For those shooting .50 cal plains type rifles, this would be an excellent companion piece. I am shocked this didn't catch on. The history geek in me first thinks, "No one want's a repro that never existed." But then look at all the .44 1851 Navy revolvers out there. I kinda want one now..

@MEHubbs

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I'm suprised they did not sell more of them for those who want to simplify ammo. But, the bore size can be misleading when it comes to actual knock down power. A heavy .45 259 grain conical in a standard Dragoon would offer more than the round ball in the .50.

The part where you admitted to not being a good shot, "No, I am not a good shot, but I shoot often." - Theodore Roosevelt. I too can relate.

Wow, DIDNT even know they made anything like this, now the hunt continues, couldn't wait to watch this vid, would love to see more on this revolver an more load testing, thx Mark

@txdocprich_8404

3 жыл бұрын

They don’t. That was made in the 80’s

Very Cool!

That's awesome. I wish they still made the Dragoon in this caliber. 44 is fine but 50 is awesome.

"Hey, Giuseppie, what do you wanna do with the bloody hand-cannon of a gun that is the Dragoon?" "Iunno?" "MOAR." "MOAR!" *"M O A R!"*

Great video, I always anticipate your next productions.

I look forward to this series. lots of cool designs out there. i have a ASM dragoon with a 18 inch barrel but is not set up for a shoulder stock.

Thanks for posting this one Mark, I have ASM 2nd model Dragoon that I bought in the 60s, it has always been a good reliable shooter, although it did have the shooting high problem, it is however right on at 100 yds, it probable has had more rounds through it than any original, but is still reliable. Stay safe! Chris B.

Thank you Mark, I appreciate the video and look forward to more. I have an ASM 1861 Colt that is very fun to shoot.

Wow, that is awsome. I would love to have one that shoots .490 ball. Then it would match my Kentucky 50 caliber and my Hawken 50 caliber. Thanks for sharing

Looking forward to the next one.

I look forward to your up coming ceres.

Those old Colts and reproductions and all that old military stuff, trapdoors etc always shoot so high. Someone should make a slip on front sight blade you could cut to size

Excellent. Thank you for posting

I had ASM 3rd model Dragoon like this. I ended up removing that rear leaf sight it was worthless. I traded it for a Pietta 1860 army that was defarded by John Zimmerman and I still have it. AMS made a great copy of the 1st model 1860 army cartridge conversion.

I owned one of these a few years ago, I purchased from someone that had no idea what they had, nor did I at the time. I paid 300. Tried loading .454 on my first outing, and you can imagine what happened. I eventually miced it at .475-476. I proceeded to load it with .490 balls, and was amazed. I eventually sold it, and regret it. 😢

That's a strong recoil thanks for the video

Alright let's see some more of these imported

Again I love what you do I was able to get out this month I can’t walk anymore we’ll hardly I was pretty active but no more I’ve never fired a dragoon but will in the future so cool have a good day

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. I'm having trouble getting around myself due to two back-to-back injuries, hence I did only one video in 2022. I hope to do more in the coming months.

@stuartturner8229

Жыл бұрын

@@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 y

Great vid & channel! Thanks!

I like you , you seem like a genuine bloke . Cheers from Australia Regards Dan 👍

Yes they do make .50 caliber over powder wads. I use them in my Hawken. And I would surely love to have one of those. Would make a great Deer hunting gun.

I love that gun it’s so legendary.

Great Video, thanks.

Great video. Good thing they’re hard to find otherwise I’d buy one! I’d put a custom front sight on it right off the bat.

Nifty piece of artillery.

This was very interesting. I will now be looking for this Dragoon in .50 cal.. Hey man, I've been considering a pistol rest as I've gotten older and I compare it to when I first needed reading glasses. At first I fought it and fought it but now they're the first things I look for, lol. Actually, if you're shooting about 18 inches high, shooting off hand probably wouldn't matter too much. Thanks again for a really great video. Stay safe.

Nice beast Mark !!!

