Unreleased prompt only on Patreon: bit.ly/3GrETBy “Pride should be taught in classrooms”

@OpCzar

6 ай бұрын

Considering that the topic potentially deals with legislation and therefore could be tipping factor for both liberal and conservative sides, it's a pity that this was the one chosen to be paywalled.

@WhyWorldWet

6 ай бұрын

Why is there always one loud outspoken Asshat or Biotch in these things lol. They should get red carded for being too aggressive and outspoken, and ruining the session. It’s low key bullying too.

@ChristieinFlorida

6 ай бұрын

NO, pride should not be taught in classrooms. This should be up to the parents to teach them if they want. Children should only be worrying what toy they will play with next. You give these people an inch and they will take 10 miles.

@aloe704

6 ай бұрын

Why are you doing this?

@goodoldfashionedangel

6 ай бұрын

Yes, it should be taught. So should poc history.

Attention Jubilee: Please work on including a professional moderator in these discussions. I’m tired of individuals dominating the debate and constant interruptions.

@Indomita506

6 ай бұрын

It's not her fault some of them are weak spoken

@andria8279

6 ай бұрын

@@Indomita506no it’s just about respect

@lilyoh5780

6 ай бұрын

yes!

@velocirizzo1850

6 ай бұрын

​@@Indomita506dumbest response

@Indomita506

6 ай бұрын

@@velocirizzo1850 You can hate her all you want but at least she doesn't play victim card every 5 seconds as argument.

Defining women as the "non-men" is the most misogynistic definition of a woman. Beauvoir already said it.

@michaeljmyers1995

6 ай бұрын

correct me if im wrong: Its sexist because it takes their humanity away and individuality

@viciouzvalentine4993

6 ай бұрын

its misandry too... want to step into masculine presentation, but hate men so much .... just smh....

@rachelrobertson6570

6 ай бұрын

Exactly why is lesbianism now centred around men?

@mel54556

6 ай бұрын

It also contradicts the entire point of lesbianism and makes 0 sense.

@erenjaeger1738

6 ай бұрын

​@viciouzvalentine4993 These women are misogyny to themselves, and the same people complain about patriarchy but practice patriarchy themselves. They don't see the irony and see men always stay winning in sports and politics. These women have failed.

The way they call lesbians "non-men" infuriates me so much.

@omarsinno2774

2 ай бұрын

They are not, they are calling people who are not men, non-men

@ncrest4365

2 ай бұрын

@@omarsinno2774 then create a term for it. A triangular is non-square, a circle is non-square, a trapezoid is non-square, you get what I mean?

@omarsinno2774

2 ай бұрын

@@ncrest4365 I get what you mean, but is it necessary? Take fruits for example, fruits that are not carrots are non-carrots, you cant really come up with a term for all the fruits that are not carrots. Ridiculous example I know but its the first thing that came to mind haha

@ncrest4365

2 ай бұрын

@@omarsinno2774 Yes, it is necessary, because non-men is such a vague and broad term, it literally doesn't mean anything, and won't be taken seriously by anyone, much less trying to replace the word 'lesbian' with it. These extremist liberals gone overboard.

@b1ak3

2 ай бұрын

You are clearly confused. In no way are they replacing the word lesbian with non men, they're referring to people who are NOT MEN as NON-MEN 😭 That's it.@@ncrest4365

Funny how the ones who talked less (from both sides) are the ones who convinced me more

Reducing women to “non-men” is so insane and offensive to me as a woman.

@misspiscesdreamz

6 ай бұрын

💯 it's sickening

@Johan-di6md

5 ай бұрын

Snowflake lmao.

@xinweili8537

5 ай бұрын

Like “men” is their benchmark and everything else is defined around that? Patriarchy really stinks here

@evilpuck6100

5 ай бұрын

Yep

@chilltarts

5 ай бұрын

@@Johan-di6md way to be a misogynist! 👏🏽 please, tell me more 🤔

How can you possibly be a lesbian if you don’t even classify yourself as a woman???!!!

@mattiestewart8371

6 ай бұрын

THIS!

@Uncannyreindeer

6 ай бұрын

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 wholeheartedly agree as a lesbian

@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer

6 ай бұрын

Because it gives them more oppression points from wokies

@chung-jenweng6454

6 ай бұрын

😂by changing the definition of lesbian as well. Duh

@shenanigans-jn9kr

6 ай бұрын

Because they’re so “open minded” that their brains are falling out

I never believed i would be watching a debate between "conservative" lesbians and "liberal" lesbians and one of the participants would be Arielle Scarcella

I loved listening to Julia. She was very respectful. I wish Jubilee had a moderator for all the interrupting.

@zineb3351

Ай бұрын

Julia is classy unlike some of the lesbians in the video

@jasmineprophete540

Ай бұрын

Agreed

@kashdark4586

Ай бұрын

Julia is not even a lesbian, she recently came out as straight and her fans hate her bc she was just pretending and monetizing being a lesbian, so… she is not respectful

Two things that would improve this show substantially: 1. Include a moderator who prevents speakers from repeatedly interrupting others. 2. Provide “fact check” notes that appear onscreen so we can see what the speakers are referencing. I double Jubilee will do either, because they are driven by profit rather than a real desire to promote informative conversation.

@showbizpizzafan66

6 ай бұрын

Fact checks would be amazing

@all_corrupt_everything

6 ай бұрын

I would love it if they also kept the conversation more related to the prompt. Way too many tangents

@kylieb5213

6 ай бұрын

They would have to actually produce facts, which is a problem rn

@Random-sk6hm

6 ай бұрын

Actually they used to do both of these on older videos. They need to bring them back.

@missknight9

6 ай бұрын

@@Random-sk6hmI agree. I think they wanted to keep it more organic, but it often just continues to devolve into chaos

Y'all really need to do one with a group of americans and a group of non americans to confront them with reality outside of their country. It's sooooo necessary!

@embracelifewithemily

6 ай бұрын

Yes

@michaelturley3457

6 ай бұрын

Just curious, what do you think would come from it? In other words what do you think Americans need to be aware of from the outside perspective? I agree but in curious your perspective.

@joannas8359

6 ай бұрын

YES

@VoiceDivine

6 ай бұрын

Why? We’re allowed to discuss and fix the problems in our nation with outside affairs going on.

@rshinsii

6 ай бұрын

you’d be shocked that we’ve got our OWN damn issues. bad.

I think LGB is very different than TQIA+. Lesbians, gay, and bisexual was about who you love and want to have sex with because that deviates from heterosexuality. The TQIA+ is about IDENTITY and who you ARE as a person. Neither is better or worse. But they are DIFFERENT

@antsatianaravelonjatovo860

2 ай бұрын

I totally agree with you lol. Im a bisexuel and im tired of inclu. We need to gatekeep its like essential there is a reason why the community was made in the first place.

