark

Жыл бұрын

Some of his videos are well over an hour long.

@rufusgreenleaf2466

Жыл бұрын

More of a half an hour vent because of the controversial backlash his other video got. I think Ash expected it to be just another teaching video but a lot of people took it personally.

Another great video Ashley! Passed my test this morning with 2 minors! Thanks for sharing, your videos have been a huge help 😀

@ashley_neal

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations! Keep safe!!

@WolfmanWoody

Жыл бұрын

Congratulations. And never stop learning! Realise any mistakes and try not to make them again.

@craigtw1984

Жыл бұрын

@ashley_neal thanks Ashley 👍🏽

@craigtw1984

Жыл бұрын

@@WolfmanWoody thank you 👍🏽

@PedroConejo1939

Жыл бұрын

Well done.

I'm in Ashley's camp, partly because of the way I was taught and reinforced by years of cycling in a city. On a bike you can almost always indicate your intention by road position and speed - and having both hands available to steer and brake is often more useful. Another reason people might choose to always signal: in the VW I drive the lane assist steers you back if you try to cross lane lines without signalling. The Tesla can do the same but I turn it off.

I've been trying this for about 6 months or so now, after watching an older Ashley video. I have to say it has drastically altered how I drive. At first it was really tough, a mix of breaking the autopilot of hitting the indicator when turning the wheel, but also the sheer amount of extra cognitive load. I had not realised just how little I was looking around me. I was noticing what I thought might be issues, but I wasn't looking into their impact on how it effected me until it did. I wasn't reading other road users body language and intentions, just their speed and distance. So at first I was indicating a lot because I was having to re-learn my observations and it was tough. But over time I started to see these little nuances in behaviours of those around me and learning what they meant. I was starting to drive pro-actively rather than reactively to keep the traffic flowing safely. I got a few things wrong and misread a lot of things, I still do, but much rarer than before. So 6 months on and I have noticed a few things. My stress levels have come right down! I am observing far more, seeing the behaviours of pedestrians, observing further around corners, through bushes, reflections in windows etc that I never would have seen or read properly before. Because I am observing more I have more time to consider what might happen, what choices I have and simply choosing to avoid situations that before hand I would have been stuck reacting to. I am still learning. There are times when I revert to the old ways, when I'm tired or when there is too much going on to keep track of all the moving parts. But even then I am able to learn from it. I can look reflectively on what I did and how I can improve on it, rather than blaming the whole driving world for my own inadequacies. I am actually enjoying driving far more than I ever have before. All because some youtube dude asked "who does that signal benefit?". So thanks Ash, this is great content, it is making a difference to loads of us.

@ashley_neal

Жыл бұрын

Wow! Not joking but this brought a tear to my eye. This is exactly the transition that I am after. Amazing 🥇

@ibs5080

Жыл бұрын

I think you've just made Ashley's year!

@highdownmartin

Жыл бұрын

Spot on mate, I enjoy driving because I enjoy making a good smooth job of it, making good progress by gathering as much information as possible and positioning my car or bike in the best place so I don’t snooker myself. And acceleration and braking are as unnoticeable as possible. And as for the being tired bit, much more applicable on the motorcycle, I make a conscious decision to pop it into top gear, drop in behind a slower moving vehicle, assume a following position a little further back and give my head a break. I’m done with overtaking for a bit so I metaphorically fold my arms and chill out. It’s not hard to spot drivers flashing their brake lights for miles, inches from someone’sbumper, on a road that they clearly aren’t going to be able to overtake on, where they could drop back and recharge rather than become so stressed they will make an awful mistake. Safe driving mate.

@kenbrown2808

Жыл бұрын

if you were in the habit of indicating when you turn the wheel, then you were in the group that always signaled late.

@ibs5080

Жыл бұрын

@@kenbrown2808 Btw Ken re a reply you made to me regarding winter driving and your visit to Portland OR. Hope all went will with the hospital visit there and I wish you / your family well. No need to eleborate any further regarding that hospital visit as I respect it's a private matter but just wanted to wish you well.

I think the mindset and concepts are the most important thing. You don't have to do it perfectly. You might signal when you really didn't need to. But all we do when driving, or just about anything else should be based on what you can (or cannot) observe. We don't shout 'coming through!' in the middle of a field with no one there. But we might if entering a door to a room beyond a closed door with painters and decorators, even if we're not sure whether they are there at that moment. If you're really in any doubt, do signal for anyone who might be invisible behind some corner. But don't forget the key is to observe.

On one of my driving lessons,. I was turning right at a junction and noticed there was no one around, I turned to my instructor and asked if I should indicate, he replied, 'will anyone benefit from it?'. This has stuck with me since then.

@oceanrailsky

Жыл бұрын

​@@ronrolfsen3977 I don't think the stop sign scenario is relevant here. The only reason we put the stop signs here in the UK, is because a particular junction has some poor visibility and therefore the highway engineers do not believe you can make a safe judgement without seeing the full picture. The message from that instructor and Ashley is right. It bogs down to 'your indicator is meaningless if you don't do your observations properly'. My indicator knob is not a get out of jail card. It shouldn't be used to force your behaviour on others. Its purpose is to help others make the right decision while sharing the road with you, and if there isn't anyone around you (and you'll only know that with the right level of observation) it becomes meaningless.

This lesson is essentially about the driver creating an external viewpoint narrative which unfolds constantly as the journey progresses. Like 'common sense', it's not innate and has to be learned... Ashley's outro about starting local, noticing one's own behaviour, and changing it to suit the moment is a great first step. Carrying that out on a general every-trip (near or far) basis takes time, requires concentration, and needs constant practise because no situation is ever the same as any another. And I confess I sometimes fail - e.g. when I'm tired, or I'm being harassed by a lorry tailgating me, etc.. It's good to have the Instructor's Rant as a reminder though (note to self - try harder to stay alert 100% of the time!) and I'm bookmarking this video to play again occasionally.

I used to be a driving instructor and always used 'Mirror (consider a) Signal, Manoever' the pupil invariably took a while to understand this, but I think it helped them to look at the situation and see if a signal would help both motorists and other road users. Great instructional video Ashley, thanks for being willing to spend the time and effort to produce these videos.

