I get what Krause was saying about the Celtics, but the Bulls were still the champs, unlike the Celtics. MJ, Scottie, Phil, and the Bulls should've stayed together until they actually lose. You don't break up a team that's still winning no matter how old they are!

@reth4761

3 жыл бұрын

@JUICEPLUG thanks for the explanation Captain Obvious

Not Just 7 titles I think he could of brought his team to 8 he was still at the end of his prime when he retired . Just imagine a Kobe vs Jordan series !!

@devlasosa

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve been thinking about that for weeks now and all the mental fan fictions in my head can’t heal that pain

@farakhhanif

4 жыл бұрын

Bryce Hatton Would the Lakers even have made the Finals without Phil Jackson coaching them?

@stephenasunnamedsource2943

4 жыл бұрын

I dont know if they wouldve beaten the Spurs tho. David Robinson and Tim Duncan wouldve been an issue for Dennis Rodman

@tko5623

4 жыл бұрын

@@stephenasunnamedsource2943 who would guard Jordan would have been a bigger issue.

@frankabreu27

3 жыл бұрын

@@stephenasunnamedsource2943 Rodman on Robinson and pippen on Duncan. It wouldn’t stop them but they’d at least have to work for their buckets and it’d tire them out

1999 would have been easier than ‘98.

@SG-kw4pd

4 жыл бұрын

I really don’t understand how the board of the bulls could not have fired Krause and kept the squad...

@reth4761

3 жыл бұрын

@@SG-kw4pd the owner didn't wanna pay pippen and the others since they were aging. Reinsdorf was worried about paying a huge contract for players that may be on the decline in the near future.

@reth4761

3 жыл бұрын

Cap, the Knicks had a lot of good players that year. If it wasn't for the injuries,the Knicks would have swept San Antonio Spurs in the final.

@fizzle2323

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! It was a lockout season so fewer games , that would’ve made sense!

Effing Jerry Krause. Denied the world of a 4-peat. SMH...

@blazesbrother5140

4 жыл бұрын

@bongo155 definitely

@yehudadana7319

4 жыл бұрын

u know he died a few years ago right?

@JYMAHJAMES

4 жыл бұрын

@@yehudadana7319 may he rest in piece, but he still fucked up

@reth4761

3 жыл бұрын

On the bright side, the Bulls wouldn't have won 6 championship without Krause management. You can't deny that Jerry was excellent at trading players that was needed for those championships.

After watching Episode 10, I am convinced that would be MJ's biggest regret that he couldn't come back one more year and play for a 7th title. It will always be a what if.

When MJ retired he beat Stockton and Malone by himself with no Pippen scoring half the teams points. Guy was still in his prime. He had at the very least another chip in him.

What bothers me is that the 90's Bulls never passed the torch to another team like the Pistons, Lakers and Celtics before them. Had they continued, the Bulls would have run into the 00's Lakers. That would have been a sight to see

If the fans decided anything, Jeremy Lin would be a 6x all star rn

@user-rd8tl5ej4g

4 жыл бұрын

mElo HuRt LiNS cArEer.

@thomascrowniii1693

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-rd8tl5ej4g Melo hurt his career on all the teams Lin played on after New York? That sounds logical to you?

@elijahtheprophet2202

4 жыл бұрын

@@thomascrowniii1693 I think he was joking

@totsflores5181

4 жыл бұрын

And zaza would be a 1 time all star

Yes, absolutely yes.

Imagine if MJ had decided to do what LeBron does? Realize his team's getting old and leave to a better situation. MJ could've signed with the Lakers with Shaq and won in '99, 2000, 2001 then prob retire at 38. Or because he likes a challenge, he could've signed with a promising team that needed a #1 guy, like Portland. Portland almost beat the Lakers in '99-2000. If MJ goes to Portland in 98-99 & played with Rasheed Wallace, Damon Stoudemire, Pippen if he gets traded there a year earlier. That team wins a chip.

@richardlloyd2589

4 жыл бұрын

Tim Wing We know now just how much MJ taught Kobe. Imagine if he had joined Phil in LA, playing just “for the love of the game”, maybe as PG. He would have been in on a 3rd 3peat.

@Scarsofevil

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine if the situation that led to the explosion of Contracts and Durant joining the warriors happened with Jordan and the Bulls?

