Should OutKast Be Number 1 on Billboard's Top-20 Rap Groups of All-Time?
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I can’t argue with Outkast being # 1. They incorporated every style and their albums showed evolution without using violence in their lyrics. You can play a OutKast album with your mom in the car 💯
Migos higher than UGK is wild
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
No Black Eye Peas on the list 😢😞😔
@Dayxh8
Жыл бұрын
Migos are mainstream superstars .. UGK was never that.
@argeecrowell2502
Жыл бұрын
@@joshsmith3222 I didn't realize Black Eyed Peas wasn't on the list. But City Girls were. 🤦♂️
@LuisGonzalez-kp3cj
Жыл бұрын
Epmd
@chadbutler8634
Жыл бұрын
And bone is easily better than migos 👈🏾
Three Six Mafia should be higher based on achievements as well as impact. Their music samples and flow has influenced a whole new generation. They won an Oscar.
@dawb86
Жыл бұрын
It's Billboard, though. As a group, who's sold the most AND had the biggest impact. The top five was what it needed to be.....
@MrClemons92
Жыл бұрын
Fax
@marvin469
Жыл бұрын
Them Nz lost points for worshipping the devil
Outkast and Wu tang being one and two isss a great choice. It could go either way imo. but those guys were peak art
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
No Black Eye Peas on the list 😢😞😔
@carlmac6175
Жыл бұрын
Where is bone thugs n harmony at???
@dawb86
Жыл бұрын
@@joshsmith3222 Black Eyed Peas make good hits and vibe music but how many hip hop quotable verses do they have?
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
@@dawb86 Too Many. Plus they only hip hop group with hit rap songs in English, Spanish, French, and other languages as well. Plus they been doing this since the 90's, and their 1st 3 albums was just hip hop.
@dawb86
Жыл бұрын
@@joshsmith3222 I can quote more Salt n Pepa verses than I can BEP and trust me bro, I LOVE Black Eyed Peas from the early days to now. Not having them on the list at all is debatable but it's moreso the fact that at their peak their songwriting style would be considered more pop songcraft based than hip hop based that got them omitted from the list...
Bone Thugs at #21 is BLASPHEMY!!! They've had the most influence on today's rap sound than any other group! Everybody harmonizing with their raps now. Fans, we should riot the Billboard and demand they give our boyz some respect!
@NavAK_86
Жыл бұрын
everyone harmonizing and rapping fast with the double-time flow now, all from Bone
@user-cs1pi8zg1n
Жыл бұрын
And are the 2nd biggest selling group after OutKast
@Demsky83
Жыл бұрын
Billboard has no say in the culture of hip-hop. Who's in those rooms deciding the order. People give these publications too much credit.
@blast4me754
Жыл бұрын
Bone and 36 Mafia sound the closest to todays sound in Rap.
@midwestkrazy83turner50
9 ай бұрын
💯💯💯💯
No love for Bone thugs & Harmony ? They literally had THEIR OWN flow
@jbevard86
Жыл бұрын
I say this all the time ots crazy how no love is given
@durellscott9411
Жыл бұрын
They was considered demonic..no surprise..but they are my favorite group..and it was hard to keep up with them if u was just a casual fan..even if u weren’t u still needed the lyrics at times
@JamesKlass79
Жыл бұрын
That's insane
@DPeezy3158
Жыл бұрын
They made the list. Just not top 20 which is crazy
@JamesKlass79
Жыл бұрын
They in my top 5 but should atleast be top 12 for impact and they sold hella records
THREEE 6 MAFIA should honestly be higher, their sound is still in hip hop if not now more then ever
I'm looking for a New Orleans group in the top 20...Something like TRU (Master P's camp) or Hot Boy$ or Big Tymers (Birdman's camp). It is UN-deniable the impact New Orleans had on the rap game.
@queyoung6597
Жыл бұрын
I definitely agree on the Hot Boy$
@JigInsane
Жыл бұрын
I would agree, if they didn't separate individual accomplishments. Big Tymers could be, but the others I believe shine cause of the success of the individual careers
@perryharris1647
Жыл бұрын
The industry don’t respect nothing Louisiana
@queyoung6597
Жыл бұрын
@@perryharris1647 Wayne?
@Gucci23430
Жыл бұрын
@@perryharris1647except Wayne
No Geto Boys in top 10 is hip hop blasphemy. They put the south on the map, gave arguably the greatest hip hop song ever, and has a top 10 rapper of all time in the group.
@coreyjackson2028
Жыл бұрын
Facts 💯
@dudewanye-lw3er
Жыл бұрын
I think I agree with that point. Geto boys should have made the list if for no other reason minds playing tricks on me...