@mariafausti3128

2 ай бұрын

@@antsatianaravelonjatovo860i can see where you’re coming from, but the community wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for the efforts of the community as a whole, especially trans people

@h.m.bergman5185

2 ай бұрын

even lesbians and gay men don't have much in common anymore, in my experience alot of lesbians are really homophobic towards gay men

@psycherevivedby

2 ай бұрын

@@mariafausti3128The efforts of trans people have been massively dramatised. The people who did most of the work are gay, lesbians and bisexuals.

@sealin01

2 ай бұрын

lgb is how you identify too??

How can you be a none-binary lesbian...? The word lesbian literally means to be female and to love and / or be sexually attracted to other females without attraction to males

@Hellokitty_391

16 күн бұрын

Fr i think the better term would be neptunic(?)

@RashmiiSiingh

15 күн бұрын

They change the definitions every week or so. I am just gonna stick with the real one.

Ngl, I’m absolutely infuriated by the “liberal” lesbians continually referring to women as “non-men.” Respectfully, my existence as a woman is not relative to men, in the same way that men’s existence is not relative to ours as women. I am a woman because I share specific biological, physiological, and social traits with a large group of people, who are all also women. These similarities would still exist even if men had never existed. Extremely misogynistic take on all these women’s part IMO. Shame on you.

@ba3725

6 ай бұрын

Liberals started to plunge downhill when people started to not know how to define "woman" tbh, but it was already falling down quickly.

@daisy1686

6 ай бұрын

That is disgusting.

@sarsoura8289

6 ай бұрын

@@daisy1686 What is, dear?

@jesusmywholehaschanged

6 ай бұрын

They're so progressive that they have regressed on so many issues.

@RichardsGaySon

6 ай бұрын

Isn’t it misogynistic to suggest that men can “identify” as women

I strongly reject the misogynistic implication that as a woman with PCOS I'm somehow intersex or less womanly. You literally can only have PCOS if you're a woman. Having higher T levels than other women doesn't change my sex, it doesn't make me intersex, and it doesn't make me less of a woman.

@amde8554

6 ай бұрын

It’s really bizarre that they’re making that comparison

@birthemuller7310

6 ай бұрын

@@amde8554 they're using every argument they can, no matter how phony or offensive

@ba3725

6 ай бұрын

If you're an adult female, you're a woman, no insane group of people can ever make you less than when they're trying to mimic you. ❤

@Random-sk6hm

6 ай бұрын

Wait I think you misunderstood that point. She wasn't saying that women with PCOS are intersex or less womanly etc. She was just pointing out that some women require hormones (for medical reasons etc.) and no one ever considers them to NOT be women. She was saying the exact opposite, she was saying you ARE a woman and that no one would ever invalidate you for that. I think it might have gotten confused cos she was listing multiple separate cases.

@birthemuller7310

6 ай бұрын

@@Random-sk6hm I'm not a woman because I take estrogen, I'm a woman because I'm female.

This was exhausting. What a draining way to experience life.

@chouaibsasmr

3 ай бұрын

Lmao I agree 😂😂😂

@pencil6965

3 ай бұрын

Lol yes. Sometimes I just watch these videos to remind myself of how much I appreciate simplicity in life

I still dont get how someone can be lesbian but not a woman?

@noorlita

2 ай бұрын

cognitive dissonance is a ho

@Al-jv7bv

Ай бұрын

if somebody identifies as a lesbian or likes the term, let them, who cares

@natedog2014

Ай бұрын

@@Al-jv7bv usually I agree but lesbian is a specific term to represent a minority that deserves representation. By saying one can be this without actually identifying what it is you actually hurt those that do identify with it.

@hydelefant

Ай бұрын

Because for most likely a majority of people their sexuality has a lot to do with genital preference, I think it's an okay id in situations where the non-binary person is assigned female at birth and has not had bottom surgery (they still have female reproductive organs). Maybe they identified as lesbian before realizing their gender identity, and since people tend to stick to familiarity they might still want to id as lesbian. Especially if they use all pronouns or a she/they combination. But that's just how I view it, people have differing opinions.

@theacroway2056

Ай бұрын

@@hydelefantwhat about post op AMAB non binary lesbians you know there’s like 20 of them in the jtoh community

THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE MEDIATION OVER PEOPLE CONSTANTLY INTERRUPTING OTHERS…. So annoying…

@krieger1969

6 ай бұрын

Yeah I want to see an actual debate without personal feelings involved. And the passive aggression makes this so much harder to watch

@TeenageDirtbag8

6 ай бұрын

Yes thank you

@FabulousIcky

6 ай бұрын

I don't understand why Jubilee keeps inviting back Arielle. They KNOW how she behaves and what she does to the debate. It's definitely intentional at this point, and I want to understand why.

@07sammm

6 ай бұрын

So true

@MrsMockerman1011

6 ай бұрын

EXACTLY makes it impossible to watch

It would be interesting to see a conversation between lesbians and gay men.

@waratah234

6 ай бұрын

would love to see a dialogue between lesbian men and gay women

@felibarrabino7556

6 ай бұрын

@@waratah234?

@mage758

6 ай бұрын

wtf is that@@waratah234

@Venomenal91

6 ай бұрын

@@felibarrabino7556 exactly how I’m feeling 😂

@RJonSaturn

6 ай бұрын

what would they talk about? they’re complete opposites when it comes to sexuality, lol

"They'd never take away gay marriage, that's not happening" ......do we not remember Roe v. Wade being overturned????

@chri5ette2.0

2 ай бұрын

okay but let’s think realistically. they’re not going to make gay marriage illegal, it’s simply not going to happen. sure there’s ppl who want it to be illegal but it’s not gonna happen.

@user-dn6fw1ss1c

15 сағат бұрын

Does that have impact on gay marriage? Genuine question, I'm curious

Arielle just stood up at the Trans Woman question to not let them speak alone

@yolandaponkers1581

26 күн бұрын

Arielle didn’t stand up to or for anyone. She just kept interrupting with ad hominem attacks.

@user-dn6fw1ss1c

15 сағат бұрын

@@yolandaponkers1581she didn't come for their character or appearance, she just didn't agree. It's ok to speak freely if you're asked to come on a debate panel. Group think doesn't allow us to challenge our views or grow, and I think she's trying to contribute honest perspectives from the lesbian community. She's very passionate and very NYC so I think that may come off as rude when that may not be her intention.

Amber talking about "privilege" when her father is a literal millionaire LOL

@eat.food.not.friends

6 ай бұрын

But she doesn't have "white privilege"! In my case "white privilege" means that I grow up with an alcoholic father, and literally no money, in a very small flat. But somehow I have more privilege than her because she's black!?