@jasonkafka5109

3 жыл бұрын

@ripseeze so true these youngens don't know m.j the goat easy . Kobe better than lebrick too

@TieOnRadish

3 жыл бұрын

Have to remember the players Lebron joined force with to win rings were not just allstars but top 5 player, Wade and AD. You could even argue both those players were 3rd best player at the moment they join Lebron. That's like MJ teaming up with Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Barkley, Shaq in their prime

@reth4761

3 жыл бұрын

Cause MJ wasn't a sellout and wanted to compete with own team. Lebron has 0% loyalty in his veins, bet he cheats on his wife with playmates week in week out.

Jordan against Duncan would of been awesome

I agree with Michael Wilbon about getting MJ, Phil, and Scottie in a room and talk about going for #7. But the sticking point is with Scottie. Scottie wanted a multi-year deal worth about $60M+. But I'm convinced that if you offer Scottie a one-year $20-$25M, Pip would have reconsidered on coming back.

If Jordan didn’t retire (the first time) and jerry would have kept everyone THE BULLS WOULD HAVE a 9peat!!! GUARANTEE!!!

@SG-kw4pd

4 жыл бұрын

But I like how we saw the rockets and Hakeem win 2. I’m not a rockets fan btw, I just loved Hakeem the dream

Imagine Jordan vs Hakeem in the NBA Finals???

@abuhassan8849

4 жыл бұрын

@Hector Rodriguez MJ himself said he would've retired in 1992 if it wasn't for going for a 3-peat.

@gorockets9349

4 жыл бұрын

Hector Rodriguez no the rockets would have won cause they got Hakeem he was really good for a big man but that would be cool too

@simple45679

4 жыл бұрын

@@gorockets9349 Rockets had Olajuwon and a squad in '96 as well but they didn't make the finals to defend his their title

@ruchpat1

4 жыл бұрын

Hakeem would crush him. It would be a beat down that would have really f*cked his legacy because in a more big man reliant league they would not have anyone to stop Hakeem.

@raymundturner1140

4 жыл бұрын

@Hector Rodriguez I think houston would of got one of those.

Shortened season the next season, if everyone came back, including Phil, they could have won a 4th.

@MrRudyc85

4 жыл бұрын

Could. I say would.

@israeldiaz686

4 жыл бұрын

They did try wth what team hasn't try to win every year stupid questions on ESPN

@GroverJ83

4 жыл бұрын

Rodman was physically spent after 98,couldn't even hang as a backup anymore. Pippen was not a top 20 player for single season of his career after 98,still an above average starter in the NBA but no all star level.and literally your entire supporting cast was free agents. Hard to imagine Ducan and Robinson not putting up monster numbers if the Bulls had come out of the East. That said **uck Krause.Pippen should have gotten his bread and Management should have done everything they could for Pippen,Jordan and Phil to make one last run together. Let the champs stay the champs until someone knocks them off their throne.

They should of but at the end of the day the villains was Jerry Krause and Jerry Reinsdorf.

I distinctly remember Jerry Reinsdorf's comments about not wanting to "be the Celtics". He worried so much about that, they set new standards for futility after the end of a dynasty. They have sucked since then, save for a couple exciting playoff runs with Derrick Rose before slamming into LeBron. Nobody talks about the post-Bird Celtics anymore, but the new low is the post-Jordan Bulls.

People forget, there wasn't much competition coming from the EAST with Shaq leaving out west. Asides from Reggie, not much to worry about. The West was a blood bath, I see MJ and the Bulls winning 2 more and Scottie taking at least 1 finals MVP, and finally getting his much deserved recognition...

@drwalka10

4 жыл бұрын

You think an older mj , pippen, and rodman beats the best of the west ? A west that you confirmed was bloodbath a great teams ?! ok bud

@dfdfdgggjhjjh5081

2 жыл бұрын

Pippen would never even sniff finals mvp over MJ. MJ was a lot better and carried the team every finals.

dont want the bulls to be the celtics of the 90's? well 22 years later ill take being 90's celtics than the 2020 bulls. reinsdorf is so f-ing oblivous smh, were going to suck for a long time.

The lockout worked AGAINST older teams. Teams were playing 25+ games in 30 days that season and that wore down older teams. Notice the Jazz got eliminated in the 2nd round because all those games in such a short time wore Stockton and Malone out.

4-Peat, 8-Peat, 9-Peat or 10-Peat MJ vs Hakeem MJ vs Duncan / Robinson MJ vs Kobe / Shaq 4-Peat is the most realistic, but nothing is impossible to MJ.

