SICKLE vs. SWORD... It's Intense.

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If you haven't seen part 1 yet: • I Tried Sickle Fightin...
After seeing how effective this improvised weapon can be up close, a number of people were wondering how it would do against something with longer reach, like an arming sword or longsword. Well, let's find out...
Maybe the tests and discussion in this video can serve as inspiration for character concepts in DnD or other roleplaying games (rogue druid? barbarian shaman?), or perhaps fantasy worlds in written stories, video games, etc. You know, for those who like to bring in some degree of realism for added immersion and whatnot.
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00:00 - 00:40 Intro / RPG character ideas
00:40 - 03:13 The problem of inferior reach & no guard
03:13 - 03:19 An improved design (combat sickle)
03:19 - 06:27 Sparring against single-handed sword
06:27 - 10:55 Sparring: dual wielding against longsword
10:55 - 12:30 Serious drawback: Poor defense
12:30 - 13:03 Does a shield help?
13:03 - 15:14 An unexpected "Achilles' Heel"
15:14 - How well does it work overall?

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  • @512TheWolf512
    @512TheWolf512 Жыл бұрын

    Anyone who ever used a sickle for their intended purpose for more than 10 minutes could tell you that it's not at all an innocent and unassuming tool

  • @gergokerekes4550

    @gergokerekes4550

    Жыл бұрын

    freshly sharpened it is a scary tool, like a machete. just with that you know it is dangerous, the sickle looks soo "tool-ish" but damn keep your hands way above cutting height or you might have to collect your fingers from the grass.

  • @512TheWolf512

    @512TheWolf512

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gergokerekes4550 just like with a scythe. And if you don't keep it properly sharpened, it won't do it's job at all

  • @gergokerekes4550

    @gergokerekes4550

    Жыл бұрын

    @@512TheWolf512 yeah, where I live there is at least one accident with them each summer my wife is a surgeon and she pulls ER shifts a lot, she once had to suture more than 40 centimeters becouse some poor guy got cut with one in his leg and the blade rode up his bone gnarly stuff. effective tools, but damn they require more attention than many would expect.

  • @512TheWolf512

    @512TheWolf512

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gergokerekes4550 yeah I nearly sliced my right index finger off this summer when sharpening a scythe

  • @deli8878

    @deli8878

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gergokerekes4550 Dang that's gnarly. Just to elaborate you mean like the blade didn't cut into the bone so it deflected and rode up the bone, ending up leaving a hanging piece of flesh off the bone? If so that's one ugly and messy scene/

  • @Gakulon
    @Gakulon Жыл бұрын

    That hook around the neck is delightfully brutal; the sickle is definitely cool enough to build character concepts around like those from the beginning

  • @alphastronghold715

    @alphastronghold715

    Жыл бұрын

    Possible character idea as well: a fighter with the grappler feat who uses the sickles for said grappling. They seemed quite effective at that in the video, and honestly a lot of the flaws seem to be counteracted if using heavy armor.

  • @drewlytle2281
    @drewlytle2281 Жыл бұрын

    When I was doing Olympic style fencing, my coach was about 5'6. He often said that in the case of a height difference which usually meant reach difference, you let them come to you. Have them advance and try and time to attack when they're foot is in the air still.

  • @heavenlysteel8337

    @heavenlysteel8337

    Жыл бұрын

    Makes sense. You have less distance to close when the opponent is not moving backwards trying to kite you. I don't do any martial arts but I think this is a primary component of counter-striking.

  • @davyhype6502

    @davyhype6502

    Жыл бұрын

    The shotel plzzz

  • @Noeyk200

    @Noeyk200

    Жыл бұрын

    I learned the exact same thing in boxing. I was a very tall kid, and my coach taught me this principle so I would understand what my opponents wanted. The only problem with the strategy of waiting for your opponent to approach is that a good opponent will know that’s what you want. They never have to come to you; they can simply wait for you to come to them. They don’t have to play on your terms. That’s exactly what my coach taught me to do, and it worked really well in boxing, so I imagine it works even better in fencing, since fencing is a sport where a single touch decides the winner.

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    this is quite literally the only effective way to use sickles with a reach disadvantage outside of just constantly attacking in an almost war cadence alternating grips and stiking hands to not give them the chance to counter, except the focus is less on their footwork and more on the elbow and shoulder, they tell you where the strikes momentum carries allowing you to anticipate parry and counter hopefully lethally on the first try. im more a fan of the constant attack method cause its more fun and with enough practice very rarely fails, where as the defensive style requires much more fine motor skill and training

  • @hrothgarnogar

    @hrothgarnogar

    Жыл бұрын

    @@davyhype6502 What even is the point of your comment here???

  • @anthonylamonica8301
    @anthonylamonica8301 Жыл бұрын

    Now I actually want someone to make Skall a dueling sickle, with slightly adjusted blade geometry and a hand-guard. He could rightly claim that it's for yard work. Also, I want to see a "double plebian combo" with a machete in the main hand with the dueling sickle in the off hand. Go full peasant!