What you're saying at around 23:00 about signalling for the turn resonates with me. my street is off one of the main roads into my town. Immediately after my street is another street that leads into a housing estate. I typically park my car across the road so have to cross the main road and the number of cars that drive up the bank with a signal on as if they're going to come down my street rather than the next one is so high that I'm always genuinely surprised when someone actually does want my street

I stick by the rule of indicate unless ambiguous, which in reality means I indicate as you did in this video. And I absolutely look at those flashing lights as a pedestrian to see whether I can cross a road that a car's already travelling along; I've definitely got very wet in the rain unnecessarily before when lots of oncoming cars suddenly disappear around a corner where a signal could've let me know that I could've gone! Edit: And on awareness, 100% agree. I've been in an accident where I just began to pass someone as they started indicating to come into my lane, but there was no time between their indicating and the manoeuvre so they hit me. I can only assume they didn't even bother checking their mirror, they just treated the indicator like a warning to others!

I’ve been riding a motorcycle for many years, and since I’ve been watching your videos I’ve improved my riding. Thank you for all your helpful advice.

Another great video Ashley, I'm try so hard to implement your suggestions on your videos even when I'm driving buses makes my passenger comfort whilst on my vehicle a safe and comfortable one so my passengers are benefiting from your videos even though they don't know it, so thanks Ashley.

Driving is a bit like chess sometimes. I look at what is around me and calculate some moves in advance. I often think about others and how to help them out. By momentarily speeding up or slowing down to make a gap for them to come out or merge, things like that. But I feel like this thinking for others is rare these days.

Hi Ashley, I am a pdi and I found your video on giving signal really helpful and it's given me more understanding on when and when not to and using it as a begging signal when joining traffic. But I use your video in my teaching. Keep up the good work.

Love your videos very educational, I agree that when driving there needs to be more observation when driving, as for signalling I admit that I get stuck in a certain mindset when driving, also when I passed my driving test I was driving down a built up area with parked cars and I started to slow down, then the examiner asked why i slowed down i said because I saw someones feet in-between the parked cars I saw the feet further back.

30:57 Ash's instant change of tone when he's thinking "Holy sh!t, don't want this to be a 5 hour video" 😂

Ashley I think you hit the nail on the head; many learners are being taught to pass the test not given the training to drive afterwards. Surely driving is about assessing the situation as you are driving, even if you are driving the same route regularly the traffic and others road user action WILL NOT be the same each time!! Thank you for the videos they have been a great help in improving my driving and sometimes confirming I have developed some good techniques. 👏👍👌

@daves-music

Жыл бұрын

A large proportion of driving instructors have always been guilty of teaching only to pass the test. The reasons are many and various including lazy attitude, ‘looking after my business’ and pressure from parents who are ignorant of what safe driving actually is. The last group actually encourage the next generation of drivers to be as impatient and ignorant as themselves. But that is the nature of parental and cultural influence.

Great video as always. I starting driving (in the olden days) where handsignals were the norm or semaphore indicators and back then you only really indicated if absolutely neccessary so much more attention had to be taken on what was happening around you.

"In case you haven't seen someone" I'll admit that's ones of my reasons for indicating on a mostly free junction, but also in case someone comes along from behind obstacles or comes belting into range at a rate of knots, I forget the figures for "reaction times" , but by the time you see a speeding driver you have little time to react and indicate

You've put a lot of my thoughts into words here Ashley. I learned to drive in Australia, where indicator usage is mandatory for any moves to the right or left. I figured as soon as I started driving that there were many situations (going around parked cars etc) where it was dubious as to why you need to have that signal on, and whether sometimes they cause more confusion than if you just didn't put it on at all. Glad the highway code is much more reasonable here.

ASHLEY THANKS ! My biggest bug bear is people signalling right then left when going straight at roundabouts and not cancelling indicators after maneuvers ! 👍

@PedroConejo1939

Жыл бұрын

That was a really bad habit of drivers in Pembrokeshire. I asked a local why he did it and he said, 'because I'm not turning left'.

@boblawrence5011

Жыл бұрын

Yes, to indicate right then left is confusing but to indicate left when leaving a roundabout is helpful to other drivers wanting to join the roundabout, I wouldn’t indicate to leave a roundabout if there was nobody waiting to join of course.

@PhillipParr

Жыл бұрын

Weirdly I've seen this and never understood it. It definitely doesn't say to do this at all in the highway code.

@nct948

Жыл бұрын

@@boblawrence5011 I totally agree with you. It is slightly annoying and slows the flow of traffic when you are waiting at a roundabout to let the driver on it pass, to find that in fact he was turning before reaching you.

This was a very interesting and important follow up to the first video. Since the first video I have been practicing this, and believe that the described approach does encourage better observation. I still believe that when cycling, due to reduced size, speed and vulnerability that signalling is more important, with high speed differentials situations can change very quickly.

Your spot on Ashley. Too many people either don't indicate when they should or pointlessly indicate when they shouldn't . This can cause confusion in both circumstances. I've been taught to only indicate if it benefits others. : Rospa level 2 and 3 trained.. hgv and car driver.

As to your point of not trying to do everything immediately, that's exactly how I've started working on it. I still put on my signal more often than I have to, but every time I do a maneuver that may or may not require a signal (and usuallyI do signal), I will evaluate the situation in my mind to determine if it was needed. I hope to build on my observational skill in this manner and to slowly transition into actually making that decision consciously.

What IAM Advanced and Masters driving drills into you is the importance of OAP - Observation, Anticipation & Planning. This is key to all decision making and you are correct that habitual indicating is a lazy trait. Deciding whether or not to indicate should put the driver in complete control of their attitude to motoring skill.

Another good and useful video Ashley. Too many drivers have the habit of putting the car in gear and their brains in neutral when it comes to driving. Habit and familiarity are important factors in many accidents this is why so many accidents happen close to home. When parking in especially on busy roads or close to junctions and entrances rather than using a left indicator which might be confused with a turn signal I prefer to use hazard lights to signal that I am parking in and stopping.