@kevinamerio8105

3 жыл бұрын

Btw ,Love the Johnston and Dow bullets those suckers hit hard!!!👍🏽

Maybe a taller front sight would fix the POA problem,and love how the guy next to you was shooting a Smith carbine

That is kinda neat. Would totally go for one.

This revolver comes with its own smoke screen.

Cut a dovetail for a Mauser front sight and slide one on. I did this on one of my 1851 Piettas and it worked great.

I love that gun!😉👍

Nice video

If you put a 240 grain 490 diameter particle blood in it a PA type carnival bullet in it it is made for a Kentucky long rifle it's easy to load that type of projectile in that revolver with 50 grains of powder and you have the knockdown power of the original 44 Magnum revolver of Smith & Wesson's 29 you use that type of projectile in it with a hollowed base and put a button patch on top of it you have a decent gun to do some decent things with as a home defender and anything it gets in its way you cut them in half with that projectile I have dropped deer with that projectile I have no problems with a 240 grain projectile out of a 50 caliber gun

You have the handsomest extras in your movies! :)

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed! They work for peanuts too!

Cool gun I always liked guns representing America's wild west. The lever that pushes the ball into the cylinder reminds me of the way you load a .177 caliber into and cock the Daisy 188 pistol.

This is one of those things that you don't know you want until you know it exists.

Very interesting history. So how do you put a new front sight in these pistols?

Never saw a .50 cal. Dragoon before. Nice. Apparently it is sighted in to shoot really tall people even though the average height in those days was probably 5-7” to 5-10”. Just aim at the shins.

You can use a Tig torch to clad some brass to the steel for a taller sight.

Hey I've got a question for you you ever thought of using a PA type chronicle bullet in that revolver with a button patch that's a 240 grain projectile for a Kentucky long rifle but it's the perfect projectile to put inside that revolver for better accuracy for deer hunting it's almost like a buffalo bullet a hollowed out base and you put a button patch on top of it you got yourself a deadly deer killing pistol right there that is the most awesome pistol I've ever seen I like to see you shoot it a target with a PA type chronicle bullet for a 50 caliber out of that revolver with 45 grains of powder that will not down anything it gets into your front sight that is an awesome way of putting meat in the freezer the carnicle bullet is a 490 diameter 50 caliber PA type chronicle bullet that would do anything that you need to do

Do you know if the common sight picture back then was a “fine bead”, where you just have the very tip of the front sight visible in the bottom of the rear notch? My dad taught me to aim that way back in the 1960’s, rather than today’s practice of lining up the top of the bead with the top of the rear sight. Try it and see how much that helps.

Thanks for the video. I have a similar 3rd model (in .44) and a walker and paterson from the 60s-70s and nobody has been able to tell me who made them. However the script and markings on your cylinder lead me to believe that maybe mine are ASMs. Mine don't have any PN or proof marks that I've found and I assume they've been defarb'ed. Does your cylinder have a "G" stamped anywhere? That's the only stamping I can find on mine.

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

3 жыл бұрын

I don't recall a "G" on this one. This one has its maker's marking hidden under the loading lever, it is has the standard proofs, serial # and date stamp on the frame where it meets the barrel, with more proofs and serial number on the barrel.

Nice Dragoon also nice hat!

@brianwinters4991

3 жыл бұрын

Not many people know what a roxor is .

@guyfox1206

3 жыл бұрын

@@brianwinters4991 I'm sure you're right, makes me sad though my Roxor is my favorite toy that doesn't shoot things

Great video sir that is an amazing gun have you shot it at say50 yards or longer

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

3 жыл бұрын

Not yet, but it will happen.

Love your videos, because you go into detail and show target results. I have an ASM baby dragoon .31 that is surprisingly accurate. I have always felt that Shoulder stocks should be available for Walkers & Dragoons, but they must be cost prohibitive or they would exist. I have a Whitneyville Dragoon that shoots very well, but it needs a shoulder stock too.

@txdocprich_8404

3 жыл бұрын

They aren’t hard to build

@robertrobert7924

3 жыл бұрын

@@txdocprich_8404 Please enlighten me as to the metal machining that would be required. I know how to do the wood work.