@kellz1703

4 жыл бұрын

I think that break was needed for mj and the team to set up for another 3-peat. Can’t imagine that team doing a 8-peat without any injuries or fatigue multiple titles runs do hurt a team eventually. That break was much needed

He retired at the right time. Plus I would have hate to see the Bulls lose a Finals.

Yes, they should have tried for a 7th title and I bet they would have won. What a gut punch hearing Jordan saying he wanted to return for another year to go for 7...if only it happened. Reinsdorf and Krause killed the dynasty. How well did that rebuild work out?

@dohpe-

4 жыл бұрын

The rebuild worked so well that Krause and Reinsdorf don't get to see another NBA championship before the grave.

@drwalka10

4 жыл бұрын

If Jordan didn't retire because of exhaustion after the 1st 3 peat ... when he was younger ... I might agree with you If Jordan kept playing the year after his last season with the bulls ... I might agree with you If Krause had the ability to see into the future to know that nx year was going to be a shortened season ... I might agree with you

Jordan,Koby,Canelo,Phelps, Brady have such a discipline frame of mind. These guys give there life’s to their respective crafts to seek immortality. I dive into this topic on my channel and find them extremely fascinating.

I can't get over the fact that Bulls would have won 9 in a row from 90' to 99' if MJ didn't retire

The lockout would have helped since the bulls would have to go thru Indiana/Miami and NYK again...Chicago vs San Antonio could of been great

I think because they would have had the 50 game season, they would have had a great chance of at least getting back to the finals if not winning it. However, I don’t think it would have gone beyond 7

The Bulls should have been kept together until someone beat them.

Here's my take. I think the bulls had a greater chance of not winning the next year then the previous one and that's coming from a huge MJ fan. You have to remember the pacers almost beat them in 98 , they were so close, infact I was thinking they were gonna lose until the last few minutes that they pulled it off. The next year they woulda had to play against much better teams, Kobe was already a much better player , the spurs were a way better team then the year before . If the bulls would have not made it to the finals or lose in the finals in the next season (assuming they all came back) I don't think we would look at MJ the same way we do now. We would actually had to realize that he was mortal and can lose lol. So I think it would have tarnished his legacy a bit. Don't get me wrong he woulda still been the goat

So many what ifs ,coulda wouldas no one will ever know its what makes this special

Go ahead, tell Michael Jordan that he can't win his seventh ring before the 1999 season. Did you watch the documentary? The Bulls had a lot of questions so they may have won their seventh or they may not have, but the media and everyone telling MJ that he's done and washed up would have only helped him.

as i have said on another post, i think, with the stats available, pippen and rodman still had 2 more productive years.. if they went for a 4 peat, they could have won it.. specially with the shortened season.. but going for a 5 peat is questionable and that probably would be the real end of the dynasty.

Lets be Real.. If it werent for their team drama, the Bulls would have won the next year 1999.

They would have won in 98-99. But after that, I think they wouldn’t have won anymore titles

Why is this even a question? Of course. If Jerry Krause didn't say what he stated, maybe they would've gotten the 7th

@drwalka10

4 жыл бұрын

Sucks that Krause didn't have the ability to see into the future to know that nx year was going to be a shortened season ... Arguing the shortened season as a reason to be mad at the bulls management for not running it back is so astonishingly unfair

Should’ve kept it going until someone stopped them

@Wolves2314

4 жыл бұрын

Lakers Pats1 jordan’s GOAT status is protected by leaving on top tho

I don't think the bulls would have won. They were exhausted.

7th ring for MJ. No problem.

@RandomClipMomentss

4 жыл бұрын

bongo155 MJ and Scottie the best duo in nba history

@dnuck318

4 жыл бұрын

The Spurs won the title against the 8 seeded knicks. It would have been tough against the Spurs however the guards of the Spurs would have gotten killed by Michael and Scottie. Ps lockout shortened season 50 games. The 99 spura were not better than the 98 bulls now how no way.

If Jerry Krause sucks up his pride the bulls have 7

@drwalka10

4 жыл бұрын

Sucks that Krause didn't have the ability to see into the future to know that nx year was going to be a shortened season ... Arguing the shortened season as a reason to be mad at the bulls management for not running it back is so astonishingly unfair

@stephenasunnamedsource2943

4 жыл бұрын

I dont think tbh. Idk if they wouldve beaten the Spurs. The Spurs dismantled everything in 99. Maybe the shortened season helps but it wouldnt make Dennis Rodman get any taller.

