Third time watching. I think this is one of the most important videos you've made. I recommend pinning to your home page to make sure new subscribers see it. Really good to think about for **value** in an amplifier. Thanks again for taking the time.

One of the most instructive videos on amps on KZread! I learned a lot. Now I understand why zero fidelity used to open up amps for his reviews... but he never explained why!

I have the A-S2100 for several years now. Unbeatable at the price and beats up the chain another few grand. Hands down I love it.

@MrJatzeq

Жыл бұрын

did you compare it to 1200? there is rumor that is same quality and sound....

Musical Fidelity M6si is a BEAST! It drives your speakers, the sound is so neutral and gorgeous. I highly recommend you guys to audition it. Hard to find though!

Nice video! I would recommend the Luxman! I love my 590ax II. The 505ux II is a top quality product and looks beautiful too!

I auditioned the Atoll in300 a few days ago with Kef ls50s and Elac vela bs 403..the sound was very clean and refined with very good dynamics and i think its an amazing intergrated amp for the price... I'm looking forward in buying one and pairing it with my kef R3s!!

Definitely some decent choices here. I believe in this group the Yamaha A-S2100 is what I would get.

Very good review I’m looking for a new integrated amp atm too Your review helped me !

Yamaha all the way! Or maybe the Luxman too...can't go wrong here. Good luck choosing!

@slumgullianpass

3 жыл бұрын

Nah

I had the Yamaha A-S2100. Very good amp. Detailed sound and one of the best amplifiers I had for tuneful and detailed bass. After two and half years it went into protect mode and had to be sent back to the agent for repair/reset. It seems to be a common problem on the A-S2100 and some have had the "protect" issue even on the flagship A-S3000. Happy now with my 1989 Accuphase P-11 power amp and 1983 Accuphase C-222 preamp. My second system is a Muzishare X-5 EL 34 tube amp. Bang for buck tube amp. Well built too.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your experience, i will keep that in mind.

I like the way your doing your demos..you go in bro..thanks for being thorough etc..I'm learning with you..excellent video..again thanks..keep them coming please.

@fishingbear69

4 жыл бұрын

I just subscribed

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Highly recommend the Yamaha A-S2100. It's preamp is one of the most tube-like SS preamps out there, giving it a warm, natural sound. I compared it's preamp to a Schiit Freya+ with NOS CBS tubes and the sound, especially holographic top end, were very similar, but the Yammy had a slightly wider sound stage. The S2100 pairs well with neutral to bright speakers. The phono stage is excellent. You can also run the preamp/power section as separates if you want to pair it with other preamps or power amps to experiment. So it is a separate and an integrated amp. In the end I prefer the Yammy's preamp as an integrated amp. The only addition was a McIntosh MP-100 phono stage, but it took $2k to best the Yammy's phono...

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

I’m really liking the Yamaha because everything seems properly designed and produced in their own factory etc, thanks for advice.

I have the Yamaha A-S2100 and would definitely recommend it. Very underrated.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

It’s one of the best for sure.

@yigitboylu8543

4 жыл бұрын

As701 with 100 watt output could not make davis acoustics dufy hd happy. I Am not sure about As2100

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Below A-S1100 In Yamaha integrated amps is not that great.

@yigitboylu8543

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tharbamar if you look inside of as701, it is as cool as as2100. I mean the look is not a cue for Good sound

@Dilyaev

4 жыл бұрын

The AS1100, AS2100 and AS3000 are completely different circuit with balanced floating mosfets design. Best amp you can get, forget about luxman etc.. you'll fall in love with music like never before. If not that then GhentAudio class D monoblocks.

Hi, I totally agree with your attitude when it comes to amplifiers build and design. I also prefer japanese solid build, weight, and features. In my country we often say (I am from Poland) that english air (inside amps chassis) is very expensive. It is just a joke about what you get for your money comparing to Japan brands. And another thing - loved your comment about loudness function in Luxman amp. It is so NO - audiophile, but so usefull at evenings ! I had it in my Denon PMA 720 AE and used it often when listening at low volume levels. I have now Yamaha A-S1100 and I am absolutely in love with this beauty (even though it has no loudness:)) It works with Tannoys XT 8F's. Like your channel and wish you all the best (health and HIFI gear) in new year!