It’s about timely and effective signals having done sufficient anticipation and planning. Place yourself in the position of others to decide if you would be helped by the signal if you were them. As far as advanced tests are concerned, Ashley, I’ve done most of them and I can assure you that even though there are guidelines and advice as to how to achieve their particular standard (they differ), there is often a difference in how one advanced instructor may advise and interpret in a situation as compared to another. Some are just as tied up in habitual behaviour as you describe. 😊

I get what you’re saying and feel like I did from the start. The driver should be asking themselves when they push that switch, “Why did I do that, and at whom was it aimed?” If the answer is “because that’s how I was taught, and it’s for whomever is affected” then there’s that room for improvement you’re referring to. To reach the next level, you must know WHY that signal is being used, and what it is saying to the observer. And you should, where there is the possibility of doing so, have checked ALL the places that the other road user can be. And where, such as at one point in this video, you identity a place where the other road user cannot see you, then you factor that in your decision on whether or when to signal. The application of critical thinking. This is a subject that should be taught in schools from the youngest age. Don’t just do, THINK. Really solid here Ash, you’ve done a fine job. Some will dismiss right away, or take away a message that you’re not actually sending, but I feel you’re of the opinion that even if you get one person to be better then you’ve succeeded. And without a doubt, there’s a lot more than one.

Hi, To me if a vehicle does not have the indicators flashing then it is indicating it intends to go straight on. I decided to get a definitive answer to this question once and for all, so I asked ChatGPT: "In the UK, it is generally expected that drivers will use their turn signals when turning or changing lanes. Failing to do so can be considered careless or reckless driving and may result in a fine or penalty points on your license. It is important to use your turn signals to let other road users know your intentions and to help prevent accidents. It is especially important to signal when driving in busy or crowded areas, or when driving in conditions that may make it more difficult for other road users to anticipate your movements, such as when it is raining or foggy."

Spot on, I liked you drawing attention to the blind left turn, there may be cars or pedestrians that benefit from indication

Yet another brilliant video. I am so pleased you have included this signaling video. I have always believed in the idea that the positioning of your car is as much of an indicator of your intentions as signaling unnecessarily. When there is a dedicated left or right turn, I sometimes signal before I reach the lane but then cancel the indicator rather than sitting there with the indicator on, which would often be dazzling the driver behind, especially at night. I would be so interested to see a mention of the dreaded rear fog lights! So many people put them on when it's slightly misty or even when it's just raining. It is so dazzling and potentially dangerous on motorways because it is difficult to make out when brake lights are coming on several cars ahead and which are just the bright fog lights. The only time I ever use rear fog lights is when it is a real thick fog but as soon as someone has caught me up, I cancel them so it doesn't dazzle them. It is unnecessary to keep them on all the time.

I was critical of your first vlog on the need to signal. And unsubscribed as a result. However, 99% of your uploads I feel I’ve been informed beneficially. Perhaps driving examiners feedback on over use of signals to instructors would be an advantage. Meanwhile I’m continuing my 53 years of driving with “signal when manoeuvring “. Plus, disagreeing doesn’t equate to disliking Ash, you are a great guy who is helping the public. Cheers 🥃 for 2023

i went on a police better driving course in Hampshire over forty years ago, and the chief instructor (a really good instructor by the way) then said that signalling is an automatic action caused purely by habit, and not using your brain to evaluate each situation. His scenario was turning on an empty road at 2 am. Nobody about as he stated, so why signal? He stated then that the police regard such driving as being on automatic pilot, but more importantly it was showing a complete disregard of the use of observational skills. He also added that police regard this type of driving as being without due care and attention, and they could pull you up for it! You should assess every situation at all times and signal or not accordingly. Just as Ashley states in this video.

One situation, Ashley, where my late Dad and I are in agreement with you is to not indicate when you are returning to a left lane after doing an overtake. As you say, 'it is a given' that you will be returning to the left lane so there is no need for any signal and can lead to confusion on an A road where there could be left turns ahead. Keep up the good work and you educational lectures/rants!!

@Hotoadle

Жыл бұрын

It's how it used to be taught. Signal out, signal in. Police training included. It's something to consider, if you need to do it to firm up that part of the overtake although that could imply poor judgement. You shouldn't be overtaking close to a junction, unless you can see it's clear for a stretch. In town I'd always signal if overtaking. But I think people mistake overtaking on a two lane road for lane changing e.g. using the outer lane on a motorway. You would signal for lane changing, surely?

All great points and this tends to be how I like to drive and observe myself - I always rely on my speed and positioning to communicate first and foremost, and I use the same to predict what others are doing. The problem with signals is they're too often used incorrectly, so if you made decisions based on another car's signal, such as to emerge, overtake, or change speed, you put yourself in considerable risk if they don't fulfil their communicated intention. Holding back and waiting until they actually commit to their intention or using other signals like speed and positioning to confirm their commitment will therefore always be the only safe way to drive. This all being said, I do have to challenge you on one thing: The idea that effective observations can be overwhelming to learner drivers isn't about laziness, it's about task stacking. These learners feel immense pressure to think about their pedals, their gears, their road position and speed, correct steering, as well as observing for highly dynamic hazards on the roads - be it traffic or other obstacles like tight corners, bollards, debris, potholes, and such... and they have to do all this while painfully aware their every action is being scrutinised not just by their instructor but by other drivers. Anxiety around this is the biggest reason people take measures like auto-signalling to reduce their task loading and relieve that anxiety, which would otherwise overwhelm them and make them ineffective at every aspect of driving. I'm sure, as an instructor, you experience it daily where a student will make a mistake and then be overwhelmed and make a hundred other mistakes shortly after. Another consideration is that half the population has a sub-100 IQ: Not to say this measures their value as people at all, but intelligence greatly determines a driver's ability to accurately observe the hazards around them and *to predict how they may evolve over time.* These problems could be alleviated by having students commit to far more lessons to build comfort, confidence, and habit for the parts we *can* autopilot, like finding the bite point, correctly steering, and breaking with the right pressure. I also think students who demonstrate significant anxiety or inability to adapt to changing road conditions and hazards around them should be encouraged to move into automatic cars, as this would free up some of that mental space for them to improve upon their observations. The problem with both of these solutions is that driving lessons are extremely expensive and automatic cars are more expensive and less available (and slightly stigmatised at times) - making them prohibitive for the main demographic in this situation: Young and minimum wage. I think driving lessons need government subsidy and minimum lesson requirements to build up these hazard awareness and response skills so that these young people can be safer on our roads.

Totally agree that in many cases, a nice early position is all that's necessary without a signal. Classic case is passing parked cars.

'Which mirrors?' is just a lazy prompt. It's not the fault of the instructor, but the instructor's instructor who taught them that prompt, and forgot to say use it just as a starting point. Always good to ask a follow up q. Such as, If I was driving in London how safe would it be never to signal? (A: you'd be surprised...but others not signalling helps to identify the 'stay well away from that one!' so it's all about 'fixing' others' mistakes). I skipped through and caught Ash saying 'you shouldn't fall asleep...'. classic!

