I think the problem is having the number of eyes on ocean Ramsey as she does on instagram. Putting a video of her touching the shark could encourage that behavior from other people and it is a bit reckless, keeping in mind we live in a world most people just don't give a shit

@persephone2706

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree. But one also has to admit that her stunt brought the more awareness to great whites and the fact that they're not mindless eating machines than ever before... I do think it would have been just as effective without her reaching out to touch them though.

She’s an “expert” who misidentifies Deep Blue and says she’s “guiding” it away from boats. A real expert would have researched and documented Blue’s unique markings to know the difference for identifying her. Second, her logic about touching and swimming with them seems eerily similar to Timothy Treadwell’s expert experience with Grizzly Bears. It is beautiful and interesting footage, but I don’t consider her an expert in anything except her own choices and personal experiences.

Personally, touching any wild animal can always result in a person getting injured or killed. Wild animals may have predictable patterns of beforehand, but you can always come across one that gets pissed off for whatever reason

@thorragnarok2861

Жыл бұрын

True. But would u rather get hit by a car? Humans are plenty stupid. Atleast if a predator such as a "Great White Shark" happened to eat this Marine Specialist, the risk vs reward would have been calculated. I mean... consider people who surf. We live "with" planet Earth... not "on" it.

@lunavallarta9819

Жыл бұрын

Sure, you will note then, that Ramsey is perfectly aware of this and is perfectly fine with going out that way, if that fate should occur. I'd bet that a shark is not going to be the death of her

@davidressler9316

Жыл бұрын

@@lunavallarta9819 perhaps

@jameswest981

4 ай бұрын

Kind of reminds me Timothy Treadwell he loved the Grizzlies and didn't want harm done to them After 10 seasons a bear killed him and his girlfriend and when found they killed the bear.

Thank you for clarifying that in fact that she implies she has a degree but actually does not. So Ocean Ramsy does not have an academic higher education in Marline Biology. I also searched this and found it disappointing that anyone would allude to this when in fact when in fact they did not actually obtain higher education via an academic institution. This is certainly an insult to anyone who really is a college graduate. Thank you for this !!! I spent A LOT of time underwater too, but that did not make me anything more than a fish pointer/dive master. For Ocean Ramsey to say she is a marine biologist is actually fraudulent.

@alcambio8923

2 жыл бұрын

Are you sure she DOESN'T have a degree in biology? Because all I know is that it is uncertain.

@BadseedGarden

11 ай бұрын

​@@alcambio8923If she has a degree it is under a different name and has never been made public, there is no record of "Ocean Ramsey" having a degree from any school, anywhere, and neither does she have a published master thesis which every graduate would need to publish to graduate.

@lilaworley8935

10 ай бұрын

​@@BadseedGardenkzread.info/dash/bejne/nZ2N07WifbnPqdo.html

@nitronitro1274

9 ай бұрын

Agree with some of what you say but higher education does not mean too much these days. Real life hands on experience will TRUMP higher education sitting in a classroom alllll day.

@tiinaeeros2273

8 ай бұрын

Really? If you had at least done a little of your own research, to open up your mind, to the fraudelent academic hogwash institutions that pollutes peoples minds, instead of this myopic brainwashed mindset. What is the problem? And of course people are extremely jealous, because they don´t have a life! Most of the academic world has been long proven to be run by psychopaths. I guess you can´t find another better way, to "know" the ocean then being ...you guessed it: in the water. If she chooses to do what she does and something happens to her; okej then it is her choise. There will always be stupid people, being influenced to jump in believing they are "Ocean Ramsey" But what about all the movies, inspiring people all over the world, to kill people. Like when TV news: tell-a-vision- showed the brutal killings in Iraq, by mercenaries sent by their own governments..And it was ALL based on a lie. Many got killed in that hellhole!

The marine biologists who criticized her were correct. Posting this video resulted in harm to the sharks who were feeding off the whale carcass. People showed up wanting to replicate the experience and the sharks left. Ocean Ramsey did not do this for the sake of sharks, she did it for the sake of self-promotion. Her message should be to leave sharks alone and not disturb them so that they end up having to leave a valuable source of food. The fact that so many people are ok with what she did is a problem.

@NoOne-kr4jc

9 ай бұрын

Her name Ramsay is equivalent to her philosophy. Like Gordon Ramsay, you do a doc on shark fin soup and then being caught without a care hunting sharks. Ocean Ramsay is a capitalist pig and an embarrassment to KZread uploaders.

@Katrielible

5 ай бұрын

Kardashian in a wetsuit

@sarahwales6276

4 ай бұрын

Yes!

@connorism69

4 ай бұрын

Your psychic powers are make-believe. She appears to have a genuine love for the animals, and she at least claims to do those dives to demonstrate that the dangers of sharks can be mitigated to some extent through various techniques/approaches. It's possible to disagree with her methods without pretending to know things that you don't.

@JessicaFraser-gu9ey

3 ай бұрын

What degrees do you have to assert that the other marine biologists are correct? She is a marine biologist just because no one can confirm it doesn’t mean it’s not true.

I'm of the mind that she shouldn't have touched the shark because I think it will encourage others to jump off their boats to get close to "jaws." Sooner or later a great white isn't going to be in the mood to snuggle with a biped and it'll chomp down on someone, the media will respond in typical fashion and more sharks will be killed as a result of someones thoughtless bravado. As for Ocean Ramsey on a whole, I think she is doing amazing work in shark conservation and getting the message out to the public that these animals aren't simply savage, thoughtless, cold blooded killers but necessary links in the ecosystems to which they inhabit.

@sbrnakiss

4 ай бұрын

If she can add a few nominees for the yearly Darwin Award while bringing some sort of conservation awareness, win-win 🤷🏻‍♀️?

@victorcristianilinca1319

2 ай бұрын

Dude I don't understand a shark it's a shark a wild creature and beeing argresiv by nature it's not a bad thing all this non-sense with shark it's harmless or can we pet him it's just for publicity 👀my point of view....let a wild animal to remain wild !!!

The line the other oceanographer's use; "Touching a shark will encourage others to try to touch them", to me, is disingenuous - I've been around the ocean all my life, and although I respect sharks, I'm not ignorant to the facts of: 1: What they eat (ANYTHING) 2: How they eat it (Those dinosaur teeth that rend flesh like so much tissue paper) I was in awe, watching that video - but the very last place I would ever intentionally CHOOSE to be is in front of, near by, or "to the side of" a fucking shark the size of an oil tanker.

@michaelangel25

3 жыл бұрын

In today’s selfie culture, don’t be surprised if someone was idiotic enough to do this - like that moronic woman who tried to take selfie with a lion

@bradsillasen1972

2 жыл бұрын

White Sharks are highly prey specific. They don't just "eat anything". Tigers, Bulls, not so much and are probably much more dangerous.

I thought that touching fish is bad, because it destroys a layer on top of their skin which protects them from parasites. No idea if this is true, but generally I would not touch a wild animal. It‘s a matter of respect.

@squidskid4934

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, she mentioned this in video and that's true as far as I know too.