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I’m tired of expensive air :) , it seems to me that many people are going to buy base on what reviewers said, many of them have no idea about important of the build quality for an amplifier is, marketing is best thing for companies to make profit, not the better build quality to consumers, thank you.

Thanks one I wish was reviewed is the technics sug700 integrated amp. Beautiful and totally high tech and the few reviews there are rave about it.I see it retails for $2500.

I have the Marantz PM-10 and was unsure about the Class D but after some listening on 3 different speaker manufacturers and speaker types, I enjoy the sound. My main system is McIntosh C47/MC452. I was also looking into the Yamaha S3000 before going with the Marantz.

Great video. I think the Yamaha and the Luxman are on my short list based on your analysis and others. I am waiting to find one used if possible. There is also the Vincent SV 237 to consider.

Great video, I've been looking for the same in the same price range for over a year now. So much to choose from that I can't make up my mind. Good luck and I look forward to seeeing what you decide upon.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks

First Luxman, second Yamaha, can't go wrong !

@fishingbear69

4 жыл бұрын

I'll second that

@astralboy

2 жыл бұрын

and 3rd atoll

Great video. I'm in the market for an amplifier for my Harbeth Monitor 30.2s. This really helps. Thanks

The Yamaha AS2100 looks great. I have the RN803 for the bedroom and it sound nice. Had a listen to the new 5000 series and it’s superb. If the AS2100 sits it between it should be a darn great amp to own.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Yamaha is very good sounding indeed, thanks

I own both Yamaha and Luxman equipment and i have to say the sound from both is first class the Luxman is an older design and only a 50w per ch unit but very good sound for its age and smaller speakers, the Yamaha is a more modern unit 100w per ch a very clean fast sounding unit, the only way to decide is to listen

@carlosoruna7174

2 жыл бұрын

They each have or had their sound. In the 70s. Lux was flat. Yam was bright went lux and klipsh . Simple

You should take into account the difference between factory and hand built amps. The reason why Rega for example does not look so impressive is because its a single engineer who makes the amp behind his desk. That looks a bit less impressive than factory assembled hardware but every joint/component is measured and validated during assembly. They give lifetime warranty on manufacture defects so they're pretty convinced themselves about the quality they deliver. I don't see the Japanese brands providing this level of customer service.

@Simplyveej

Жыл бұрын

That doesn’t change the quality of the components, the number of transformers etc.

Thanks for doing what few other reviewers do in detail; compare under the hood, amps of similar price. I can see now what sets many of the Japanese manufacturers apart from their competition. it isn't only sound but build quality that matters.

The Yamaha and the Luxman are amazing!!!! I wish I can afford a Luxman.... but I know it's more realistic to get the Yamaha. Thanks for this great input!

@skwrttj

3 жыл бұрын

I’d love to have a Luxman again. Had a pair of M4000As, but they died after 15 years and parts were no longer available for propriety boards. Sounded great until the day they stopped operating. Alpine had ownership of the name by then and no real support could be had. Still sad over that. Since then, Luxman regained control of the name.

@skwrttj

3 жыл бұрын

BUT, I still have my original Yamaha CR-600 receiver driving my B&W DM4s. Only replaced the lights... twice since 1974! And it is still used daily in my garage/man cave/workshop along with the B&Ws.

This is a very interesting video, i totally get your point on build quality this is something that's really important to me, i was shocked with the poor quality of the hegel h90, the entire front panel and dials are made from plastic! I personally hate this and for that kind of money its unacceptable. I have a denon pma-1600ne arriving tomorrow and from the pictures i have been really impressed with the build quality. Being made in Japan is a huge bonus for me also, im looking forward to trying it out tomorrow 🙂

Might want to put the Anthem STR Integrated on your shortlist as well; great specs and sounds fantastic too. It'd be at the high end of your budget, but well worth the price imho.

@elongatuspiranha

4 жыл бұрын

Yes with arc Genesis it can be a game changer

I'm big fan of Yamaha 1100, 2100 and 3000 amplifiers. I hope you have a chance to take one of these amplifiers for home demo.

