Thanks for watching ya’ll it was a pleasure hosting the UNDECIDED series. How I like to think of the UNDECIDED group is potentially many of you watching and in the comment section. Would love to hear your thoughts.

@EvilAzrael404

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely glad to see you as the host/moderator! Well-deserved Gen 👏

@just_a_turtle_chad

7 ай бұрын

Undecided people are just allowing evil to happen

@LilSyl05

7 ай бұрын

BRO CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! Debate are always better with a moderator in the middle!

@YehorKozyr

7 ай бұрын

I did not expect this collaboration, but I think it worked out well!

@SaraHigdon

7 ай бұрын

Was a pleasure to meet you!

I used to like when Jubilee would provide a 'fact check' when people throw out random statistics/facts. If you could bring that back in the future, it would help your content a lot!

@Summer-rp9fb

7 ай бұрын

Yess they need to do this! It’d get rid of any “facts” that were thrown out during the debate that us, the viewers, could believe as true and lead to even more misinformation.

@marmar90000

7 ай бұрын

To be honest, I'm disappointed that they didn't point out the following two things: 1. That the American Psychiatric Association (which publishes the now-aging DSM-5) no longer considers being transgender to be a mental disorder. They just list 'gender dysphoria' which they define as "clinically significant distress or impairment *related to* gender incongruence" (i.e. not the gender incongruence itself, since they recognize that not all trans people live with dysphoria). Similarly, the World Health Organization (which published the 11th edition of the International Classification of Diseases in 2022) no longer considers 'gender incongruence' to be a mental disorder, point blank. 2. That post-mortem and in-vivo studies have consistently found (and are still finding) that the brains of transgender people are much more similar, functionally and structurally, to the brains of the gender they identify with than the brains of the gender they were assigned at birth. This is true even in trans people who have *yet* to undergo any pharmaceuticals or other medical procedures. The understanding here is that one's prenatally-established "brain sex" (which can be different from one's "corporeal sex", since they are hit by sëx hormones at different times during a pregnancy) is what is also also informing one's gender identity.

@eleccy

7 ай бұрын

@@marmar90000 1. The APA stated plainly that they reclassified in order to reduce stigma. It's still treated like any other mental disorder with clinical intervention. This was a political act by the APA and I've researched this thoroughly. 2. Give me the DOI of one study that claims this. I've reviewed hundreds of studies and none of them have stated "brains of transgender people are much more similar, functionally and structurally, to the brains of the gender they identify with". In fact the most recent study I reviewed on this concluded a "unique brain phenotype". i.e. specific parts of brain anatomy, some yes, some no. And it's all a nothingburger anyway as that's not a diagnostic criteria, and "trans" is an umbrella term and not the same as suffering from GD.

@anastasia-fr1gn

7 ай бұрын

Nah, I’d rather fact check it myself and not depend on this channel.

@Dustin277

7 ай бұрын

Yet the middle liberal doesn't car about facts just feelings 🤣🤣🤣🤣

They should call doctors, surgeons, psychatrist for this. We wanna hear their views!

@lilducko

7 ай бұрын

That might affect their jobs tho

@tokiix4681

7 ай бұрын

Majority of the medical community and the top of the top in their fields tend to not be conservative side, considering the conservatives only have misinformation as their information. Conservative side shouldn't have much of a say due to their lack of knowledge

@Chelelinda

7 ай бұрын

@@lilducko freedom of speech really doesn’t exist

@phar0ahad3

7 ай бұрын

They cant because the conservative oens if they were honest theyd lose thier jobs ....

@mickeyrube6623

7 ай бұрын

Jubilee asking experts? Hahahaa😂😂😂😂!

That girl with glasses is NOT undecided😭😭😭

@jjkkjwhw

3 ай бұрын

Literally

@arethasD6belt

3 ай бұрын

When she said "he" instead of "she" I was dyingggg 😭😭

@user-tp4bo8iu7p

2 ай бұрын

She is correct not undecided

@gregerysstuntdouble2992

2 ай бұрын

@@user-tp4bo8iu7p pre: argument

@LocatedLeech

2 ай бұрын

Completely agree, it was and unfair study.

If there’s going to be an “undecided” group, there shouldn’t be any personal biases; the girl whose cousin is trans and is very important to her, I wouldn’t consider her undecided.

@Sinamitzu

4 ай бұрын

Exactly

@Stay_Zerose

4 ай бұрын

My thought exactly, she was never undecided and she was trying to correct the conservative is evidence that she was not there to form an opinion. Don't forget she self identified as Queer in the video, sorry but thats a bias...

@mountaindew3201

4 ай бұрын

She’s been groomed

@aidanayala2768

4 ай бұрын

It’s impossible to have a group without personal biases unless you wanna have ai be the undecided group lil bro

@user-jx7fx8pd4i

4 ай бұрын

Sara is trans herself yet still conservative. Trans people (and anyone related to a trans person) can still be liberal or conservative.

Shout out to the FIRST Jubilee moderator that truly did an amazing job moderating and defending all people answering. Bring this guy on a lot more please

@alrightari8401

7 ай бұрын

He has his own KZread channel and he is always very unbiased. I love his videos for that!

@OmegaDelta82

7 ай бұрын

He was excellent and he kept the conversation on track. 👍

@GEN

7 ай бұрын

Appreciate it! Thanks for watching

@Reilly.401

7 ай бұрын

@@alrightari8401fr!! I was so surprised this episode I hope they keep doing this

@Kingofthenet2

7 ай бұрын

Yes he was the best I’ve seen so far!

Sorry but Kiara was definitely not “undecided” she had a huge liberal bias coming into this 😂

@kourtnie3609

7 ай бұрын

Agree 100%. She should be wearing blue and sitting with the other liberals lol.

@patricialin9045

7 ай бұрын

Ikr. "I can't agree because someone close to me is trans" is not an argument

@paullooper1090

7 ай бұрын

@@patricialin9045 Deep down, "I cannot hurt the feelings of my trans friend, so I will remain liberal on this"...

@blackdogledzep

7 ай бұрын

Yeah that was some bull

@abelpwns713

7 ай бұрын

Exactly

I love how they bipped Dylan Mulvaney's name, until they suddenly didn't 🤣

@emg.9246

5 ай бұрын

Omfg I thought they were speaking on Jazz Jennings. The child that started their medical transition at 7

@zoeybarter3246

5 ай бұрын

@@emg.9246 that’s absolutely not true, no one starts medically transitioning at 7, there’s no reason to intervene medically at that age. It’s only when puberty begins that medical intervention becomes necessary.

@jennam8401

4 ай бұрын

@@zoeybarter3246 perhaps they meant pubity blockers? This is a form of intervention that is intended at the age of pubity starting or before it. Girls can easily begin menstruations at 8/9

@raulh5457

4 ай бұрын

Who is that why would they beep that

@megamax898

4 ай бұрын

Dylan won woman of the year and I don’t know why they would bleep Dylan’s name out. I’m avoiding pronouns because to me it seems like this is Dylan’s latest desperate ploy to get clout. He has a history of humiliating and degrading himself for attention.

I don’t think it should automatically be separated into liberal vs conservative, it’s an unnecessary divide when there are people all over the political spectrum who agree or disagree on this topic.

@denzellmovies

4 ай бұрын

ikr. I don't even know what exactly the undecided people are choosing sides on in the end

@izzymorales1548

3 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing! They need to stop doing the liberals vs conservative in these debates because it takes away from the topic of discussion. It should be separated between agree vs disagree

@gob6793

3 ай бұрын

Agreed! This just adds more fuel to the “political inaccuracy” fire we’ve been seeing lately.