What hurt the Celtics in the 80s was the death of Len Bias, holding on to Bird and McHale was the right decision

MICHAEL JORDAN: I want to respect the Bulls as a organizations just like the Lakers, Celtics and he did that! Without a doubt!

If you dare to argue with me we can go. I have all the great points that would prove me right

Wilbon is full of it. No way. That tank was empty, they were done.

Duh they should’ve. Missed out on more greatness even if they loss.

Really shows how poorly run Chicago was and still is. They had the best player ever and they let a few disagreements run him out.

@drwalka10

4 жыл бұрын

u don't have a poor run organization if they consistently put competent players around jordan to win two 3 peats

@dfdfdgggjhjjh5081

2 жыл бұрын

And they were severely underpaying their two best players. MJ and Pip were getting like 2 mil a year. That’s playing with fire and borderline being a traitor to the people who brought you fortune.

She had some great points but she's wrong in my book. I'm with dude when he said he believes that they would've been convinced to stay and run it back and also I believe that if Jordan would've never left they would've had 9 titles by 99'

The best way and time to retire is on top

Bulls vs Lakers would’ve happened!

LeBron would have got 3 more stars together in another city.

@stephenasunnamedsource2943

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Naw i don't see them beating San Antonio

They wouldn't have won a 7th, the competition was building with the Lakers, Spurs, and Indiana was out for revenge big time after learning it's a lesson.

@lewis20002000

3 жыл бұрын

@Andrew Lee You MJ fans keep forgetting he was getting old. They barely got pass Indiana.

They would have gone on to win 8-10 championships.

Yes

Lol mj shoulda said eff it went LA for a Few with Phil in LA or Dallas instead of wizards Marc Cuban even said he woulda did everything and more plus keep his word with mj unlike the wizards did.

MJ would of taken care of bussiness and get his 7 title.what if. MJ goat:-):-)

Is this even a real question? smh nothing to talk about

krause gets too much heat and reinsdorf has been let off easy. he didn’t want to pay the players (big surprise) and ultimately the decision was never up to krause

Bulls I believe would've won in 1999 and 2000. But 2001 and beyond I don't see them winning anything anymore especially if they encounter the Kobe-Shaq LA Lakers!

They didnt want to win as bad as Jordan. Now they wish they did.

True Bulls could win 7 🏆!!

Jordan would have taken a pay cut to make sure Pippen was happy to go for 7 rings,if Phil was willing to stay...I honestly believe that...The bulls was running off fumes that last year,due to all of the drama on n off the court n Dennis Rodman didn't help... experience n chemistry won that last chip..n experience n chemistry would have won 7... Muhammad Ali n MJ are the only atlethes I know,that would die for pursuit of victory...Kobe was called the black mamba...I honestly don't think there's a animal that can compare to MJ's competitive ferocity...

Yes of course. Duhhhh

Wanna be friends?

They could have tried without Phil

Jordan is 100% right. He could have won seven if his team stuck together. Very bad decision indeed.

@Melbester9

11 ай бұрын

They would have 4-peated if Jordan and Pippen. Jackson came back in 1999. Knicks wouldn't had made the Finals as an 8th seed and Bulls would have played the Spurs in the Finals. Duncan and Robinson wouldn't had their first ring. If Jordan hadn't retired in the 90s twice, they would win 8 straight titles and probably had face the Rockets. Then Hakeem wouldn't had won a ring. Neither would Clyde and the others on that Houston team.

Yeah they should of. They would have won

The league was kind of watered down post expansion draft and thus maybe we should take that into consideration with Jordan but I won’t but in a lockout shorten season I think that Bulls team would have a chance although it would not have been as smooth it would be possible.

No, because then Jordan would have risen on the 3rd day.

