One point in favor of trashtalk is that the constant uncalled for slander of Hbox has turned him into the richest guy in the community

@Belive7heHype

6 ай бұрын

I respect hbox for not leaving

* says hateful shit * "I'll never stop improving as a person" 🤣

Trash talk is fine just keep it to the game. Like Punk for example I see a lot of ppl get mad at him, but he never takes it too far imo. I think gamers just take things too personal sometimes.

@nathanlevesque7812

6 ай бұрын

it's code for bullying

@RedDenim

5 ай бұрын

NBA players trash talk all the time and it sometimes makes for amazing moments. Im all for trash talk during matches

@bigboibif7798

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, I agree but also theres a significant difference between shitting on someones gameplay and shitting on someone personally because of their gameplay. I think people rarely take it too far but it definitely does happen in competitive games

@RedDenim

5 ай бұрын

@@bigboibif7798 all facts, when they take it to twitter instead of in front of each other thats when it gets gay as hell

7:45 Personally. I think Ganondorf would be against homophobia, transphobia, and racism. He wipes out all mortals indiscriminately.

@TyroRobin

6 ай бұрын

plus he's always trying to get link's attention, aint no way he isnt a little fruity

@CarbonMalite

6 ай бұрын

Maybe that's why he destroys everything, cuz phobia will destroy mankind anyways

@fr0stdr4ke95

6 ай бұрын

@@TyroRobin Trust. The Suavemente meme is canon. I asked Miyamoto. He told me that Ganondorf used it to seduce Link.

@Substantial-hf1rm

6 ай бұрын

Nah that boy Ganon is definitely a misogynist, his people legit set him up for it too. They don't call him top G for nothing.

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

@@CarbonMalite Fuuuuuck bro

stepped away from smash for over a year and started getting really into pro wrestling. trash talk is critical for getting people really involved in the shit going on in the game, at every level. idec if it's fabricated to any extent, smash players (who are lowkey getting bored enough to even watch) are probably foaming at the mouth for something to sink their teeth into. smash is a really tolerant and safe space for people of all backgrounds which is great, but I think that also makes us lose sight of the fact that places can be both competitive and accepting at the same time. competition breeds competition. if you're uncomfortable with any level of conflict, then you should say that outright if you are experiencing something in the moment. i think anyone, if asked, would stop screaming ab shit if they were just asked respectfully. unless it's some heinous shit, keep your ass off twitter and COMPETE in this shit. smash space is rly soft and it's no secret we let shit get too black and white. yell for the homies and be respectful if someone asks you not to do it in their ears. if you can't handle it, play wifi or learn how to compete better. this game is a spectacle and its our spectacle so let's make it lit. purrr

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

If you need to trash talk to remember you are competing, I think that just makes you an asshole.

@legrandliseurtri7495

6 ай бұрын

I gotta say I do not understand the appeal of real-life combat sports at all. I find it boring and I dislike that people are hurting other people just to entertain.

I feel like a lot of people answered the question before watching the video LOL all good tho.

I think the reason still go back and watch the LTG x Viscant video is because people love trash talk. Half the clips in those "best of the excellent fighting game community" videos is just people talking trash. If we get rid of it completely then we may as well slap a suit and tie on and boot up Overwatch.

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

That's an fgc video. That's irrelevant to smash dude

@hd9y1jdjad

6 ай бұрын

​@@debeb5148@debeb5148 that video features Smash clips like the old Leffen Vs Chillendude. The trash talk / banter dynamic is the same bud. Also the thread he highlighted is literally about the FGC.

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

@@hd9y1jdjad I am talking about ltg vs viscant being irrelevant to smash. The fgc handles rivalries differently. Smashers just play the fucking game. We think trash talk is irrelevant to begin with.

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

@blurry.magnets Well the fgc speaks for themselves when they say, "We don't want ourselves anywhere near the smash community," I have seen it for years. Smash and fgc are not affiliated with eachother in any way. I speak only in truths

@nathanlevesque7812

6 ай бұрын

fgc literally just means fighting game community @@debeb5148

I’ve been done with the smash community I’m here for TK moving on to the FGC. Awesome seeing you during the Top 8. keep up Good work.

yo tuning into tekken top 8 and hearing your voice was very refreshing, hope you continue doing it

I didn't watch Smash, but i did watch Tekken 8 and it was great to hear you there!! Really hope to hear more from you there

I was hype/surprised to see you commentating in Tekken 8 💯

Love you TK

I'm a resident salt lord when grinding online fighting games, and man I wish SF6 had voice chat sometimes lmao, there was this one mashy ass ryu I fought one time where I said to my friends watching my stream "this ryu player definitely wakes up and eats a bowl of bolts with coolant instead of milk for breakfast" and like, I just want that player to know how bad he is is that too much to ask?