  • @ragingmurder8073

    @ragingmurder8073

    Жыл бұрын

    Club main hand sickle offhand for blunt damage enthusiast's

  • @corwinhyatt519

    @corwinhyatt519

    Жыл бұрын

    Isn't a machete in that hypothetical roughly the same as a falchion, messer or cutlass?

  • @anthonylamonica8301

    @anthonylamonica8301

    Жыл бұрын

    @@corwinhyatt519 Kinda, but not really. They handle differently due to variations in blade geometry, which makes sense because machetes were intended to be used on densely overgrown foliage, not people. _Obviously_ the design is _plenty_ effective against flesh and bone, but that wasn't the true objective of the machete.

  • @CtrlAltRetreat

    @CtrlAltRetreat

    Жыл бұрын

    Just get a tree trimmer bill hook and your peasant will have a proper polearm to start with without being at a disadvantage in the first place

  • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149

    @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149

    Жыл бұрын

    Or _The Gigapeasant,_ wielder of the mighty two-handed sickle.

  • @connerymilne6466
    @connerymilne6466 Жыл бұрын

    I am reminded of when I used to spar in martial arts, the biggest advantage I could have was to just have longer arms than the other guy

  • @admirallister7847

    @admirallister7847

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm nearly 6'6 and it's the only thing that keeps me going when I spar with my friend with far better footwork than me

  • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149

    @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149

    Жыл бұрын

    *sad short noises*

  • @RohandaveSingh-xz6td

    @RohandaveSingh-xz6td

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah but only for striking because being shorter actually makes kne better and grappling

  • @stevemessenger9375
    @stevemessenger9375 Жыл бұрын

    dude... the sickle just looks so brutal, picturing unarmored combat... town would look like a Jackson Pollack

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    they're brutal in armored combat as well provided it isnt chain mail. you aim for the gaps in armor to dismember, from the bottom of the shoulder, where the coif meets the chest, the back of the knee so on and so forth

  • @cosmiclive4437
    @cosmiclive4437 Жыл бұрын

    I love the audible groan after having to get bodied for using the sickle. Having that much of a reach disadvantage sounds extremely frustrating, I agree.

  • @sidecharacter7165

    @sidecharacter7165

    Жыл бұрын

    A shield might help you get in close where you have the advantage.

  • @stevetaylorftw
    @stevetaylorftw Жыл бұрын

    Mismatched matchups with your analysis really help me understand what makes a weapon “good”. Thanks for doing this! More, please!

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    there is no good or bade type of blade only individuals that are either good or bad with that blade, im trained in kama (japanese short blade sickles), have beat swords, but at the same time have lost a few times to individuals using sais, because they offer more utility but do the same job in essence, controlling your opponents arc of attack. so there is almost no such thing as a bad weapon, granted there are some but even those few that are genuinely bad, like the lantern shield (google it) which only works to its full potential at night have had people that were wildly successful with them. it is a matter of the time and effort each individual is willing to put into any given weapon that determines its value in combat. my instructor always used to tell me "weapons may break men, but it is the man who makes it a weapon"

  • @Skallagrim

    @Skallagrim

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rocconatale9503 Well, different weapons have pros and cons, and some are at a serious disadvantage against others. When a fighter is able to win with an inferior weapon it simply means that their skill / experience / physical fitness is far enough ahead of the opponent to compensate for that disadvantage.

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Skallagrim thats what i just said though. And you are agreeing with me the individual is what makes the weapon dangerous. I have seen people beat longswords with a foil the weapon means nothing its the person that uses it. *at least in sport* i will say though that in actual combat the disadvantage feels much more real and is enough to psyche almost anyone out when you realize your weapon of choice is under a foot

  • @Nerdnumberone

    @Nerdnumberone

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rocconatale9503 something like the sickle is still a "bad weapon" in this sort of fight because you need a significant skill differential to even make it a fair fight. The sickle user is playing on "hard mode". Just because there exists a person who can beat you with their dominant hand tied behind their back doesn't mean that having a hand tied behind your back isn't objectively a disadvantage. A weapon can't win or lose a fight on its own, but it can certainly make it harder or easier, therefore we can rate weapons against each other.

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Nerdnumberone you literally cant. A weapons effectiveness is entirely based on the person wielding it. objectively comparing weapons based on pros and cons means nothing. The only thing it allows you to do is determine which are harder or easier to learn. It does not speak to their effectiveness and to even attempt to imply otherwise is asinine. I've spent most of my life training with a variety of martial weapons im good with some bad with others but the weapons themselves are nothing more than tools, the utility of the weapon is determined by the craftsman just the same way that any other tools effectiveness is.

  • @admirallister7847
    @admirallister7847 Жыл бұрын

    I'd love a followup/next in series for sickles, where Skall gives in depth thoughts as to how to improve sickle combat & design, the pros and cons of different ideas, possibly settling on one, and working with a blacksmith to make it

  • @Ithirahad

    @Ithirahad

    Жыл бұрын

    That sounds exciting. We've seen the Skallagrim Reaper, now it's time for the... Sickle-agrim?

  • @maninsomati5681

    @maninsomati5681

    Жыл бұрын

    Agree! would love to see some "war sickle"!

  • @Sanya6496

    @Sanya6496

    Жыл бұрын

    That would be sick. Yeah, talking about pros and cons and improving sickle combat is a great idea!