You need to add a few power amplifier + preamp combos for sure for this budget. For the same budget, you will have access to a lot more options. I would highly recommend the Benchmark AHB2 with a preamp of your choice.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

AHB2 is very good but I'm done with separates for now, thanks

I love the down to earth comparison, especially the components used inside. Please do more research like this with high-res innards images :) Just curious which did you end up getting? Thanks

Heard the Yamaha a-s3000 yesterday at a local shop hooked up to B&Ws 703 S2 floorstanders, found the synergy dynamite, if the a-s2100 is 75% of its big brother it probably would pair well with your B&Ws. Would like to hear Luxman but no one in my city carries the brand that I know of.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Yamaha A-S3000 is very nice, I will have a few amps for home audition in next a few weeks, thanks

I'm still using 2 sets of Class D Audio 470C power amp with upgraded power supply, though it's just amp, no DAC and other features.

I have the lower priced Yamaha AS1100 and it’s by far the best integrated I’ve owned and I’ve had a lot. It isn’t perfect but it does so many things right. It beats the naim, Rega, Cambridge, and Sony integrateds I’ve tried in that price range. The 2100 would be my pick

Hi Tharbamar, I must say I enjoy the content of your channel! I would urge you to consider the fabulous Anthem STR Integrated. 200W @ 8 ohms. It has nice built in dac (which is nicely implemented) and phono stage. Large TFT screen that you can read from across the room at your listening position. Made in Canada. The icing on the cake is that the Anthem Room Correction capability is also included. No need to buy a separate Dirac room correction unit. I like the Anthem STR Integrated better than my Yamaha A-S2000 which is also a nice unit. Stereophile rates it Class A. Other Stereophile Class A integrated amplifiers are in the $12K to $20K price range. This is an excellent unit and could be the last integrated amplifier that you will ever buy. It is that good!

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for advice but I’m ld school when is come to Audio I do not like to have room corrections and fancy features because I like to fine tune it my self, thanks

@stevensommer3147

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tharbamar,the room correction can be engaged and disengaged "on the fly". I am running my STR without room correction at present. However, my room is "acoustically challenged" and would benefit from room correction. It is a stunning unit even without room correction and I will tell you that it is one of the few purchases in audio for which I have absolutely no buyers remorse. However, I respect your old school approach! Good luck with your quest!

I’m powering my Rubicon2 with the As2100. People think I’m using a subwoofer 😂 The amp is a beast. At 9 clock my room starts shaking . Superb performer . The heatsinking system is excelent that never got warm

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Their driving power is very good.

Yamaha and Luxman are both on a other level IMHO. I'm searching to for a Intergrated Amp, and it's so difficult choosing the right one. What do you think about MF MX8i, PS audio or Accuphase?

Listen. Listen. Listen. My hegel 360 sounds so awesome to my ears. Pricey yes. Plain yes. The sound is to die for. It drives my impression 11a speakers.

Fantastic post!

The updated Yamaha SA series (1200, 2200) have toroidal instead of iron-core transformers. Not sure what else has changed. They are supposed to start shipping in May, 2020. Price has increased about $300.

my 1st choice is Rogue Pharaoh, close 2nd is Parasound Hint 6, third will be Hegel H190 all based on sound, performance, and features.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Very nice.

Tharbamar thank you for your videos, I watch them whenever I get the chance. I have a Cambridge Audio CXA60 and a Rega Brio 2017 powering my pairs of KEF LS50s (One is for work and the other is for home). I recommend giving them both a listening because they have different sound signatures but I do prefer the Rega sound more because it is has a much more muscular sound, incredible detailed and very expressive from my hearing. While the other is more clear, timing, exciting sounding. They are both impressive, and you can't go wrong with either just different sounding. I love how they both sound, saved up and got them both. LOL. I hope you are able try out all those amplifiers whit your speakers. I look forward to hearing what you decide.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for advice, I do not have experience with Cambridge Amps but I had limited experience with Brio-R it sounded very nice with LS50 I was using at the time but I didn’t like how they sound above 85db personally because it seems that it can’t keep up with the demand from impedance dipping, I need something stronger and ability to drive every speaker but I will try to listen to them again if they have them, thank you.