@Texas240

3 ай бұрын

If you look at shark skin, you'll see that's not really possible unless you were to rip off the overlapping scales.

THANK YOU. I am an instructor too and I can't tell you how many times I have to tell clients "No touching" and they say "but I saw on instagram...." 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️NO TOUCHING

Interesting topic, I believe that there are times when it is okay to handle Sharks but most of the time it shouldn't be done e.g if a shark is coming abit to close and you do the "push manoeuvre" on the snout, basically during times when it's necessary to do so never any other time. Ocean Ramsy I personally believe is abit of nuisance tbh, she realistically doesn't do anything for Shark conservation other than get in photos to boost her ego and followers. Infact I can name a few occasions were her behaviour was infact detrimental to shark conservation. She has little regard for the space of these animals, you can see that by her and the 8 or 9 divers literally harassing that white shark btws not to sure if you know but white sharks often bloat to the size of a house when feeding on a whale carcass so there is no real way of knowing of that particular shark is actually pregnant, it's more than likely just eaten a heap of whale lol. But basically I think "wildlife influencers" need to put their egos aside and actually practise what they preach instead of posing for a photo on giving a heap of misleading information.

@drdebocherry

9 ай бұрын

BS, you are wrong and another jealous judgementalass

@Tom-nc5qv

9 ай бұрын

@@drdebocherry Yeah okay if you say so 😂

@spearo233

9 ай бұрын

​​@@drdebocherry Actually I think you'll find that this guys pretty spot on with alot of what he says. She isn't technically qualified for anything she does other than diving and taking dives, she isn't a marine biologist as she hasn't studied (if she did she didn't pass) she has also done alot of questionable thing's around sharks, she's chased Sharks off of kills numerous times, she's put herself and other people and dangerous positions for social media clout, and has given quite alot of misleading and straight up false information. Most people in the Marine industry don't take her very seriously as she's clearly primarily involved in this for the image over the conservation, if nobody was paying any attention to her she'd just be another freediver.

i dont think protective film gets destroyed forever from touch. it feels like many marine biologists exagerate. this film for sure grows back otherwise underwater creatures would be full of deseases when they touch anything.

@balletshoes

7 ай бұрын

I agree, some marine biologists would have you believe that humans are the biggest toxins. I somehow do not believe that a touch from a soft human hand for less than a second can do as much damage as can rubbing against much harder objects or other animals. No need to fear sharks anymore, just give them the deadly touch 🙄

You don't need a degree in marine biology if you have the experience. Experience is everything. No indigenous people who live among nature have degrees - they know the behaviour from living among their fellow creatures.

@wildpatagoniafilms16

2 жыл бұрын

nobody doubts that.... but one thing is to say you are a Marine Biologist... another is to say you have experience diving with sharks.... 2 big different things. I guess all of a sudden I can say I am an ingeniere 'cause I have experience building houses...? nope.

@romanfernandez9350

2 жыл бұрын

I like your thinking

@Tom-nc5qv

Жыл бұрын

@@romanfernandez9350 i don't agree she's always giving out misleading information she clearly needs to study. Also FYI indigenous people often teach alot of courses on outback survival, why do you think that is pal? Oh yeah because they studied it lol experience is knowledge and knowledge comes from education. Just because theirs was trial and error and ours isn't doesn't make education any less important especially if your trying to teach other people you goose lol

@MattMcDade-hy7qz

Жыл бұрын

That is absolutely ridiculous; the lab work is the facts

@frankanderson5012

Жыл бұрын

Indigenous people grow up learning about nature from being taught by previous generations, passed down. Which is similar to what happens when you you go to a university to study and get a degree. You’re learning from other people’s experiences. She is just reckless and self promoting. Swimming with and touching an apex predator is likely stressful or intrusive for that animal and one of these days she meet one that’s intolerant of her behaviour. Leave them alone.

She's is highlighting the plight of the sharks. There intelligent majestic animals. We need sharks in the oceans. Sharks don't have hands so they use there mouths to test what it is there curious about. I say this girl ocean Ramsey should be supported 100%.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

That's very true! The sharks would take a little nibble to find out what is what, unfortunately for humans a little nibble from a great white can be lethal. She is I deed starting the conversation about sharks

@SpaceRanger187

Жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake its her life, if she gets eaten that her problem..How about go clean some plastic up out of the ocean and stop hating on her

I'm pretty sure Ocean is a marine biologist and has gone to university for years learning about sharks, she has stated so in interviews. Even if this is incorrect, she works closely with a team of marine biologists and is great friends with the world famous marine biologist Sylvia Earle, so I think she would've never touched the shark if there would've been scientific evidence that this could harm the animal.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

I did try and find her official qualifications, and could not. This does however not meat she doesnt have a large amount of experience, expertise and connections to make her an amazing shark advocate.

@spillthetea9453

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely ! We all have one common goal and that's the conservation of our beautiful ocean.@@OceanPancake

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

@@spillthetea9453 Very true! :) The biggest positive is having the conversation going and having people be able to chime in and critically analyse these things andddddd.... the shark looks normal! It doesn't have all that hollywood 'killer' prejudice

@ken6140

5 жыл бұрын

Last I talked to her, she’s working on getting her PHD. But as of now, she does not have it nor does she have any official research out. She does tend to touch sharks when it isn’t needed & our community is mixed about how we feel about it.

@ken6140

5 жыл бұрын

J C I know her personally & to my understanding she has basic college degrees & is on the path to getting the PhD. We don’t talk about it much though so maybe when she talked about it she just meant she’s going for a bachelors right now. But it is something she wants

just because ocean touches a shark didn't mean a lot of people including me wants to touch them too. i mean people are much smarter than that you know :D

@kangjhha

Жыл бұрын

eh.. have you read some of the comments on here? its in our dna to learn/do by example, also pushing boundries to quench the unknown.. the sad part is we do have the intelligence to do better but most do not.

I’m not a doctor but I know not to inappropriately touch other human beings...OR’s study of sharks and efforts to save sharks is doing more for the species than arguably any other human. Any fool who equates that with wanting to go pat a shark because they saw an expert do it, is just that - a fool.

Do you know of any dive expeditions that you could actually dive or go in a cage to view Great Whites? Are there any that are good ones?

An annoyed shark will snap it's jaws as a warning to back off, like a lion or wolf snarl. This one seems like it could not care less about dolphins or humans, only mildly curious about the boat. Down deep the human does not match the prey patterns in it's brain. If you touch it, it probably dismisses it as a remora.

@kingujayu6772

2 жыл бұрын

Yes the shark was so unbothered, it looks happy tbh. It even touched a dolphin with its snout, and it didn’t bite it

@rustyreese4006

2 жыл бұрын

The problem with that line of thought is that it dismisses everything we know about predator behavior. Yes we are not on the menu, but predators are unsuccessful most of the time. Their prey is fast and agile, and quite capable of getting away. So a shark that has been having a bad streak of hunting will definitely be more inclined to have a go at people who are slow and can't get away. There's plenty of evidence that great white sharks do attack people with the intention of consuming them. They aren't the only ones but they are the largest of sharks that do. Bulls and tigers are more likely to tear off a chunk and then leave. Some of the smaller sharks that rome in schools are almost piranha like. Doesn't make them evil, but it does tell us that it's much better to get out of the water when they are cruising the beaches. People say that you're more likely to get struck by lightning, but most of those same people will seek shelter instead of being out in a storm. Sharks should be the same.