  • @zenhydra

    @zenhydra

    Жыл бұрын

    There is already an improvement on the sickle as a weapon (several actually), the shotel being one of them. The larger size blade, and greater mass, means that it is more difficult to displace its intercepting blade. I'm curious about how effective a shotel (or other comparable sickle-sword) would be with an appropriately scaled complex hilt.

  • @Sanya6496

    @Sanya6496

    Жыл бұрын

    @@zenhydra Ooh. Shotel like weapon with a useful guard could be quite a fun thing to mess with how effectively someone could hook a blade and score hits in unusual ways.

  • @devanpretorius451
    @devanpretorius451 Жыл бұрын

    if you added a hand guard, it would probably have been better, still looks really cool and for a rogue/ assassin seems perfect. Great vid and gives insight into how tropes might be better implemented in media and gives a great learning experience. Thanks for great contene!

  • @grits_taste_good415

    @grits_taste_good415

    Жыл бұрын

    Why not a clam shell gauntlet?

  • @devanpretorius451

    @devanpretorius451

    Жыл бұрын

    @@grits_taste_good415 Maybe, I dunno. I jus really like guards that cover the hand like Skall's photoshopped picture of a sickle with a hand guard. Edit: Also I imagine having a sword hit directly on your knuckles even with a gauntlet like that would probably be very painful, which isn't really a problem with full hand guards that are attached to the weapon, nut hey, I have never really spared with anything but Skall did mention this in some of his vids.

  • @davyhype6502

    @davyhype6502

    Жыл бұрын

    The shotel is op

  • @davyhype6502

    @davyhype6502

    Жыл бұрын

    Does the shotel solves the issue of sickle

  • @devanpretorius451

    @devanpretorius451

    Жыл бұрын

    @@davyhype6502 alot of shotels don't seem to have that much of a guard but are much longer so has other advantages but no it doesn't really because it is a long curved sword, not a short sickle as Skall shows off in the video, but thanks for reminding me of it, it is still under appreciated and cool despite not really relating to the discussion. :D

  • @kounurasaka5590
    @kounurasaka5590 Жыл бұрын

    The thing that I find the most interesting from these kinds of tests, is how likely it is that each fighter would end up with some kind of injury. Assuming both fighters are of comparable skill, even the victor is still walking away with some cuts and stab wounds (assuming limited armor options). It really makes me wonder how common debilitating injuries would have been even for those who survived most battles.

  • @ezrafaulk3076
    @ezrafaulk3076 Жыл бұрын

    To sum it all up, *no* weapon's perfect, every single one has its strengths and weaknesses, and the one you pick should always be what works best for *you* and the situation *you're* gonna be in.

  • @mitchelrowe6915

    @mitchelrowe6915

    Жыл бұрын

    Which is not likely going to be a sickle... Badass tho

  • @feritperliare2890

    @feritperliare2890

    Жыл бұрын

    And since you are limited by money and the likelihood of situations a single weapon should be your answer so what should it be? For self defense probably a sword I think is fair and in times of war the spear is great

  • @mitchelrowe6915

    @mitchelrowe6915

    Жыл бұрын

    @@feritperliare2890 9mm

  • @civilprotectionunit8145

    @civilprotectionunit8145

    Жыл бұрын

    @@feritperliare2890 I think a halberd might be better

  • @victoriazero8869

    @victoriazero8869

    Жыл бұрын

    @@feritperliare2890 Historically, at some point, the sword *was* the expensive option. This wasn't different whether it's in Europe or Japan. Sickle is cheaper than swords like it's not funny. Hell they're much cheaper even in modern age, a good sickle is cheaper than dirt wallhanger.

  • @YourLocalHimbo36
    @YourLocalHimbo36 Жыл бұрын

    Skall became Death, straight up

  • @youremakingprogress144
    @youremakingprogress144 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent work! I love the technical breakdown, the sparring footage was illuminating, and there were plenty of laughs to be had. I also think it's impressive that Skall doesn't take himself too seriously and doesn't treat the sparring as a competition. High five to Sindri, too. (Is that his real name, or a nickname from the mythical dwarven smith?)

  • @y_magaming9798
    @y_magaming9798 Жыл бұрын

    There's a Korean group that was using a double ended scythe against a katana or samgakdo. Love that group

  • @tekinahlat7378

    @tekinahlat7378

    Жыл бұрын

    Are they dead?

  • @bigheadrhino

    @bigheadrhino

    Жыл бұрын

    I think you're talking about Weaponism. I love that channel.

  • @anthonychristian3179

    @anthonychristian3179

    Жыл бұрын

    @@tekinahlat7378 lmao

  • @marcogenovesi8570
    @marcogenovesi8570 Жыл бұрын

    Interesting, they seem to be much more viable than daggers against bigger weapons

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    With proper training you could use either against larger weapons. I would take someone with a sword using a daga and in fact have in scrimmage, but yeah sickles and kamas are objectively better at fighting outside of their weight class

  • @TrueFork

    @TrueFork

    Жыл бұрын

    clearly sickles are meant for dual wielding

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TrueFork no one said they werent?