@jameswilliams7725
Жыл бұрын
Local
Bone thugs not in the top 10 is crazy to me. And I'm from NYC. They started thug rap when everyone else was trying to be a gangsta.
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
No Black Eye Peas on the list 😢😞😔
@Luke973T
Жыл бұрын
2pac started thug rap and everyone wasn't trying to be gangsta in 94. Goodie mob, fugees, wu tang, tribe, common, outkast, ugk, ect
@Trav83
Жыл бұрын
@@Luke973T no pac didn’t until he went to death row. Bone Thugs was 93 with faces of death.
@mr.agreeable4577
Жыл бұрын
What's the difference between thug rap and gangsta rap?
My biggest issue with this list is City Girls made it (48), but Tha Dogg Pound didn't.
@dawb86
Жыл бұрын
Things like that completely annihilate lists like these from having even the slightest relevance in the culture to me lol....
@donjohnston6420
Жыл бұрын
the bill board lists are made mostly by black ladies hence the city girls being on the list and slat n pepper being ranked #8 on the list remember the had Nikki minaj at 10 over rakim llcoolj and j.cole on the last list, just look at the rap industry today majority of rapper are black girls🤷♂️
@ppdadon
11 ай бұрын
Bro Dipset wasn’t even there as well
@midwestkrazy83turner50
9 ай бұрын
@@dawb86 Very True 💯
Speaking as someone who was born in Japan, went to Europe for elementary, Georgia and Tennessee in elementary and middle school, hawaii in middle-high, memphis and st louis for the rest of high school... north carolina, texas and california as an adult....... I can say Mobb Deep didn't hit like that all over. I honestly didn't really hear of mobb deep until the storm remix came out. Then as an adult I had to go back and check them out for myself
Eightball and MJG should be in there
@steven5549
Жыл бұрын
FACTZ
@SIRLUNCHTIME
Жыл бұрын
Big Facts
@midwestkrazy83turner50
9 ай бұрын
Facts 💯
If you like good music it finds you . I’m from Georgia i was 15 when Kast first dropped 👽 👑 🐐 ….. but I listened to everything . mobb deep was definitely in my rotation . RIP Prodigy . Free B.G.
Bone thugs should be higher. They have a big influence on modern rap. The singing rap, triplet flow, fast melodic rap etc..
@itachiuchiha-oh1xo
Жыл бұрын
But don’t billboard base everything on sales? Are there really any rap groups who outsold outkast?
@eljefetoussaint573
Жыл бұрын
@@itachiuchiha-oh1xoNope
@christianJennings-np2qj
Жыл бұрын
Bone has sold over 16 mil
@Luke973T
Жыл бұрын
@@itachiuchiha-oh1xoblack eyed peas and beastie boys sold more. Kast sold a few million more than bone at the most so they are in the same ballpark sales wise and that's just one factor.
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
No Black Eye Peas on the list 😢😞😔
OutKast at #1 is mandatory
No EPMD or Lox in the top 20? Wow!
To me, OutKast and A Tribe Called Quest are my top two hip hop groups of all time. To me Outkast and Tribe are like the hip hop equivalent of The Beatles & The Rolling Stones. Think of it this way had it not been for A Tribe Called Quest there would be no Kanye, Pharrell Williams or even OutKast without Tribe. Kanye, Pharrell & Andre 3K have all gone on to state how impactful the music of ATCQ was on their lives. Regardless the impact and legacy of ATCQ & OutKast is everlasting.
@gikiaaf3771
Жыл бұрын
Wu tang clan is nothing to mess with !
OutKast is #1 ATLIENS is by far the greatest Hip Hop Album by a group of all time. Arguably the greatest Hip Hop album of all time!!!
@TonySummerz
9 ай бұрын
Nah....Big Boi can't stand on his own like Andre. You don't see the Outkast symbol everywhere like the Wu
@jeremiahpolk8908
Ай бұрын
@@TonySummerz You stupid Method Man the only one successful without the group. ODB was trash PERIOD!!!
The “Clipse” are to high, they should be between 45-50….
What about Beastie Boys, Smith and Wesson, Onyx, Black Eyed Peas, 2 Live Crew, Ghetto Boys, Arrested Development, Supa Friendz, Kid and Play, Heavy D and The Boyz????
@thecumzone2412
26 күн бұрын
beastie boys was no. 16
No Mentions of The Hot Boyz is outrageous!!! They're Definitely top 20 🤔
@TheNyion912
Жыл бұрын
No
@2iggy_
Жыл бұрын
@@TheNyion912yes
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
No Black Eye Peas on the list 😢😞😔
@matthewpalmer7822
Жыл бұрын
Hot boys was 25, as a Nola native myself.. to say hot boys only had 2 true albums, that’s a good placement for them
@michaelhall6303
Жыл бұрын
@@joshsmith3222More “Pop”. Personal opinion. Though separate from Will. I. Am and a whole other conversation.