@edricducusin8993

6 ай бұрын

Damn

@jordanweber3381

6 ай бұрын

You're allowed to have privilege and also acknowledge privilege. We also don't know what was edited out.

@mcwompwomp

6 ай бұрын

@@jordanweber3381mental gymnastics

@Yungkingstonn

6 ай бұрын

@@jordanweber3381 She didn't acknowledge her own privilege, she played victim and acted like everyone else in the room had more privilege than her. She's out of touch.

Calling women "non-men" is so offensive

@evepoole3966

6 ай бұрын

No it's not

@ahogesupremacy

6 ай бұрын

but they're not men. is the english not clicking for you?

@xanander4693

6 ай бұрын

@@evepoole3966💀

@kenburns4017

6 ай бұрын

so you’re saying women are men ?

@chatminou4058

6 ай бұрын

exactly. Im a woman. We don't call men non-women for the same reason unless were all just non-men and non-women. @@ahogesupremacy

I think Arielle is the only person there who could walk forward in agreement and still turn the conversation into an argument

@yolandaponkers1581

26 күн бұрын

Definitely. Such a combative and unproductive member of the discussion.

@ramonamorris

22 күн бұрын

she’s exactly what this episode needed. nobody is safe to speak anymore nonsense when she is around 😂 period love to see it

@kstar1489

2 күн бұрын

@@ramonamorrisshe’s just a hateful person. Just because you can be hateful doesn’t mean you should be.

Amber comes across as a privileged professional victim

@arwroaming7477

Ай бұрын

100%. Poor me poor me so annoying

@jasmineprophete540

Ай бұрын

Amber obviously is more aware and works on a board of seeing what we go through legally and it’s a lot to experience. I’m not surprised she feels so much emotional turmoil because she’s in it so deeply

@Biggie123Fol

Ай бұрын

@@jasmineprophete540 Spoken like a true professional victim!

@p4nd4b01

Ай бұрын

Do you label everyone with whom you disagree as "victim"?

@teenasty369

Ай бұрын

It was difficult to watch.

Y’all need to have people reminded to not interrupt eachother

@willow1698

3 ай бұрын

Interruptions are part of conversation. Tbh I don't mind it as long as people are able to fight for themselves in the conversation if they want their point heard. Maybe it's based on how each individual grows up.

@ContrarianConcervativePNW

2 ай бұрын

My problem is how much they cut to favor their own views. I want middle ground and if it needs to be longer or split in 2 parts to get it, so be it. You will never really get a middle ground with this lazy cut method.

@SamanthaDean1

Ай бұрын

It’s a debate, they are supposed to do that to each other

@moodymanda6225

Ай бұрын

That’s what a debate/ heated topic conversation usually is Grow up

@sandmonke21

Ай бұрын

u need to be reminded to lose weight on the daily ngl

So if lesbian is non men loving non men… what is women loving women? Not all women want to be reduced to being “non men”

@chung-jenweng6454

6 ай бұрын

😂eventually you guys would embrace the progress like wearing pants - their logic

@yolandaponkers1581

6 ай бұрын

But no one is reducing you to any label you don’t feel comfortable with. The whole point of progress and change and expansion is to include others, not force anything on you. It’s not about you.

@ChurrosAreSexy

6 ай бұрын

Including others does not mean you’re being excluded

@anthonymc8361

6 ай бұрын

@@yolandaponkers1581 "it's not about you". Do you realize how ironic that sentence is?

@galikafry8494

6 ай бұрын

Why does it heppen? Why is the gay community so busy fighting bigotry when it barely exist anymore in America? Being privileged isnt a curse

That’s so crazy that the Latina lady doesn’t realize that a feminine a Latina woman experiences a different life than a black masculine female. Me a bisexual feminine presenting woman has entire different experiences than my masculine lesbian friend

@ashleynicholson8019

Ай бұрын

She came with a different agenda, she clearly has several bias that weren’t touched in this debate.

@anon2427

Ай бұрын

Lord have mercy

@reeeeeeeeee4364

Ай бұрын

wtf

@GromDarkwater

28 күн бұрын

When you insert race in a topic where it doesnt belong you have lost the argument and all credibility.

@YL6374.

26 күн бұрын

@@GromDarkwaterexactly

"Give me specifics." "That's privilege."

i miss the days in which participants hugged each other cause they actually found middle ground. these days it’s just a debate :(

@tessaelto1472

6 ай бұрын

fr it's honestly just almost aggressive from the beginning when they should be coming in open to a *middle ground*

@tanishapark6314

6 ай бұрын

Yes but for me a very thought provoking debate

@imabitch222

6 ай бұрын

That's the whole point dummy, if everyone came to hug each other...we would def know who the lesbians are

@WhyWorldWet

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. One Asshat always ruins it for the rest. They should get red carded and booted off after two or three warnings. Everyone looked upset and sad, that she just ruined the whole episode. It would have flowed so much better if they would have removed that one girl.

@annafrancescachereches754

6 ай бұрын

sadly the episodes with the screaming matches get the most views more likely.... I wish they would cut out the bits where people interrupt eachother, like thats not what I'm here for...

I would love to see a middle ground with these younger lesbian women and older lesbian women. I would love to see what the older women think of where the community is now.

@sulbamt7622

5 ай бұрын

SAME

@thetillerwiller4696

5 ай бұрын

OMG YES!!!

@theresas740

5 ай бұрын

We cannot believe this horseshit.

@crewxp

5 ай бұрын

I don't think that would be as interesting as youd think lol. The older generation would probably School the younger

@steph367

5 ай бұрын

@@crewxpwhich is why it would be interesting to

What really gets me is the conservatives saying that just because laws are put in place doesn't mean people have to follow them, and then they don't understand that laws don't really provide equal rights to gay people. Also saying straight couples also have issues with adopting but not acknowledging that it's not because of their sexuality is so ignorant. In Sasha's own words, "Make it make sense."

@BizQAC

19 күн бұрын

File a complaint if someone’s not following the law. Sue. Just because a gay person gets denied adoption doesn’t mean it’s BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY!!! If it were they can sue but they don’t, why? Probably because they don’t qualify. Maybe they have a arrest record, too many psychological issues in their history, bad credit, etc stop assuming people care so much

guys pamela was saying some incredible things, turn her mic up

I don't get why they changed the definition of lesbian. Lesbian is women loving women. Its almost invalidating that they did that. Non-men loving non-men? the lgbtq+ community tries to be inclusive, yet we couldnt create new terms for those that don't identify as women, but love women/non-men

@will506

6 ай бұрын

maybe to create confusion to take advantage of open minded, compassionate people that may be oblivious to the contradictions within the ideology

@velatoget

6 ай бұрын

Creating new terms and changing definitions is how the entire gender topic exists. They just make things up and change things to get their narrative to work -- even though it doesn't work.