Hi Ashley, thank you for doing this, as an habitual signaller as I tried to describe in my previous comments I am entirely on board with you treatment of the topic, I too insist that good observation is crucial, that scenario that you describe where the application of a signal could cause some confusion, and the fact that when you are clearly in a lane where you are going round a corner no signal is needed, actually if in that situation you are not changing lanes or even crossing any road markings no other traffic has any skin in your game anyway!. For me the whole point is to ensure that not only are your intentions clear for anyone who is around but that having applied the signal you will follow it, only if and when it is safe to do so, it is always a signal of intention not a 'get out of my way I'm coming through' signal. You did talk briefly at the start about the issue of mental demand, what do you spend your time thinking about when at the wheel, it is here where my suggestion that for me, within the range of routine habits, many that rely on muscle-memory, starting with the effort required early on to find and hold the bite point on the clutch, it is not entirely the same although the actual action of hitting the indicator stalk does take a finite amount of time and attention, during which you are not doing anything else, it is much a matter of timing, not so much if but when. You actually do a good job as usual of explaining just how important observation is all the time but again timing plays a part, many 'accidents' are the product of poor timing as much as poor observation!, there is no point seeing someone step out into the road on front of you if you leave it too late to stop!. I paused there for a bit and guess what, at about eighteen minutes, you start to say the very same things and on that point we are entirely of accord!. I am particularly impressed by how you describe your own efforts to 'control' some of the traffic around you by adjusting your own behaviour to accommodate others!, a perfect example of just how 'control' actually works!, it is always by the presentation of relevant information at the right time in the right place so that 'they' can do the best thing or make the best decisions, enabling them not ordering them. I did see that video of the approach to that roundabout when you got there at the 'wrong' time, perhaps when you rolled up there was a point at which you should have accelerated or slowed to allow for the BMW driver to turn off or go through without issue, however as you rightly say it was not a serious problem, the important thing again is to allow some margin of error, for yourself as much as others!. I do like the way you end this one, unlike you I am not so sure about the odd hostile comments you might get, they worry me quite a lot, in my humble opinion anyone who treats you with anything less than the respect you deserve should be getting expert help with what I can only describe as a dangerous condition!, perhaps maybe you were only referring to the emotional effect on you in which case I am the same!. Many years ago I was forces to realise that wondering about what others think of me would be very much dependent on them doing so - and as far as I can see there is no evidence that ever happens!. Cheers, Richard.

I'm glad you talked about MSM being flexible as i've not always been able to signal before the brake. Some national speed limit roads slow back down to 30 before any junctions are available. The brake always comes first.

I remember you talking about this before these videos and I did disagree at that point but you've definitely convinced me with these recent videos The only point I have is that you could probably emphasise avoiding misleading people rather than not signaling as you are of course signaling when it is needed

This, plus the original "no-signal" video has definitely got me thinking a lot harder about when to, and when not to... Great stuff as always.

Think you knocked the nail on the head with the word (thinking) people are far too busy with other things going on in life to think out responsibilities when driving 🤣

Thank you for this follow-up.

An Educational Rant is perfectly ok in my book. It certainly is not the same as a "Sunday Roast" as often seen on a certain dashcam channel which I know you have watched on occasion. Situation Awareness is key. Get that "bit" right and the rest should fall into place. Stay safe out there.

Absolutely LOVED this video. Informative and highly amusing seeing Ashley in rant mode! Look at the body language, the raised and wagging finger. Passionate and accurate. At 10:28 I can assure you that Advanced drivers would not object to your use of a left turn signal as you approached the seemingly empty junction. I say that as a long-standing IAM Roadsmart member and holding an IAM Roadsmart Masters with Distinction (thanks in part to your videos, which I used in preparation for the Masters test). If I had been doing a driving commentary at that stage, I would have said something like this: "We're at the information stage of IPSGA approaching this junction. Although I cannot see any other road users, I am putting a left turn signal on because I can reasonably expect an oncoming road user to be out of my sight at the moment. My signal will be useful to them to show my intent to turn left once I reach the junction." It's not just what you can see: it's what you can reasonably expect to be happening in the area you can't see.

@itsbilln2178

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Given this premise (which I agree with), I just cannot accept that there is a good reason to ever “reasonably expect” the totally unexpected won’t ever happen. When the totally unexpected does eventually happen, I’d rather have my indicator on, having considered that whilst there is no one I can see who would definitely benefit, and also no one I can’t see but whom I reasonably expect may be out of sight and would benefit, it would be arrogant of me to assume that my “expectation” of what may or may not be around the corner is alway going to be accurate enough, every single time, such that I should save myself the last bit of effort in turning on the relevant indicator.

@R04drunner1

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@ItsBillN I think the key is "reasonably expect". If, for example, I come to a junction that is totally open and I can clearly see that there is nobody who would benefit from a signal, I won't put a signal on. It would be unreasonable to expect somebody to pop up suddenly from thin air. The important thing is to be carrying out proper observations and to be making appropriate decisions accordingly. In practice, there is plenty of grey area. As long as you can make a considered case for giving a signal, you can reasonably go for it, even erring on the side of caution.

@itsbilln2178

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@@R04drunner1 Yes, I think everyone really ought to err on the side of caution when operating a vehicle.

You really were holding back a full on rant there Ash 😂I work to the 'if it benefits someone then I use signals' otherwise I'm not using one. It's often hard in my Audi though cus I know how much you 'love' that auto 4 winks the Audi signals can give 😉

Excellent video. When anything becomes routine or habit, we have stopped reacting & adapting to others.

For unusual obstructions on busy roads I put a signal on really early to change lane and keep on whilst slowly changing lane over a long distance so it's more obvious to those much further behind there's an obstruction ahead.

@kenbrown2808

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that's a very appropriate use of an indicator. I also like to give a couple flashes of my brake lights if something that might be an issue appears ahead, so people behind know to expect something unusual.

I agree with you on 99% of everything you say… I’ve even changed my thinking on using both lanes when 2 lanes become 1 and using all the road space. However I do always use signals, as there might be someone who you can’t see who might rely on them to determine where you are going (a hidden pedestrian or cyclist with no lights etc). I agree that the road positioning can give this information but what about your newly qualified, inexperienced driver (like my 18-year old son) who might be less clued up on reading these signs? Keep up the good work I do love your videos 👍👍

Love and appreciate your videos Ashley. Well deserved rant 😂.