I saw a tweet by someone and I’m sorry for not sourcing it but it said that we should vote for two reps in are own state like the Senate. Bro that would be sick

Bro legend really isn’t ever gonna be held accountable huh

15:35 That was a dig at Sonix for being 4th before full rankings lmaoooo.

Tasteful trash talk always makes stuff funnier and I feel like is a part of the FGC's soul, and as long as we're not doing personal attacks or saying some awful shit like slurs Im in favor for it But I do see it hard cuz people are different and will take it differently, but I would be sad if it turned the way like some more mainstream games are, like league or overwatch, where saying even the tamest shit gets you shot

@Tkbreezy---you can damage your brain and nervous system by holding a sneeze in. The air you can push out can reach up 50 mphs, and you're forcing that back inside at its highest top most velocity. I know someone who sneezed, hit the floor, and was OUT for 3 weeks. I'm not sorry for being highly descriptive. Stop doing that, man. 😅

When it comes to trash talk, It’s great as long as it doesn’t get too personal

Man they should have a 100 man battle city tournament style fgc event

ayoo I see the rdc merch!!

🎵 I'm a loser, baby. A loser God damn baby. 🎶

No we should not leave trash talk behind I need content to watch

Ahhh... No. People need to relearn how not to take things personal. It's a highly competitive, intense, fighting game. Trash talk and tempers are going to flair. It's a natural thing. Don't take it personal, it isn't.

@erikrevier4053

6 ай бұрын

Oh jeez lol I commented this in the first 30 seconds and didn't realize the turn this was going to make from the title lol. yeah keep that bigot shit out of here, go ahead and leave mekk, bye.

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

Nah trash talk is personal. If you are going to say rude shit and hide behind, "well it's banter" go to the fgc. We don't do that here in Smash. We don't need to, we are friendly and inclusive.

@supershot9729

6 ай бұрын

So inclusive you guys even let p3dos play with you! This scene wouldn't be nearly as popular if the personalities of the players couldn't shine through and trash talk is literally a part of that

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

@@supershot9729 That's cap lmao. Lots of the notorious pedos in the scene were banned. Stop spreading lies.

@supershot9729

6 ай бұрын

​@@debeb5148 and some have been sheltered by the community before being kicked if kicked at all lmao

Being considerate is not a weakness. Making Twitter into your real life on the other hand...

@TKbreezy

6 ай бұрын

not sure what you're referring to. care to elaborate?

If anyone is familiar with Mekk, you'd know he's actually a super nice guy with a great attitude. I find the story about him hard to believe, but don't feel like he adequately defended himself and I'm feeling kind torn 😕

trash talk is fun unless it's like slanderous sweaty shit that shit is lame

W video

Hax needs to move on, Pick up a new character and get into that instead of Leffen. Leffen moved onto to Guilty Gear, maybe try that? I also agree that trashtalk has gotten too soft and what you said about getting noise cancelling headphones to keep the losers behind you quiet is 100%

yeah i like umisho and theyre sick at strive but the complaint about shit talk was kinda bitch made

BUT DUDE IT WAS JUST A MEME ACCOUNT IT WAS FOR THE LE TROLL 🤓👆

In my experience of late, individuals who subscribe to the modern progressive viewpoints, esp about gender/etc are some of the most delusional, immature, self-victimizing I've ever had the displeasure of working or interacting with. Getting kicked out of a space filled with them is probably a reward for you in the long run. People like that, *no matter their view points* (ie its a personality thing) will always hate and look for things to ruin, bc its in their nature but by their choice. Not all are by a longshot. But your hard pressed to find those that aren't. On the topic of your incessant virtue-signaling (hey, it gets likes/views, atleast), if I go to a smash tourney and have views that clash with the majority, such as on gender/sexuality/etc, but dont force them on others (or even really speak on them) but get pushed out anyway, bc those weak-minded individuals as noted above can't take trash talk let alone handle ppl disagreeing with them (even silently), then it violates the same principles you were touting yourself to be in favor of when it comes to respecting each other in the community. Best part? Its those same folks who drag the community down with toxicity, cancel culture, immaturity which you will then create content on as "smash drama". Just calling out the hypocrisy when I see it.

All speech should be fine period.

@maladavexa296

6 ай бұрын

not really lol

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

You wouldn't mind Nazi talk?