@MsBlushing24

6 ай бұрын

It promotes the idea that men are the default.

@Thereasonyoudontlikeme

6 ай бұрын

I’m confused asf with this comment

@Victori.A1

6 ай бұрын

And there ARE terms for that. Non binary people only attracted to women are *trixic*. I really don't know why they insist that they are lesbians

As a total outsider, the problem seems to be language. Words are getting re-defined causing chaos.

@Foob2TheR

4 ай бұрын

Americans are all very lucky they weren't born in the Middle East. So lucky that they create their own struggles just so other's can feel bad for them.

@slsthewriter1299

4 ай бұрын

I HAVE LITERALLY BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS. So much of our issues as a whole is just…it's language. People get confused over what others are trying to say, but they only have their own experiences to fall back on, so it just ends up in this constant loop.

@endeavor1664

4 ай бұрын

Language is the root of it for sure, but the problem now is that they’re using these new definitions to justify invading spaces that used to be just for lesbians or just for women

@LittlestLilly

4 ай бұрын

But words like "they/them" as singular pronouns have been used for centuries already. That hasn't been redefined - more people are just being exposed to it and don't seek to learn.

@Tiffany-bd1eb

4 ай бұрын

I feel like social media has made it worse. Online bubbles aside, never in our history have we been looking at and communicating by written text so much.

Ambers response to being proven wrong is "you're privileged" everytime. i can't confirm this because i no nothing about her outside of this video but she's coming off as a narcissist

@julia.c.mcclure92

24 күн бұрын

Which is crazy because she’s the daughter of a millionaire lol

How are you a lesbian if you don’t identify as a woman? 🎯

“I believe in freedom of speech” then proceeds to cut off or interrupt any person who disagrees with her 😭

@JamesJones-tl4yy

5 ай бұрын

You don't understand freedom of speech

@rams812

4 ай бұрын

How are those things related?. She's not telling them they can't say things. She's just rude. So again, how are they related?

@JamesJones-tl4yy

4 ай бұрын

@rams812 lol use your critical thinking skills. Put yourself in another's shoes.

@rams812

4 ай бұрын

@@JamesJones-tl4yy maybe find a brain first and actually answer my question. Interrupting and cutting off doesnt counter believing in freedom of speech. Just means your rude and carry an inability to wait. Doesnt take too much critical thinking to see that, but maybe you lack any level of thinking

@nicolemarlin6900

4 ай бұрын

That’s the conservative way!

Amber: Detransitioners are just soo small percentage of people we should not talk about it...also Amber: It does not matter if intersex people are only 1% we should acknowledge it in the topic

@Bionic_Webb

6 ай бұрын

That part irritates me so bad she a hypocrite

@motleyminded85

6 ай бұрын

Even if 1% of the trans population ends up detransitioners (the number is actually higher), there are thousands upon thousands in the USA alone, and they don't deserve to be invalidated and have their experiences/trauma swept under the rug. We can't fix problems if we refuse to acknowledge them.

@mikavargas1749

6 ай бұрын

well 2% of the WORLD population is intersex so like… 13.5 million or smth? and less than 1% of trans people have de transitioned so like… 2 thousand? i feel like that’s a large large different ..

@reeceassify

6 ай бұрын

​@@motleyminded85exactly or the numbers will grow. Not to many religious parents were taking their kids to camps to stop being gay but when few did it more and more ended up doing it so yes by not acknowledging the problem only makes it worse.

@shani5345

6 ай бұрын

And LGBTQ + is a very small percentage of the population. I guess she is discrediting her community.

Referring to women as "non-men" can be seen as offensive for several reasons: Erasure of identity: The term "non-men" defines women solely in relation to men, rather than recognizing them as individuals with their own unique identities and experiences. It implies that men are the default or norm, while women are simply deviations from this norm. Reductive: Describing women as "non-men" reduces their identity to what they are not, rather than acknowledging their inherent worth and complexity as individuals. Inclusive language: Using terms like "non-men" to refer to women fails to recognize the importance of inclusive language that respects and affirms people's identities. It can make women feel marginalized and excluded from discussions about their own experiences and issues. Historical context: Women have long been marginalized and oppressed in many societies, and using language that reinforces this marginalization can be deeply hurtful and offensive.

I feel like we deserved regular lesbians.. lol not social media influencers or women in the spotlight. How about political women or regular blue collar women that we who are watching this can relate too

It’s really interesting how you can tell who participates in this to learn from each other and who participates to fight and put the other side down

@CherryCupcakePie

6 ай бұрын

every conservative 😂 just here to yell their ‘truth’ at others

@frishter

6 ай бұрын

@@CherryCupcakePie "My truth" is not a phrase that came from conservatives, sorry to tell you that.

@emileemay3208

6 ай бұрын

@@CherryCupcakePiethe only one you could BARELY argue that with us Arielle…and even she was pretty open minded here. the liberal side though? there were two people who literally fought tooth and nail (and made up obscene lies) to prove their “truth”…not sure why you think conservatives were the one who came up with that saying but they’re not.

@VoVina111

6 ай бұрын

@@CherryCupcakePie did .. did you watch the same video that we did? lol

@michaelstimpfl9814

6 ай бұрын

@@CherryCupcakePie Everyone can have opinions, if the liberals can have an opinion, then why can't the conservatives? Every thing about the LGBTQ+ community is about acceptance.

I feel like it’s important to be respecting the “base” sexes. To basically call women “non-men” and making this stuff based around men is def misogynistic.

@Momo-po5tn

6 ай бұрын

They dont respect them, thats why

@danishamcclendon

6 ай бұрын

That was my thought too like ,why are we centering men with our identity.

@eritakahashi1765

6 ай бұрын

Genuinely curious, are men considered anything non women? Just such a crazy way to talk, I really don't understand this and how non binary fits into this

@nao_directioner3191

6 ай бұрын

no because they are some non binary persons who are gay and say that it's non women loving non women

@katie7513

6 ай бұрын

@@eritakahashi1765yes men fit into the category of non women

I kept waiting for Pamela to speak. Since she was so quiet for so long, I just wanted to hear her thoughts on things.

I do not understand why they are only talking from a first world view perspective. when she asked what laws are against LGBT they just said that they were talking about america why are they only talking about america? Why dont we talk about the laws at afghanistan where its ILLEGAL to be LGBTQ or from where I from Turkey I cannot open up about my sexuality. This issue is so much deeper than they realize

@LaSantaPatrona

3 ай бұрын

Americans are very self centered people and they definitely don’t care about you and your problems because the world revolves around them. When you guys start trending on X or Facebook that’s when they’ll for sure chime in and start giving their opinions. They’re pushing sooo far ahead without even thinking or caring bout who they leave behind. While they can stay in their country and bicker over pronouns, people lose their lives in other countries because as you say, they can’t even open up publicly about that.