I thought I indicated all the time but looking at this video I pretty much indicate where Ashley does (apart from one). I haven't been out since the 'indicating' video so have been able to check myself. 🙂

Brilliant, I agree with you regarding the "advanced" courses these days. Both IAM and RoSPA are only above the basics which should be the minimum. True "advanced" would be John Lyons. 1, I'd like to see someone who is a disabled driver work with you on your channel. I have issues with certain aspects and I drive to cater for those weaknesses. 2, Should you drive to your weaknesses or strengths? I say both... Love your channel and the information you put out, as usual, many thanks

Near where I live there is a road with 2 left roads off of it. If a car is waiting to come out the first entrance and you want to turn left into the second entrance and you put a left signal on you make it appear you want to turn left down the first left road. Which increases risk of the driver pulling out of the first entrance when you want to take the second entrance

I've been an advanced driver for 30 years - I take a refresher every three years with RoSPA - and I have to say I agree with you completely on signalling. You asked if you would be picked up on an advanced test for signalling on the approach to a T junction - no, I don't think you would, especially if you explain the reason for the signal (commentary is encouraged on advanced tests, of course). I would say it is better to signal before braking if possible but, as you demonstrated, it is necessary sometimes.

I think the reason it's best to have new drivers signal always is because theres just too many variables for the average person to learn, I believe this kinda of fine tuning should be looked at after a person has "unconscious competence", when I was a new driver 25 yrs ago I'd miss certain things and it was better that I signalled, now I drive lorries into London and sometimes country lanes (basically all over the place) mistakes are very rare and I know what people are likely about to do and what they're most likely thinking, in my car there a certain times I don't signal but I know exactly whats going on, however I wouldn't try and pass this on to my son (a new driver) because he's got enough to contend with just to get to conscious competence

We got a lot of Y-junctions in residential neighbourhoods here. 3 way junctions with no going straight, no matter what direction, you are making a turn. Hence I was taught to “always” signal at such intersections. Though many drivers and cyclists seem unaware of it or consider whatever direction the street name continues to be the straight/priority road. (Many intersections in residential neighbourhoods don't have yield or stop signs here, people rely on knowing the rules of priority to figure out who gets to go first) I know of one such intersection I don't have to signal (but I still do out of habit) coming from 2 directions, because the third is a one way street you're not allowed to enter from that intersection. (Obviously approaching the junction from that one way street you have to signal if you're going left or right.)

I've had this situation with impatient drivers on Stanley/Scottie Rd, particularly by the Doc's towards the junction with Boundary St. So many people try to undercut you once you're beyond the parked cars outside (about ten yards beyond is a side-street with the clinic car park, and about fifteen yards further is the actual junction. I've found the easiest way to deal with that is overhanging both lanes while there's parked cars up ahead. Denotes I dont want to be in the outside lane and will conform to the left once it is safe.

Excellent thoughtful video

Completely agree. If you use your signal whenever required by law without thinking about it, you do not observe properly. The exact same goes for stopping at red lights just because the law says so: it means you will automatically go when it's green without looking. So better use advanced driving skills: observe the junction yourself and if it's clear, go no matter of the traffic light. And another harmful autopilot: speed limits. If you adhere to the speed limit, you will obviously always drive up to that speed limit without regards to traffic or weather conditions. Advanced drivers ignore posted speed limits and pick the appropriate speed based on conditions themselfes, even if that speed is way above the posted limit. Some of you might say "that's against the law", but honestly, listen to Ashely: this is what Advanced Driving looks like ;) PS: if you do find this tips helpful, please google "irony" and do NOT drive a motorvehicle until you realize what the purpose of traffic laws is...

For the little it's worth. I completely agree.

14:11 Poor Ashley 😭I will still signal to move onto my driveway when it is dark and there is 'no one around' - there is poor lighting and it is difficult to see people especially when they wear dark clothing, this is before I get onto the kids who ride bikes with no lights on

@ashley_neal

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You need to watch to the end 😂

@ashley_neal

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30:06 😂 👍 It's as if my comment was made for you

@AM2K2

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@@ashley_neal ...that is why I commented!

@AM2K2

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@@ashley_neal It's as if people watch a video and comment on the content...shocking 🤣

@itsbilln2178

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@@ashley_nealI’m pretty sure they did! 😂

Hi Ashley. Another good video. Did you know that in the 1960s there used to be a TV advert that followed a Morris Minor (I think) to a crossroads with the commentary to the effect that no need to signal as no other vehicles about. It would be interesting if you were able to get hold of a copy and show it on you channel. Best wishes from a Moonraker (in Wiltshire).

@ibs5080

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Oh I'm interested to search for that now. I love that sort of thing. I don't remember that but I recall Reginald Molehusband trying to park. In that case, the original film was totally lost, so they recreated it.

Thank you for this follow up. I knew the original would prompt ructions, and it did. I agree with the entire theme of this and particuarly like the point that no-one who has translated to signalling only when there is a need ever says, 'you know what, I'm going back to signalling all the time'. Even though you only just brushed on it at the end, the 'in case there's someone you haven't seen' was used repeatedly as a reason for always signalling in a number of discussions that I got into. I cannot understand how that has to apply to signalling (forcing you do indicate) but doesn't apply to emerging (forcing you to wait). If a driver's observations are so poor that 'there may be someone they haven't seen', then I would question whether that person should be driving. Maybe it was poorly worded but you dealt with this - there might be a situation where you _cannot_ see someone, and therefore signal, but observations will tell you that there is a blind spot, such as parked cars on a corner. A good driver knows what is around them and knows when there are potential unseen hazards. My signalling weakness is signalling when moving back after an overtake. It's a hard practice to break because I've driven so much in countries where failure to do so can land you with a hefty fine. Even so, I don't signal until I am sure I've cleared the vehicle I'm overtaking and am out of their safe braking zone. I get so many cars passing me that are already indicating left before they've got halfway past me. Sometimes, that is because the driver behind them is impatient and has closed the gap to bully them out of the way, but that is not always the case. I can guarantee that anyone who puts their left indicator on _during_ the overtake/pass will cut in far too close.

@ashley_neal

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There wouldn't be a problem with your decision making as it comes with thought. I've never seen you drive, but I know already what type of driver you are. Your continued support and input is much appreciated!