  • @nkyfong

    @nkyfong

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rocconatale9503, except for ninjas.

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nkyfong thats not true. Kama the japanese sickle are almost strictly dual wield with the exception of some kata that are designed for kodachi and kama, there are however kusurigama (chain kama's) that typically only have a kama on one side and a counter weight on the other that you can use as a hammer. So no even most ninjas dual wielded them since kusurigama is one of the harder weapons most of them wouldnt have been using it everyday

  • @junemoeggenborg1873
    @junemoeggenborg1873 Жыл бұрын

    For me the really cool thing is hearing your mindset and possible improvements! Because all i could think was "wait, that sounds like a Chinese hook sword!" Longer reach, fairly complex hand protection, yet still with the advantages of the sickle!

  • @adambielen8996

    @adambielen8996

    Жыл бұрын

    Well that would be a bit more similar to a one handed Dacian Falx.

  • @TheLithp

    @TheLithp

    Жыл бұрын

    I was thinking, "Besides the guard, you could add a point that extends beyond the hook for stabbing," only to realize that I just reinvented the oddly-named chicken sickles.

  • @bartweijs
    @bartweijs Жыл бұрын

    If I remember correctly, there were some Kusarigama with handguards for that particular reason. However; any actual farmer would much rather grab his pitchfork, sharpened spade or threshing flail as an improvised weapon. Also, sickles were extremely light, thin and made from plain iron, not steel. A moderate strike from a twohander would go straight through the blade.

  • @Transmissional
    @TransmissionalАй бұрын

    I honestly really like watching these videos because you just genuinely seem to have fun doing this. And even if you for some reason completely stopped KZread you would probably still be sparring with your friends until the day you physically can't. So thanks for the video, and I hope life is well for you :)

  • @panoctic
    @panoctic Жыл бұрын

    now i remember the guy from sleepy hollow, decided to grab two sicles to fight the horseman then gets cut in half.

  • @ryanart7241
    @ryanart7241 Жыл бұрын

    Love it skall. Always appreciate the hard work and study you put into these vids.

  • @tommeakin1732
    @tommeakin1732 Жыл бұрын

    This has only just occurred to me, but do you think one of the companies that create these synthetic weapons would custom build your requests as part of what would essentially be a sponsorship deal...? I know it'd be painfully inefficient and expensive for them to just build a very small number, but I honestly know nothing about their manufacturing process to know how expensive it'd be for them. I was just thinking it'd be kind of cool if you could look at a weapon like this sickle, speculate on what would improve it (like added hand protection), have someone build a practice version for you, and then you go and spar with it ^^

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    a lot of them are either made of similar stuff as fencing foils or neoprene both are usually done with molds, pretty expensive cause each new design is a new mold entirely

  • @falfires
    @falfires Жыл бұрын

    The SNICK-SNACK of double sickles before a bout seems hella intimidating.

  • @snideaugustine2143
    @snideaugustine2143 Жыл бұрын

    Love these vids Skall! Great stuff. It’s nice that you show actual footage and analysis rather than gimmicks. As a writer I appreciate this -immensely-. This has definitely inspired me to improve the sickle design into a dedicated weapon for my book.

  • @jarcuadanantus28
    @jarcuadanantus28 Жыл бұрын

    Man, I really love these sickle videos. They're just so interesting. But if the main drawback is the lack of reach, what if instead of a rapier and dagger, one's offhand was the sickle?

  • @GeorgeCowsert
    @GeorgeCowsert Жыл бұрын

    Now I wanna see what using the sickle as an off-handed weapon could do, sortof like how Rapier and Dagger fighting is considered to be superior solely because you have something to attack with mid-parry.

  • @Reverend_Salem

    @Reverend_Salem

    4 ай бұрын

    especially since the sickle seems to be fairly good as a parrying weapon. paired with a good sized onehanded sword it likely would be a great combo.

  • @tiltskillet7085
    @tiltskillet7085 Жыл бұрын

    Great video. Apart from the ease of hitting with the swords, the percentage of hits that looked like they'd be immediately debilitating was much higher.

  • @Sodalis_
    @Sodalis_ Жыл бұрын

    Loving the sparring videos+breakdown! It really brings the narrative and explanations to life

  • @jarongreen5480
    @jarongreen5480 Жыл бұрын

    By the way Skallagrim, this was brought to mind by the reference in video, but I actually played Castlevania for the first time recently and it was really awesome! I see why you reference it all the time.

  • @Profile__1
    @Profile__1 Жыл бұрын

    Hey Skallagrim, I'm sure you've already been told, but I'd suggest for you to get into making more "shorts." They seem really popular, and I know they typically get a ton of random viewers in too. Your content has always been super interesting and highly immersive, plus you yourself are a really interesting speaker/narrator/educator with how you approach topics and teach. I think Shorts would definitely benefit you with the numbers and stuff as well as give you the opportunity to do more one-off skits or topics. But this is just a random recommendation coming from a random fan.

  • @manuelunger9360

    @manuelunger9360

    Жыл бұрын

    Agree

  • @comradebork

    @comradebork

    Жыл бұрын

    I hate shorts so much I'm watching naked. The problem is navigation: shorts have inferior and awkward controls.