@smileyface8057

3 ай бұрын

Yes! I’m a liberal who doesn’t believe that minors should transition medically! I think if a minor thinks they’re trans they should try to dress up as the other gender, change their pronouns, and see how they feel about changing their gender and then decide as adults if that works out

@denzellmovies

3 ай бұрын

@@smileyface8057 that is literally what transitioning is for kids though. They are not eligible for a sex change surgeries until they are 16/18. Everyone agrees that kids shouldn't get bottom surgery, and no one is advocating to change that

As a detrans teen I honestly don't even know how this is a question anymore at this point. Children cannot consent.

@inspiwo

7 ай бұрын

im trans and children should not have medical transitions. only social.

@karen5916

7 ай бұрын

@@inspiwo I agree with you fully. Present how you want, express yourself in whatever way makes you happy, go by a different name, fine. That's all healthy experimentation. But medically transitioning crosses the line big time.

@justsomerandomname2067

7 ай бұрын

Children cannot consent, but they can still get the medication that they need. Transition is the medication that some children need.

@karen5916

7 ай бұрын

@@justsomerandomname2067 As someone who has lived with clinical, diagnosed gender dysphoria for the past 4 years, it is not the medication that CHILDREN need. Absolutely not. DBT, CBT, and many other psychotherapies have been proven to significantly improve and treat GD. It is actually the recommended treatment for juvenile GD, not medicalization.

@justsomerandomname2067

7 ай бұрын

@@karen5916 i think that we should advocate for a system that will try therapy and antidepressants first. And if that doesnt help, and the childs symptoms fit the GD diagnostic criteria better than any other mental illness, then the child should be given the option of HRT and/or blockers if they have reached puberty (with the advice and supervision of doctors ofc)

wait props for them actually being told to wear colors for once, this makes it so much easier LOL

@antonyshadowbanned

7 ай бұрын

Yes, except I would prefer if they did not choose blue / red (liberal / conservative), even if it's much more likely to have their politics align with the side on the topic, we may have some for whom it does not apply : )

@beyondthisnormalrealm

7 ай бұрын

This kind of concept can only work with few things as liberals and conservatives already have a well known and picked color but there’s not colors for things like flat earthers vs scientists etc

@slopely

7 ай бұрын

They can define what the colors indicate at the start of the video@@beyondthisnormalrealm

@AlulaAndCalamus

7 ай бұрын

@@antonyshadowbanned agreed, maybe to fit the format have it be like black on one side then white on the other side then it be gray in the middle.

@Kingofthenet2

7 ай бұрын

@@antonyshadowbannedI agree

"you can talk about statistics and facts all day but i dont care" ......and there we have it folks...feelings over facts

@Secret-jg1bk

2 ай бұрын

The bio-Anthropology is what really hit me when she says "assumed gender" smh... At this point the whole trans movement isn't going to stop by any means necessary to facts and concrete evidence at all, which makes a big huge difference at actual evidential proof to biology and any scientific evidential physical proof that can prove them wrong. They just want to try their best to manipulate anything to prove a mental crisis of dysphoria which has nothing to do with reality whatsoever

Hats off to Evelyne who was actually there to learn and be objective, while asking real questions not based on feelings.

@ROEnotEOR

5 ай бұрын

Feelings are also important to make important decisions. It's what makes us human. And rationality is not the only path for truth. Stop demonizing emotions because they are a fundamental part of who we are and the human experience, and they guide us in important instances of our lives.

@gob6793

3 ай бұрын

@@ROEnotEORNo one demonized feelings?? Lmao calm down keyboard warrior

@ROEnotEOR

3 ай бұрын

@@gob6793 the moment you state that "learning and being objective" implicates not considering or basing your arguments on feelings, yes, you're demonizing them. You can't understand the trans issue without taking into account feelings. It's a fundamental aspect to experience and consider in order to be "objetive" and actually learn.

@gob6793

3 ай бұрын

@@ROEnotEOR Nah dude. That’s not objectivism then.

@realskydiver777

3 ай бұрын

@@gob6793 i will never understand this arguement. feelings matter. if feelings didnt matter, then a lot of terrible, horrible things would be ok bc feelings dont matter. (like bullying or catcalling)

BRO WHAT? Kiara seriously did not come on here undecided. She literally just states that she couldn’t go to the conservative side in order to not offend her trans cousin. Do not bring her back.

@Random-sk6hm

6 ай бұрын

Evelyn wasn't undecided either. She went to conservative on all but one occasions.

@timmymannies6888

6 ай бұрын

Her point for the final decision didn't make sense at all, like where are your points? Lol

@Kingofthenet2

6 ай бұрын

@@Random-sk6hmI agree

@chillwill12

6 ай бұрын

That’s Al I kept hearing… She annoyed the fck outa me.

@EpicFandomVogue

6 ай бұрын

@@Random-sk6hmYou’re incorrect. She remained undecided and also chose liberal in two separate instances.

This is probably the BEST jubilee moderator I’ve ever seen! He needs to do them all This format is cool

@tomatotoes6436

7 ай бұрын

That’s because he’s not from Jubilee. He has a yt channel called GEN

@GEN

7 ай бұрын

Appreciate it! Thanks for watching

@kindauncool

7 ай бұрын

Agreed, I wish they didn't chop it up SO heavily though, and that both sides were more educated on the opposing side's opinions.

@greenisop6883

7 ай бұрын

@@GENyou a G

@55rz55

7 ай бұрын

@@kindauncool it's only 50 minutes and so many questions to go through tho

the girl with the glasses was never undecided she knew which side she was gonna go on each time 😭 next time make sure everyone is open minded and doesn’t just agree with one side

@devaangparasher6835

3 ай бұрын

exactly

@GohanSSJZ

3 ай бұрын

Typical conservative comment. "OMG 1 person choose liberal over conservative, even though she went undecided once and conservative once, and 2 went conservative!!!11!!! How in the world can't everyone be conservative1!!!11"

@Pinkmercedesbenz

3 ай бұрын

@@GohanSSJZ I am not conservative, I use to be 100% liberal now I’m moderate. Please stop speaking when u don’t even know me ✋😂

@sknight8621

3 ай бұрын

to be fair, she was just following logic, basic facts, and reality

@ellamayo3851

3 ай бұрын

@@sknight8621well it’s kind of fallacious of you to assume u know what she based her decisions on when u aren’t inside her mind. whether u agree or not, she admit she has someone close to her who is trans and that is definitely going to sway her opinions.

How TF is this even a question to be asked?! People have lost their minds.

@fabien994

3 ай бұрын

thanks!

@juju-kn6rx

3 ай бұрын

chill lmao. wait till you find out minors have been having non gender related plastic surgery for YEARS now 🤯🤯🤯

@LamisBest

3 ай бұрын

@@juju-kn6rx so that means that its okay? what kind of logic is this

@pffpffovich2398

3 ай бұрын

@@juju-kn6rx wtf? Plastic surgery for minors, what is that South Korea or US?

@root937

3 ай бұрын

Yes, they have. The world is facing a mental health crisis

Socially yes, medically no

@darwinfinche9959

7 ай бұрын

Simple to the point and accurate

@9tailedbeast392

7 ай бұрын

Exactly what I think

@kaylissaphillips2572

7 ай бұрын

💯

@HopeWren

7 ай бұрын

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@Goldenwhitewings

7 ай бұрын

No for both

Sara and Arthur are both conservatives, but are still clearly different on exactly what their opinions of trans people are. A debate between the two would be killer

@ArthurCSchaper

7 ай бұрын

I would agree to that.