@MrBonners

2 жыл бұрын

@@rustyreese4006 A shark is interested in fat not protein. A shark will often puke up flesh with low fat content, on purpose to have room for fat like blubber, seal or whale. To a large shark a dolphin or human is simply not worth the calorie burn to chase or eat. They can go for months without eating looking for a dead whale or seal gathering areas.

@rustyreese4006

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrBonners well then I guess the several reports of attacks that were clearly made with the intent to consume were mistaken then. All predators will take advantage of an easy meal sometimes. It's not the norm, but it does happen with every predator species, on land or in the sea. You probably won't get hit by lightning either, but are you going to ignore the storm and not take shelter? Great whites have attacked people with the intention of consuming them. That's a fact. It's rare that it happens. That's also a fact. It doesn't mean that the reports are wrong. And it doesn't mean that it won't happen again. The guy that writes books about it points out how rare it is, but he also doesn't advocate swimming in waters they are known to be in. He has a KZread channel called sharks happen. You should check it out.

@MrBonners

2 жыл бұрын

@@rustyreese4006 most shark attest are are determined to be cases of mistaken identity on the part of sharks. there is plenty of video from experts here on YT for years showing this. the exception is the Bull shark which attacks anything.

I doubt many people are going to be going out and petting Great Whites . I think her brief touching was to prove a point in the incredible disparity in size and power.

@susieq360

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter. She didn't have the shark's consent. Crucify her, lest ye be hypocrites.

@dirty_diver

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah- I don’t think any of us thought.. ‘I want to pet a shark now’. I don’t think she harmed the shark by touching it. That being said, let’s not go around touching everything for sure.

@alcambio8923

2 жыл бұрын

@@dirty_diver Absolutely agreed.

@scotteilers3141

2 жыл бұрын

@@susieq360 lol

@Scarecrow545

Жыл бұрын

Her followers/other insta-famous 'influencers' literally tried to emulate her shortly after her video was put out.

Even if she was lying about that the shark was deep blue to get attention it's totally okay because she isn't trying to be "just" famous she is actually trying to save them. And just because she is getting so much attention everybody criticizes her for touching the shark. It's not just her, I see so many people who are touching sharks like tigersharks but nobody targets these people. I think it's just jealousy because she is famous for what she does and they are not 😂

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

She is definitely raising awareness about sharks, spreading shark love, and fighting hard against their culling. There is criticism because people fear she is sending the wrong message to lesser experienced individuals who would want to try the same thing. The tiger sharks you are referring to are mostly the ones being fed in the Bahamas and in Fiji, the only people who touch them are shark handlers specifically trained for it who wear extensive protective gear. Shark feeding is a whole separate issue and I have a whole video about it if you are curious. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aZekrNF9hcndmqQ.html

@terriec808

4 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake that's called "culling the herd" or "survival of the fittest" the human race needs culling, by nature of course. It's a cold hard fact that people use their brain less( ie Stupid) as technology grows wider. If people are stupid enough to watch an EXPERIENCED diver touch a shark and think " gee I think I'll go do that" then PLEASE LET THEM. The stupid is thick and ruining the planets potential as a whole. CULL THE HERD save the world

@OceanPancake

4 жыл бұрын

@@terriec808 definitely one way to look at it. However it can also prove harmful to the creatures themselves. Such as this particular shark was pregnant and the close proximity and splashing divers could have scared her away from getting a neccessary feed

@terriec808

4 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake well now THAT'S a whole different way to look at that... Creatures are innocent we humans leave terrible damage in our wake.. I would think that the energy one emits interacting with such a large and potentially lethal creature would make or break an encounter. Calm confidence and experience is not something one "tries" so while I agree that Oceans videos give those mindless idiots ideas, I think what she does is beautiful and I think the interactions she has with marine critters have mutual acceptance between human and creature. The ability to communicate with another species is something that most people can't comprehend or don't believe extst.. Ocean Ramsey has that and that affords her a little bit of wiggle room. She reminds me of another amazing woman Anna Breytenbach

@OceanPancake

4 жыл бұрын

@@terriec808 While she knows what she is doing, she was leading a tour group of... at least 5+ people? In a lot of footage you see the splashing and excitement of everyone. As someone who has taken many tour groups, the energy from tourists seeing creatures is massive! She isn't alone in any of these situatuons, but instead has people around her which might want to copy her and a large group which would be disturbing the sharks. I truly appreciate the attention shes brought to great whites as not being killing machines, but yeah... definitely a discussion worth having

“Ocean Ramsey studied marine biology at the University of Hawai‘i at Manoa and at San Diego State University, where she got her bachelor’s degree. She is now working toward a master’s in ethology-the study of animal behavior and psychology.” I couldn’t find a date on this. Ocean could have her Master Degree by now.

@mireiification

3 жыл бұрын

And still doesnt know (or act like it) that this is NOT Deep BLue.

@persephone2706

3 жыл бұрын

@@mireiification What do you mean?

@jasonstrickland9245

3 жыл бұрын

@@persephone2706, the shark she swam with was not Deep Blue. Deep Blue has a scar on her right side with black splotches on her underbelly, the shark Ocean Ramsey swam with and touched didn't have the same markings or scar.

@Tarheel13

2 жыл бұрын

Sure…lol

@Tarheel13

2 жыл бұрын

@@mireiification exactly right. Which proves she doesn’t know squat.

Touching a wild animal in his own habitat is not the best idea... Divers and snorkelers are warned to not touch any animal under water. That said Ocean seems to really love sharks and works for their protection/conservation so if a video like that is going to open eyes and souls it will be awesome. In 2019 there are still culling programs with nets and hooks that kill thousands of sharks and even more non target animals like dolphins, turtles, little whales, rays, and even marine birds. We all should be pointing out we don't want this shame and criticize this kind of practice way before Ocean Ramsey action.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

That is an excellent point Marco! The big issues facing the sharks is indeed the shark culling programs, the 'shark safety' protocols along with massive industrial fishing. Her posts always include links to petitions to ban this type of activities, so there are positive effects from it.

@marcodegiovanni3696

5 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake In my ingenuity I was not aware of this kind of practice until marine life workers like her or yourself pointed it out in all his barbarity... I can say I live in the other side of the world but still ignorance is not an excuse. Love your channel hope you the best!

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

@@marcodegiovanni3696 There are good sides of pictures like this gaining popularity and starting discussions with people who are usually quite far removed form the ocean. Thanks for caring!!

When you watch her interviews, she clearly knows the risks and respects sharks for the predators that they are. Her touching them sent a powerful message that they aren't just soulless savages...they are apex predators with their own reasonable behaviour and they have no reason to adjust that behaviour to us. They are very much like dogs in that they have their own language and anyone wanting to dive with them must put in the effort to try to understand that. Anybody stupid enough to watch the video and think they can touch them without relevant experience is just asking for trouble and only has themselves to blame.