I don't have the big dollar Yamaha like that. But I've had a few over the years and enjoy my Yamaha amps. They might not have the flashy name of some of the other companies but they seem Rock Solid. That one you're showing look beautiful inside to me the luxman is very nice as well both little out of my price range at this time

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Yamaha A-S2100 sounded better than others I tried except for the Luxman, thanks

I would choose the Yamaha 2100. I have the 1100 and its great!

The Yamaha and the Luxman really look like quality units..inside and out! All the others have long, and even sloppy wire runs? The Yamaha and Luxman get my vote here. I'm actually looking at those two brands, but the higher models each. The A-S3000 and the I-509X.

@jk25653

2 жыл бұрын

which did you end up getting and how do you like their house sound? what components did you pair? I'm looking to upgrade my int amp :D

@jamiesmith6838

2 жыл бұрын

@@jk25653 Hello Josh. In all honesty, I've been waiting for the Lux 509X price to be reached on the pre-owned market. Which doesn't seem to be happening all too often. (Further Proof it's a keeper) Personally, the Yamaha A-S3000/3200 @ 150 wpc 4 ohm looks better to me, but the Lux @ 220 wpc 4 ohm sound reproduction edges on the superior side. Better bass impact & reach. Wider dynamics too. Startle affect. The impression of compression isn't there on Lux when A-B comparisons between the two. The pre-owned A-S3000 is actual closer to my budget tho. But, I see most Japanese spec versions. I will possibly build around the A-S3000 if my dream boat 509x doesn't dock? Now that McIntosh has strongly entered the fray. Doesn't look like Lux nor Yam will be dropping their prices in the pre-owned markets? Until my dream deal, I'll continue listening through my vintage Sansui AU-D11ii. Which to my taste is one hell of an integrated amp in itself. I've owned BAT, Parasound, & Classé. The Sansui is more musical. That's why I'm looking at $8k list amps!

I know this was a year ago but. You had a picture of a Accuhase but it's not on the list. This is equal to luxman or maybe better. what did u get?

Great stuff!

Excellent Video and an eye opener as well. Very well done and compared. Its our hard earned money after all....

I own the Yamaha a-s2100 and it is very nice, but if I could afford it, I would go for the Yamaha a-s3000! I saw a “new in box”one for under 5,000 on eBay today. Happy Shopping!

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

A-S3000 is very nice and great sounding amp for sure but when I saw their separates I was amazed by it and M5000 just won Best Buy Of 2019(High End Category)Award in Japan beating out Accuphase, Luxman and many other high end brands.

@davethewave62

4 жыл бұрын

Tharbamar 26k is way out of my league unfortunately!

Need a good dac with the Yammy, which is probably fine for that price range most people would.

I think that in this price range, you should be able to get something without any major drawbacks. It seems the Yamaha and Luxman models only fit the bill. Trust you ears! There is one integrated component I would suggest, the Moon 340i X with the optional phono section. It has a DAC but you don't need to use it. Everytime I hear a Moon component, it impresses me. Happy shopping!

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

I would love to try Moon or Ayre but no one stock them to audition in my area as far as I know, thanks

Good info, which one did you decide on? It's been about 1 year. Thanks for your Videos, I appreciate your time and efforts. Let me KNOW! THANKS again

Need to hear them but depending on budget the Yamaha or the Luxman

The Luxman, I have heard an it is great, please check them out when you can. There phono stage isn’t bad at all, it’s a very good unit. You are right about balanced and a balanced phono preamp is generally 6 dB louder especially the Sim Audio Moon series. Let us know what you end up with and why.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I’m trying them out every chance I get, thank you.

I would suggest the Musical Fidelity M6500 which unlike the M6 is a true monoblock. You will need a separate phono stage however.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

it's out of my budget, thanks

I think the Luxman was the only one with a MC phono stage (hopefully a good one). You’re into vinyl and if you can get a good MC cartridge that matches your TT’s arm, that would be a plus, especially if you wanted a neat solution. I agree with you being fussy about about the internal build quality and I like to see a big power supply with many quality caps for power delivery and current. Try to audition at home with your components. Thanks and happy new year 🙏

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

I have my Denon DL-301ii and DL-103R for music listening and DL-80 for casual playback. Sound quality is very important for sure but for me most important part for an amp is build quality because I don't change my amp like i change my speakers I don't want the amp that requires bias adjustment every five years or so and wattage is nothing to do with sound quality, only good power supply with quality parts will give good head room, drive power, sound quality and longevity. I did tried most of them in stores except Atoll and Aethos, thanks for the advice, Happy New Year!