@jurgnobs1308

7 ай бұрын

nah. there is nothing positive to gain from listening to dirt like Arthur. the only thing that leads to is brain rott.

@alyssamckenzie7714

7 ай бұрын

Arthur does not represent true conservatives like me and Sara

@jurgnobs1308

7 ай бұрын

@@alyssamckenzie7714 how do you define a true conservative?

@nenechi4ever

7 ай бұрын

@@jurgnobs1308pee pee caca

Antidepressants will never work unless you do. I was on them for years. Nothing changed. Ever. Until I changed what I was doing in my life and finding what made me happy outside of abusing drugs. Getting my ADHD/OCD addressed. Going to therapy, work, and doing the things that made me happy. Is how I got happy.

@artandme_

4 ай бұрын

But what workes for you doesn't work for everyone. Some people do experience benefits from anti-depressants

@Sonic-gy7kq

4 ай бұрын

@@artandme_ Research doesn't lie, especially the antidepresant research. Many showing less than 50% efficasy. Which in the pharma industry is considered to be a failure. Yet they cost fractions of pennies to manufacture and when people try to quit they have horrible side effects. Not trying to snare anyone off of them, but I was on them and it helped nothing. Im happier then ever off of them. I had to make real life changes. Hoping some clinically ineffective pill to change my socioeconomic circumstances is absolutely ridiculous.

@imnotnotgameiacmaniac5327

3 ай бұрын

the point of antidepressants is by defintion to reduce depression on their own. if they aren't doing that then you should stop taking them

@sd7785

3 ай бұрын

They work for some people but not for others

@Sonic-gy7kq

3 ай бұрын

@@sd7785 They didnt work for me... you have to work for yourself. They didn't do anything for me. But I wasn't waiting around doing nothing but hoping these placebos will change your life. Only you can.

the problem with this whole discussion is that there is no certainty that they arent just lying or basing their opinion on false information they just accepted because of their bias.

I wish we knew more about how the undecided group was chosen

@natalyarea

7 ай бұрын

same

@madhurimapremkumar2341

7 ай бұрын

same

@ana-maria4426

7 ай бұрын

Same here. I am not really sure how Kiara is undecided and was selected as part of the undecided group. Throughout watching I felt like she already had her view formed and wanted to argue with the Conservative side rather than take in new arguments. Personally, the undecided group should be individuals who are politically neutral or central. It makes more sense that way.

@ysq724y

7 ай бұрын

Exactly! I was going to say! After the embarrassing mess that was Blossom/NB chaos where the trans conservatives wiped the floor with the liberals by using logic, seems like an interesting time to insert a new formula that can soften the logic.

@Unsp0ken99

7 ай бұрын

​@@ysq724yalmost as if... they had... an agenda. *gasp*

If one side believes in difference between sex and gender and the other side doesn't, I feel like there's hardly a possibility for middle ground

@petervizzini8239

7 ай бұрын

There isn't. It's one of the either

@MrBuns-yi2hk

7 ай бұрын

That's the biggest problem with the trans issue. One side of the issue believes that gender is separate from biological sex, and the other believes that they both coexist. You can't really come to a middleground when the two sides are operating on a completely different foundation.

@bn09185

7 ай бұрын

It's not really talking about sex vs. Gender, most of this is about minors transitioning. Most people agree that adults have free reign to do what they want with their body as long as they aren't hurting someone else

@alteredpoca

7 ай бұрын

It's not the subject of the discussion, but it's an unavoidable part of the conversation @@bn09185

@aliahduiker7998

7 ай бұрын

Ya… we need to clearly define terminology before we can even have this discussion

Please bring out more fact-checking Moderators to the mix. You can't just have people spout out complete lies in a debate like this, and not have it adressed... One person was claiming trans people get worse health and mental issues after transitioning, and cited a study made in denmark of the same year. However, that's not what the study was about at all. It simply compared mental health between any transitioning trans person to CIS people. All the study is about and found out, is that trans people still overall face discrimination and higher rates of depression than the average population, but not at all transitioning making your mental health worse...

@8shanrahan1

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s disgusting how he uses these studies in bad faith.

@bananaleaf5899

4 ай бұрын

"CIS people" you mean normal people?

@shadowemperor5177

Ай бұрын

@@bananaleaf5899Trans people are not necessarily abnormal, and being cis and being normal are not mutually exclusive.

9:59 why was bro most embarrassed that he deadnamed X as Twitter

@boominngg

5 ай бұрын

lmaoo literally

The moderator did wonderful in this video. Not interrupting and forcing the members to stop the topic due to not reaching a middle ground. Please keep this guy around, his channel just received a new subscriber!

@GEN

7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Apppreciate you watching

@ethanmiles20

7 ай бұрын

@@GEN you the goat 🐐 I pray for your further success and blessings. You work hard at what you do and it can't be easy processing both sides as well as you do. I hope one day I see you doing journalism in my later years telling my kids that you've been legit since day one.

@bigfishysmallpond

7 ай бұрын

Yes best thus far, I like the format too

@brightshining

7 ай бұрын

@@GEN Incredible job at judicious and well-researched moderation :)

@gergie1234

7 ай бұрын

It was funny when it started to get heated and everyone was raising their voice then the host said “okay, let’s go to the panel.” Lol well done host

Kiara clearly wasn't undecided. She had a side and came on the show to support it till the end. That being said, I don't think because one changed sides midway meant their entire view had changed midway, but rather that on that particular issue they leaned more towards one to the other

@berserkerrxii5776

7 ай бұрын

fr

@cinder7258

7 ай бұрын

I think Kiara was fine

@Ryadovoy_Borodin

7 ай бұрын

@@cinder7258They were supposed to be undecided on the topic and asked who they agreed with after the conversation. She clearly had a liberal bias. She even mentioned that she agreed with the liberal side because she has a trans friend.

@VoVina111

7 ай бұрын

that was my worry going in for this concept ... that most people would already come in with their own biases from experiences and whatever media they consume. it'll be very difficult to find someone who is truly unbiased and undecided...

@danielschmidt2683

7 ай бұрын

No sh1t. You're dealing with real people, not mindless drones. You're upset because you haven't found someone who will magically fall for the debate bullsh1t. Go cry

Although I think the undecided group wasn’t 100% undecided, putting this group and a moderator in the vids made these a lot better to watch

I’m someone who socially transitioned at 15, medically at 18. The issue is so complex, and unfortunately we don’t have the data to fully support either side. That being said, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a social transition. But ultimately, this should be looked at on a case by case basis. Every individual is different and varies in the severity of their dysphoria and how they cope with it.

Dang, Evelyne is so intelligent and well-spoken! Smarter than most adults I’ve met.

@alphauno6614

7 ай бұрын

Yeah way more informed and collected regarding her thoughts

@Lauwit

7 ай бұрын

Yes but not on every topic

@2crisp63

7 ай бұрын

@@Lauwit no one on the planet is on every topic

Evelyne is wise beyond her years. I'm genuinely impressed by her.

@Superbatmanbro

7 ай бұрын

👏🏿👏🏿😎

Arthur looks like eustace from courage the cowardly dog

If people can’t differentiate between sex and gender, it’s not worth debating.

@ryanthomas9306

6 ай бұрын

It’s hard to debate someone who doesn’t understand what a disorder or mental illness is

@Lilithotw

6 ай бұрын

@@ryanthomas9306 exactly like you.

@noticedruid4985

6 ай бұрын

It's because there is a fundamental disagreement on it. It's not a consensus that they are separate. One side fundamentally disagrees with that.