@BadseedGarden

11 ай бұрын

They are not dogs, they are predators who are 100% capable of eating a person and do when they feel like it, the number one rule of interacting with dangerous animals, never leave weather or not you're in danger up to the animal. A shark has no emotional attachment to humans and food is not the only reason they might attack you, white sharks are territorial, ESPECIALLY around a food source and you are actively rolling the dice weather or not that shark is going to TOLERATE your presence. You wouldn't touch a tiger in the wild, you wouldn't touch a bear, they aren't evil, but they kill things for a living, and they do not want or need emotional connections with other species.

@billbally4419

10 ай бұрын

You're wrong and not very smart

@billbally4419

10 ай бұрын

No they're not anything like dogs you doofus

@OhCyrus

10 ай бұрын

They’re nothing like dogs 🤦‍♀️

Great videos!!! I’ve just found your channel and have watched several so far - nice work and great info!

I love Ocean and I love sharks but I am not dumb enough to pet them, write on coral nor take anything. 🦈

This is so ridiculous stuff. People just hating on Ocean because they can’t do the things she do. C’mon give her a break.

@Lionheart2323

5 жыл бұрын

There are thousands upon thousands of people that can do this. But everyone else is smart enough to not harm marine life

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

Hello! Thanks for taking the time to watch the video. All the 'hate' I have seen has come from qualified Marine Biologists expressing their expert opinions about the dangers of the situation. Do you not worry that unqualified people would try and copy her behaviour and potentially get hurt?

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

@@Lionheart2323 She does have the opportunity to be out on these boats more than most people, but I feel even more so that means she should lead by example.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

@@Lionheart2323 Indeed, there are different approaches taken and most scientists do not post these images directly on social media. We can however discuss the impacts of that : giving the shark some good publicity is great!

@johnbuggy9121

5 жыл бұрын

@@Lionheart2323 I thought the young lady provided a sensible, sober and well balanced critique of what now appears to have been crass stupidity. How many numpties dived into the ocean to swim with GWs after seeing Ramsey swimming with an extremely dangerous apex predator? Quite brave of her to post a video on it and risk attracting the attention of the perpetually offended social media commentariat.

I love your polite way of stating your side of a discussion calmly and looking into all levels of what is going on, as well as your explanations on the thesis of your argument. I am an avid wildlife conservationist and although I am a hunter and fisherman I agree with you on this. People like you make it easy for people with differences of opinion to come together to create a positive change. Thanks for sharing.

She calls herself a freediver, but all the freediving schools ive been in tought that rule nr one of diving is DONT TOUCH THE FREAKING WILDLIFE

I admire Ocean Ramsey's dedication and bravery. She is an amazing person. That being said, when I listen to her I cannot help but be reminded of Timothy Treadwell and fear for her safety.

@OceanPancake

3 жыл бұрын

She has done a lot for sharks!

@monkeymonkey8526

3 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake Yes she has :)

@LetzBeaFranque

2 жыл бұрын

"I cannot help but be reminded of Timothy Treadwell and fear for her safety." You stole my thunder! 😅🤣😂

@alcambio8923

2 жыл бұрын

Timothy Treadwell died in VERY specific circumstances and when several factors coincided at the same moment. It wasn't as simple as put usually depicts it.

@monkeymonkey8526

2 жыл бұрын

@@alcambio8923 Timothy Treadwell was hanging out with wild animals. It was only a matter of time. It's no different with Ocean Ramsey.

5:30 if random untrained people deside they can go and try what she does; that's kind of natural selection right there. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes!

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think the danger concerns are directed at the people. More the interference will the sharks natural behaviour. Thanks for your input though!

@blakeswanson1587

5 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake well I understand that and I feel the same way to some extant, but from what I saw the shark was not bothered and she was very gentle. Im obviously not an expert, just going with what I saw.

@blakeswanson1587

5 жыл бұрын

Good video by the way 👍

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

@@blakeswanson1587 Yes she has definitely had plenty of exprience with sharks. Her touching them on her own time is one thing, but publicly displaying it to millions on instagram : thats the dangerous things. Unedicated people who try and copy her. I always feel as marine conservationists we should lead by example

@blakeswanson1587

5 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake I somewhat believe in natural selection, and if joe/jane shmoe think that they can walts up and touch one of the worlds Apex predators...well let's just say I dont have much sympathy. Still, I dont like it when people are bitten. BUT!!! If your that joe/jane shmoe, your kind of looking to get bit. And that I dont feel bad about. However I do see the other side. Saying that when those people get bitten it will put a bad light on sharks again.

Enjoyed listening and thought the article was fairly pointed out why you shouldnt touch sharks with obviously understanding knowledge , while at the same time listing all the great work Ramsey does. thank you .

“Sharks don’t actually want to eat human” If she could say that to all the people who’ve been eaten by sharks I bet she’d get quite the reaction

@BlackRose22998

11 ай бұрын

@nonsense2369 absolutely.. Ocean Ramsey is dangerous for trying to put that message out there.. silly stupid woman will get hers one day

@wendyallen5105

8 ай бұрын

My ex- husbands wife was eaten by a tiger shark last December.. Sharks absolutely eat humans

Maybe you should listen to Ocean talk again she stated she was waiting to see if that was Blue

@OceanPancake

4 жыл бұрын

Very true!

@mireiification

4 жыл бұрын

It was not Deep Blue tho. She said it is. Deep Blue has a black spot underneath.

@wannyfairy7993

3 жыл бұрын

@@mireiification in everything I seen her say she said she was waiting for confirmation if it was deep blue

@eura542

3 жыл бұрын

@@mireiification she said it was deep blue on about 10 different TV shows, shameless.

@mireiification

3 жыл бұрын

@@eura542 She's getting on my nerves.

How has no one commented on the birds in the background lol

What are your thoughts on someone taking coral to keep in indoor tanks? These hobbyists could one day be able to reintroduce species into habitable areas where they have otherwise become extinct.

A lot of comments for touching a shark, what about fishermen that Still fish sharks for their fins😢

Good points and fun energy in the videos!

Feel blessed to share their world. Touch nothing and leave your bubbles and a smile.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

That's definitely how I feel!

💯 she got excited and caught up in the moment.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

Apperently she did the same thing a couple of years ago in Mexico where it's highly illegal, if you have a look on her Instagram it's a common theme of her 'riding' the sharks.

Great points Katt! I have thought about this a lot and the place for eco/environmentally friendly practices within eco tourism and think the conversation really does lean and sway with a lot of balance! As someone who has always wanted to swim with sharks it's hard to say that interest stems from anywhere expect selfish reasons. There is so much room for growth within shark conservation, it's crazy!! Great video friend!

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this comment. Very well put! That's what the marine biologists said, that it was inherently selfish behaviour.

@noelbush6284

Жыл бұрын

G,day Gage hope you are well. If you want to swim with sharks what is stopping you. Live your dreams. Get in the ocean with Ocean.