Acurus Aries might be another excellent choice! Analog, 200W and great phono stage. Also made in USA. You're welcome.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

I will see if I can find one to listen, thanks

@commane21

4 жыл бұрын

He did say that he doesn't like class D amplifiers.

@audiophile33073

4 жыл бұрын

@@commane21 thanks, didn't realize.

My vote is for the Yamaha AS-2100. Why no Peachtree Audio, or Outlaw???

Any reason why you want on-board phono pre-amp over an external one? I used my onboard Yamaha for years and recently bought a Vincent 701 phono pre amp. It blew me away at the details I was missing with onboard receiver's pre amp.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

I do not like many things on audio rack and latest generation onboard phono stages in Accuphase(Add On), Luxman are better than many external units and I think that new Denon CR type phono stage in high end models like SX1, SX1L, SX11, SX11L are even better than most external phono stages in my opinion, thanks

man, there are so many options at this budget

Nice lineup, looking forward to your choice. I'm surprised you don't have any Naim products included in there. The XS3 or Supernait 3 which would come in just under 5K. Not 100w/ch but high current and with phono stage (even though you could probably do a lot better with dedicated one).

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure I can listen to Naim sound for very long time base on previous experience, that’s why I didn’t include Naim, thanks

@mikecees2230

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tharbamar Just out of curiosity I dropped by a local Naim/Yamaha dealer today and compared the XS 3 against the A-S2100. I honestly preferred the XS 3. Among speakers demoed were the 706 S2. I didn't even bother demoing the Supernait 3 as its price suggested it should be paired with much more expensive speakers than the 706 S2s. Of course if you insist on A/V meters, tone controls and the possibility of connection two sets of speakers then the Yamaha would be a better option. I, on the other hand, prefer the tight punchy bass, small form factor and cool operating temperature of the Naim. I already own the XS 2 but am by no means a Naim fanboy and always try to keep an open mind.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

@@mikecees2230 If you like the sound that's all that count, XS3 is special order only for me. I'm a big fan of Accuphase design and philosophy but too expensive in the U.S. for me to buy. Right now I'm listening to Luxman 505uX2 while braking in, thanks

@Tharbamar, What will be better sounding amp in comparison, Denon PMA 2500 or Yamaha A-S2100 ?

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

I have not heard PMA-2500, Base on one of my audiophile Japanese friend, he like the sound of PMA-2500 more than A-S2100 and he is using it with Dali speakers.

What do you think of the Denon PMA-1600NE? It has dual transformers, similar to your Denon amp you are using now & is built like a tank at just under 50 pounds.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

It is a very good amplifier for the price. Thanks

For Bowers & Wilkins 804n what amp you suggest me ? I am thinking about michi x3, denon pma a110 ,musical fidelity m6 or rotel rb1582 mk2 or 1590 mk2 with his preamp .thx

I have a Marantz 14S1 SE and am very pleased with it...

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Very nice amp indeed.

yamaha.. .. clean design clean sounding everything just seems to be clean and right. never heard the 2100 but i really love the looks of yamaha designs. i just dont know why. my dream amp as 2100..

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

it is a very good quality amp indeed.

I do really love my set up: Nikko Beta 400 PreAmp, 2 HCA's 2200 Mark 2 amplifiers,ATI AT1502 amplifier & Carver A500x amplifier. Thanks for the video info!

Sir, Do you an opinion for the Cambridge Audio CXA81 80 Watt Integrated Stereo Amplifier, aptX HD Bluetooth, Digital And Analogue Inputs. This would be my first Intergrated Amp of the kind I am matchin it with SVS Ultra bookshelf speakers, please give me your opinion on this set up.. This is going in a very small listening area for stereo application only

Yamaha as 2100 will retain its value just as it predecessor ca-2010. I really enjoy its natural sound, and its built like a tank at 52 lb.