  • @Profile__1

    @Profile__1

    Жыл бұрын

    @@comradebork That's true, but I think KZread is definitely going to mess around with that soon since most of their views and interactions are coming from those.

  • @johnbennett1465

    @johnbennett1465

    Жыл бұрын

    @@comradebork apparently it depends on the app. On my Android tablet, I see both with the same viewer and therefore the same controls.

  • @dux5525

    @dux5525

    Жыл бұрын

    I thought that you don't make much from Shorts though.

  • @SuperOtter13
    @SuperOtter13 Жыл бұрын

    I love this kind of content. Fascinating weapon. Thank you for putting this all together for us. Cheers!

  • @DesignerBerg
    @DesignerBerg Жыл бұрын

    I friggin love the camerawork, editing, commentary and overall epic content of this video! It's even better than the last one!

  • @acemarvel1564
    @acemarvel1564 Жыл бұрын

    If used correctly this can definitely be a devastating one on one combat weapon style

  • @easternhills1329
    @easternhills1329 Жыл бұрын

    It was a fantastic video. I feel like skall used more side movement with two sickles later on. Perhaps the trick is to not provide the longer reach weapon the comfort of standard fight and use the mobility to force the swordsman into bad footwork? 🤔

  • @gravecrawler1749
    @gravecrawler1749 Жыл бұрын

    That was awesome!! Love the content and super glad to see you guys in action!!

  • @Zarkonem
    @Zarkonem Жыл бұрын

    These are my favorite kinds of videos you do. Keep up the good work Skall!

  • @lukahumar1371
    @lukahumar1371 Жыл бұрын

    The sickle would definitely be a devastating weapon with minor improvements, it does need some hand protection though. I'd maybe try a longer handle too (not by much tho), possibly with a hidden dagger in it for that bonus assassin points

  • @arly803
    @arly803 Жыл бұрын

    any thought to follow up with an improved combat sickle? i.e. a hand guard and somekind of cross or hook at the base of the blade to catch+hold a blade.

  • @shaderax_storm6165

    @shaderax_storm6165

    Жыл бұрын

    Obvious answer to deal with reach issues is to put it on a stick... That's a scythe. Or put it on a chain, that's a kama. I do like the Khopesh though, a blacksmith close to where I live makes beautiful bronze ones... I wonder if there was a sword made for cutting round corners?

  • @kris4786

    @kris4786

    Жыл бұрын

    @@shaderax_storm6165 there are African swords for hooking shields and striking around them.

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    @@shaderax_storm6165 kamas are not on a chain. kamas are short bladed front facing sickles, kusurigama is the chain sickle

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kris4786 although the continent was Africa the swords were egyptian and persian not african the shotel was the ethiopian one and it wasnt meant to disarm like the khopesh or the shamshir is. although it is capable of doing so.

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    @@kris4786 my bad i just noticed you were talking about stirking over shields which is exactly what the african one is for lmao

  • @HereticalKitsune
    @HereticalKitsune Жыл бұрын

    Really liked the fighting montage, first in first person, then from the outside for a clearer picture. Nice work!

  • @droolhd
    @droolhd Жыл бұрын

    Great insights, I really love these types of videos even though reviews are nice too.

  • @markrod20
    @markrod20 Жыл бұрын

    Now I curious how sickle would do against spear and other weapons with long shaft. Hooking against those weapons should be more deadly I think. It was a pleasure to watch all this sparing. It's very intresting see this weapon in action. I still think in a fantasy setting giving weapon like this to undead creatures is a good idea. They don't care about being damaged, but can go full offense with it bypass enemy armor by slashing weak spots.

  • @unusualfabrication9937
    @unusualfabrication9937 Жыл бұрын

    love to see a specially designed battle sickle

  • @jacobgrossman794
    @jacobgrossman794 Жыл бұрын

    Boosting the algorithm, I love your content skal, you should do a video on different types of shields!

  • @laason1091
    @laason1091 Жыл бұрын

    These sickle videos have been really great, my favorite type of content on your channel. More more more

  • @I_am_ENSanity
    @I_am_ENSanity Жыл бұрын

    If you have good armor I could imagine dual wielding scythes could work. Use one hand to always bind while the other focuses solely on damage.

  • @Sanya6496
    @Sanya6496 Жыл бұрын

    As always, excellent video! With all this talk of sickles, I'm wondering if you could maybe talk about the Shotel and sort of seeing how a sickle like weapon with a bit more reach would handle. I don't know if you'd actually be able to do it, but it would be interesting and might give me a better idea of the mechanics of such a weapon (I'm planning for one of my future dnd characters to use one).

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    Think of swinging around a curved stick now flatten it out and put a double edge on it boom you got a shotel. Its mostly just parry and slash in one fluid motion at its simplest form from what i understand

  • @temushin
    @temushin Жыл бұрын

    These are the really important questions that need answers. Totally on-board for this content.

  • @leothelion4464
    @leothelion4464 Жыл бұрын

    Love your videos. They're always good for game ideas and get the gears going.