@ReapR1Actual

4 ай бұрын

Since when did sex and gender mean something different? That's absolutely hilarious that we make these things up then live by them like gospel.

@deo1107

4 ай бұрын

It's because that's also opinion based

Bringing Sara for this Middle Ground is such a smart decision. She was the most grounded in the previous Trans Conservative vs Trans Liberals discussion.

@MustyUnderboob

7 ай бұрын

Nobody is questioning the huge wave of dudes like "Sara" who are ex military who have decided to suddenly transition.

@sharonlindsay7097

7 ай бұрын

What are you questioning?

@zeals936

7 ай бұрын

I agree. She came with facts. Not feelings.

@radioqueenbee7008

7 ай бұрын

Sara is awesome.

@lostineggsaisle

7 ай бұрын

I liked her too

I like this format with the undecided group. It really helped to have a logical third party who was able to poke holes in the other groups arguments.

@alishayin5267

7 ай бұрын

And it was great to have an actual moderator that didn't favor a certain bias

@GEN

7 ай бұрын

Appreciate it! Thanks for watching

@lilmissmonsterrr

7 ай бұрын

It would've been better to have three undecided though. They only had two, because one of them was very much decided.

@kwaviddong7875

7 ай бұрын

@@lilmissmonsterrryup it’s clear the liberal girl already had her mind set

@MomoHitsujiOwO

7 ай бұрын

@@lilmissmonsterrrI agree with you there, we truly needed an actual 3 person group that is undecided. Hopefully next time, there will really be a full unbiased side.

Evelyne is absolutely amazing. I hope she goes far in life.

@zeldeure1765

4 ай бұрын

Arthurs pretty cool too. I love how he just states it how it is, and seems very passionate about what he talks about

@justsomeguywithoutagirl4956

Ай бұрын

@@zeldeure1765 Snowflakes get hurt by him lmao

I really like how you had each side wear a certain color. This made it so much essier to keeo track of who is who... which is soetimes difficult on other episodes. Please do this more! And it doesnt need to red vs blue. Make it any color.

Kiara was not undecided. She clearly had a bias and was annoying to have on the panel. She was going off pure emotion.

@snailcheeseyoutube

7 ай бұрын

she literally went to the conservative once and decided as well...did you watch the video or just the first 5 minutes? you wont talk about the other girl who went to the conservative side all but once...don't be a hypocrite

@stephaniemartinez5576

7 ай бұрын

@@snailcheeseyoutube Yeah, I just watched five minutes (insert eye roll) . The other girl had logic and reasoning behind her decisions while Kiara used primarily emotions. Kiara even said she knows someone who is trans, which clearly demonstrated her bias. She couldn’t even repeat talking points correctly. Stop being ignorant.

@Cutie..Patootie

7 ай бұрын

Why is it wrong to go off emotion though? It's a fact that human emotions influence decisions. Also you're never gonna get a purely neutral person on one of these panels no matter what.

@ReallyOriginalname

7 ай бұрын

@@Cutie..Patootie If all decision went based off emotion* the world would have ended, logic is needed. This is why you can request the court to change your judge if they are just being emotional or impartial towards you. Edit put logic instead of emotion.

@archivefamily53

7 ай бұрын

It's funny how you call out other people's bias then clearly expose yours, again I looked at this video and analyzed both sides. The liberal side definitely could've cited accurate facts and it costed them the argument not to do so, as much as it may suck to realize this transitioning does work (minors can't physically transition in the U.S) look up facts..they just postpone puberty they can choose to transition once they're 18

shoutout to Sara for sitting on the conservative side and speaking to the reality of the situation at hand while still remaining kind, empathetic, and compassionate.

@ysq724y

7 ай бұрын

Agreed

@inspiwo

7 ай бұрын

fr at least she wasnt BLATANTLY BEING RUDE like arthur

@MsRuntz

7 ай бұрын

yeah but how are you transgender and standing with people who are downplaying and talking crap about your whole identity lmao weird.@@inspiwo

@rosentickan

7 ай бұрын

i think she detransitioned@@MsRuntz

@wig.snatcher

7 ай бұрын

@@MsRuntz nobody does that get out of your echo chamber

Kiara is not undecided she is pretty liberal

Why is no one talking about Christian?! He was so bright and intelligent and genuinely open to the truth on both sides

That one "undecided" lady definitely came in decided. She knew people, had personal stories, etc

@7eyesopenwide168

7 ай бұрын

Typical of leftists. Deception and dishonesty.

@stephenblasco8557

7 ай бұрын

💯

@nicholaso4302

7 ай бұрын

As always.

@thefish2665

7 ай бұрын

That is facts, I was like "shes not undecided lol"

The moderator did a much better job at this then they did at the Trans Liberal Vs Trans Conservatives Debate despite both debates being filmed on the same day.

@tomatotoes6436

7 ай бұрын

True but that’s because it’s not the same one and GEN doesn’t work for Jubilee

@GEN

7 ай бұрын

Appreciate it! Thanks for watching

@DgardsGaming

7 ай бұрын

@@tomatotoes6436Should do this more often, have, more people like Gen as moderators.

@barbrothers2

7 ай бұрын

because that moderator had an obvious anti-conservative bias and it showed even though the conservatives slayed the debate regardless of their attempts at being silenced.

@baz3575

7 ай бұрын

@@barbrothers2 Yeah, that Indian woman is hella racist against whites and conservatives. It is kinda wild to see how racist many western born people of Asian heritage are towards white while ironically exclusively dating them. It really shows how being trans and racist are social contagions and trends of the times.

This is a great new way of having these kinds of discussions. I love the new format, but I do think the producer should not be onset, but may say comments, like, could you guys discuss this or could you explain this but behind the set I think that gives more of a section off field that they’re allowed to discuss And not get influenced if that makes sense

That bald guy looks angry at all times

@nh7680

4 ай бұрын

He's sitting next to a pervert I would be too

@Benjamin-om3ih

Ай бұрын

Yeah absolutely, he is overly emotional

Kiara is literally the liberal stereotype how is that undecided?

@TheSnatchbuckler

7 ай бұрын

Yeah her mind was already made up. She did switch to the middle on sex ed, but I think that was more performative

@lanam6459

7 ай бұрын

I’m pretty liberal but I was undecided. Being liberal doesn’t mean you automatically believe minors should be allowed to transition?

@cookiemaster4579

7 ай бұрын

@@lanam6459^

@ryanrogers8631

7 ай бұрын

@@lanam6459 where did you land on the topics then? because if you play the pronoun game then we can likely predict where you stand with a high probability of success.

@user-xt4ks1nu6h

7 ай бұрын

@@ryanrogers8631 99.9% probability

Gen was an excellent choice as moderator. So nice to have the conversation remain on topic and in control. A lot more information was shared in this format.

@GEN

7 ай бұрын

Thank you appreciate you watching!!

Arthur is so disrespectful, showing your annoyance is so immature. However the most annoying thing is that he treats any opinion as false thing is that he is passionate and does care about others as far as I can see in the video

@emg.9246

5 ай бұрын

Ita annoying asf when ppl try to pass off feelings as facts. Yes an opinion can be false. Facts are never false. And it’s a biological fact that even with medical transition it doesn’t change the s3x you were born as at birth🤷🏼‍♀️

@rabbithole245

5 ай бұрын

@@emg.9246 yes, thank you for pointing that out. now that we've covered something that everyone knows.... how do we ACTUALLY deal with the issue of gender dysphoria in an effective way? maybe with a method that has been shown to work through statistics and fact, such as letting people transition, since i have a feeling that just yelling "you can never change your biological sex at birth!" into their ears won't help all too much

@mirmir0003

4 ай бұрын

​@@emg.9246no trans person is denying their sex at birth. if anything theyre hyper aware of it. but with years of transition it'd be ridiculous to call them by their birth sex

@TK-pv4lh

4 ай бұрын

@@mirmir0003agreed. Conservatives talk as if they decide which pronounce to use based on individuals’ bone structure and chromosomes. Let’s show them pics of trans people (especially those who “pass” as cis.)