Maybe consider the Cayin H-80A, or the JE Audio IS250. There is also the Roksan Blak to consider.

@marksolstafir

4 жыл бұрын

Roksan Blak sounds amazing

Out of all the amps you listed, I personally would go for the Luxman.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

It is very nice sounding amp indeed.

Hegel H190 and Anthem STR are both well reviewed below $5k. PS Audio is also supposed to be releasing a new Stellar integrated next month but not sure if it is going to have a Phono stage built in. Looking forward to your upcoming reviews on Integrated amps.😊

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

I'm staying away from Hegel or Anthem for many reasons and I do not trust any reviewers because as I do some reviews here on my channel and I know how some companies approached to reviewers. PS Audio Stella separates(Pre+M700) sounded not so great for me, they just smooth it down to make hear pleasantly for listener, it's very cheap way to trick many people in my opinion, thanks for advice.

What was the issue with the Hint 6 B amp?

Hi, could you recommend an integrated amp that will get the most out of my WD 225, but not going overkill? I know that they are budget speakers and will not reveal too much, but in wich price tag should i go? Maybe you can give a brand/model? Thanks a lot. To answer to your question, i would choose the Yamaha, because of very good price/performance ratio. In Europe is half of Luxman's price. Best regards!

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Try Denon PMA600NE for D225.

I have the Musical Fidelity, the Yamaha, a Luxman 507II and a Marantz KI pearl lite and they are all great. Also a Nad 3020D and a beautiful McCormack pre-power. The Luxman has become resident but I will say the Musical Fidelity (Muscular Fidelity) gets a run quite often. It has a great sound driving my Audio Physic floorstanders. I love them all but am getting too old to keep switching between amps. Cabling is all Kimber and sources Clearaudio, Oppo, and Bluesound. PS power cables are Isotek and I sometimes use a Dynaudio subwoofer when listening to Digitally Imported's dub, vocal house, psydub etc.

You should do more research about balance inputs. Luxman is only single-ended, not a true balance amp so it will be much better to connect it with RCA inputs for better sound. I have Luxman 509x.

The phono stage in the Yamaha 2100 blows away the stages in the Parasound and Rogue. Rega and Luxman are also known to put good effort into their phono stages.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Thank for the advice.

Just curious to ask if you've looked at any McIntosh products? The MA5300 looks nice, but I have yet to hear it.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I’ve heard them at the stores it is very nice but I only liked their separates, not so much for their integrated amps, thanks

I have the Yamaha AS-2100. Beautiful sound. Built with Japanese parts in ASIA. Very reliable...I have over 6000 hours on it. Never had an issue. COST USD is $3500.00 I would consider the Luxman also for $1000.00 dollars more as it is made in Japan and looks solid like my Yamaha. I would have paid more for my Yamaha to have the made in Japan decal. I wonder how these two compare in sound? I can fully recommend the Yamaha. It is truly amazing.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Made in Yamaha factory in Malaysia.

@vicg5323

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tharbamar i did not know. Thanks. I thought China. Better Malaysia as they have good quality workmanship.

yeah yeah but how do they sound?

The transformers would cost more especially if there are two. If they implement a linear power supply regardless the type of regulation used, the bigger transformer will mean more potential power available unless they incorporate a lot of really good audio grade capacitors. That's why most great sounding amps usually have high weight. For low power output, might not matter. The expensive capacitors usually are reason why very expensive audio gear exists. The heat sinks are cheap, resisters and small caps - cheap.

Nice video, I’ve been researching the exact same thing, with the same sorts of requirements. One question I have, perhaps I am not understanding properly, is your statement that you do not want an integrated DAC. Just because a unit had a built-in DAC doesn’t mean you need to use it, correct? Isn’t that only going to come into play if you use a digital input? If all you are using is analog inputs, the DAC is not being used. Seems like it gives you the option if you ever wanted to connect digital, but doesn’t take away from the analog processing.