It’s not only about the shark safety in the person safety because of The obvious things that you guys are talking about it’s also because of the oils from your hands or suntan lotion on your skin that is getting into the ocean and onto their skin as well. It might not be consequential to us but it is to them

I agree...whether she is a scientist or genius or whatever she shouldn’t be touching the shark. Especially a pregnant one or any one for that matter. She should have respected them from a distance.

Cool video, interesting topic. I see respectful interaction with sea life as a wonderful and beneficial thing. I understand its an issue for purist conservationists. Yet, with all the indiscriminate hunting of sea animals, something needs to change if we're to save the oceans from unrecoverable degradation. To me, Ocean Ramsey shows us that humans can make a connection with even the most dangerous predators in the world. She is totally in their element, but they're comfortable with her rather than aggressive. Sure, they're in a food coma. But creating this connection with sharks - and helping others create a connection - will help people see that sharks aren't indiscriminate killers. And that we should respect the natural world. By the way, at around the 5 minute mark, you say: "she is showing there is no need to be afraid of the shark." I would humbly caution putting words in other people's mouths. I say that b/c I doubt that's what she's trying to say. I think she's just showing people that she loves this animal, she respects the animal... and the animal feels that love and respect in some way. I think this kind of human-shark love/respect/diplomacy is important in countering the portrayal of sharks as menacing, disposable animals, and will help to save the species. I certainly hope so. Thanks again for the video 🌊

@Spaceman-jo5mz

2 жыл бұрын

Very well stated! My sentiments exactly.

@industrialover

Жыл бұрын

No. How do you know the shark is comfortable? The shark had just gorged itself and was in a food coma. We've all stuffed ourselves at Thanksgiving and then laid around comatose. Also, how would you know if the shark was uncomfortable? You wouldn't. Sharks aren't people, you can't assume they're going to act as a person would when they're uncomfortable. House cats don't show their emotions so it's really hard to know when they're sick. If a house cat is acting sick you need to get them to the vet immediately because they usually only do that when they are dying or unable to function properly. I use cats as an example because we've all been around them and they're characters and have little personalities, how much personality have you seen from a great white? You have no way of knowing that shark is comfortable, I would wager that most wildlife wouldn't like being touched by something they're unfamiliar with

@industrialover

Жыл бұрын

Also, you totally contradicted yourself. You clearly stated you thought ocean was showing us that humans can make connections with dangerous predators. You then advise her not to put words in other people's mouths when she says "there is no need to be afraid of sharks" when obviously that's what she gathered from the encounter. You both pretty much had the same interpretation. I'm not sure why what she got from the encounter is putting words in people's mouths and what you got from the encounter isn't putting words in other people's mouths?

@haydendraycott7897

Жыл бұрын

I agree with a good deal of your sentiments but the notion that the "...animal feels that love in respect in some way" no. It's a great white which is a wild and aggressive species and has been for thousands, if not closer to millions of years, it's not a dog or a house cat that comes from a long line of domesticated animals. Her shooting the sharks from a distance and talking about them is enough - she doesn't need to put her own safety at risk or encourage others to do the same.

@nonsense2369

11 ай бұрын

Dudes thought the same thing about grizzly bears and got away with us for a bit. Only a matter of time. This is just gambling with your life.

You're awesome :) I've also read some of your comments /responses and love how passive, passionate, and classy you respond. Nice video. Glad I watched.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your comment! I always try and approach situations with patience and understanding. I've been thinking about it a lot and it's really crazy how there was such an uproar about this, considering how many places in the world are killing sharks. The actual problem in comparison to someone petting them...

The video clip with tons of people swimming around that poor shark stressed me out for the shark. She's just trying to do her thing, leave her alone you jerks. There's like a dozen people swimming after her and some entitled chick touching her, leave her alone!

Respect for staying cool in this comment section.

People who chill out with fuckin sharks and think it’s sweet remind me of the lunatics who hang out with grizzly bears. It’s sweet until it aint

You mention about should we touch these sharks because we may alter their behaviour, too late we already have, time to change our ways. Somehow experience trumps academic BS regarding these creatures.

Are we really thinking that apex predators do also scared even from touching..? It wouldn’t be around at the very first place if it was even bothered anyway.. As for being a bad example to others, she has already stated that this work cannot be done without the accompaniment of experienced people and that each shark may behave differently in different waters. That's why she politely stated that the responsibility should always lie with the experimenter and that she shouldn't be held responsible for the loss of a limb. And who cares about the degree, she implies everything logical depends on her own experiences about the sharks, whereas so many demonize it. Perhaps you and the other scientists may need to find another way to criticize her.. Lets I have never heard of this bs.. Cheezuss..

The coral graffiti makes me cry. I hope the conservation efforts can help everyone who ever touches water, salt or fresh, removes the garbage. I've also wondered if there's anyone who tries to convert the shark fin soup eaters. I'll have to look it up.

@alastairwallace6153

4 ай бұрын

Yeah that annoyed me, zero respect for nature

I don't even agree with researchers removing these animals from the water and puncturing their skin, putting them under stress so that humans can "research them".

No but ocean is a trained professional. Sharks are her work.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

Sharks are many people's work, but you don't see them posting videos of themselves riding sharks. What do you think about the claims she does it for self promotion?

@Sssssssslf

4 жыл бұрын

Trained by whom?

The awareness of finning Ocean's work has brought to surface is invaluable . 11,000 of the ocean's most important predator killed daily for a pointless status symbol, touching a great white is a good way to get the attention to spread that vital message

@donaldvanvliet9039

4 жыл бұрын

christian macri it's not a good way if it makes people wanna go out and swim with and touch great whites, which is what happened here.

@persephone2706

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you, except the message would have been recieved just as much and just as well (actually a lot better from the diving and shark community) if she just swam next to the sharks, without reaching out and touching them.

@beerthug

3 жыл бұрын

@@persephone2706 We can spare 60 dimwits, if it makes a difference conserving sharks.

@josepshchavez4337

Жыл бұрын

@@beerthug ok ?. .

@BadseedGarden

11 ай бұрын

What message is it going to send when she touches one and it decides it's time to take her number? You can only touch a territorial apex predator so many times before they are going to act aggressively. They are not evil, but they are not animals you can touch with any sense of safety, you wouldn't advocate that someone go out and pet wild tigers to spread awareness that they aren't monster would you?

Never touch the fishies!!!!!!!!. even in your open water class we learn not to touch marine life of any kind. there are a lot of things that can do you harm that we may not even be aware of like coral, so beautiful to see, but if you are scraped by the sharp edges you will certainly know the next time not to touch it. not to mention that we can do them harm as well.

@OceanPancake

3 жыл бұрын

Its such a simple rule. There are just too many people diving to be sustainable to touch underwter life

I think this is so typical the world attitude. Here you have somebody with a God given talent that isn’t waiting for a piece of paper to nullify what she’s made to do. And then there are those that have studied the law in and out and the ““ right and wrong and are so busy pointing the finger that they’re not actually doing anything good for anybody. Here she’s getting the word out she’s doing a hell of a lot more good versus bad and people are going to tear her apart for doing what she’s made to do. Everybody needs to get a life. And stop being jealous and rulebound, next thing you know they’re gonna be mad because she doesn’t have a mask on while she’s swimming underwater.