  • @Ranstone
    @Ranstone Жыл бұрын

    In all honesty, I would still feel uncomfortable using a sickle against an unarmed attacker. Every real fight I have ever lost was because my grappling sucks. I _need_ the ability to stab to feel confident.

  • @sidecharacter7165

    @sidecharacter7165

    Жыл бұрын

    Make the outer edge as sharp as the inner then maybe?

  • @boredchild6631

    @boredchild6631

    Жыл бұрын

    Learn wrestling

  • @SoldierBoy_snippet
    @SoldierBoy_snippet Жыл бұрын

    Pick it up.

  • @rommix0

    @rommix0

    Жыл бұрын

    pick... it... UP!

  • @Phil-S8
    @Phil-S8 Жыл бұрын

    Awesome breakdown Would love to see more like this

  • @steevemartial4084
    @steevemartial4084 Жыл бұрын

    Very cool video. Love this format.

  • @Subarashii_Nem
    @Subarashii_Nem Жыл бұрын

    A lot of it seems to be "I take a hit but I hit you at the same time!" Which is less than ideal. If you have to get hit to hit, that means it's not good. A crazy weapon, a creative one but not one I'd choose. If I had nothing else than sure but I'd pick a sword or axe or blunt weapon over a sickle every single time! But then I'm not a fighter or athletic so I could be way off. Though I don't see any reason why you'd choose a sickle over a sword if you had the choice. Again, if it's all you had it's better than nothing but if you had the choice, I think almost everyone would choose a sword instead.

  • @marcogenovesi8570

    @marcogenovesi8570

    Жыл бұрын

    taking a hit while also getting hit is somewhat common in sparring and the main reason shields and armor were invented. Parrying with your weapon relies on you correctly guessing what the opponent is going to do and that simply isn't guaranteed. If you go with weapons that are absolute garbage at parrying like an axe, a shield is more or less a requirement That said yeah the sickle is an inferior weapon but is probably better than most other short weapons and daggers because it's better at controlling the opponent's blade

  • @gustavoalejandro3432

    @gustavoalejandro3432

    Жыл бұрын

    i think it would be more useful in indoor combat, its a small weapon wich can be hidden in close space, like the wakizashi (sorry for my english)

  • @GameTimeWhy

    @GameTimeWhy

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gustavoalejandro3432 you're English is good!

  • @EclipsisTenebris
    @EclipsisTenebris Жыл бұрын

    I am trained in a rare style similar to this. The trick is... and this sounds really dumb at first and without training... a low stance and hopping/scittering around moreso than actually walking.

  • @Ithirahad

    @Ithirahad

    Жыл бұрын

    Makes sense. Keeps your legs within your own reach so you don't get chunked below where you can block and helps a little with the leverage problem, right?

  • @EclipsisTenebris

    @EclipsisTenebris

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Ithirahad Yes, it keeps the legs within the own reach but unfortunately there's no fixing the leverage. What it does do, is allow for better movement since you never put too much weight on one leg to move in any direction and you can lunge quickly at your opponent with a hop if you see an opening for grappling or striking. Also, it's part of Ninjutsu so it's very exhaustive and only meant to overwhelm an opponent quickly. Drawn-out fighting like this would be killer on your legs, regardless of training. It's very specialized.

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    Would it happen to be ryukyu kama kabudo?

  • @EclipsisTenebris

    @EclipsisTenebris

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rocconatale9503 close but no. It's possible they had the same origin. We use a lower stance than the Ryukyu style and we connect the two kama with a chain to form it into a rare type of kusarigama sometimes referred to as a Nikama. Also, as I said before it's a Ninjutsu style, not a Kobudo style. That said, some of the techniques are very similar.

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    @@EclipsisTenebris apologies i didn't see the earlier posts, i was just guessing because i trained the ryukyu kabudo, and from what you described its pretty similar. I was just excited to see someone else that might use ryukyu style. And i just recently started trying to encorparte the kusurigama with meteor hammer into my ryukyu i have been beating the crap out of myself with it for like 3 months now lol

  • @brungrisatre5968
    @brungrisatre5968 Жыл бұрын

    I loved the video and seeing the sickles in action. Even if they're not an ideal weapon, it's still a joy to watch. Thanks Skall!

  • @alone4156
    @alone4156 Жыл бұрын

    Last one, I promise for now, your channel is the first one I look for when I turn my Smart TV on my friend

  • @kurage_medusa
    @kurage_medusa Жыл бұрын

    When dual wielding sickles, would holding one sickle in reverse grip (similar to ice-pick grip on a dagger) make a lot of the mid to low blocks easier? That could be part of the reason for japanese kama reverse-grip techniques

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes. But there is no universal grip that you maintain, using sickles, kama, or kusurigama you should be changing your grip to suit each individual strike or parry, there really isnt a great way to block with sickles your best option is to bind and counter or parry then riposte to either the throat or stomach but as soon as the riposte bites you slash outward for maximum damage. But If you land a good bind on an opponent with only one weapon while using sickles you have the opportunity to end it right there.