@wildrangeringreen

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertrobert7924 on almost every pistol stock I have seen (mid 1700's- early 1900's), generally there is either a hole in the butt of the grip/low on the backstrap or a set of pins soldered on to the grip frame to attach a hook; and this hook is usually pinned/welded into the metal fitting on the "wrist" of the stock. Also, in this metal fitting, there is a hole through which a threaded rod passes, to which another hook is welded/soldered/formed, which hooks into another hole/depression or onto another set of pins high on the grip. The threaded rod then has a nut threaded on to tighten and loosen the entire thing to get it on and off. Look up "S&W's Pistol-Carbine for the South Australian Police" (Forgotten Weapons), to get an idea of what I'm talking about. They can be put together pretty simply, after all, there were pistols in the 1700's that had this set-up.

@exexpat11

2 жыл бұрын

You can get them... However many cost as much as the pistol themselves from Pietta and Uberti.

@robertrobert7924

2 жыл бұрын

@@exexpat11 Neither U nor P makes them anymore. I have one for my Pietta 1860 Army that I bought decades ago and I love it.

Great video about a gun I've only heard about, do you think a reproduction Walker cylinder can be drilled out to shoot the.490 ball? Do you ever get into shooting original rimfire ammo?

@eclipsegst9419

11 ай бұрын

only way to know is take the micrometer to it and do the math and see if there is enough material. The barrel might be trickier, it would need new rifling, but its possible you could use a cut down hex rifle barrel. Probably more work than it's worth unless these are fetching insane prices nowdays though.

The pocket musketoon

Never knew this revolver was made. Did you try shooting it at longer ranges such as 40 or 50 yards? Also, what part of Alabama are you located in?

I’d be more apt to buy a dragoon now if Uberti would make them in .50

It would be good if uberti would make a .50 caliber 5 shot dragoon that could handle a 60 grain load of 3f black powder. That would make a great wild boar gun

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

2 жыл бұрын

It would be interesting. But I found that shooting the standard .44 with a heavy conical will do better than this .50 shooting a round ball. The concept is cool, but really does not offer much advantage if you choose the right bullet.

@Matzah1982

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. A 40 grain load of 3f and a 200 grain conical from a .44 dragoon would actually be a more powerful load than a 180 grain .50 round ball and even a 50 grain load of 3f. The conical would penetrate deeper than the round ball would even with extra powder

Well now I have to find one 50 caliber where can I find one or buy one

Thanks again Mark. Not many percussion revolvers catch me off guard. I was not aware that ASM ever made a .50 cal. revolver. Do you know if it was marketed as a .50 cal. or was it an anomaly. I know that in the 70's and 80's the Italians did some strange things like some of the early 1851 Navys are about 98% the size of an original. This would be an interesting research road to go down. What a thumper. Thanks again.

@davekoenig9935

3 жыл бұрын

I remember advertisements and a puff write up, but these honkers never made it in the markets. Man killer, not horse killer. 50 Rem. Roller C F might have made a neato converter cartridge, but not a match here. Remember all of these are rifled for round balls. So they don’t fully stabilize longer bullets. To duplicate a 45 Scofield’s 230 gr. Slug with a round ball requires a five shot cylinder version of the Dragoon or Walker. 54 cal. Harper’s Ferry Lewis and Clark Flintlocks used a .520-.530” ball with a thick patch, including frontier Indian tanned leather. A 220 gr. Bullet was used from 1803, through 1903 in rifles. And then John Browning introduced the 1904 vintage 45 acp handgun and submachine gun cartridge.