@musilily926

3 ай бұрын

find me a trans person with XY chromosomes then male pronouns might fit@@TK-pv4lh

PLEASE do more of these. I love them.

Unfortunately the problem with this is that the undecided group wasn't really undecided. It's not your fault though. Finding people that haven't thought at all about these widespread societal battleground issues would be really difficult.

@itsLantik

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I feel like they chose very passionate individuals for the undecided group, which is fine considering it's probably hard to get applicants or volunteers that aren't already well versed, but I feel like I expected them to just be average Joes, and I feel like that would make for a better environment. If we got average people to decide, they wouldn't have as many biases like the girl that had a trans friend.

@ali_1307

7 ай бұрын

i think they were undecided about whether minors can transition or no.

@2thezaza

7 ай бұрын

@@itsLantikthey could do a social media check on future undecided participants, if they look truly unrelated to the topic and has no takes they would be better.

@nala6846

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. I really liked the discussion this episode but the undecided group wasn't needed nor added much in my opinion. They just need to do middle ground with ACTUAL moderation like Gen did here.

@lilmissmonsterrr

7 ай бұрын

It's not very difficult to use a person who doesn't have a super close trans cousin to represent an undecided panel in a debate about trans/gender politics. It's really not.

Sara was definitely the best debater. She didn't get emotional or judgmental, she didn't bring religion into it, and even though she had plenty of personal experience, she relied on studies and data to support her points. She also didn't make any snide remarks or roll her eyes or make faces, which are annoying and distracting. And from what I've seen of her in previous debates, she seems to be extremely knowledgable and would be the person I trust the most. THANK YOU SARA (and thank you for your service)

@lilmissmonsterrr

7 ай бұрын

Sara rocks, always a class act.

@2002yannick1

7 ай бұрын

LOSER! tomato tomato tomato !

@grayfilms8751

7 ай бұрын

I think you should bring religion to this

@BoOhMy

7 ай бұрын

Why do you think religion shouldn’t be brought up in this? I’m geniunely curious as I can’t see that standpoint

@grayfilms8751

7 ай бұрын

yea idk, religion as a big take on this@@BoOhMy

I really enjoy having the undecided individuals and a moderator! I think it adds a lot to the discussion

@guest_4416

3 ай бұрын

I agree

Bro these liberals irk me. Listening to them talk is literal insanity. The conservatives are at least bringing up studies and surveys done from all over and these libbies are just talking about “I feel this, I feel that.” Bro wtf

@denzellmovies

Ай бұрын

I'd rather have trans people talking about their own experiences than bigots citing pseudo scientific studies

In what world is Kiara "Undecided"? She has strong personal opinions about the subject as she says her friend is Trans. Quit trolling

@whatisnext2955

7 ай бұрын

Damn lmao

@Kingofthenet2

7 ай бұрын

I agree, the only undecided one in my mind is the guy in the white

@jamesbrooks8255

7 ай бұрын

Well I’m assuming she was undecided on whether minors should transition rather than trans existence/treatment

@ThesaurusToblerone

7 ай бұрын

Probably just undecided on whether minors should medically transition. But who knows if they came up with the title after it was filmed?

@user-ig6wi1oo2g

7 ай бұрын

Yes however they did say that there something like part of the comments section sure they can have their own bias but they're not decided in one side entirely also they are technically undecided cause the decided team influences their opinion

You guys should add a fact checker to each episode that red, green or yellow flags any statements that are claimed to be 'citations'

@bingustime

7 ай бұрын

If I remember correctly the swedish studies the guy in glasses cited are the ones usually used by conservatives in a disingenuous manner. The studies did research on trans kids who experienced bullying due to transitioning. The study AIMED to show that social acceptance is a strong variable in the mental health of trans individuals. Though sadly, I don't imagine Jubilee could cover all this in a tiny box on the corner of the screen

@dagnurd

7 ай бұрын

No, it works better without editorialiizing, and the idea that a fact checker is actually neutral is just hilariously wrong.

@eluna34

7 ай бұрын

@@dagnurd and yet there are whole organizations that fact check quite well - no one is completely neutral but people can get pretty damn close.

@bpj1805

7 ай бұрын

@@eluna34 These whole "organizations" are partisan hacks. Their modus operandus is: presidential candidate Xclaims, "I walk my dog most days"; "fact-checking" organization F, that is hostile to X, responds, "X has never walked their dog on a Sunday. Verdict: mostly false".

@pandaakacheekclapper8069

7 ай бұрын

That would raise the question, who would be the arbiter of truth. Who would fact check the fact checker?

How is homosexuality an unhealthy behavior? 17:00

The fact that we are even having these conversations on a serious level is extremely disturbing .

@casusolivas

3 ай бұрын

its obvious what the end goal is this... if a kid can consent to a "sex change" then they would be able to consent to just sex... thats the end goal of these lunatics

Minors should be supervised. They're still quite young to be making such big decisions without being first consulted. They can't be rushing into things knowing that they will potentially regret it later.

@ZackieDookie

7 ай бұрын

🗣️🗣️

@inspiwo

7 ай бұрын

PREACH (im trans)

@gillianomotoso328

7 ай бұрын

Yes exactly.

@emmapalm3301

7 ай бұрын

🙌🏻

@GreatestYouTuberOfAllTime

7 ай бұрын

Oh hi barbie

Liberal, conservative, center, none- we can all agree the last Jubilee was an embarrassment and an example to how NOT to host a debate. THIS however, excellently done. GEN did a great job as a mediator and both sides had their time, excellent points and above all maturity

@cinnamondan4984

7 ай бұрын

What was the last one about?

@snakesghost7817

7 ай бұрын

@@cinnamondan4984 I think it was the one with Blair White and the other transgender people. Trans conservatives vs Trans liberals. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

@nbaviis

7 ай бұрын

@@snakesghost7817yep the trans liberals were literally the worst

@cinnamondan4984

7 ай бұрын

@@snakesghost7817 I saw clips. That was crazy. I see you like MGS from you name. Snatcher and Policenaughts are worth a look.

@snakesghost7817

7 ай бұрын

@@cinnamondan4984 Thanks, will check it out

Awesome video, best moderation I've seen come from Jubilee, and, despite a few hiccups, the video was fair to display everyone's belief and views. I think there could've been someone better to have then Kiara just because I see a lot of biases coming from her that made it seem like she knew what side she'll go to before the video started

Gen is the perefct moderator! truly unopinionated.

I like the concept of undecided, but the process of choosing who is undecided needs improvement. Kiara seemed to have a bias.

@Kingofthenet2

7 ай бұрын

Yep

@nevadag606

7 ай бұрын

We all have biases even if we don’t have a set opinion on certain things, it’s impossible to find a completely unbiased individual.

@BDC_BRZY

7 ай бұрын

Yeah. We might need lighter or less talked about topics for it to truly set itself apart from middle ground

@jesusbarrera6916

7 ай бұрын

@@nevadag606 it's posible to find someone without a trans relative....

you can be conservative or liberal, disagree or agree, but nothing absolves you from being respectful.