@supershot9729

6 ай бұрын

​​@@debeb5148 no because I'm not afraid to confront their ideas and fight against them, I'm not so fragile that an opinion that's terrible hurts me in and of itself, because the ideas themselves aren't harmful it's people trying to enact those ideas and the useful uneducated idiots they can drag along with them are the harmful elements

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

@@supershot9729 So you're ok with letting those people around children at tournaments. Got it. And no, I don't think children should be left unsupervised either.

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

@@supershot9729 Wait wait "those ideas aren't harmful" Yeah nvm you shouldn't ever be let in a social setting around people either lmfao. Being ok with Nazis and p3dos is sharing with their works, boi.

I used trash talk to win my first tournament. My team was the underdog, I was the weak link, but I got a nice zero to death combo on my buddy, then I added a personal trash talk about his ex and he raged quit. Thus securing the victory for my team, 😎

I don't see why people can't speak their minds while also competing in the smash scene

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

You mean why people can't have open animosity towards the groups and people playing around them like how Mekk did and openly admitted when he got banned?

@cheesycheese7100

6 ай бұрын

@@debeb5148 yes because you also openly have animosity towards players by engaging in this judgement

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

@@cheesycheese7100 Such a terrible, facious strawman bro.

@12345langham

6 ай бұрын

​@@cheesycheese7100yeah this a crazy brain-dead argument used by the Nazis when they get banned

@cheesycheese7100

6 ай бұрын

@@debeb5148 I understand man. If you could please elaborate, as you and others are forcing players out of the scene, while Mekk has not done such

The cope of people saying “you aren’t respecting my beliefs” is unbelievable.

But you ain't wrong, 99.99999% of twiter would never survive in a cod lobby.

@TyroRobin

6 ай бұрын

11:05

@Pwrplus5

6 ай бұрын

Such a braindead thing to say when you think about how many people play cod every single year and also how severely fragmented and extremist different parts of twitter and all social media are And most people who talk shit about cod lobby situations can 'handle' it, they just thing it's insanely cringe and unnecessary behavior

@12345langham

6 ай бұрын

COD lobbies are first year high schoolers who can shout unimaginative insults but don't need to run away, because they're behind a screen

@TinkXIII

6 ай бұрын

This is such a tired fucking take.

@marlinmurrell620

6 ай бұрын

​@12345langham isn't that Twitter too?

I don't agree with much of mekk said, but is it hate speech to say you can't change from a man to a woman? Live your life and do what you want, but I will just call you by your name if I ever associate with you. But will I get canceled for just speaking on what I believe like you are free to do? Obviously i wouldn't do it to a trans person's face unless they wanted to discuss it, but am I welcome in the smash community if I don't believe men can get pregnant, and never will? Most people can be civil at events, even if they hold different views than the people they're playing with. That's where the other side of this argument gets frustrated.

@methodtomyradness2939

6 ай бұрын

everyone asks for freedom of speech and a world where people put aside their differences, until they have to let people speak and put aside their differences

@dennisd.4726

6 ай бұрын

@@methodtomyradness2939 yep. Why do my beliefs attack your identity? They're MY beliefs. You can ignore them if you'd like.

@peregrinecovington4138

5 ай бұрын

Yeah it's hate speech. Do you tho, transphobia is normal

@methodtomyradness2939

5 ай бұрын

@@peregrinecovington4138 what is motivated by hate i dont get it. its not hateful to think that biology and science holds more sway on peoples opinions than what people say about themselves

Imo trash talk is fine as long as it remains in the context of the game Once it’s personal stuff that has nothing to do with the game, your just an asshole who’s insulting someone

L takes on Mekk and Hax. Mekk's own TO said that Mekk was always cordial in person. Banning people for opinions they have outside of a tournament setting is some surveillance state bullshit. Especially when you consider that people went into the MM discord looking for dirt, it is pretty clear that too many people in this scene are preoccupied with policing other people's viewpoints as opposed to actually playing the game. As for Hax, the dude stopped talking about Leffen for 2 years, but TOs kept him hanging in limbo. There's ample evidence out there documenting Leffen's shitty behavior. The Melee community is clearly giving Leffen a pass for things that other players would've been banned for.

@tehli6726

6 ай бұрын

Some ppl cant stand to exist unless they make others miserable. Ironically many of a certain community and/or viewpoint fall into this category.

I don‘t understand the basis for the hax hate in this video. i mean the guy gave very good explanations with proof and just wants to be in the comunity he worked hard for.