@Tharbamar

2 жыл бұрын

Main problem with build-in DAC is, it will be outdated in a few years, another thing I do not like is mixing noisy digital components in analog amp, which I want to keep it pure, thanks

@Hawk89gt

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tharbamar Makes sense, Thanks for the response. I too am not interested in an internal DAC, or internal streaming, etc. for the same sorts of reasons, but was curious on your thoughts. I guess I also see it as paying for something I really don't want. I'd rather the money was put into a great amp than a pretty good amp with a bunch of bells and whistles. Thanks again!

Good vid, but I wouldn’t discount any based on phono preamp. Most are ok at best and many audiophiles just get external ones. I have that Musical Fidelity and it’s pretty robust and rich sounding.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for advice, external phono stage I liked is EQ500 which is expensive, same price as Luxman Amp and even used is around $3g, that’s why I’m sticking with internal phono stage for now until I saved up for EQ500, thank you.

I think you should consider the Hegel pre and power amp. And also the Hegel integrated amp if you don't mind the built-in dac and streamer. As for phono, why not consider the Schiit Mani? Most of the integrated amp does not have a good phono stage, imo.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure I can like their products for 10+ years if they last that long because if I choose an amp I will be using it for very long time that’s why I do not want DAC in my amps, Luxman and top end Denon, Sansui, Marantz, Yamaha comes with better phono stage than many people think and even better MC phono stage.

@JinKwok

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tharbamar If that's the case I would choose and invest in the Luxman amp. Maybe even choose a higher end Luxman.

what did you go with ?

Also consider Musical Fidelity M6si, Rogue Audio Pharaoh, Rega Aethos, McIntosh MA252, and the Pathos Logos mkII. All great amps.

@mk5721

4 жыл бұрын

Whoops, didn't see the Musical Fidelity, Rogue, or Rega on your list. Great minds think alike!

For that kind of money I can get an vintage Sansui Au series with an all time vintage Diatone. I can even make the amp recaped like new. I'm sure you are not gonna have a better match and sound than that unless you spend 10 times more, or even further.

@flrn6233

3 жыл бұрын

@Jingle Nuts You are talking about 7 grand? Must be good for that kind of money. Anyway, I prefer and old recaped vintage amp, that gives me that explosion when the drummer hit the cymbals... new amps and bad in that regard, and for the money they ask... no way!

I have yamaha as 801 but it doesn't meet my expectations, is yamaha as 1100 better than as 801, any yamaha amplifiers beginning from as 1100 must be a better sounding amp

I would sincerely appreciate your opinion of Denon A110 or PMA 1600NE...

@Tharbamar

3 жыл бұрын

2500NE is better buy for me, A110 is same as 2500NE with a few upgraded parts.

I have balanced cables between my Parasound amp-preamp combo, and there is a difference, if for no other difference than the shielded ground. Don't understand an integrated over amp preamp combo over a certain price point though, A preamp is just better without the heat from an amp.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I had P5/A21 combo and balanced cables improved the sound quality. Nowadays integrated amps are designed better than before and air flow is much improved, especially Japanese Amps they don’t get hot at all, it would be a little warm even after long section. Thanks

Go for the Hegel. I have tried all of their range and the H190, or if you can afford it the H360 (dual mono) are brilliant. I comparred to at least 20 Amps from various manufacturers (including some from your list). Both of these Hegels have a damping factor (which indicates the woofer control) of over 4000. Nothing in the test can touch that. Also for power and natural tone they are unmatched. See what you think as your ears will tell u something special is going on. Great soundstage with real depth (which I think is the hardest thing to do accurately). Their DAC's are also brilliant. I had a £1000 award winning DAC and I prefer Hegel's internal one. Plain looks but AMAZING perfromance.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for suggesting, damping factor is marketing because most of the people have no idea about it and most will not be able tell the difference in sound quality when they listen to 300 DF and 3 or 4000 DF specs amps. i.e, 3000 amplifier DF only improved damping factor by 0.31 over the amplifier with a DF spec of only 400 when the speaker is 2ohm load with using 12awg wires. DF specs are good numbers for beginners not for me, it won’t do much, higher DF specs have little effect on sound improvements and most wont be able to tell the difference between good quality amp with 400 DF and 4000 DF, it’s all marketing because they know that people are easy to get through the numbers, they should publish speaker impedance load and amplifier output impedance when it calculated but they won’t because it’ll be very tiny numbers and not impressive for marketing. If you like those amps that’s great but I’m not fan of cheap parts inside their amplifiers, they are way over price for what it is and people are too easy to get to by marketing, those amps sound quality is good only because made by Opera.