@doctorsree

2 ай бұрын

bc this jubilee debate is in context of america, not other countires

@yb32

20 күн бұрын

Amerikalılar başka ülkelerin yasalarından haberdar değil, genel olarak dünyanın geri kalanından kopuklar. Çoğu da dünyanın en iyi ülkesinde yaşadıklarından emin ve başka ülkelerdeki hak ihlallerini bileseler de umursamıyorlar. En özet cevap bu :)

@aubreygross6908

8 күн бұрын

Also bc the debate was about conservatives and lesbians in america. When other countries were mentioned they all agreed that things need to change there but thats not the issue they were discussing and thats other countries where they cant vote for the laws in other countries

@Strawberrymustard

8 күн бұрын

@@aubreygross6908 was it mentioned somewhere? Genuinely

I think that they should make sure everyone on the panel gets to talk before people who already spoke do so again.

@will506

6 ай бұрын

that’s too restrictive for a productive debate. arielle just needs a little more patience and to avoid interrupting them

@RorysStory84

6 ай бұрын

Agreed, if I wanted to know how Ariel felt about everything question I’d go to her channel. It’s unfortunate that we didn’t get to hear as much from the other guests.

@alice2923

6 ай бұрын

OR people should learn to speak up.

@madisonjolie1224

6 ай бұрын

@@alice2923 💀

@WhyWorldWet

6 ай бұрын

100% “You had your turn, STFU”

I consider myself progressive, but I think we're going in the wrong direction when words stop having meanings.

@FatalCroissant

6 ай бұрын

What do you mean?

@meganw-w3725

6 ай бұрын

100%!!!

@madalasorgente

6 ай бұрын

.

@youtubeposter3814

6 ай бұрын

@@FatalCroissantThat the word woman has no inherent meaning, being defined only as people who identify as it. That extreme of inclusivity causes the word to lose virtually all of its descriptive power.

@kn7833

6 ай бұрын

​@youtubeposter3814 are you scared people won't know your gender ? Or are you scared that people who don't look like you identify as the same gender as you? If so how does that negatively impact you ?

to the liberal lesbians: when they talk about what is a LESBIAN WOMAN they seem they forgot the term LESBIAN comes from Lesbos, a Greek island, in reference to the poems of Sappho, a poetess from Lesbos, who spoke of romantic feelings between women that's why all what is related to women attracted and loving to other women is known as sapphic too.

Thank you Becky and Kennedy, very well spoken people

I love how calm and polite Becky is while talking about heavy issues. Very accepting but still firm in her beliefs.

@Kali08012

5 ай бұрын

I agree

@thecamillarose9806

5 ай бұрын

I loved her

@user-yg7fv3jo8v

5 ай бұрын

Critical! PaleXXXXn Hummus strongly opposes the LGBT community and homosexuals. Reports include instances of torture, arrests, and threats against community members.There are videos showing that Palestinians have hanged homosexuals in the street. You are invited to watch, though it is not easy watch. "LGBTQ+ community persecuted by Hamas in Gaza " On Balance NewsNation and "i24NEWS: 'When I was 17, Hamas caught me with my boyfriend'

@anitaraggini7695

5 ай бұрын

Opposed to ariel who is straight up mean

@sophienathaniel2089

5 ай бұрын

Yes and she was actually open to listening and understanding a different perspective as opposed to Sasha and Arielle

When someone brings up intersex like it's some kind of gender identity instead of a biological reality for those individuals, it's just so incredibly disrespectful and ignorant 🤦🏻‍♀️

@alisonmercer5946

5 ай бұрын

the amount of destranstioners or unhappy with their transition is more than one percent. Those one percent are warped

@alisonmercer5946

5 ай бұрын

idk why i said that under your comment because it has nothing to do with what u said

@omnium_gatherum

5 ай бұрын

@@alisonmercer5946 😂 no worries

@endeavor1664

5 ай бұрын

@@alisonmercer5946 it is somewhat related because Amber tried to claim there are more intersex people than detransitioners which is simply not true! She was just using them as a pawn for her nonsensical argument

@TIRFemcel

5 ай бұрын

​@@endeavor1664 Nope, there are about 5.6 million intersex people in the US alone which is more than total people who identify as trans in the US which is around 1.6 million, according to some studies up to 8% of that are detransitioners, combined by 3% of people who detransitioned at the time of the survey and 5% of people who had done so in the past, safe to assume that detransitioning numbers are not only low, but also most people who detransition continue transitioning later on. Source: google

So happy to see Amber and Julia,.. I loved watching these two in the better KZread days!!!!

what's privilege is being comfortable enough with your birth sex that all you really want is to style yourself differently and assume new pronouns to affirm your identity, meanwhile putting yourself under the same umbrella of 'trans' as people who are uncomfortable enough with their birth sex that they seek medical intervention to fix it and may never reach their goal of passing even though it's basically crucial for their quality of life to even be measurable tbh.

“Non-men”. How are you going to make the definition of woman completely androcentric? 😂 I can’t believe I’m alive to watch lesbians and likely self-proclaimed feminists essentially asserting that men and the default, and women are ‘other’.

@misspiscesdreamz

6 ай бұрын

It's ridiculous!

@dudeorduuude5211

6 ай бұрын

They are undoing all the hard work of the generations before them.

@ameyorin

6 ай бұрын

Simone de Beauvoir is rolling in her grave!

@switzjon8405

6 ай бұрын

You don't have to in this community to know ANY human walking the planet knows women are non men

@MsAussieSheila

5 ай бұрын

whilst claiming "patriarchy".. um these "non men" are the patriarchy, not actual men.

Amber screaming about privilege whilst having a multimillionaire father is sending me Edit: YES there are different forms of privilege. NO she is not a victim of them.

@JULSIEK

5 ай бұрын

who is her father?

@JR_Donofrio

5 ай бұрын

@@JULSIEKthat’s what I want to know

@nicola19cola100

5 ай бұрын

Omg does she lmao

@KLCeup

5 ай бұрын

She’s the daughter of a professional football player.

@themichiganderlesbians

5 ай бұрын

having privilege doesn’t mean you don’t experience bad things, having privilege means you aren’t disadvantaged by what you’re not. amber is the only person in the room who is a black and masc, all of the other women have a privilege that they don’t face oppression for that. amber has privilege bc she’s rich, they’re all privilege bc they’re able bodied, and attractive. but all of them do not have the privilege of being heterosexual. you get it now?