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    And parries although possible with sickles are ill advised and very difficult i have a total of 8 years training with kamas between being taught and just independant practice and scrimmage and I will go for a bind 10/10 before i even think about parrying because when you parry with a sickle the length of your blade means that by the time they roll off your parry they are literally one foot from your face or vitals (less with kamas) and can just immediately slash you unless you have superhuman rexflexes and manage to reset and parry again within a window of about 3 seconds.

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    But the reverse grip kama techniques are all about free range of motion it gives you the option to feint roll and turn while slashing and suprisingly suddenly at that

  • @Skallagrim

    @Skallagrim

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't see any benefit of holding a sickle / kama in reverse grip. You're shortening your reach *even more* while also exposing your hand more.

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Skallagrim reverse grip is common both in sickle and kama both for defense as well as powerstrikes. And when using kamas specifically there is a lot more movement, tumbling, spinning attacks and the like, reverse grip ensures you cant stab yourself while you do these. And to add grip shouldnt be universal with any small arms your grip changes depending on your action.

  • @romerus6087
    @romerus6087 Жыл бұрын

    Can't a sword just overpower those tiny sickles? I mean, it seens that a proper sword would have enough force to push those sickles even when parried, making contact with the body. Of course I have no idea of how this works, i'm just speculating. EDIT: haha, never comment before watching the whole video. Got my answer at 11:00.

  • @trychydts
    @trychydts Жыл бұрын

    I love these in-depth analysis.

  • @oakashthornman7834
    @oakashthornman7834 Жыл бұрын

    This is what I love from you Skall, keep it up!

  • @ColArana
    @ColArana Жыл бұрын

    Really nice analysis, and it's great to see your sparring footage!

  • @MalloonTarka
    @MalloonTarka Жыл бұрын

    This was really interesting and I'd love to see more of these style of videos.

  • @shaidrim
    @shaidrim Жыл бұрын

    Nice vid as always. Like the double pov.

  • @teddyhoffman8391
    @teddyhoffman8391 Жыл бұрын

    I really liked this video and the one before it. Really opened up some ideas, while keeping in mind the drawbacks =)

  • @bpb210
    @bpb210 Жыл бұрын

    I love the commentary during the sparring; both written and voice over.

  • @Schenkel101
    @Schenkel101 Жыл бұрын

    Next episode, sickle and hammer fighting

  • @shadowdwellerm3113
    @shadowdwellerm3113 Жыл бұрын

    Im soo glad you decided to continue experimenting with the sickle!!! i very much enjoyed this video as well! id be curious to find out how sickles would be against short or long axes or a pair of hatchets?? like two farmers having a disagreement, if mite work or not?? it would be amazing if someone could make you a pair of sickles with hand guards to see if that would make much of a difference , obviously reach would still be an issue against those longer weapons, it would also be interesting to see if a bit of longer handle would make any difference to the reach of the sickle?? but not scythe length or to hear your thoughts on if it would make a difference!! keep up the great work! truly appreciate the efforts that you put into your videos!

  • @yois6349
    @yois6349 Жыл бұрын

    the way you hooked the guard at 5 minutes shook me to my core.

  • @yaoshan5069
    @yaoshan5069 Жыл бұрын

    Love the content lately keep it up skal

  • @M.M.83-U
    @M.M.83-U Жыл бұрын

    This is ultra fun and very interesting at the same time, great work!

  • @ColonelMustache
    @ColonelMustache Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video! I'd love it when you talk about potential applications of improvised weapons (or techniques, like using a bow in melee). Torches and pitchforks next, perhaps?

  • @lolaldanee2743
    @lolaldanee2743 Жыл бұрын

    The sparring footage is really good quality, respect, Sir!

  • @GaiusIncognitus
    @GaiusIncognitus Жыл бұрын

    DUDE! Perfect! This video is absolutely perfect. I love the thoroughness of your testing. I'm glad you show 1st person cam first for the experience, then the 3rd person cam for the explanation. I'm happy you had the text explanations of which hits were effective or not. I even like that you gave the simple answer right at the beginning of the video so people without the patience can still get the satisfaction. I think a PART 3 is due in which you pair the sickle with a variety of weapons and see what the most effective combination would be. Dual sickle? Sickle and straight blade? sickle and axe?? When you find that ideal combo, train with it for a couple weeks and try to entrench the techniques for dual short-range fighting with that combo. It could be a cool part 4 to revisit the fight after training. Seriously, you could make like 60% of your future uploads be this kind of testing weapon(s) against weapon(s). And then doing a sequence of training with them and then doing a rematch. I would watch every one of those.

  • @scottmacgregor3444
    @scottmacgregor3444 Жыл бұрын

    Looks like you had some fun experimental sparring. Good on you.

  • @themaskmaster8013
    @themaskmaster8013 Жыл бұрын

    Great vid bro, I was curious if there was gonna be a second part

  • @sivelti3914
    @sivelti3914 Жыл бұрын

    This was interesting. I liked that this video illustrated the reach advantage well, since in this video I could really see it in action.

  • @sky_tricks_ya6823
    @sky_tricks_ya6823 Жыл бұрын

    I JUST LOVE THE INTRO "PEASANTS GONE WILD" LMFAO

  • @Ivalid321
    @Ivalid321 Жыл бұрын

    Thats the content I've been missing from you!