My 3 remarks on this FIRST Yes, I saw MJ and he is the man primarily becuase Lebron is still playing. Lebron's cement is wet - while MJ's cement is dry SECOND MJ had Phil Jackson as a coach and folks underestimate the significance of having a GREAT COACH MJ never won a title without Phil Jackson as coach Phil Jackson is a clear Hall of Fame coach who went on to win rings with the Lakers Lebron has taken coaches to the finals (Mike Brown and David Blatt) and then also to championship titles that will not be in the hall of fame (Eric Spoelstra and Tyron Lue) and they never returned to the finals or haven't won a title since Lebron left THIRD (The numbers....No, not scoring titles and No, not championships.....ALL THE OTHER NUMBERS!!!) As of March 2020 MICHAEL JORDAN Points 32,543 Rebounds 6,672 Assists 5,643 Blocks 893 LEBRON JAMES Points 34,087 Rebounds 9,353 Assists 9,298 Blocks 951 Next Year - Lebron will be the only player in NBA History with a TRIPLE QUINTUPLE....when he gets over 10,000 rebounds and 10,000 assists. And barring injury or another PANDEMIC, in 2.5 years he will be the all time leading scorer in NBA History and if he plays 3.5 years may score 40,000 points Will close with folks been hating on Lebron James for some time now. In 2013 Lebron James was UNANIMOUSLY voted 1st team all defense and March Gasol was voted on the 2nd team all defeense. Guess who the media voted as the DEFNSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR......yes, logically, March Gasol from the 2nd team all defense beat out the UNANIMOUS 1st team selection Lebron James for the DPOY award........if that ain't hate, then I don't know what HATE IS!!!!??? And in many ways....the HATE continues today......(See Documentary commentary and remarks).

Running it back when you're earning 10x more than the next best player is easier said than done. How about you break Pippen some of that bread if winning mattered that much to you? I know someone who took less to win.

@crisaracon7379

4 жыл бұрын

Scottie signed a terrible contract that's his fault.

@TheUndefeatedOfTheEast

4 жыл бұрын

Michael was making a little more than Scottie was during the 90's. Lucky for him his contract wasn't as long and the bulls had to pay him whatever he asked for. So no he couldn't take less to give Scottie more. That's not how contracts work. They could have reworked his contract to do him a favor for his contribution and uplifting that team but they opted not to do so. Sadly there was not arbitration like there is in baseball. Sadly Scottie got conned by a man who's interests were with the organization and not the players. He said it himself, organizations win championships not players.

@dohpe-

4 жыл бұрын

Not too many superstar players have taken less than market value to win. In reality, only one really comes to mind.

@harrischoudhary

4 жыл бұрын

You do know that Mj was underpaid his whole career and only got paid 97 and 98. Pippen also got paid in portland and houston his career earning are higher than MJ’s

the spurs would have swept them

@kingsleyjackson8287

9 ай бұрын

How the knicks gave em problems

Imagine if Jordan went to Houston with Scottie, that had barkley, drexler, hakeem and price, dam how could they not win

I miss real sports

They tried seven times don’t forget when they lost in 95 to the magic it’s like people try to forget it

@exterminatallsimps

4 жыл бұрын

Uh it was in a prior episode, no one is forgetting it.

@antoniogreen9176

4 жыл бұрын

Aye guess what they swept them the next year

@murisimamovic2024

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Messina dang why you need throw insults right away just stating facts he still had his go to guys and I don’t hear MJ fans making excuses for Bron

@murisimamovic2024

4 жыл бұрын

antonio green That’s cool but he still lost in 95 am I right

@murisimamovic2024

4 жыл бұрын

Rick Rude Just wondering since Wilbon is acting as if they never did try for seven titles when they clearly did

I say bulls win 7

Nah .. mj would have won 94 95 99

Whats Next? Should MJ sleep in a hotel or in his house... 😩

I mean the spurs and the lakers were rising. It’s not a guarantee they win a 7th anyways

@bryanindart9688

4 жыл бұрын

But its MJ though idk but yeah you make a point

170th comment 🤢🤮🤧

Ask the F'N question stop talking.

Sick of this jordan thing😖

Im sorry to dissappoint but if NBA history repeated itself except for the Bulls making the finals, theyre not beating the 99 Spurs. One of Chicagos biggest weakeness during that era was mobile big men that could play the 4 and San Antonio had 2 of em. Couple this with an aging core and the high possibility of injuries due to the lockout, No not happening. Look, Father Time is undefeated and the Bulls gracefully bowed out before it could take its last swing.

@TheUndefeatedOfTheEast

4 жыл бұрын

They didn't really bow out. They were forced to disband.

@zenonpyro2071

4 жыл бұрын

But the Bulls swept the spurs since 1996~1998

MJ should be glad Jerry Krause broke up that team. He probably saved his Legacy. If MJ would've went 6-1 or 6-2 in the finals would we still say he's the GOAT..

They wouldn't have gotten it

That Spurs team would whack them.

Hello people at espn there’s other sports besides basketball. The last dance was amazing but come on now this is too much

The best way and time to retire is on top