@leighfreeman5603

3 жыл бұрын

​@@davekoenig9935 Taylors and Company will sell you a 6 shot conversion cylinders in 45 Scofield for a Walker

@davekoenig9935

3 жыл бұрын

@@leighfreeman5603 I didn’t want to spout off. My ASP Brescia 1858 Remmie uses a quarter inch base pin just like a Colt Peacemaker’s. The chambers are canted out one half degree to squeeze in the larger Schofield rims. This is licensed off a Howell patent?? But Colt did the same with their short lived 476 bore six shooter. The Dragoons use larger dia. arbors which crowd the Schofield rims from the center out, not counting the ratchets which Taylor’s put mine, at least in the backing plate, holding six firing pins. I e mailed Howell about milling a set of 45 Colt rim recesses into one of his 45 acp converters for 45 Cowboy Special ammo, but he refused to. So I’ve purchased a Ruger New Vaquero in 45 acp which was hand picked at Lipsey’s to have the necessary clearances at the back of the Birdshead’s blued cylinder. It is still a work in progress after $100. in tuning springs and uniforming it’s chamber throats. But the local Lipsey’s retailer gave me a big discount, so I am still under Ruger’s MSRP!

Comparisions regarding strenght of cylinders cannot be meaursed in the manner as you do in video.

What a good idea! Uberti and Pietta? Where are you on this?

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

2 жыл бұрын

This one was made by Arm-San Marco many years ago

@exexpat11

2 жыл бұрын

@@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 I know. But such a good idea! The Big Two should consider it.

Dear Mark, Do you or know of anyone selling conicals? I’m interested in trying them out but don’t wanna buy a mold just yet. Not until I find the right kind of conical that I like. Also, do you have a p.o.c. For where I can also try out those Ojama hunting rounds? Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

3 жыл бұрын

Jim Thoma sells a few Eras Gone cast bullets. Papercartridges dot com, sells all of them I believe.

@shibblesshalzabot6320

3 жыл бұрын

Eras Gone Bullet Molds Thanks!

Thanks for showing that. Hmm. Well I could sort of see a use for it if a person had a 50 ML rifle that took 490 ball and wanted to use the same ammunition. On the other hand the pistol and rifle wouldn’t necessarily use the same powder. Although they could, it wouldn’t be optimum. So the 490 is going to weigh what, around 175, to not quite 180? So as I recall I can get 45 grains under a compact 225 grain conical (Accurate Molds 45-225L) in a Walker with room for a lube cookie underneath. 40 grains or so in the 44 Dragoon with the same bullet. So in terms of ballistic performance, or KE, the 44 with a conical still equals or beats the 50 with RB. That’s not to say I wouldn’t own one if given the opportunity though. It’s kind of a cool idea!

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

2 жыл бұрын

You are exactly right. This might be of utility if you had a .50 rifle and wanted to keep the same round balls in your shooting pouch. Other wise, a 259 grain Dragoon bullet in a .44 would offer more energy than the 175 grn round ball in this .49 caliber revolver.

My wrists hurt already.

How’s this shoot at 75 or 100 yards?

I was under the impression that ALL Dragoons were .50, and that it was the Walkers that were .45. O.o

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

2 жыл бұрын

All three models of the Colt Dragoon were in the same caliber as the .44 Caliber Walker.

The sights on the dragoon was meant for a longer range than 25 yards. Like 40 +

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

2 жыл бұрын

Actually probably sighted for 75 yards or more.

You think an uberti dragoon could be bored and rifled in .490?

Gun was engineered the shoot on center at a 100 yd.

Well one thing about it is if it shoots real high it's great for long distances on a whitetail deer the maximum grain of powder in there is probably 40 grains of powder that's plenty a knockdown power to drop a deer and I would like to see you use that on a deer hunt because that's what I want to do mine for if I can find one if you can send me the information to where you got that revolver in 50 caliber lagoon and I would love to go deer hunting with that please get back with me on that would you please and the information that I can get a catalog from them so I can find a good place to hunt deer with that good looking revolver thank you

Where can I find one for sale I would like one of 50 caliber revolvers that'd be freaking awesome normally with a black powder rifle using ball and cat and I have for a long time so 50 caliber revolver that would be like freaking sweet

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

2 жыл бұрын

They only made a handful of these many years ago. You have to keep an eye on the use market.

Woo-doggy! This Boss smokes like a pony car chasing my Hemi!

That front sight is just brazed on. Take it to a good Gunsmith and have a new front sight installed. The other thing you can do is reduce the powder charge. Or, maybe since it is a .50 caliber, use 2F powder instead of 3F. That's the joy of Black powder.