This girl is using Ocean Ramsey to boost her own channel. First go swimming with a 20 foot shark before you try to tell people what to do.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

I would love to get a chance to swim with a great white shark! One day I'll manage to do it. Im a channel who talks about ocean conservation and diving, this was a topic I wanted to share and hear what everyone else's perspectives were! Thank you for the comment

@obijuan3004

5 жыл бұрын

Vegan Diver Katt Ocean Ramsey is either massively brave or she is asking to be shark dinner. My guess is that she truly sees the sharks function in a strong, healthy ocean. For people to second guess what she did in the moment of being next to such a well known and huge set of teeth with fins is ridiculous. Just because other people might do something stupid after watching Ramsey with a shark is not a reason to attack Ramsey. Darwin’s survival of the fittest applies to humans as well, let the dumbest humans among us do what they do. It strengthens the gene pool. The moment that Ocean Ramey touches the huge shark is a beautiful moment among earth’s living species. It should not be ruined by internet chitter-chatter over what a once in a lifetime moment should and should not look like. Let Ramsey be Ramsey.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

@@obijuan3004 I really like your perspective on it! Survival of the fittest is an interesting way of putting it. I think it's so great to see her swimming along with the shark, however just based on divers etiquette etc touching is what makes me nervous. I know that most people wouldn't do what she does, but others would be tempted to copy and potentially cause a shark bite incident. I think she knows the sharks well enough to read the situation, while others are much less educated.

@davidpe2600

4 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake you will be a nice vegan snack!

@OceanPancake

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidpe2600 haha they're not fans of humans

ABSOLUTELY CRAZY!! THERES ABSOLUTELY NO WAY ID EVER DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT...COMPLETELY TERRIFYING!! SAFE ??ARE YOU NUTS??!!!

@NoOne-kr4jc

9 ай бұрын

No, not nuts. Yosemite Nuts.

In my Point of View Ocean Ramsey are out there spreading a Message That The great white Sharks Are not a blood Thirsty Animals. She is trying to Prove it by Touching the Great white. I honestly appeciate what she did. We should all protect this beautiful Creature.

@haydendraycott7897

Жыл бұрын

She can still prove it by not touching it, and thus not encourage anyone else to do the same. Great whites still aren't like a friendly dog or your sociable neighbor - they may seem docile at one moment but they can just as easily turn around and kill you the next if they decide to.

I say atta girl! Her love for the ocean and the sharks is wonderful. She's squeezing the juice out of the experience, so to speak.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

She is definitely making the most of the experience!

@siouxsiecerealkillah7390

2 жыл бұрын

This video has an excellent point regarding ppl flocking to the places Ocean has been and brings out the importance of not disturbing their natural lifestyle etc. Ocean Ramsey is great but the people coming afterwards...not so much.

Ocean Ramsey could teach you a thing or two.

@MargotDemi

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@beerthug

3 жыл бұрын

Start with something simple like a makeup lesson. Don't want to over do it, and have her storm out for a lettuce sandwich.

ok - god bless her for the conservation work she does - i'm sorry - petting a 20 ft. great white shark - ummmm -well - its her life - as you said this is a apex ocean predator -not a puppy dog - how does she really know that shark won't just bite her in half on a whim -??? - i wish her well - but i hope she doesn't end up like steve irwin!!!

This is a very complex and debatable topic. It's all about the degree of intervention we should allow ourselves to have. First of all, the mere presence of a human being is already interfering with the shak, so let's not act as if diving is unnoticed until you touch something. That being said, the effects of intervening can hugely vary depending on many factors. I don't think it's the same on land than in the ocean. Land animals have evolved alongside humans for more time and they are more likely to see as a prey or an identified threat. Fishes on the other hand, will mostly don't understand what we are and have less interest in attacking us. It's therefore less risky that they grow familiar with us, because they weren't refraining their attacks because of fear as sometimes happens with land wild animals. You'd also have to take into account what the animal is feeling at that time and how it will react, or how it will be affected by being touched. Maybe it won't be harmful, maybe it will cause it stress. However body language is difficult to read in fishes, so one could argue that if you don't know, it's better to be prudent and not touch it. It's also a very different issue if the animal we're talking about is a particular individual you know very well and you share a bod develeped through several years of study. In that case you may discover that the animal trust you enough to consent to be touched. This has happened in several cases with professional biologist living with a group of wild animals. However, this shouldn't be assumed of any wild animal and feel free to touch them whenever we want to. And lastly, it is worth considering what effects will it have on the people watching. Will it really encourage everyone to touch random sharks as if there isn't any danger? Or maybe it will show that you can create an intimate connection with a shark, and that they're not bloodthirsty monsters? Maybe it will reduce the fear of sherks and depict them under a new light that invites people to respect them? Maybe she wasn't trying to communicate anything of this, but rather simply enphasize how incredibly big and great that shark was? Maybe it was indeed an irresponsible act made purely by selfish reasons and the desire of having a cool picture? All those things need to be taken into account, and we need to think how we can differentiate one type of action from the other so our intentions and our message are clearer when we are in a situation like that. So in short, this is a very complex topic, and we would have to reflect about each situation one by one. But it's good to agree that the respect for wild fauna is an established top priority.

you know how their is a touch pool in the aquarium. people touch sea life in a touch pool. so it is technically the same thing if you touch a wild great white shark. plus their is other people out their touching other sharks

That giant ass shark is not going to get scared and it’s skin hits different things in the ocean and the wild all the time! A little hand touching it will do nothing, if the shark was bothered it could eat all of them in about 5 seconds. Y’all, we are on the earth together, treat animal and human good but what is the issue with people wanting to touch wild animals? You take the risk of course and if you get bit, killed etc. that is on you. If a person watches was ocean Ramsey does and goes and does it and gets eaten they is their fault. They should do it at their own risk. There is a thing called holding yourself accountable and owning up to what you did and taking it on the chin.

There are rules for a reason it’s for the general public and you don’t need to be a marine biologist to know that the researchers hand is not going to be any different than ocean Ramsey’s hand touching the side of the shark for a few seconds. Her hand is probably less effective to the shark anyway because she’s been swimming around in the ocean and salt water for so long plus your hand is already wet since she’s underwater… She’s not pulling the shark out of water she’s not tagging it she is just touching it with a hand people need to stop freaking the fuck out and start doing something to better the world

2:12 my teacher is forcing me to watch this how bout let me go back to dirt bike shopping

She won't be able to redirect a great white When it's coming at her like she does the slow moving tiger shark. She's taken huge risks, and eventually, her luck's gonna run out. she's going to get attacked. And possibly lose her life.