THERE ARE SO MANY LETTERS IN LGBTQIA FOR A REASON !!! YOU ARE NOT A LESBIAN IF U DONT USE she/her loving a she/her if you are non binary but female then stick to your gender idenity and leave the lesbians alone and use another letter people dont like us bc OF THOSE PEOPLE!!! YOURE SAYING YOUR MORE ACCEPTING WHEN TAKING AWAY THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF CATORGIZING (so people know who we are) i cant even say im a lesbian anymore bc no one knows wtf it means -a lesbian

Thank you Pamela! When it comes disability rights our movement is often forgotten!

"What they EDITED OUT: when we called out Amber on the privilege talk. Did you know Ambers dad was in the NFL and she went to private school her whole life? Nope, because they edited out to help her continue being a victim."

@AJ-lm5dl

5 ай бұрын

Oof

@theapex1762

5 ай бұрын

She was saying not being able to see another persons point of view and empathize with that is privilege cause it is you’ve been sheltered to the point where you believe someone else’s reality is just an anomaly or just straight up not real

@chad9049

5 ай бұрын

@@theapex1762 No, she was saying the other people she was arguing with were privileged solely due to their skin color whilst being more privileged herself. The average dipshit lefty tactic

@mitrigash3519

4 ай бұрын

wait who said that?

@uwishuknewnunya7845

2 ай бұрын

FACTS

40:41 If pronouns don’t equal your gender, how does using the wrong pronouns misgender someone?

@ana..a.

6 ай бұрын

thats what im saying bro these people dont even know what theyre talking abt yet say how theyre more educated in all these topics 💀😭😭

@Momo-po5tn

6 ай бұрын

Girl the delussssion

@ebbypetes

5 ай бұрын

Confusion of the highest order 😂😂😂😂😂

@sunnyl8276

5 ай бұрын

💯

@ShaawtyB

5 ай бұрын

Yo 💯😂😂😂

I'm lesbain and don't fit into a political category. Conservatives see me as too liberal and labrals say I'm too conservative. I don't agree with everything Ariel says by far, but I agree with some beliefs, but I wish someone would tell her squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. In reference to her saying " transwomen are transformed " cause genders never been black and while and for all she knows if she hasn't had a blood test then she could find out she was born with XY and her Y chromosome didn't do its job. And that doesn't 100% match up to the science definition of a woman. But also wouldn't make her trans all of a sudden.

These 'Conservative' lesbians are not even Conservative they are moderate Liberal women. To call them Conservative is unjustified. They are completing sensible, sensitive human beings

People come to these “debates” unprepared. If you want an honest debate, come with facts, data, and stats.

@kayhaich

6 ай бұрын

Stats and "facts" can be challenged...I don't think anyone tunes into Jubilee that anyway, sounds really boring.

@Isa-vi5hh

6 ай бұрын

Yes, that's basically arguing

@anonymousbo0318

6 ай бұрын

​@kayhaich 😂 🤡. Just admit, you're outclassed, and you're discussing things you don't even understand, child.

@lemax4277

6 ай бұрын

Assuming this is supposed to be a debate and not just what can you both agree upon to count as middle ground. If this is supposed to be a debate then I agree people should start using their own sources to back themselves up even if it’s going to be challenged. Problem is no matter what statistics you show others will claim that their personal experiences outweighs the statistics sometimes.

@Strange9952

5 ай бұрын

It's very difficult to do that because then someone would not have read those facts and data and had not come to their conclusions on it facts are facts, what you conclude from those facts is not decided yet, especially in social sciences and whatnot

Liberal: “…those people who are homophobic, who are transphobic, are in power in this country“. Ariella: “Democrats?” 🤣🤣🤣

@hopeintruth5119

5 ай бұрын

No, the house speaker though is and is pretty clear. Republicans

@thecamillarose9806

5 ай бұрын

​@@hopeintruth5119the house speaker speaks for Biden

@hopeintruth5119

5 ай бұрын

@@thecamillarose9806 no, no he does not. The house speaker speaks for the house of representatives

@RomanDiaries

5 ай бұрын

Ever since I heard about how in Tazmania, they legally ban lesbians from meetings that don't include males who identify as lesbians, I took liberal homophobia way more seriously. I'm not super conservative, but they are currently more likely to leave lesbians alone than liberals are.

@bmoe4609

5 ай бұрын

Like it republicans. But truth is it's a mix of both one is more extreme than the others. My family is democrat but dislike the queer

This was truly amazing and eye opening 👏👏👏

Saying you’re not a women and you’re lesbian is insane😭

@Michigander30

6 ай бұрын

When I first looked up the definition of lesbian, it was "the female act of homosexuality." So, if Nazreen's biological sex is female and they only like females, then they can be a lesbian.

@missandry2669

6 ай бұрын

@@Michigander30She’s a woman a delusional one

@aspebb

6 ай бұрын

​@@Michigander30But they don't identify as a woman, though. It feels like a one or the other.kind of thing.

@Michigander30

6 ай бұрын

@@aspebb I'm talking about biological sex, not gender identity. Homosexuals are same-sex attracted.

@katie7513

6 ай бұрын

@@aspebbbecause gender ≠ sex. they are female but they identity as non hinary

I love that Pamela spoke up about language being the main divider in these topics. It points out, in my opinion, that we may be more similar in our thoughts than we think, but that language is what divides us. It's often what divides generations, it's what makes it hard for us to understand each other.

@cel.2263

6 ай бұрын

yeah, but i feel like they were wrong to dismiss to "it's just language" that divides them. language is HUGE. my main issue with the liberals is how they fail to explain how being inclusive on languages can translate to being inclusive on rights and acceptance. if you don't explain how those are related, than it becomes a discussion without any impact.

@summermoore7707

6 ай бұрын

Great point. The laws vs acceptance conversation was a big takeaway from this video. It seems they found middle ground on need for acceptance, but not legislature. Excellent mention of a forgotten conversation from the leftists that may have connected the two for the conservatives. I think there was an attempt when protection was brought up. I'd love to see this group react to the LGBTQIA+ Christian middle ground from last month. Religious freedom/our country being based on christian ideals being the cause of lack of protection/laws would have been an interesting prompt here.@@cel.2263

@animezae

6 ай бұрын

@@cel.2263and it’s really not JUST language. It’s the actions that stems from and influences the language that also poses issue.

@THEalishahnator3000

6 ай бұрын

​@@animezaewho was pamela thoo??

@angelazsz

6 ай бұрын

@@cel.2263great reply!

Why tf are they saying “intersex humans” instead of “intersex people”?? Why was that verbage corrected?

@milktea-xb6gq

Ай бұрын

Probably for the animal-kin, animal-self pronoun, furry folk...

To grow you have to have your mind open and actually be listening

Also, Becky at 24:00 did something I literally have seen hardly no one do, understand someone else's point. This how you know Becky is being humble and genuine in this conversation. She was actually willing to think through someone else's point and say she understands their point

@RalvA101

5 ай бұрын

thats what I was thinking too, I definitely dont agree with her but at least she was willing to listen to what the others had to say lmao

@ChampionShogo

5 ай бұрын

Beckys the only person here that speaks with any coherence whatsoever.