I'm in Alabama, what range is that?

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

6 ай бұрын

Swan Creek public range. I also sometimes shoot over at Skyline range.

4:40 Did the guy behind him have an accidental discharge .

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

2 жыл бұрын

No, what you saw fly by was a just a bird passing through. If the bird had a accidental discharge. he musta been too embarrassed to stop and talk about it.

Why not set up an aiming point bellow the impact area and take out the variable of an “imaginary” aiming point?

What’s the name of your intro music I want it?

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

3 жыл бұрын

Fermin, the intro is a few bars to an instrumental version of Stephen Foster's "Hard Times Come Again No More." This came from a very old CD. You can find many versions of it on You Tube.

@Platano_macho

3 жыл бұрын

@@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 thank you so much buddy

@Platano_macho

3 жыл бұрын

@@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400 ok found it by wildwood flower thank you

u should put wheels on ur little cannon

So how do I find me one of these??

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

Жыл бұрын

Keep an eye out on the used market. That is now the only source.

@StevenMMan

Жыл бұрын

@Eras Gone Historical Molds long wanted to build a super Remington new army. Now I haven't the eyes to do it myself not even the ruger conversion guy is doing them over supply issues

@erasgonehistoricalmolds2400

Жыл бұрын

@@StevenMMan Somthing to keep in mind, a .44 conical bullet is much heavier than a .490 round ball. So, you can actually get more FT LBs of energy from a .44 than you can with this .50 using a round ball.

@StevenMMan

Жыл бұрын

@Eras Gone Historical Molds correct. I've been using conicals in Remingtons since about 1982. I love your work and the historical accuracy of said accomplishments. Me last couple of years I've want ahead and design my own bullets. Probably never able to sell any as I at the age and heath to really get to serious about it. I have bullets in the all three main calibers, but mainly focused is on .44 for my Grizzly country home. Jeremy of leverguns50 has tested two of my lightest at 165, 190 grains. And the tested my heaviest of my walker bullets at 270 lever guns got his walker near 1000fps for completepenetration ofv32" of gel. Based on his test my lead isn't as pure as i thought. If you look it up you can see what i have does differ from Kaido, but again not willing to call it a success. Yes I was a long time Wyoming resident. If your interested in just seeing some pictures of what I have put together I be glad to follow up. This my special approach to single shot muzzeloader with still a bp backup. Recently I have add a Rodgers and Spencer to my test platforms. Mountain man

Want to sell that 50 cal?

I was about to jump all over you over the .50 issue. So this one is just one of the other unhistorical versions of the original Colts. No big deal.

I never cared for ASM quality. They always look the cheapest made out of all the Black Powder manufacturers. Still an Interesting variation. Not authentic so it's not for me, but Interesting. Still it looks like they took the standard cylinder and reamed larger chambers into it. Even though it is modern steel and theoretically stronger, I would still be very nervous about putting large charges through it. I would stick to 25-30 grains and no more, especially if using a large slug in the chamber.

Guns from eras more recently gone.

*thebigirononhiship*

Hey don't you understand when you pull that hammer back the rear sight is on the hammer it's notched that is your rear sight you don't need to put a rear sight on that revolver on the barrel you look at the hammer and the hammer is your rear sight it's notched don't you realize that when you pull back a 44 caliber cap and ball revolver it is notched on every coat revolver that's your rear sight use it that way

@ericbainter826

3 жыл бұрын

I think he understands about the notch. The “rifle” sights on the rear of the barrel are historically correct for a subset of Dragoons, 1851/1861 Navy models, and 1860 Army models that came from the factory modified to take a shoulder stock like this one: www.icollector.com/item.aspx?i=15999664. He notes that it’s odd that ASM put on these sights but not the other modifications that allow attachment of a reproduction stock. But then it’s also odd that ASM made this an ahistorical .50 cal. Fun tho.

They're trying to rewrite it the Second Amendment

Have you heard they trying to write the Second Amendment they trying to change it let the people know we have to fight for that