Ocean Ramsey should not have touch the shark, which was a shark called “haole girl” not deep blue. Deep blue was found and filmed on the Same day or something like that. I don’t know what credentials are needed to be a legit marine biologist but all that should matter is that she shouldn’t have touched the shark nor should she have even been in the picture. If her goal and focus is all about sharks then why does she need to be included in the video footage. Apparently there were plenty of people who returned to that spot the next day and none of the sharks even showed up. That means that Ocean Ramsey effectively scared off all of the sharks in the area, an area which was the only main source of food for all of the large sharks seen eating the whale carcass. I think she did it for the publicity and the IG followers inorder to grow her business. It’s all good to try and grow ones business but I don’t agree with directly contradicting ones morals about shark safety when she in fact did the quite opposite. She scared off the sharks from their feeding grounds, and if that shark was pregnant potentially could cause her to lose her babies.

@OceanPancake

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment. I know that the shark was Haole Girl, however I think in the first few posts about it even Ocean Ramsey referred to her as Deep Blue. But anyway :) I appreciate you taking the time

I think the same as you! She was petting the shark. Never touch it!

@Vegan Diver Katt I suppose you are also Critical of the Techniques and Procedures of William Winram, Greg Skomal Ph.D, Dr. Neil Burnie and Vic Peddemors. All of which Studied Shark Ecology BEFORE Ocean Ramsey. Are they at fault for Learning to interact with Sharks in their World ??

@OceanPancake

4 жыл бұрын

Think the biggest difference is that their work wasnt plastered all over social media in a way that makes many people want to try and copy her. She just published a fantastic book about shark behaviour!

@donaldvanvliet9039

4 жыл бұрын

You completely ignore the point she made in the video...why?

@beerthug

3 жыл бұрын

@@donaldvanvliet9039 It might contradict her passive aggression.

You are a very intelligent, super friendly and stunning beautiful expert! Thank you for this amazing video 👍🫶

I think that is deep blue who would actually know if u wasn’t the one who tagged her u would see her tag duh

Saying it's dangerous for potentially putting people in dangerous situations that is crap. If you put yourself into a situation like that where you see a trained marine biologist and wildlife conservationist you deserve the consequences. I'd let her do her thing and worry about her real message and the disappearance of sharks.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

It is indeed a very important message she is spreading, and all conservationists are happy to have such a public figure. There are just definitely downsides of these types of interactions, one of which is that there are many uneducated people in this world who will take this action as an invitation to copy it. That's why so often we are told to lead by example

@macksharpe1513

5 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake I just think maybe it's time to take another approach to wildlife conservation. I believe she is setting an example to love wildlife and coexist. There will always be stupid people but something needs to be done to get people interested in these animals and she's doing it. Look at Steve Irwin's approach to wildlife conservation and how he change the hearts of millions. Sorry for such a long one

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

@@macksharpe1513 he did indeed inspire millions, but I also worked with hundreds of people who are terrified of rays because of his death which happened because he was too confident and threatened their natural space. I deal with people who get panic attacks around sharks, people who support shark nets, and who think ocean Ramsey is crazy rather than brave and an inspiration. It's difficult to work in conservation :(

@macksharpe1513

5 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake it is difficult but if that doesn't mean you should stop something so amazing and benifical to the world just because some people don't understand what's going on. I mean some people are scared of getting vaccinations because they thing their kids will get autism, that's doesn't make vaccinations any less important. If science always went by the book nothing new would ever be discovered or shared. The problem is not the people doing the science and attempting to speak up for those who can't. It's the people who misinterpret information and fail to take the time to really learn something amazing. I understand where you're coming from but there will always be people who find another way to be afraid or refuse to learn about something like sharks and if seeing somebody as sweet and nice as ocean Ramsey at home with something that is presumed a monster doesn't make you second guess your feelings of these animals then I don't know hahaha. But I do know I am very glad these people will not stop their methods or passions until they change the minds and insipre every person they can and make a real difference in the world.

@Tarheel13

2 жыл бұрын

Ramsey is not.

If you just jump off a boat and touch a shark by the way....means you're nuts. Ocean Ramsey has an affinity with these animals.

Passion, interest, devotion > any pricey piece of paper The people that fall off their couch and decide to try and be a bff with an apex predator are the same idiots that go hiking and try and take a selfie with a damn bear. The sooner those people are gone, the better off we'll all be. Touching the shark is a great way of showing they're not in a 100% aggression mode 100% of the time. So many people are convinced that the sharks are down there, blasting death metal and looking for a sinking cruise ship.

@OceanPancake

4 жыл бұрын

That's a very fair point. She is doing so much for sharks and people's general understanding that they are not mindless killers. For that, I think scientists and divers are all agree on. I like your mention of selfies with bears, it's reminiscent of the darwin awards!

@HuGenitals

4 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake I speak from experience :). When i was 12 I was doing an open water scuba cert in Monterey Ca. On that dive where a nice little mass of seals. They're cute and playful, HOWEVER... every instructor I ever dove with made it a point that they are untrained animals and you're in their house. That point was missed on one of our divers, who couldn't fight the urge to reach out and pet one, his index and middle finger are now and forever will be half of what they used to be. So in Oceans case, it's the 180. She's demonstrating that sharks aren't killers, while my dive partner demonstrated that seals aren't exactly cute and cuddly :) Great channel BTW ;)

I wonder if this lady can talk without her hands? Just asking. Don’t these type of movements attract sharks?

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

Nah, I like talking with must hands too much. Sharks are actually attracted by things which give evidence of their pray around. Me waving my hands would just get them a little confused. They're after fish blood and electromagnetic pulses of much smaller creatures

@nes.torfernandez

4 жыл бұрын

Thomas Carlier can people actually watch the video without make useless comments and ridiculous stamens about her opinion 🤔 Damn if you don’t like the content or opinion of her why you here in first place talking about the way she use her hands lol get a life haters

@jordanek.1978

4 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake as a hard of hearing diver, i can say i love people who talk with their hands, who dont use sign language. Hands just like facial expressions help with recognizing emotion when i cant catch tone of voice when me hearing aids are not on. Love ur videos ❤

@OceanPancake

4 жыл бұрын

@@jordanek.1978 that's such a nice thing to hear :)

@OceanPancake

4 жыл бұрын

Read* :)

Im sorry but I agree with Ocean Ramsey and any criticism towards her I dont necessarily agree with. She always lets people know not to do what shes doing

Some land animals will actually abandon their babies if they smell human on them, so as amazing as swimming with sharks probably is, she looks a little mental "redirecting" as she calls it, with her hands up near their head/face/mouth. I know that touching whale sharks is a HUGE no-no because of that protective barrier around them that you were talking about, but idiots (the uneducated that think they are experts from watching YT videos) do what they do best, and that's live up to their name 🙄 Your videos are great, keep 'em a comin!

Ocean Ramsey is amazing 🌹

She should not have but it would have been hard to resist if it's your passion So i wouldn't be able to say i wouldn't It's not as if you could do it every day

@OceanPancake

4 жыл бұрын

Its hard to resist, but we have to as people who are showing the world.

@beerthug

3 жыл бұрын

Same person, 2 channels

Well, Timothy Treadwell also thought he has some sort of special relationship with wild animals...

I absolutely love Ocean ... people are so jelly of her it’s crazy!!