@Kingofthenet2

7 ай бұрын

So true

@_Cetarial

7 ай бұрын

Conservatives and liberals would physically attack eachother without a moderator. They simply cannot be in the same room together.

@duneeaaasha

7 ай бұрын

@@_CetarialIt depends on the person tbh, there are extremes on both sides and even then there are people cable of not getting too emotional about the issues.

@MarcoAce13

7 ай бұрын

Arthur apparently doesn’t know that

@corinneskitchen

7 ай бұрын

Yes but liberals think respect = compelled speech and conservatives think respect = free speech.

A little ironic how they claim they "recognize the humanity behind the pronoun" even though they disregard basic human anatomy.

@denzellmovies

3 ай бұрын

How do they disregard basic human anatomy? No one denies that trans people are born a certain way. We just don't think they should be forced to live in a body they don't feel like themselves in

@ryanthomas9306

3 ай бұрын

@@denzellmovieslook up “kindergarden coo boys have penises girls have vaginas”

I really love how they added a few undecided people & let them make their final decision after the debate!

Saying gender dysphoria is a mental disorder should not be considered bad, as it is not a judgment, it is merely stating a fact. It's the same as saying people with OCD or depression or anxiety have a mental disorder, there's nothing wrong with having these illnesses. Anyone who suffer from these mental illnesses deserve treatment and care and understanding.

@ali_1307

7 ай бұрын

i agree with u but like the 2 conservative guys just kept trying to act like trans people don’t exist in front of all these trans people and kept acting like as if they went through gender dysphoria and knew exactly what can cure it. their idea of a “mental disorder” is just them saying that a couple therapy sessions can heal it and all of trans ppl transitioned as a “trend” . i think that’s why the other side disagreed. but i mean sara was the only respectful one from the conservatives and idk why would they bring those totally transphobic guys into a discussion like that.

@janakugel3456

7 ай бұрын

@@ali_1307he’s is not transphobic - he knows transpeople physically exist. He doesn’t agree with your new definitions of things. Transpeople are humans, they exist. They believe to be in the wrong body. they exist. He disagrees with the treatment and the assumptions made based on those facts.

@janakugel3456

7 ай бұрын

He is not afraid ( phobic ) of transpeople. He doesn’t hate them, he thinks they are mistaken about the treatment options and their beliefs. The sentence “ he doesn’t believe they exist” is so weird

@ali_1307

7 ай бұрын

@@janakugel3456 idk if u exactly know what transphobia means , it’s not ‘afraid’ , it’s the hate and the unacceptance of transgenderism. and by the sentence “he thinks trans ppl don’t exist” i mean that he thinks that gender dysphoria and trans ppls’ journey is a delusion and that nothing like that rlly exists naturally, it’s just a trend. that’s what i mean.

@eulehund99

7 ай бұрын

​​@@ali_1307eh you can heavily depate what "transphobic" is. Does only hating on trans people mean you're transphobic? Or is having a different opinion about the gender social concept as a whole, while leaving trans people alone transphobic as well? I personally find it problematic if people consider the second option transphobic as well, as it hinders any development in those specific fields. Remember only because people criticized the idea of the existence of 2 genders did we get to today. That's why I think constructive criticism to anything is not wrong.

Although the "undecided group" was interesting to have, they were not "undecided", but rather already had a certain opinion on the topics. I think it would be better to have people within the "undecided group" that only evaluate what they've heard without regarding their own arguments and opinions.

@stinky9067

7 ай бұрын

That's very difficult to not consider your current views in this kind of discussion

@TyranBatten

7 ай бұрын

They just needed to do a better job at vetting for people who are actually pretty close to neutral in their opinions on the subject.

@lilmissmonsterrr

7 ай бұрын

Yes, if would've been much better if the undecided folks were actually undecided 🤪 The only one who felt truly undecided and neutral was the guy. He seemed like he was in a position of taking in both sides fairly and analyzing them with somewhat unbiased logic.

@lilmissmonsterrr

7 ай бұрын

​@@stinky9067it's not very difficult to choose a person who doesn't have a super close trans cousin to represent an undecided panel on trans/gender politics.

@stinky9067

7 ай бұрын

@@lilmissmonsterrr yes but that's not what they are saying, everyone has a bias to one side or the other.

There is a difference between socially and medically transitioning, just clearing some things up ☺

@ArthurCSchaper

19 күн бұрын

But both of them are a form of child abuse.

@InsaneCopePosse

16 күн бұрын

Both of them are wrong

I have some really taboo beliefs about the world. I also have a child. I've never considered forcing my opinion/beliefs onto my kid. I've talked about my views, but it's always been for the purpose of creating dialog and breeding question-asking. so, I don't know if the idea a child would be swayed by a parent's views is something that requires heavy consideration.

Kiara definitely was undecided on the trans issue 😂

Kiara being undecided is hilarious 😂

@Random-sk6hm

6 ай бұрын

Just like that other girl pretending she's undecided when she's clearly a conservative

@chillwill12

6 ай бұрын

@@Random-sk6hmthe girl-guy?

@oscarcervantes6403

6 ай бұрын

She’s undecided, but midway through is playing advocate for someone she knows? Like come on, stand for your values.

@Random-sk6hm

6 ай бұрын

@@chillwill12 ???

Tammys kids need to be saved

Yaaaas Sara! Preach!

Evelyn’s so mature and eloquent for her age! I was shocked was 17!

@captainsmoka9864

7 ай бұрын

She is like above and beyond smart.

@lesliei

6 ай бұрын

Like most 17 year olds

@guotyr2502

6 ай бұрын

Wouldn't go there

@jammydoughnuts

5 ай бұрын

She seems autistic to me, I’m wondering if anyone else was picking up on that?

@zoeybarter3246

5 ай бұрын

She just speaks well, she clearly doesn’t actually understand the issue & this “debate” certainly did her no favours in that regard.

Jubilee should permanently hire Gen for hosting, he did an awesome job.

This is a really smart way to have a healthy logical debate regardless of the outcome great video 👍

Best Jubilee host BY FAR!!! Amazing job!

I’m so glad they had Gen as the host, he deserves it so much!

@theguntersadopt3268

7 ай бұрын

He did amazing. He remained unbias

@Kingofthenet2

7 ай бұрын

He was amazing

@GEN

7 ай бұрын

Appreciate it! Thanks for watching

@noamyosha6856

7 ай бұрын

@@GEN big fan bro

@NoopyP

7 ай бұрын

yes it was such a great surprise

Calling it a mental illness isn't a bad thing. I'm mentally ill due to my anxiety and I'm okay with being called mentally ill. Being mentally ill isn't a bad thing when you get help. It does wonders and I wish I didn't wait until my 20s to get help when I suffered for 2 years prior. There's a lot things that people don't know that anixety can do to you. Its not just an anxious or scared disorder. It made me see and feel things that wasn't there. I don't know why saying you are mentally ill is a bad thing.

@andra_red

7 ай бұрын

This. So many want to break the stigma of mental illnesses and show that it is okay. However, at the same time those people don’t want to have a mental illness label in their records.

@azekko

7 ай бұрын

Gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness though

@melitajay

7 ай бұрын

I think in this context it's important because the question is should people get physical solutions to mental illness.

@AnnaMarieCameron

7 ай бұрын

@@melitajay it should always start with mental solutions first. Its a mental disorder and then go from there. There's a bad stigma around mental health in general. It needs to change.

Evelyne is well spoken , she is outstanding.