  • @eainjones9509
    @eainjones9509 Жыл бұрын

    I was working on a tabletop with some mechanics based on more realistic melee combat. You describing the manuals suggesting you wait for the opponent to approach when you're wielding a shorter weapon inspired me!

  • @alone4156
    @alone4156 Жыл бұрын

    This is a great video man.

  • @aspenlord1991
    @aspenlord1991 Жыл бұрын

    Something I enjoyed from the first video was the theory before the sparring. I don’t see a lot of training against compliant opponents on YT and the segment where the two of you were demonstrating the blocks was cool.

  • @FlappyTheSpybot
    @FlappyTheSpybot Жыл бұрын

    Finally got around to watching this. Fun and interesting stuff. I'd love to see more unusual weapons against longswords or arming swords and shields. Perhaps see how the sickle fares against more standard armament when paired with an axe?

  • @hgd_hanylovely7544
    @hgd_hanylovely75449 ай бұрын

    Its funny because in "My Country" we actually still uses sickle ,specifically palm sickle as notorious for being one of the most commond weapon for street fighting , maybe because it was able to counter machete and really good at stabbing and grabbing people but idk more

  • @DaLottiePirate
    @DaLottiePirate Жыл бұрын

    Skall, some of your dodges against the longsword... uff mah man, smooth!!!

  • @simoneriksson8329
    @simoneriksson8329 Жыл бұрын

    Cool video! The sickle faired better than I would have guessed!

  • @benjaminbrand3714
    @benjaminbrand3714 Жыл бұрын

    Loving these sparring videos!

  • @l0rf
    @l0rf Жыл бұрын

    I like the basket hilt sickle. I'm going to try and work that into something, somewhere. Very cool idea and with a little false edge on the outside it would serve well as a secondary weapon for a culture more focused on slices than piercing armour like most of Europe developed into.

  • @l0rf

    @l0rf

    Жыл бұрын

    Though I suppose at that point it almost becomes a Chinese hook sword. Still probably different enough.

  • @edward9674
    @edward9674 Жыл бұрын

    Glad to see some more experimental archaeology being done!

  • @A_Medieval_Shadow
    @A_Medieval_Shadow Жыл бұрын

    The video where each step is stopped and shows what is happening right there is very neat

  • @Mepholar
    @Mepholar Жыл бұрын

    Very fun to watch. Still feels like there is potential to the grapple play of the sickle, but pursuing it feels like a fun novelty. I understand short blade vs short blade isn’t your main pursuit but would watch it any time you post more sparring. There is a frenetic energy to it thats momentum + technique, whereas longer reach weapons rarely showcase the momentum. Would love to see a longer handled sickle with a hand guard. Not to mention if there are any hooked swords with edge on the inside. If you have already made a video of such swords would be great segue to link/ thumbnail.

  • @DeusVultLurch
    @DeusVultLurch Жыл бұрын

    I'd like to see the sickle up against other short weapons rather than vs a longer weapon. That would likely make for some more interesting & surprising conclusions. This also makes me really curious as to how a sword would stand up to a sickle sword. Seeing a medieval sword trainer vs a Street Forge Armory Sickle Sword trainer could have some very interesting results.

  • @rocconatale9503

    @rocconatale9503

    Жыл бұрын

    Firstly sickle swords are ancient and difficult to create sturdy usually b/c they require a much thicker tang to support the body meaning they weigh around a pound or two more than your typical sword and have much more utility. Sword loses to khopesh, shamshir, or shotel 9/10, they arent designed to bind like the sickle swords are and aside from that sickle swords are capable of generating more momentum due to their weight and anatomy. And even ignoring all of that the utility they provide being able to switch to almost any grip or stance without sacrificing power or range is just devastating. Oh and the traditional khopesh specifically is actually designed to disarm your opponent the crook of the blade is actually goes up then down to the hilt which creates a small lip near the base of the blade to catch a blade and all you have to do is twist hard to the outside and often it bind their blade between the lip and body of you own if not just wrench your opponents weapon from their hand.

  • @th3WhiteKnight
    @th3WhiteKnight Жыл бұрын

    Damn I love this type of videos.

  • @I_Willenbrock_I
    @I_Willenbrock_I Жыл бұрын

    Instant like. Awesome follow up to te first video.

  • @Michaah
    @Michaah Жыл бұрын

    It would be so interesting to see you trying these unusual weapons again after half a year of training with them

  • @TimParker-Chambers
    @TimParker-Chambers Жыл бұрын

    Awesome presentation, thankyou 👍👍👍👍

  • @alone4156
    @alone4156 Жыл бұрын

    Damn! That catch and throat slice to the right. Chef's kiss and s***

  • @JesusRodriguez-fz4rr
    @JesusRodriguez-fz4rr Жыл бұрын

    Really enjoying the sickles!

  • @GinoLuccio
    @GinoLuccio Жыл бұрын

    Sparring video's always +1!

  • @pay4934
    @pay4934 Жыл бұрын

    Nice demonstration 👍

  • @Cold-Blooded-Jay
    @Cold-Blooded-Jay Жыл бұрын

    The sickle just looks awesome. When you land a hit, it's like a preying mantis grabbing a grasshopper.

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