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

The is an amazing shark activist for sure! 🦈

@Tink_InTheRoom

4 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake learn how to type (she)And in one of the first comments before this you wrote (meat) instead mean n is no where near t why you wrote (meat) blows my mind you just wanna be her so bad maybe you just want some meat so bad miss vegan your like a hungry shark just wants that jelly fish cause you so jelly. Love you becca good southpark reference.

@OceanPancake

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tink_InTheRoom sometimes autocorrect does funny things on the phone. Thanks for leaving a comment with your thoughts though :) I think ocean does good things for the sharks, but I think it's also vital to have conversations about the approaches to conservation! :)

@rinishan

3 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake Love how you're being so calm with criticism and hypocrisy. Thank you for the video, it's a really balanced take on both the good and the bad of what Ocean Ramsay is doing. It is a topic that seems to divide people's opinions a lot.

@OceanPancake

3 жыл бұрын

@@rinishan Yes indeed, but at the end of the day, the conservation about the conservation of sharks is the most important part!

Beauty and brains

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you

People shouldn’t be bunch of sheep following “messages” rather than taking responsible decisions..

Their range extends into very warm French Polynesia and Hawaiian Islands as well. It always has. I agree about not touching apex predators though. Lol!

8:25 "Is 'please do not attempt to ride wild grizzly bears' something you terrestrial folk have to explicitly say to tourists? 🤣

Much #RESPECT I doubt anyone on here talking negatively would have the cahonas to even get in the water stop being jelly and pay homage

@OceanPancake

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for making that point. I am just trying to provide education and a space for a discussion.

@beerthug

3 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake Just trying? Bullshit, have the balls to call a spade a spade. I wasn't 'able' to find any biology accreditation in her name. It's that 'cover your ass' with a foot thick slab of lead, that makes you sound like any other joe blow with a KZread channel.

@OceanPancake

3 жыл бұрын

@@beerthug Not sure what you are getting at here. I am not going to make false claims, but as far as I have seen she is not a qualified marine scientist. She has experience with sharks and has done many things for them, however touching sharks in the name of pictures is a no no in many scientific communities.

You have misinterpreted this event. This was a training event for the Darwin Awards.

Amazing

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It must have been an incredible experience!

@enodrax273

5 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake I admire you very much for what you do. Because it is beautiful and also for your courage, I love sharks and you seem to be in harmony whit their. Congratulations and sorry my English is not perfect.. 🤦‍♂️😂

@beerthug

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, Ocean Ramsey is amazing.

100% spot on you are" Native Hawaiians would summon or call shark gods in to feed them" Her sharks always are there not because they are friends , She has trained them to know the soumd of her boat & even her voice along with her ladder etc. They know her as a possible food source, So they keep trying & evemtually will figure a way once they know all her moves ,just as a student /instructor Im sure bruce lee wasnt as sharp @ first too " Peoples long life pets raosed from a baby have had their owners for dinner "😮

I believe that if you are trained enough then I think it's fine but just because she does it doesn't mean others are going to but at the same time people are gonna do what they're gonna do nothings going to stop that and honestly the ones jumping off their boats you should hold the darers or people egging them on not someone showing how sharks aren't the monsters everyone makes them into

Ocean Ramsey is apparently 5ft10, I measured her next to Deep Blue. And that shark isn’t 20ft; it’s around 15ft.

@beerthug

3 жыл бұрын

Did you hop in the ocean and use your measuring 'stick', or just give it the old eye treatment? Your opinion will create an uproar I'm sure.

Ramsey is doing great work. I would never swim with a shark as they can turn on you at any moment, but it is ones right to be a shark meal. It's like the guy whole studied Grizzlies and ultimately was eaten by one. Any time we are in the wild we are taking a chance of getting hurt or die. It life. Funny how the people who get degrees think they can put rules in place that allow only them to interact with wildlife. Anyone can study in or out of a university and become an expert, you do not need a degree to be an expert.

@OceanPancake

3 жыл бұрын

She is raising a lot of awareness and bringing conservtion to the forefront! Its very important work.

@beerthug

3 жыл бұрын

@@OceanPancake Way to dodge the comment.

I too believe that IF she wants to actually save the sharks or protect them…she should stop 🛑

In Utlia there was a lady shark for every male shark out there.

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

Shark lady?

Whether it be humans, sharks, dogs, cats, birds, dragonflies etc. If I am in the same environment as them and we notice eachother, I have the choice of either avoiding connection/contact all together, or openly offering contact (without expectation that it will be reciprocal as many creatures are timid for various reasons, yet many are naturally more curious and open). It is then the choice of the creature as to whether they come closer to receive/give contact. I am not going to chase a human/dog/shark to get a touch and fuel the ego if they have not accepted the invitation of connection/contact. Its not selfish or disrespectful to extend an arm for a handshake or hug to a human/creature you've never met before, it is disrespectful towards another creature to do that if they are clearly resistant to it. Noone is advocating to just dive into the ocean and expect every shark wants a pat or that they can't still rip people apart in certain circumstances. Can almost guarantee that everyone bashing Ocean Ramsey has never swum with a shark themselves. Be mindful and go out with a trained, EXPERIENCED professional who actually understands the creatures and environment and understands our inherent connection with all forms of life 🤙

Very interesting - I always understood never touch wildlife full stop - whether it’s in the ocean or on land - unless it is in danger or causing danger to others and you need to intervene (e.g. take it to a vet, free it from netting etc). I have heard of Ocean before - she seems to spark a lot of controversy as she isn’t part of the mainstream culture and is a bit of a hippie outsider - whether that is true or not I couldn’t say. Xx

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

I haven't heard of her being referred to as a hippie outsider yet. Interesting point. I have also always gone under the impression of not touching any wildlife full stop. I'm wondering, whether as in the case of Steve Irwin, it shows that these animals aren't vicious predators.

@char6573

5 жыл бұрын

She does appear to have a degree in Biology, not some hippie outsider. Check out her talk kzread.info/dash/bejne/fJuHqpunnqSnZ6Q.html

@LizzieDeanMakes

5 жыл бұрын

Char L just to clarify I am not calling her a hippie outsider - simply saying that many of these controversy media pieces portray her as such - I think I did make that quite clear in my OP

@char6573

5 жыл бұрын

@@LizzieDeanMakes Sorry I meant not to insult you, I just wanted to point out that those media portrays are not accurate.

@GetUpFalcon

5 жыл бұрын

Well check out this dialogue. Fantastic example of just how detached people are becoming. Lizzie Dean Makes, Char L, My Vegan Experiment - there are no noble prize winners among you.

lm sure sharks have feelings to who doesn't like a back rub diving with sharks is an educational experience for divers and sharks alike

Not good for the shark I would have thought!, makes it more familiar with humans and then it may be more attracted to beaches where people bathe and then it will get shot?

@OceanPancake

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think the shark could make that sort of connection. They're amazing instinctual creatures but not quite critical thinking enough to deduce that about beaches. They just go along with their instincts..

Ocean Ramsey is a marine biologist. That’s quite easy to check out.