Can we stop with "conservative" and "liberal" no one knows what this is anymore unless your an extremist. Most people are for or against based on the topic. And please stop letting people that are going to use their religion as their driving force!

Evelyn is so bright & outstanding. Very impressed by her especially with the fact that she’s only 17.

@dants2444

6 ай бұрын

She so pretty

@BobRoss-vz4it

6 ай бұрын

I hope collage doesn’t brainwash her

@Random-sk6hm

6 ай бұрын

@@BobRoss-vz4it Maybe you need to attend college if you can't even spell it correctly

@leanzagilbert6933

6 ай бұрын

@@Random-sk6hm we got a grammar national socialist here 😂

@Random-sk6hm

6 ай бұрын

@@leanzagilbert6933 I'm not American but I appreciate you trying 😂

Minors are still growing and developing every day. Im pretty independent about my beliefs and ideologies, but i think its dangerous to let children to transition at such a young age because that could mess with their anatomy in their early adult life. If a minor feels more like this or that, then they can feel that way, but i dont think they should get any procedures or surgeries done until they become more mature or an adequate adult age (18+)

@ysq724y

7 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@nualawillman8735

7 ай бұрын

They don’t though, minors transitioning is limited to name, pronouns and dress, and well as possibly puberty blockers with the supervision of a doctor. On rare occasions you might get a breast reduction but cisgender girls may also do that if advised by a doctor.

@uslph.

7 ай бұрын

Puberty messes with their early adult life more, you should know that. You don't really care about the children at all.

@goofyahhhhhhh6131

7 ай бұрын

@@uslph. their body was designed for puberty.

@blankifyme

7 ай бұрын

​@nualawillman8735 nope. Surgeries in minors are happening more often nowadays. Look up Jazz Jennings' whose MtF genital transition at age 17 is posted here on YT. Anyway, even in the general population, we are becoming more superficial than ever before. For example, all the young people getting BBL (Brazilian butt lift) even though it has led to complications for many, and even death for some.

Kiara was hardly 'undecided', and the host obviously has his bias which makes the whole debate kind of 'eh', in addition the bald guy from the conservatives was just rude and did his side a disservice. None of the panel on the liberal side of things were particularly convincing and a majority of it is personal anecdotes and the only one on the conservative side of the panel that actually had any substance was the lady, all in all this was a disappointing panel where emotions were too charged for a proper actual debate. Liberals and conservatives of all persuasions, STOP INTERRUPTING EACH OTHER!

Im surprised that hormonally altering minors was even up for debate.

@denzellmovies

Ай бұрын

That is literally what puberty is

@mrnorthz9373

Ай бұрын

​@@denzellmovieswhat???? Puberty is natural part of human life??? Are you saying mutilating body parts and ingesting artificial hormones is natural??

@denzellmovies

Ай бұрын

@@mrnorthz9373 that is clearly not what I said, genius. Now explain to me why this necessarily HAS to be a natural process. Basically no healthcare measure we have is natural, but now suddenly hormone replacement therapy is bad because it is not natural?

@coolgadgetproduction

Ай бұрын

@@denzellmovies which is a naturally occurring process. Im not against hormone therapy but i just draw the line with minors.

@denzellmovies

Ай бұрын

@@coolgadgetproduction why? How can you be against voluntary hormone therapy while you are perfectly fine with involuntary puberty?

In my i think if jubilee is going to do a panel around transitioning it should be a panel of doctors and experts that have studied and a scientific understanding about gender dysphorai such as neuroscientists, neuropsychologist, psychiatrist, primary care doctor, and so forth

@Angelica-cc2gc

7 ай бұрын

I would watch that in a heartbeat is that would be such a different perspective than what they usually do on this channel.

@BeyondmyselfIsrael

7 ай бұрын

The doctors are gonna say the same thing the liberals say. The doctors that don’t agree with this will not speak out in fear of losing their license. I want you to remember that doctors cannot work with organic medicine they will get banned if they do. Take that into perspective.

@empressofawesome7099

7 ай бұрын

I think that would be amazing - I wonder what it would be like to have those sorts of experts that you described but on both sides!!!

@Kingofthenet2

7 ай бұрын

I agree. If they make any more videos in this topic it must feature medics and scientific studies

@maddyheinberg5506

7 ай бұрын

Literally. These people don’t know the difference between sex and gender lmao. It wouldn’t be much of a debate bc most people who are highly educated are liberal so

The last trans discussion was a hot mess. Jubilee did not fail to disappoint with this new format of middle ground. The moderator was amazing, unbiased, and I like how he challenged both sides to expand on their points and fill the holes in their reasoning.

@0v3rgr0wn

6 ай бұрын

“did not fail to disappoint” doesn’t make sense with the rest of your comment. Think about it

@Random-sk6hm

6 ай бұрын

@@0v3rgr0wn I think they meant to say ''did not disappoint'' lol

@neofaktion

3 ай бұрын

Lol "did not fail to disappoint"

@realskydiver777

3 ай бұрын

erm ackshually@@0v3rgr0wn

@MrMelonsz

3 ай бұрын

Jubilee never fails to disappoint! :D

I love Jubilee for topics like this and I believe that a teenager should go through a thoroughly process before they transition but to each his own.

@historyrepeated4239

6 ай бұрын

Jubilee, at least, opens the door to conversation vs. just arguing or demonizing the other side. A few questions for you. If you had a teenage friend who wanted to transition, you supported them, and they came to regret it, terribly, many years later, what would you say to them? Should they have waited until adulthood when their brain was more fully developed and the stresses of adolescence were reduced? Do you really support someone into believing they can change into something that they will never truly be? Put another way, what if your friend wanted to transition into an animal? Or a male and female with both genitalia? Where do you draw the line and finally say that you are simply your biological sex and you can be as feminine or masculine as you want to be? Why can’t support be in NOT changing into something you are not? The regret of those who transitioned is a huge crash back to reality because these tormented souls realize that transitioning will never alter their DNA. Yet, we keep propagating the lie like these people can truly be changed. We seem to care way more about being viewed as empathetic than doing what is actually best for the patient long term….years down the road.

bro will misgender dylan but respect twitter’s chosen name lmao

@johannkarsten

4 ай бұрын

Twitter isn’t a person.

@lavender-rex

4 ай бұрын

@@johannkarsten exactly, he cares more about using the correct name for a souless company then giving a person basic respect

@FRZGaming9

Ай бұрын

@@lavender-rex i think twitter deserves more respect than as washed up nicely begging for attention on the internet 😹

@lavender-rex

Ай бұрын

@@FRZGaming9 bro literally just said they care more about a piece of code the an actually person 💀💀 imagine not showing basic human respect

Adrien really tried comparing sex change to a haircut 😂😂😂

@yourlocallesbian6448

7 ай бұрын

what even is this world????

@anastasia-fr1gn

7 ай бұрын

And that woman tried to compare it to working at McDonalds lol

@guotyr2502

6 ай бұрын

Most likely to her it's just as mondain, seeing as she somehow got all her kids suicidal and transitioned

@markerzuahsiam335

6 ай бұрын

​@@guotyr2502that woman is a bad mom. I'm truly sad for those poor kids.

@greysonfrost9262

6 ай бұрын

​@markerzuahsiam335 exactly because statistically it's impossible to have 2 kids be trans for more then roughly 5 parents total in the world and there are hundreds of parents with multiple *trans* kids

40:37 Evelyne speaking facts about the Western mindset and I love her for that!!! She and Sara were my favorites in this video!