Bone is Top 5. Dawg Pound is Top 10. Dipset is Top 20, & so is Red & Meth. Y’all trippin!
You can't argue that top 5. Maybe the placement but all 5 groups definitely deserve to be there👌🏿..As a younger dude Im glad at Run DMC placement 💯
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
No Black Eye Peas on the list 😢😞😔
@Tredawakandan
Жыл бұрын
@@joshsmith3222 naw you can't I feel. I didn't see the entire 50 group list but I feel you wouldn't put them on for the same reason tlc shouldn't be on there .. Both are more hip hop(which would include more singing aspects) then rap I say..
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
@@Tredawakandan Yeah, but black eye peas first 3 albums were majority hip hop
@DonMack279
11 ай бұрын
@@joshsmith3222 Fergie must be your mom the way you keep crying out black eyed peas in various comment threads
S/O to OutKast for the number 1... I'm from Atlanta and to me the list is right. Wu Tang didn't hit In the south, neither did mob deep but we still like em as artists.
@jaimainelee3609
Жыл бұрын
Wu Tang made the whole world 5%ers. I don’t think Outkast did half of what Wu did worldwide.
@TonySummerz
9 ай бұрын
Wu-Tang was huuuuuuuuuuuge in the south!!! I'm from the REAL Atlanta and I remember. They had a Wu-wear store in the West end and they had the number 1 hip hop song on the radio in 97. You don't speak for all of us..
What metrics keep Run the Jewels and Slaughterhouse off this list, I’m looking at City Girls but some of the others as well..
Like gipp said they always have been platinum and each album sold more than the last
@bankrollswol9320
Жыл бұрын
that’s why they’re #1
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
No Black Eye Peas on the list 😢😞😔
@pickitypopsnickitylovejone6558
Жыл бұрын
@@joshsmith3222 😂
@dawb86
Жыл бұрын
@@pickitypopsnickitylovejone6558 It's a legit question. It's the Billboard list, not The Source or XXL lol....
Joe that Alabama reference was outta bounds. Montgomery, Al checking in 😂😂😂
@rahshaddawson4659
Жыл бұрын
I’m Alabama too bro. I feel you. It was outta bounds 😂
@capo1ball
Жыл бұрын
@@rahshaddawson4659 salute 🫡
@bobbyvegas9712
Жыл бұрын
😂Who gonna check him Nick Saban 😂
@SunniMerlot
Жыл бұрын
I’m 37. In highschool it was a group from there (I think) named Dirty. One of my fav songs was Candy Man. Are they still getting to it locally?
@capo1ball
Жыл бұрын
@@SunniMerlot Dirty still touring. You know they had a deal with Universal. They just recorded a song with Ghetto Mafia that about to be released.
No Bone Thugz in the top 20? Thats crazy
Where is 🗣️WHODINI ???? Friends!, five minutes of funk, one love, freaks come out at night (with JD as a young B-boy in the video)
@ladyhotep5189
Жыл бұрын
💯
@ddelsur2694
Жыл бұрын
Not on the list
@mytowntrill5441
Жыл бұрын
They are GIANTS in the rap game. But get forgotten too much. Maybe because of their fashion. Maybe they came from a lesser Bureau.
OutKast and Wu Tang at number 1 and number 2. I agree with that and I think that list got it right.
Grew up on outkast in the 90s
That Wu-Tang W is an iconic symbol. Everyone loves it around the world. My kids love it. That alone makes them the greatest.
I'm from North Carolina. And Mobb Deep was hitting in my neighborhood frfr. And you can't be mad at that top 5.
@SoulOfTheSouth
Жыл бұрын
You think because a lot of NYs live in NC? I heard Mobb Deep only do shows in the southeast region like VA, NC, SC, Florida but they never did shows in my region. I live in Texas, which is the gulf coast region (Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, Oklahoma) and they never did shows in Texas until 2014.
Nah I grew up in South Carolina and we grew up learning and reciting Wutang and Mobb Deep the whole state listening to mobb
I’m not mad at the names either. Agreed about Bone also.
East Coast heavy in the top 20 seeing how BTH out sold alot of groups ahead of them plus 3-6 should be way higher add in Goodie, 8ball & MJG
Bone not being in the top 20 is criminal
Mel was in a lot of these spaces and a lot fo these videos why does she never get a chance to speak on it
Nappy Roots should have made the list. Watermelon, Chicken, and Gritz was a crazy album. I remember having it on my Walkman and listening to it to and from school?