@PedroConejo1939

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@@ashley_neal Thank you, that means a lot, and you're welcome. This is by far the most interesting channel I subscribe to and the comments section is always lively.

@ianmason.

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"I can guarantee that anyone who puts their left indicator on during the overtake/pass will cut in far too close." Not always the case. If I'm overtaking and get someone coming up behind me "from nowhere" (i.e. either their speed is really excessive or they've just cut across two lanes for the overtake) I will put on an " _I'm returning to the lane I started my overtake from_ " signal really early to encourage them to wait for my move rather than attempting something dumb like cutting in in front of whomever I've just overtaken and undertaking me (I've seen it happen). I'll still wait until I've cleared enough space before moving back.

@PedroConejo1939

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@@ianmason. You are a rarity. I've never seen anyone indicate early yet still wait until they have cleared my safety zone before pulling over.

@kenbrown2808

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@@PedroConejo1939 it is the only driving channel I've seen where differing opinions discuss their position instead of going directly to name calling.

Hello Ashley. A good well informed video and I agree with most of what you say regards to signalling selectively and not robotically. I tend to use a similar approach when I drive myself. However would DVSA examiners have the same thoughts as you do on this.

One thing that stuck out on this video (and some others of yours, Ashley), is how little traffic there is around Liverpool, for a large city. No wonder you can go a fair while not indicating, because there is no one to advise of your intended movements! One thing that you said, which I believe is far more important than picking times when you choose not to, is of course TIMING OF USING INDICATORS. It is highly dangerous if for example, you put them on too early, when someone is waiting to come out of a side street and you intend turning AFTER where they are.

nice, i need this video, i have just barely passed 1000km since i got my permit, what i was thought in autoschool on signals isnt the full picture

I think there should be a good balance. There certainly exists signals that are pointless. If the lane splits from one lane into two - if you immediately make a decision to take left or right lane then a signal is completely pointless (nobody needs to give you way, as you were just travelling on a one lane!). Of course if you say go right and THEN decide to move left then you're changing a lane and ideally will put a signal, and definitely observations as somebody can now be in the left lane. Similar for example with overtaking a bus, you don't really need a signal for it if you're immediately going for an overtake as soon as you approach a bus that has stopped at a bus stop. Because it's expected you'll want to overtake the bus. And in some occasions if there's parking on the right side you could confuse people with a signal in that scenario. But I do think it's nice to put a signal on in situations when you would normally put it but don't want to because you think there's nobody around. No one is perfect, even if you've done your observations somebody could be hidden behind your A pillar or you just missed them, it doesn't require any effort to put a signal (unless you drive a BMW I've been told the signal lever weighs about 5kg, and you need to be an Olympian to move it).

Hi Ashley . I always look for a signal. My driving instructor was hot on signals. I also signal when I over take a parked car but must admit I don’t going back in if done quickly . So yeh if you were turning left I don’t normally look at position as I am a very new driver only passed my test in June . I just looks for a signal

My driving instructor from many years ago said that you should only signal if there is someone that needs to be informed about your intent to move in a certain direction. They also said do no signal in a left or right turn lane as it would eb a fail due to showing a lack of understand such as why are you signalling in a left turn lane you should only be there if you are turning left.

One other technique that I regularly use is to debrief myself after every trip, reviewing what I did well and what I could have done better, a habit carried over from flying. Oh, and brake lights are also a signal.

Hi Ashley, what a lovely rant. You are preaching from my own pulpit, well done. At your double roundabout, signalling left when you did still left ambiguity. Were you signalling to turn left at the second roundabout, or (as many do) just signalling to leave the first rounfabout? Personally I would prefer to leave it a bit later, or as in some situations where junctions come up so close, signal for the first then cancel as I start the first turn, wait a second or two and then signal again. If I am in busy traffic and I have selected the right lane (on a dual carriageway) early (at about the speed limit) for the round about I might signal early to inform the impatient and even sometimes then cancel and resignal. I'm thinking now of a local case here where we have to go all round the roundabout and come back to turn right. Driving is a bit about car control and a lot about situational awareness. Thats what the mirrors for, and I have to keep reminding myself because I fall into bad habits just like everyone else. Its also why I am a bit against speed limits, not because I want to go fast but because I think seeing whats going on outside the windows is more important than keep watching a dial. Maybe my sceptisism on speed limits has more to do with the exactitude of enforcement which distracts drivers eyes into the cabin too much. I fully agree that if your habit is to think whether you need a signal then you are making yourself more aware and therefore a better driver. As to your driver fail video confession, I won't fault your observation because your head motions are not vissible but two points here. First the cars on the roundabout are not the only things to watch for (pedestrians in your or the other cars exit and naybe us mad cyclist jumping off the pavement!). Second is that many of us drive in strange (to us towns) and we get our positioning wrong trying to navigate the signs and also we're all human and we change our minds. Sometimes I think our herb drill (do they still do that in schools?) of look right then left and right again gives us a clue as to the importance of being alert to whats going on around us. Sorry if I've gone on a bit but one rant invitrs another. Overall, Ashley, whilst I don't agree with everything you say I think you are doing a good job in educating us but more importantly making us think. Well done.

Thought you would have addressed the use of indicators on dual carraigeways/motorways. They should be turned off BEFORE the car is completely in the lane that they are changing into.

I had many years of Motor Cycle Licence only - and found it incredibly difficult to pass my car test, because a developed road-sense is NOT what an examiner is looking for. I only succeeded by undertaking my test during a snow flurry and driving exactly after the MSM method. However, both experience and my driving instructor, always taught 'Signal If Necessary' - as the action to take, after making appropriate observations. This is the right method - and Ashley is absolutely right to take this up. The only thing I would add, is that there may be pedestrians in a 'blind' position - so that sometimes - for example when in a left turn only lane - it may be appropriate to signal even when there is no following traffic. I often observe the ' Signal after Manouvre' thing - especially in lane changing on Motorways.....

@ianmason.

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I'll just add that a situation like " _there may be pedestrians in a 'blind' position_ " is an opportunity to consider using that oft forgotten signal - the horn. Indicating for people who are around a blind corner is a good idea and you may give them a fraction of a second extra visual warning, but the horn will give them even more warning than that.

@JohnnyHague

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@@ianmason. Yes - good comment. I had a local junction in mind, which is left turn only. However, there are often cyclists on the pavement and a school nearby. So - no point indicating left for the traffic, but nice to warn others that you are there - and that's all.