@ShesEvelyneGoldsmythe

7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for saying that! That's something I think we in the west really need to be more aware of, that the world is so much bigger than just us and our culture. There's space for all of us in this era of globalisation, we just need to be more willing to hear and make space for those who differ from us. All cultures are beautiful!

@jesss101

7 ай бұрын

as a child of immigrants, i highly disagree. if someone wants to move to a country, they should be prepared to integrate with the values of that country. if they want to keep all their traditional mindsets, why move? why bring their children to a new country and then demonize the values of that country? assimilation is highly important to immigrants and children of immigrants. and i'm not saying that in relation to the trans issue. but any american values.

@achillessong

7 ай бұрын

​@@ShesEvelyneGoldsmytheI'm glad you called that out. Most of the world is actually conservative and the parents usually have control. Especially in the East. That mother was way off on this topic.

@Shinesart

7 ай бұрын

​@@jesss101The thing is, they might not want to move but have to. For example, what if the country they're living is in civil war where normal livelihood are not possible. I don't know the reason your parents moved but many families in my country tried to move overseas because it is near impossible to make living especially in areas of conflicts. They will have to accept the law and regulations of the country they moved but might still want to keep their culture and beliefs at least in their own family.

One thing people need to bring up in these conversations more. Whenever someone mentions their own transition and that it was very long with lots of hurdles... ASK THEM what year they started their transition. The affirmation model only started in 2012 and only started becoming streamlined as it is now across the US back around 2018-2019

Yes and no to the first prompt yes it is trending but it's not in the way you think it's in such a way that people are able to comfortably express themselves and learn who they are and who they want to be. Before this was commonly unacceptable to even think about wanting to explore now it is. That's all it is. There will be plenty that explore that then back out and that's okay but that doesn't invalidate the people that explored and found their true self.

i wish you guys would do a "fact check" with each statement

@Kingofthenet2

7 ай бұрын

Yea

@merchant_of_kek5697

7 ай бұрын

It can get a little iffy doing that. Probably best to allow the speakers to provide them with sources which then they list or edit into the video.

@DD-rh2sz

7 ай бұрын

Facts can still be interpreted in different ways. Jubilee doesn't want to take one side and say one side is factual and one isn't. Theres often nuance in the middle.For example, if black men are arrested at a higher rate than white men that could be 100% fact, but does that mean it is 100% fact the reason is racism, no. If that were true then you could relate the fact that men are arrested at a higher rate than women, but that would mean the only reason could be that police are also sexist.

@BNezzy

7 ай бұрын

the lefts entire argument would be destroyed if that was the case.

@smilejesuslovesyou8108

7 ай бұрын

It wouldn’t matter who are the fact checkers?

Kiara was never undecided Evelyne was truly undecided Christian was truly undecided Edit: Everyone trying to assume my bias/opinion from just this comment shows that discourse in this country is fu**ed. I made a comment and it was mostly accurate, it was so Jubilee maybe becomes aware to pick truly nuanced people.

@RS-xb9lo

7 ай бұрын

Kind of funny that the only people you thought were unbiased were the exact two people who had picked the conservative side in the end. Sounds like you were never undecided yourself.

@JesusisKing77_7

7 ай бұрын

@@RS-xb9loExcept that they were only conservative on the whole basis of transitioning minors. They never discussed other views which they can identity more liberal with. Also, Kiara was clearly heavily staying on the liberal spectrum of each questions while the other two switched sides every question. I don’t see how you can’t perceive that. Way to show your bias, congratulations.

@RS-xb9lo

7 ай бұрын

@@JesusisKing77_7 There's a difference between completely undecided and already having a bit of an idea on their thoughts on the matter. If you're looking for a show which throws in people who don't even understand the situation, then this is not it, and you won't find it, either. I already knew who out of the undecided would be on which side in the end based on the very first discussion, it wasn't that hard to see that they already had an ounce of a viewpoint on this matter. This original comment just shows their own bias, because Kiara did in fact move to the conservative side for one of the discussions, maybe if you paid attention you would've realized that she moved around across the spectrum just like the other two. Every single undecided already had biases, you can't get rid of that when going into any discussion on anything.

@JesusisKing77_7

7 ай бұрын

@@RS-xb9lo key word: “heavily.” Please be better at making distinctions instead of stating that I didn’t pay attention.

@SherbertLomon

7 ай бұрын

@@JesusisKing77_7exactly. And it wasn’t only evident in the switching of sides but their actual positions/points. They provided balanced viewpoints that neither the conservatives nor the liberals had mentioned. That shows they were true free thinkers.

They should do more of this

Arthur is such a hypocrite. He claims his views come from an ethical standpoint.. but then demonstrates that actually he has a complete lack of empathy. After Tammy tells her story about both her children, he totally ignores it and starts digging into the semantics, he doesn't even look at her. Watch how he corrects Kiara twice - he's getting a little kick out of making her amend her language. Is this not the exact behaviour he claims to condemn?

@canhkhoahoang7395

3 ай бұрын

at least for every argument that he makes, he states it with a fact or a real-life story unlike the liberal side which just full of opinions but barely any facts or examples stated

@nannerz1994

2 ай бұрын

Both him and Sarah jumped to the assumption that the government or Medicaid would be paying for someone's transition

@tkyk4893

2 ай бұрын

Showing empathy =/= to being ethical, and vise versa. You can empathize with the worst kinda of person, and you can emphathize with one person and not another.

@Lord_Cow

Ай бұрын

Idk seemed to me that he was more interested in stating hard truths rather than any emotionally charged argument

Gen was an exceptional moderator, Evelyne asked such great questions and was so mature, and it was so great to see Sarah brought back! Great debate.

@Random-sk6hm

6 ай бұрын

Agreed, as a liberal, Sarah was the only conservative I enjoyed because she was well-spoken and wasn't rude. She heard what everyone had to say and didn't make discourteous facial expressions or interrupt when others were talking.

@zoeybarter3246

5 ай бұрын

Transphobic nonsense for an audience of cis people who don’t know any better. The moderator very clearly had transphobic views of his own. Please educate yourself.

@ahaaha8109

5 ай бұрын

@@zoeybarter3246 What are you even talking about? What transphobic views did either portray? Don't use words like that so loosely before it loses its meaning

@radiofloyd2359

5 ай бұрын

​@@ahaaha8109the questions were framed in a way that pretty explicitly suggests transphobic conclusions over trans affirming ones.

@heretichazel

4 ай бұрын

@@ahaaha8109 one of the conservatives literally insisted on misgendering the liberal trans woman

I think every normal person should understand that kids can't make such drastic choices at a young age.

@GreatestYouTuberOfAllTime

7 ай бұрын

Sich? Wtf is sich? You are sich a clown. There is no sich thing as sich. It's such. Guys we got clown over here.

@ethandollarhide7943

7 ай бұрын

Does that include being too young to know that they're Heterosexual or Christian?

@amischneider6395

7 ай бұрын

They can know it but the shouldn't be able to sign for example a contract that they will be and live that way for the rest of their lifes

@ethandollarhide7943

7 ай бұрын

@@amischneider6395 If y'all actually cared about it that much than you would be out there trying to get ALL surgeries banned for minors.

@blitzbc5689

7 ай бұрын

@@ethandollarhide7943 The difference is that you can one day decide that you no longer want to be Christian. You can do it instantly actually. You can also decide your sexuality whenever you want. But you cannot change your hormones and build back years of physical development whenever you want, that takes a very long time to change if it is even possible. Not mad at you btw, but your argument does not hold up.

lets not push abrahamic values into anyone!!! keep all religions!! at homes and out of government, in schools for historical academical value