@miked.336
Жыл бұрын
1 crazy album? Nahhhh
@jtlawsons7939
Жыл бұрын
They from Kentucky where I’m from but hell naw
@Cuz_alegend
Жыл бұрын
😂 Stop it
UGK should be higher, they are the most sampled group ever and they introduced Jay Z to the south.
@ArtisanWindchimes
Жыл бұрын
Mobb Deep is sampled heavy as well
@kjo2130
Жыл бұрын
Complete cap. The south was bumping Jay z before big pimpin.
@Luke973T
Жыл бұрын
@kjo2130 yeah hard knock life he was cemented in the south already
@TeeDaHotboi
Жыл бұрын
JD introduce JayZ to the south
@fromcrums2bricks682
Жыл бұрын
@@TeeDaHotboi know he didn't 🤦🏾♂️ I'm from Texas and screw had Jay on his tapes in the 90s✌🏾
Queens slipped up by sliding TLC in there lol That’s RNB chief 😅
Mobb Deep was definitely Poppin outside of New York !!!
@ShadySlim1991
10 ай бұрын
Not really in the south tho 🤷🏾♂️
No shade but lox, bone thugs & dogg pound behind beasties & cypress hill is wild
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
No Black Eye Peas on the list 😢😞😔
@lavanceneely6214
Жыл бұрын
Oml
@mytowntrill5441
Жыл бұрын
Cypress was dope though. Not better than the ones you named but dope. They had 5 big hits and put Chicano on the map.
Those top 20 groups had impact on hip hop and culture. Not mad at the top 20.
No matter what criteria they used, there's no way in hell Bone comes in at #21. They were the hottest group in what most people called the Golder Era of hip hop (Mid 90s). They have classics with Biggie, Pac, and Eazy E. They are one of the top 5 best-selling rap groups of all time. When you listen to rap today, it sounds more like Bone style than any of the other groups in the top 20. So please tell me how in the hell did Bone come in at #21???? Straight BS...
They have the best catalog of any group. Of course they are the best
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
No Black Eye Peas on the list 😢😞😔
Is that Rory from the old podcast?
Where is Bone Thugs N Harmony is waaay up there, especially with record sales. They should have been like number 9
As someone who was actually alive in the Salt and Pepa Era their actual impact was just as big as TLC'S. Both groups have songs that still get spin to this day.
@Priscilla-pb6lp
Жыл бұрын
Facts and I'm not being funny but you actually hear more salt N Pepa playing nowadays than TLC.
1:39 MOBB DEEP was huge in Toronto. Am not a fan, but their influence cannot be ignored.
No Outkast slander will be tolerated.
3 6 Mafia should be in the top 10 group they literally sold million and won a Oscar.
Little brother needs to be way higher up in the list.
This episode is up for pod episode of the year
Is the based on length of time tho or impact
Nice list but can’t lie, I hate how slept on Field Mob is.. criminally Underrated!
Can't argue top 5 and OutKast is #1 Easy!!!!! Mobb Deep over Getoboyz!??!!? Getoboyz definitely should've made top 20!!!
@PeterParker-xu7eu
Жыл бұрын
Just when I was getting ready to like your comment I saw the Mobb Deep Over Geto Boys no sir
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
No Black Eye Peas on the list 😢😞😔
Good top 5...I am an old head and Run Dmc took rap from the hoods too the masses..they're impact is undeniable!! Walk this way made rap mainstream and made a lot of people a lot of $$!!
Yes they should be # 1 💯
@quecreations3244
Жыл бұрын
I love Outkast, but Wu-Tang should be #1.
@ShadySlim1991
10 ай бұрын
@@quecreations3244 na, they haven't done half as much as outkast, but I like Wu-Tang
@quecreations3244
10 ай бұрын
@@ShadySlim1991 Your comment sounds very shady...slim.
@ShadySlim1991
8 ай бұрын
@@quecreations3244 lol nice pond on the shady slim 🤣
Wheres the lox at?
I’m thinking WuTang especially they have international stardom too
Disappoints me how much people overlook/minimize 8ball and MJG…
Impact alone 2 live crew needs to way up. They changed the entire music game.
what number was D12?