@courtneymcphilbin1484

5 ай бұрын

Becky is a Queen. Love her points of view and her empathy and understanding!

@ananananumumumumu3706

5 ай бұрын

bare minimum

@sad_vegan507

5 ай бұрын

I like Becky she’s got swag 👏🏼

If you are being denied rights, you better know what they are.

@daligogh1

6 ай бұрын

This is the one

@Momo-po5tn

6 ай бұрын

💯

@renny6151

6 ай бұрын

Lesbianism has never been criminalized in the UK and many other parts of the world, while gay men were illegal and punished with death. Lesbians are the most privileged in LGBT.

Very interesting perspectives ladies ❤🦋🦄

Becky!!! You need your own show!!! ❤️❤️❤️

I didn’t like Ambers “you’re privileged” attacks. Her statements were being questioned and she immediately dismissed it as not being able to understand/privileged. It came across as some sort of superiority complex.

@danielled.2169

6 ай бұрын

it's a defense mechanism to try and "check" the other person. In order to have an opinion, one must first humble themselves and go through some struggle session.

@jayterra2060

6 ай бұрын

@@danielled.2169it’s rehashing CRT theory. Not a test. Intersectionalism is a hallmark of what kids are learning now.

@TheVerucAssault

6 ай бұрын

Also she's not underprivileged if her father was an American football player. Just checking out her mom looks white, not Hispanic which makes the whole "you present differently than me" thing laughable. Here's hoping people like her that still fling this word around see the error in their mental gymnastics and put more of their time into something that logically makes sense instead of participating in Oppression Olympics.

@15jewjew

6 ай бұрын

The problem is she has a darker skin complexion and a course texture. She's gonna be more of a target than someone who looks white at first glance. Things are a bit more complicated, but at it's core I think that's what she was getting at.

@racheljane_

6 ай бұрын

It is. This whole worldview doesn’t deal with actual arguments, it focuses on deflecting and diminishing people depending on what class they are in.

I think its wild that some people want to say they dont like labels yet all they seem to do is label themselves

@SuperKat1100

6 ай бұрын

Best comment

@Night_Sirenn

6 ай бұрын

Yea bc there’s more fluidity and openness to express oneself nowadays

@r-ex2945

6 ай бұрын

And Label people who do not follow their ideas :p.

@shani5345

6 ай бұрын

Exactly what I said!

@Night_Sirenn

6 ай бұрын

@@r-ex2945 does not negate the fact that it’s a net positive for people to have the language to express themselves lol

Can someone explain how you could possibly be a lesbian if you don't even identify as a woman?

Bruh, this chick that keeps saying people are privileged is the most privileged person on the panel.

Christians, Jews, and Muslims. I’d love to see a Middle Ground with all the Abrahamic religions

@secularbabe

6 ай бұрын

That’s gonna be one crazy video lol

@faeezparkar9731

6 ай бұрын

We are done with abhramic religions, want to see more eastern religions now

@hair4571

6 ай бұрын

@@faeezparkar9731 eastern religions aren’t really controversial so there won’t be much drama there

@erenjaeger1738

6 ай бұрын

They did like few years ago

@camm8642

6 ай бұрын

Oh dear....

Amber saying "I am the friend of yours that can no longer support you" and happening to know the conservative lady is the most Lesbian thing I've ever seen.

@yoop4322

3 ай бұрын

why the most lesbian thing

@joilisch

3 ай бұрын

@@yoop4322 it's the whole "small community" thing, people know eachother and have drama.

I only have patience for Arielle Scarcella on x1.5 speed

I am just grateful they finally pointed out... talent!

I'm a tired lesbian. (tired of terfs)

@sagen06

6 ай бұрын

So quit?

@korneliaklamann8743

6 ай бұрын

real

@korneliaklamann8743

6 ай бұрын

@@sagen06 quit what?

@kleomarx8390

6 ай бұрын

ask @Jessica Kirson

@yourlocallesbian6448

6 ай бұрын

I'm a tired lesbian too tried of the LGBTQ

"I personally would date a transwoman, but I don't think it's transphobic not to want to." (17:20)

@steminist4517

6 ай бұрын

She is so well spoken

@TeenageDirtbag8

6 ай бұрын

Cool

@user-kv1zf6jp8q

6 ай бұрын

@@NotVille_ this was funny because it wasn’t funny

@erenjaeger1738

6 ай бұрын

Cause that makes u bi if u then XDlike bruh

@SeraphinaRivera

6 ай бұрын

As a trans person myself, I will never attack anyone or be upset if they dont want to date a trans person. You are not transphobic for not wanting to.

Different experiences does not mean you don’t possess unalienable rights. People are responsible for their own experiences, and in America your rights are unalienable. The way someone presents and conducts themselves with those rights is their responsibility, not the governments. Don’t abuse your rights if you don’t like the consequences.

EDIT: i just watched a more recent video from a month ago, i saw they added a moderator, thankful for that !!! what i will say about these middle ground is there definitely needs to be a moderator. i feel like half of these videos are just people shouting over each other and no real discussions are taking place.

Amber: You are privileged….. Sasha: How we have the same rights… Amber: I have a list of things Sasha: Share them now Amber: You’re not listening Umm what? Lol

@ItsPlaytimeVR

6 ай бұрын

I took it as she just wants her to agree with her in that moment

@heatherkate93

6 ай бұрын

@@callmebyyourname2015there are no examples.

@JeyC_

6 ай бұрын

​@@callmebyyourname2015 with how "liberals"(which is far leftists in reality, not really liberal anymore) are today now, Jubilee not finding the "best liberal" is inevitable

@oo7tease

5 ай бұрын

The NEVER provide examples they just make these spurious claims, then check out, amp up the anger , become abusive

@deega6285

5 ай бұрын

Who is The?

It's so crazy growing up watching Amber and Arielle on KZread back in the OG lesbian KZreadr days seeing them go on so many trips together, filming videos together, and having the same friend group, to becoming so distant and not on speaking terms anymore.

@katecollins2471

6 ай бұрын

Was Arielle always so annoying?

@dafnev3643

6 ай бұрын

@@katecollins2471 As far as i know yes, she was unhinged and not for beign conservative, its that she took it so far that it become what she criticize (irony)

@angelazsz

6 ай бұрын

@@katecollins2471yea she was in a past video and was very annoying too lol

@babsywoman4212

6 ай бұрын

​@@katecollins2471I like her. She is just passionate.

@JakobTennisMB

6 ай бұрын

I think they're both at fault. As a moderate, some of Arielle's positions are a little extreme and her behavior is sometimes a little hostile and erratic, but Amber's opinions are also totally unhinged sometimes. They both just changed for the worse, I think.