@jimmyccam

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@@JohnnyHague Cyclists & Pedestrians always count as "traffic" in my book. (and in the Highway Code)

Indicating depending on situation makes sense, the original video just had a couple of instances where by not indicating it compromised the safety of other road users, as in those situations an indicator would have reduced risk for others.

Interestingly, I work as a reach truck driver in a warehouse full of other RT drivers and pickers on trucks. NONE of us have signals on any of the trucks and we rely on observations alone. SOME of us use hand signals, but only very few!!

30:40 what is embarrassing is someone thinking they are never make a mistake, ever. We're all humans and we make mistakes. And I bet 100% of the people reading this, they have missed someone at least once, so yes, I agree we need to be aware of our surroundings all the time but a good signal (not misleading) that no one can see doesn't hurt anyone.

I was wondering something. I live in Belgium. Here the law states that with any sideways movement of your car, you NEED to use your indicators before making that move. It even states that you need to do this even if there is nobody near. I will remain using my indicators whenever I make a sideways movement, because of that. I agree with what you said, but wonder what you think of this.

The ones who over indicate at roundabouts get me (my uncle does this btw) going straight on, indicates left as he pulls onto the roundabout, then right as he moves around the roundabout, then left into the exit... I've seen so many of his generation doin the same

My ADI taught me that the S in MSM didn't always mean the car's indicators, that brake lights or even your road position were just as much signals to other road users. He also told me that, on the test, signalling when unnecessary could result in a minor fault for lack of observation.

I had someone signal left and not turn left when I was leaving a junction, I shouldn’t of assumed they was turning left ended up having a near miss that would of been my fault, now I look for signs of them turning left rather than relying on the indicator.

I was taught to signal all the time on a roundabout, keep the right hand indicator on until your exit is the next left exit, then change to a left indications, so everyone knows where your going, obviously watching the other traffic as well..

Ashley, I very much admire your efforts to improve driving standards but can’t let this one pass without comment because, probably like quite a few conscientious drivers here, I signal when there is (apparently) no one that can benefit from it. And it is categorically not a habit without thought! It’s part of a procedure that happens every time I’m changing direction/lanes etc, whereby I assess whether a signal would inform other road and pavement users of my intentions. If it could confuse, I don’t make any signal. If the decision is to make the signal but I’ve assessed that there’s no driver, pedestrian or other sentient being around to see it, I still signal! Why? Because, (assuming it’s a correct one) there is no downside to doing it and there may be something or someone, not currently visible, that’s about to arrive into the area of action that could benefit. Maybe coming up the side road that I’m intending to turn into or a number of other ways. A hurried dive for the indicator stalk while changing down a gear because a previously hidden car has just appeared isn’t good. I’ve been a passenger on several occasions when this has happened because the driver was “police trained”. So please don’t assume that all of us that taking this approach are just thoughtless and lazy. We combine the observant and correct signalling approach that you advocate - with the added element of a safety net should anything unexpected arise during our intended manoeuvre. It is the non signallers that should be educated - but they probably don’t watch your channel!

@itsbilln2178

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This. As I’ve said I’m my main comment, this is the optimal approach. It just has to be. Common sense dictates this is the optimal approach. Ashley’s approach, and that advocated in Roadcraft etc, is essentially just an educational tool / method to help encourage drivers to think and observe. If you are capable of thinking and observing already, then you simply do not need to eliminate signals. In doing so, all you do is demonstrate that you feel you need to employ this technique to help you overcome some sort of barrier to thought and observation, which not pressing the indicator stalk magically fixes, whilst at the same time risking an incident caused by you believing you have observed that no one will benefit, only for the fallible nature of human biology to bite you in the bum.

@paulforster7

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Good explanation- totally agree.

@FlavourlessLife

Жыл бұрын

You said what I was thinking. And of course, none of this is an excuse for poor observation. Ashley said himself when talking about his roundabout driving fail that he can't look in all directions at once.

@SongDesire

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@@FlavourlessLife If you go back to that driving fail video and look at a large percentage of the comments Ashley replied to, he is pretty much saying "but they indicated left". Which is contradictory to his usual mantra of "observe everything and dont focus on just the indicators" (I am paraphrasing). It is pretty ironic. Ashley used to reguallary reply to my commets on his videos till the BMW vs tractor video a couple of years ago. He stated that sort of incident would never happen to him due to his skill and level of observation while driving, and I disagreed and stated those are words that will not age well. Since then he never replied to a comment ive made (or if he has, ive not recievced a notification for it). Whether positive or negative. He even stated in the recent fail video he was close to home at the end of the day. The fact of the matter is, he got complacent in an area close to home, he got careless, and he didnt observe as well as he usually does. His roundabout fail proves what I was saying to him in those past videos. As does his escapade vs the fiesta in another video where he purposfully drove into danger with an obstructed lane instead of slipping in behind said fiesta for the sake of safety. I wonder if someone would pass or fail their driving test if either of these two scenarios occured? His ego overrides his better judgement sometimes. The fact he said "I am the professional" towards those that disagree with him in this video just goes to show this. Yet he apperently welcomes criticism and discussion. He derides anyone who disagres with him, or ignores. While praising the people who kiss his rear end. On this very video he even chastises a person for replying to other peoples comments. The vast majority of his videos are exceptional, its why I still watch them. I value the content in a large percentage of his videos, and I am always looking to learn and improve behind the wheel. Largely because I dont want someones death on my conscience, and I want to be a safe and considerate driver. But he is too arrogant on occasion, and needs a good slice of humble pie. We are all human, and we ALL make mistakes. The main thing I disagree with on the specific content of this video (and other recent singal related videos), is the implication by Ashley that anyone using indicators consistently are lazy and not observing. Not every driver who uses indicators for the vast majority of occasions will be doing it out of sheer automation. I use the indicators to show others what I intend to do on the roads. I also use road posistion and speed to show what I intend to do, and I observe everything I can. I look far ahead, I look into junctions I am turning into, I look between parked cars and through their windows (where possible) to try and get a glimpse of any potentional hazards. But based on what Ashley has been saying in these recent videos, I am a careless, lazy and unoberservant danger because I also use the indicators to show intent where I feel it is applicable. I had an exceptional driving instructor that taught me how to drive, not pass the test. He was, like Ashley. Someone who taught other driving instructors too. He taught me to the level where he felt his own children would be safe in a car with me driving. That was his standard for everyone he taught, and he would not allow his car to be used for a test if you didnt pass that mark with him. I passed my test thanks to his training with a single mark for hesitation. He drilled it into me the proper use of indicators, the proper timings, when not to use them. To look out for anything that could cause confusion for others, such as junctions and/or carpark entrences (ect) just before or just after a junction. Above all else, he taught me to be a thoughtful and considerate driver and to oberve everything. One thing Ashley should look at, is the legality of using/not using indicators. Because, as far as I am aware. You can actually get points and a fine for "careless and inconsiderate driving", and last I heard, not using indicators correctly comes under that. It may potentially also lead to a prosecution for "driving without due care and attention" should a collision occur. But since Ashley is the "professional" here, perhaps he should address not only his opinion on the matter, but research what the actual legislation is on this. Because after all, this is a "driver education" channel.