I dug that true at the end moment
Wu Tang is number 1 for me. Problem is that people always exclude the "solo" albums when they shouldn't. At least definitely not Raekwons Cuban Linx and Ghostfaces Ironman. Cuban Linx was a duo between him and Ghostface(both are featured on the cover) and produced by the Rza. Ironman was a trio with Ghostface, Rae, and Cappadonna(all featured on the cover) and also produced by the Rza. Every single member of the Wu had an appearance or two on both albums. Dont care what anyone says but those are Wu Tang albums. I think people forget just how much of an impact they had during the 90s. People around the world were tattooing the Wu symbol on themselves. They even had their own video game. 👐
lit ep
Rap Group 🎤 tiers 🐐🤴- NWA, Wu Tang Clan, Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy, De La Soul, Mobb Deep, The Lox, Bone Thugs, Outkast, Geto Boys A1🥇- Run DMC, EPMD, Fugees, The Roots, Dogg Pound, Diplomats, G-Unit, Griselda, UGK, 8Ball/MJG A2🥈 - Naughty By Nature, Onyx, Slaughterhouse, Compton Most Wanted, Cypress Hill, Goodie Mob, Hot Boyz, Three 6 Mafia, Clipse, Migos A3🥉- The Pharcyde, Hieroglyphics Brand Nubian, Black Starr, Dead Prez, Little Brother, Arrested Development, Capone-n-Noreaga, Do or Die, Earth Gang
Outkast #1 HANDS DOWN
I've always had Kast or Wu 1 and 2 in whatever u want to put em..but this list was disqualified immediately not having Bone top 20..GUnit I never even looked at as a group for this type list..and I agree with my man's take on the fugees being that high and over Mobb
Wow did billboard just get it right🤗
How do u say salt n pepper and no kid n play house party impact was crazy
Mob Deep had crazy love in the Uk.
OutKast and wu-tang clan my favorite and the list is right
I know they probably shouldn’t be up there but lost boys would be on my personal list. Some of the groups I never listened to and wouldn’t to this day. State prop too
Bone, 8ball and mjg, and DPG got the shaft
No way bone thugz come after G-Unit.
Yes thank you
UGK being ranked #20 is just wild to me
I never take Billboard seriously.
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
No Black Eye Peas on the list 😢😞😔
I live in the midwest....Mobb Deep didn't get regular play here until "Quiet Storm" and I think majority of the country was the same
@terenceflagg6270
9 ай бұрын
That means you guys didn't get mixtapes or NBA and NFL video games either? Mobb deep practically most sampled artist on the list
@JRob1125
9 ай бұрын
@@terenceflagg6270 No.....we listened to everybody....but the West and South got more love in the 90s around here It's not just here, look at the charts. Before "Quiet Storm" they were seen as underground superstars outside of East. They doesn't take away from the quality at all so I'm definitely not hating
Yes .. they should
Eightball & MJG is my #1
Mobb Deep and The Fugees being below the Migos is wild
I'm from Texas and Mobb Deep hit here fr
Decent billboard list.
@joshsmith3222
Жыл бұрын
Nope No Black Eye Peas on the list 😢😞😔
Where the hell is Gang Starr
Outkast is dope and they have tons of jams . Tons. But i find myself not listening to them like that over the years. Weird right?
My favorite rap group of all time is #1!! Bone Thugs could've been higher tho
Outkast is a duo.
Absolutely my G
Nah I agree bone thugs and harmony had an amazing run and hits for days too definitly top 20
Comparing a female RAP group to a female R&B group just further proves that female rappers (no matter how much they've contributed to hip hop) aren't taken seriously. TLC is great, but TLC isn't a rap group. The top 20 list is about RAP GROUPS, not singing groups. Imagine if some idiot(s) compared NWA to Bel Biv Devoe. It's the disrespect for me. No impact? GTFOH! Alexa, play 'Get Up' by Salt-N-Pepa.
If Mobb Deep that high Hot Boys pose to be on there
No LoX? This list invalid
No Geto Boyz?
In no particular order Outkast Wu Tang Clan Bone Thugs N Harmony Mobb Deep UGK A Tribe Called Quest 8Ball and MJG Geto Boys Goodie Mob all of these groups has landmark songs, classic albums, influence, longevity and cultural impact. there are some other groups I can name that I enjoy, but they most likely lacked enough material.
This is no debate! Yes they do!
I’m shocked bone thugs isn’t top 20. They pioneered that harmonizing rap flow. Ja Rule, 50 cent, future, and dozens of others should be thanking bone thugs. Even migos (quavo) be trying to harmonize on the track sometimes. And talk about cultural impact they were the only rap group I ever thought could rival wu-tang. Internationally women are tattooing bone thugs on their body.
@NavAK_86
Жыл бұрын
Harmonizing fast rap flow* people these days always mention the harmony but they were the first mainstream wise to rap fast too, nobody did that til them, and all u hear now is that double-time fast choppy flow. Also they sold more than Wu Tang btw