@Drummerflopro

6 ай бұрын

Like bruh people see anything as obsession because they are engaging with their problem. I mean the shit that is in evidence.zip are fucked up I can understand why somebody would want to monitor a guy like Leffen but yeah I guess lets keep demonising hax for dealing with his problems

@TKbreezy

6 ай бұрын

@@Drummerflopro both things can be true. leffen is/was a dick years ago and did some shady stuff and hax can still look crazy. if you cant see a guy making 3+ videos on the same topic after apologizing for making the vid before only to double down and say "actually I was just apologizing for the way I presented it but here I am presenting it this way again but without the hitler reference" as a little obsessive (especially over a 10+ year ago beef) then idk what to tell you. my take away is both Leffen and Hax suck but I don't see leffen making videos on Hax. Also there is mounds of things out there against hax that show he is not well (outside of his drinking issue that he fixed) but sure man he's def dealing with problems by continuously rehashing this shit.

@Drummerflopro

5 ай бұрын

@@TKbreezy ahh okay well now I understand the basis much better thanks for the response. Hmm yeah for me it seemed as if it was more of a proving a very important point for his life situation but I can kinda see the obsessivenes point. But for me obsession would look different, more extreme than just like 3 explanation videos spread over like one or two months or so since this whole shitshow got reignited.

Depends what the guy said. People jump the gun on the slightest jokes. Hate-speech is literally such a rash description where it can mean it’s any bit offensive. With how offendable people are I need to see receipts or else I can’t trust people’s definition of the word

@marlinmurrell620

6 ай бұрын

Agreed

@tehli6726

6 ай бұрын

Hard disagree. Your spouting hate and should leave this comment section. /s

@methodtomyradness2939

6 ай бұрын

@@tehli6726 what did i say that was even remotely hateful

@tehli6726

6 ай бұрын

@@methodtomyradness2939 Sarcasm dude lol. That's what the /s means, or so I was told.

@methodtomyradness2939

6 ай бұрын

@@tehli6726 okay okay i thought that was way too convenient to prove my point. i dont frequent chat rooms except for when tk posts political shit so i can bait people into being hypocritical/stupid

I agree that everyone should be respected. Period. I also think people are being banned for next to nothing. 2 sides: I believe you’re gender is fluid and you are what you decide each day, and I believe you are what you’re biologically born as (and ideally but not always, I will respect you regardless)”. If you believe the second you aren’t just “full of hate” automatically, even if you’re a little strong on it. But people that believe different things need to be able to coexist, understand each others stance and respect each other in general. It’s ok to disagree even on big topics, bans shouldn’t be political. In my humble opinion. Gender fluidity and spectrum always made sense to me. Having a staunch stance on biological evidence, it’s not absurd and automatically hateful. People are allowed to not agree on things. The book 1984 is a great book about a world where people aren’t allowed to disagree.

@legrandliseurtri7495

6 ай бұрын

You really slipped 1984 in there lol.

@DarkAuraLord

6 ай бұрын

1984 is a documentary

@methodtomyradness2939

6 ай бұрын

@@legrandliseurtri7495 you convinced me to look at this 1984 book only because it sounds like you take issue with it. i was just going to ignore it🤷‍♂

Were losers for playing smash?!?!? Stop projecting (with ☮️ ❤)

Unless it is between two people who are friends or between two people who have agreed to do it then yeah let’s ditch it.

17:05 Not me tho, I ditched smash and its community for Guilty Gear, SF6 and Granblue Versus: Rising and don't even use twitter at all, i'm more of a winner mentally, Smash peeps from both Melee n' Ult almost don't even talk about the games anymore

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

When you have been playing the same game for 20 years, maybe shit becomes common knowledge. Not our faults you don't look up archived Vods of our tournaments where we TALK about the games we play

I mean if it isn't personal I don't see a problem, but if you're being an asshole for no good reason wtf is wrong with you (Maister)

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

See, that's the problem. You think how Maister acts is actually different. It's not. People are worse in the fgc.

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

Like, fchamp. Dude will sit next to you and shout at you mid game that you suck, that you suck with your character, that you picked a shitty option, you want people trash talking like that? Then feel free to think Maister is acting worse than these people. He's actually not

@legrandliseurtri7495

6 ай бұрын

The more I learn about Maister and see him talk in interviews and stuff, the more I'm wondering how such a chill guy could have been so mean towards Syrup.

@debeb5148

6 ай бұрын

@@legrandliseurtri7495 Personally I think his mental health was a factor. He didn't seem right at that time.

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Yall really eliminated every single top player for some valid some not valid reasons because of your extreme not touching grass I’m sensitive reasons and now you want to ban trash talk and “closely monitor” leffen. Grow the hell up.

Yall really eliminated every single top player for some valid some not valid reasons because of your extreme not touching grass I’m sensitive reasons and now you want to ban trash talk and “closely monitor” leffen. Grow up.