@alext2933

4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate what you are saying. Just make sure you audition one, other, or both of my recommendations. Your ears will tell.you the rest.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

I've been auditioning many amps in last 3-4 months, not only from my list, Sometimes I drove over 500 miles to audition one, only things that I have not listen is Atoll and Aethos. I have over 24 years of experience in this hobby, one thing I stop listening is what other people like or think, it does not matter what other thinks because it's all subjective and influence by reviewers and marketing and may or may not work for you or me. No system will sound the best to everyone because we all have different taste and preferences but thanks for the advice.

To me I would rate it as the luxman number 1 Atooll number 2 Yamaha 3 I think I've heard all those amps you have listed

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

I'm trying hard to audition Atoll in200se, thanks

@Constantinos1998

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tharbamar i auditioned the Atoll in300 a few days ago with Kef ls50s and Elac vela bs 403..the sound was very clean and refined with very good dynamics and i think its an amazing intergrated amp for the price... I'm looking forward in buying one and pairing it with my kef R3s!!

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

@@Constantinos1998 I would love to try them but It's not a option for me because no one have them in my area, thanks

So are you going to get the Yamaha or the Luxman lol. (Well Atoll is nice to if you favor transformers over capacitors). I'm sorta intrigued by how a higher end class D would sound and drive various types of speakers (the Marantz), but I'd probably go Yamaha. The only other one in the price range that I think of that got some buzz in the Kinki Studio, that had XLRs, and duel Big Toroids. I tend to look for size of capacitors tho.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Luxman and Yamaha is serious contenders for sure, another reason to consider for me is they have their own factories to make their products which is much different form contract manufacturers, thanks

@michaelmityok1001

4 жыл бұрын

Yes the Kinki integrated has fantastic build quality, more power at 200 watts per channel into 8 ohms, and is in the OPs price range.

@tharmabar What do you think of Cambridge 851A? It seems built well

@Tharbamar

Жыл бұрын

It is nice for the price but please keep in mind amplifiers in this price range sound good to certain level of load and loudness, if you push it they will lose their composure, otherwise it should sound great up to 90-95db range with decent load.

Will this luxman accept 4ohm speakers and what will the wattage be at 4ohms/ or the luxman doesnt accept 4ohm speakers.. thanks.

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it will accept 4ohm speakers.

Tharbamar my choice would be the Yamaha A-S2100 integrated amplifier .

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

I’m seriously considering it, thanks

@vicg5323

4 жыл бұрын

Why?

Moon Neo 240i should be on the list. Otherwise you cant go wrong with the Yamaha, i have one too...

Not sure I agree with your internal observations, but out of that list I wd have the Atoll and Hegel on shortlist. The Atoll is a warmer sound. With the Luxman I wd pay extra for next model up. Also for 5k or just over, you cd buy a Pass XA25 and simple pre amp ie Schiit

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Atoll looks great but each of it’s own, I’m not fan of cheap parts in high price amps like Hegel, I’m going to stick with what I think is better quality that last for very long time.

@willmac5642

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tharbamar maybe the Hint 6 ?

@Tharbamar

4 жыл бұрын

Hint 6 is good but phono stage is not good enough for me, even compared to my current amp but they do have nice clean power though. I might be going to try totally different amplifier in the future, thanks

@willmac5642

4 жыл бұрын

@@Tharbamar the new NAD M33 looks fantastic value, has everything inc new purifi amplification. Lyngdorf TDAI-2170 gets great reviews, similar in many ways. Gato DIA250, one of my favorites, very nice warm sounding class d integrated

I like these 3 Luxman #1, Yamaha # 2, and Marantz # 3.

You may also consider SIM AUDIO MOON 240i...

@marksolstafir

4 жыл бұрын

340 is closer to the 100W power he needs

MOON Neo 340i X also worth considering.