@FlavourlessLife

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@@SongDesire Funnily enough, I just watched the tractor video (hadn't seen it before) and that was the exact situation I mentioned in the original indicator video of times where it could be potentially dangerous not to indicate (turning right into a small unmarked road with a fast car going for the overtake). Ash did actually reply to my suggestion with a single word, "stop", meaning if you were the car turning you should just stop and let the BMW go around you, which I don't disagree with, but indicators would make the situation much less dangerous. Watching that tractor video, it's obviously the BMW's fault, but I don't think it wouldn't have happened if the tractor signals had been more obvious. If the tractor could have seen the BMW (I have no idea what visibility is like in a tractor), it goes without saying that he should have not have committed to his turn, obviously, but honestly, the observation we can do always has it's limits, which is part of the reason why I will indicate even when I don't see anyone. It's a controversial topic, but I think these videos have been generally helpful of Ashley to get us thinking about how we signal, and how we can signal our intentions without indicators. But I do agree that ego gets the better of him occasionally. In several of his older videos he would instigate road rage with other drivers, I'm very glad to see he's grown past this.

I was watching "Traffic Cops" on TV the other day. The program included a chase, and the car being chased signaled every time he came to a junction. Talk about automatic signalling. Very helpful for the police driver though 🤣🤣

thanks ash great vid :)

In Germany they teach you when driving onto the motorway to basically come in with your left signal on. Like what for? It's quite literally clear that I want to merge because that's the only thing I can do, I rather indicate when I plan to do so near the end of the on ramp. Because some put the signal on and just go for it

Hi Ashley. Excellent subject, which did cause a lot of reaction in the 'not signalling' video. What are your thoughts on roundabouts? I live in a town which proudly boasts a total lack of traffic lights but is replaced with a multitude of roundabouts (it's not far from you). Traffic flow is generally excellent but over recent times I have noticed more and more drivers signalling right until past the first exit and then signalling left for the second (essentially driving straight through rather than a left or right turn). Their positioning suggests taking the second exit as they take a left lane position but the right signalling prevents any right turning user to fully use the available lane. I would add that practically all the roundabouts in Skelmersdale are large enough for two lanes of traffic around them.

I love how Ashley will insist he doesn't mind the feedback and comments he is getting despite obviously fuming about it and cranking out video after video insisting HE is the professional, how many more videos on signals are we going to get 🤣he appreciates people who disagrees with him btw 😜

@ashley_neal

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It prompts discussion and thought.👍

@bobbyg309

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@@ashley_neal When you start referring to yourself in 3rd person and insisting that you're the professional, is that in the name of discussion? 😅

@ashley_neal

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Take what you wish to take from any of my uploads👍

@Pattoe

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The people who disagreed with Ashley before this rant video will still disagree with him after this rant video. I think Ashley is correct but being told the same thing over and over again can seem patronising and it's frustrating.

i just got my permit last week, im super ready to build good habits

Re Pulling back in (to the left) is a given. But is it? Even if it was the correct thing to do, how do others know you are going to do the correct thing....and when? For example, how do other road users know that you won't be a lane hog and decide to stay in the right lane? Or that you might now want to remain in the right hand lane in preparation for turning right further ahead? What about a pedestrian standing on the left hand pavement and in the absence of any vehicles behind you, starts to cross by stepping off the left hand curb before you are past them and not realizing you are moving back to the left hand lane without signalling. Of course I realize the answer to that is if you are doing proper observation, you would take that possibility into account and signal...or better still, stay in the right lane until past. My take on that is that these things can get missed in a driving career that might span 60 or 70 years. And you only need to miss it once in 70 years for it to be an issue.

Hi Ashley, I have a question with regard to Motorway driving not related to this video as such however would be interested in your opinion on it. I have been driving for 29 years and appreciate that the way I may have been taught might be a little outdated in the way I perceive things should be done so not sure if my thought process on this is right or wrong. When exiting the motorway and I am on the inside lane travelling at 70mph I indicate around countdown marker with 2 lines continue at the current speed and start to decelerate once I enter the slip road. I am finding it to become more common that drivers are decelerating and even braking down to speeds of 50 mph before hitting the countdown markers and well before entering the slip road. This I appreciate may not be as much of an issue on 3 lane motorways as it is on 2 lane motorways. I frequently take the exit on the M8 JCT3 Livingston exit with cars going below 55mph forcing lorries into the outside lane and slowing the rest of the motorway up. I also find the "slow" approach encourages last minute exit "divers" cutting of at speed would be interested in whether my opinion is on this

Yes, 100% agreed. I passed my test years ago but this is what my third - and last - driving instructor taught me. If I put my signal on when it was unnecessary I was challenged on it, that got me in the mindset of not just observing but processing my decision. You don't want to be on autopilot.

Any information i can take on board as a learner driver will stand me in good stead and help me to become a safer driver i have a test coming up so this will help me on my lessons

23:21 - Would it help flow here to be closer to the pavement to allow the vehicles behind the bus to continue? Appreciate it would need to be after assessing there's nothing waiting to jump out at you from behind the black Fiesta. Worked on my indicator use during my Christmas journeys as I am a bit OCD about using them but also in timing them to avoid confusion.

Ive been taught the more adavance way, but also briefed on indicators where needed. Use of bus lanes off peak too though people still cut in last minute. I do signal for parallel park on a high street though (assertive intentions). However at roundabout signal can be more of a cotitment. My spouse uses a right hand signal which a find very añnoying. Could someine fail with the 4 or more minors in a misuse of signals issue?