JULIA!!!! i love you

I think the goal of the lgbt community is to no longer have to segregate themselves as a community and be accepted as a social norm that people no longer argue for or against. Basically the community is fighting to no longer have to justify their existence.

‘Non men liking non men’. Wow. The amount of hate you have to feel to erase the term woman from the definition of lesbians.

@_______5345

5 ай бұрын

I mean gay folk would just be considered non women liking non women. How exactly is that hateful and who twords?

@LibraTransitioned

5 ай бұрын

I don't think that's hate. From a non-binary lesbian here.

@awoooga5857

5 ай бұрын

​@@_______5345I would slap anyone that refers to me as a nonwoman.

@pyrettablaze4325

5 ай бұрын

@@_______5345 because it’s typically just women who have their vocabulary erased

@Bigtiddygandalf

5 ай бұрын

@@_______5345since when is “gay folk” a non woman

i wish jubilee would start platforming every day ppl instead of influencers/ socialites

@emoyunho

6 ай бұрын

no literally arielle has been on here before and shes so infuriating

@ElKnoppers

6 ай бұрын

​@@emoyunho why?

@user-fi2yx7gz4n

6 ай бұрын

@@emoyunhowho is that??

@LimitedEditioneo

6 ай бұрын

I don’t think non-influencers are ready to take on the backlash that comes from this.

@jinx724

6 ай бұрын

I'd love it tbh, I would love to write an essay or do a video anything so they could start picking ppl who are more based and don't have a platform

‘Accepting everyone’ except people that don’t agree with you.

its so naive to think that we never have prejudice people. it wont happen

okay, someone help me understand: - your name does not define your gender - your clothes/hair/makeup does not define your gender - your pronouns do not define your gender but - gender is expression??? Then how can someone referring to you as a different name or pronouns, or categorizing you differently based on their understanding of gender, invalidate your gender? What makes your gender valid? Does your entire identity hinge on other people's validation and approval of your expression without question? That seems...unhealthy.

@arashf6094

6 ай бұрын

They wont admit it but essentially they believe very hardly on gender stereotypes to validate their gender.

@miaseb9009

6 ай бұрын

This is a really great question, here’s just my point of view on the topic: gender expression and gender validity are all about the individual person. Someone’s personal name, pronouns, or clothing choices do not define THIER specific gender, but rather their own gender identity is how they personally determine it to be through self discovery, and it is up to the people around them to decide whether or not they will respect how that person wishes to be viewed and referred to as. I hope this made sense and provided some clarity. Overall, I personally have come to an understanding that if people are not harming anyone else, then do things like clothing, pronouns, gender, or sexuality labels really matter THAT much just to release more negative energy towards people? If we all are just living side by side with respect for one another then I think we are doing pretty okay :)

@TCakes

6 ай бұрын

It is unhealthy. The reason this nonsense even gained so much traction is social media. I guarantee you that it never would have been a thing if constant external validation wasn’t at your fingertips 24/7

@kn7833

6 ай бұрын

The answer is its different for everyone. And the more we realize that there are so many variations and combinations of humans maybe you and others will explore (and accept) your own variations.

@taechimyoonkookie8647

6 ай бұрын

Bingo!

Would be interesting to see non-religious pro-life vs. Christian pro-choice.

@ughhhmcrbinch5583

6 ай бұрын

whats the point of that. the pro lifers wouldnt use religion as an argument and the christians might or might not. what argument will there really be other than heartbeats and brains.

@GothixTV

6 ай бұрын

There is no such thing as Christian pro-choice.

@littlelemon1783

6 ай бұрын

id love to see this

@elisarou9530

6 ай бұрын

one would be following the bible and one wouldnt so theyre hardly Christians lol

@isenfirecat

6 ай бұрын

@@ughhhmcrbinch5583 maybe a philosophical argument on pain/sentience. i mean it's always interesting to less-usual combinations of values in a debate, and they'll probably be able to find folks from both sides

I'm finding myself agreeing with the conservative lesbians. The lefts stance is mind blowing to me.

@yolandaponkers1581

26 күн бұрын

There’s a reason for that. It’s because Jubilee has a covert conservative slant that they’re attempting to pass off as seeking the reasonable middle ground.

@Bungycb

15 күн бұрын

@@yolandaponkers1581 it’s the opposite. Jubilee like most if its audience are liberal. Just look at the conservatives they bring in for other debates

@LuagoNosLivros

2 күн бұрын

we're all. the lefts have gone delulu.

"but those are movements, that has nothing to do with politics" WHAT????? do you know what a movement is

Arielle is the type of person who comes for a debate and thinks she's gonna win rather than trying to reach a middle ground

@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay

5 ай бұрын

She seemed very reasonable & level headed.

@1love847

5 ай бұрын

Her tone of voice is completely grating on my nerves.

@symuelleleones

5 ай бұрын

She's fed up to all these new rules and nonsensical ideas.

@meowy4720

4 ай бұрын

Who even cares about a "middle ground"? That's not the point of debating.

@AmalSaidi123

4 ай бұрын

@@Sunshine-is_here_to_staynot when she brought up palestine

'would you date someone with male genitals?' 'I am progressive so I am open-,minded' - to be 'progressive' now do we need to be open to all people sexually? Why can't we just be attracted to who we want to be? Wasn't that the mantra of the LGBT community in the first place? Feels we have come full circle.

@shacharrachmany1102

6 ай бұрын

That's because a lot of people nowadays got rid of the idea of borders completely to the degree that you're not allowed to make definitions because if the definition of something is X that means you "exclude" anything that isn't X. Men SHOULD be excluded from women spaces tho for example. There is a great book about that and more by Thomas Sowell called 'Discrimination and Disparities'.

@DasRaetsel

6 ай бұрын

Listen to Julia at 17:21. She addresses exactly what you are saying in that you can be progressive while also having a preference. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

@dudeorduuude5211

6 ай бұрын

"Progressive" is sneaky, false advertising. These people aren't progressive, they are religious. They preach, shame, try to annoyingly convert, pearl clutch, and have a limited dogma they follow. It isn't moving forward, it is too culty for that.

@LeviShawando

5 ай бұрын

@@DasRaetsel Disagree. If you say you're a lesbo but then date guys, by definition you're not a lesbo but bisexual. Being open-minded doesn't give you license to contradict.

@6thgraderfriends

5 ай бұрын

@@LeviShawandoRight? There are already words and definitions for the stuff they're doing. It's not new to be bisexual or pansexual, just say you're that if that's what you are.

56:34 Camera person probably didn't think they'd add that in lol

No one has an issue with anyone from LGBTQ+++++++++ being proud of who they are. The question is, why are they requiring everyone else be proud of them or risk being labeled a homophobe?