As somebody who unconditionally loves coffee, cigarrettes and guns; this video makes me quite happy.

@swapmeetlus4096

4 жыл бұрын

Owlpunk gonna smoke my gun while I sip on a cartridge and my cigarettes boil

@swapmeetlus4096

4 жыл бұрын

Owlpunk gonna smoke my gun while I sip on a cartridge and my cigarettes boil

@Owlpunk

4 жыл бұрын

@@swapmeetlus4096 that's the life!

@onlythewise1

3 жыл бұрын

light my cigarette with my gun

@charredskeleton

3 жыл бұрын

@@swapmeetlus4096 Whisky at sun rise. Is there any other way to live?

I've been rolling my own for about two years now, thanks to you, Dustin, Mark, and a few others. I actually enjoy making the combustible envelopes a tad more than shooting them--clean up is faster. Mike, thank you for getting me into a fun hobby.

That 44 conical definitely hits hard. "Deadly" would be an understatement for that wicked looking slug.

I loved all the videos you did on the cartridge and the modifications you made on your pistol. I was looking forward to this installment.

Mike I'm using "Sally Beauty" end wrap paper. It's for hair curling. I know!! You can buy it on line, it's super cheap and one box will make hundreds of cartridges. It's very thin and has always been completely consumed. Great tip on the Elmers glue stick. Thanks again for your hard work and great info.

Did ya git im?.. dono. Wait till the smoke clears and well see..

Hey Mike, Thanks to you I now shoot my BP revolver way more than my modern firearms. Love you videos! Anytime I have a question I always look to your videos for the answer and they never fail to deliver. Keep up the good work!

@blueduck9409

Жыл бұрын

BP is cheaper to shoot, and is not on anybodys political shet list.

This is pretty hard core. Like reminds me of Elmer Keith, modifying his stuff and making his own loads. Pretty sweet

This is technically caseless ammunition

@cheetodorito7403

4 жыл бұрын

John Chrysostom Rev 3:9 Pauly's were closer to the Ones we use today.

@Sigmar_Heldenhammer

3 жыл бұрын

............ holy shit.....

@dustinh4175

3 жыл бұрын

A non metallic cartridge

@djketoldaluusbkabel585

3 жыл бұрын

it does what a caseless ammunition wants to do, but it's still encased in paper

Wonderful Video with great action sequences! No visible Hate mongering that I could see. Good Job Mike.

Outstanding Mike! That 1860 sure shoots consistently. And those paper cartridges sure work well. Great video Mike! Really enjoyed watching it.

@tyrssen1

7 жыл бұрын

(Of course, it helps that Mike can shoot the eye out of a fly ... !)

I never miss any of your videos.

awesome vide mike. such a fascinating hobby and i cant wait to start mine own. the flintlock you suggested is awesome and i cant wait til its in my collection and going to the range and one day on the hunt. cheers mike.

Great videos Mike. I used the salon perm papers from the beauty supply for my cartridges.

iv learned not to use glue for cig rolling paper, it holds together well with just spit, good enough for cigaretts good enough for cartrages

@dustinh4175

3 жыл бұрын

Papers are pre glued

Now this is a gun enthusiast, make his own ammo and modifies his weapon to use said ammo. Respect 🤘😭

@remcodenouden5019

4 жыл бұрын

Man I love your firearm laws, this isn't even considered a firearm in the US!

@dolsopolar

4 жыл бұрын

How was it modified

Nice cartridges! I've made them before with round balls and they come in handy at the range. Great shooting as well!!

Greetings from Poland (old continent), I subscribed to your channel (now at 36yo), because I fulfilled my childhood dream of becoming a cowboy (black powder beginner) :) Those bottle shots near the end.... I WANT TO SHOOT LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE, especially the 2liter bottle having her cap shot off clean!

SOMETHING I always wanted was an 1860's type pistol. I also would love to do a Kentucky long gun. My dad was into black powder. I remember him making a kit derringer when I was a teen ager. I enjoyed firing it on the weekends with him. I got a Gander mountain black powder rifle to hunt with using the Pelladex preformed powder charges and doing that for a while. It extended my hunting season into December. Now that I am disabled, I hate cold temperatures.

@russellkeeling4387

10 ай бұрын

Something I can tell you about a long gun from my own experience. The longer the barrel the larger the caliber you'll want. A small caliber barrel seems to foul badly, much faster than a large caliber barrel. There's nothing so fun as having a fun day shooting your rifle and breaking you rod because the barrel is fouled so bad it's difficult to load.

Another great video. Thanks Mike!

Learning something every time I watch!!

I love how some people think the cap n ball revolvers are underpowered, the Colt Army especially with the conicals is anything but underpowered.

@63DW89A

7 жыл бұрын

The heavy wallop of that 44 conical is clearly evident. Definitely would not want to be on the receiving end. Would likely take a horse down effectively too.

@LarryTalbot_1313

4 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see some wiseguy say that to someone holding a Walker!

@JavierChiappa

4 жыл бұрын

Texas Red though the .44 was underpowered. But he made one fatal slip , When he tried to match the Ranger , With the big iron on his hip.

@murderouskitten2577

4 жыл бұрын

well , underpowered or not , it still is effective weapon !

duelist1954 You have saved my ass with the advice you gave me on fixing my Remington 58..44cal. Stripped trigger spring screw. I used the advice you explained bought the easy out bits and I was not only able to extract the screw but I didn't have any damage to the threads on the screw or the frame so I carefully filed a little groove in the screw and reinstalled it! No problem! 1st time's a charm! Thanks again forever faithful subscriber. Brian Myers...

@duelist1954

4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad it worked out for you.

@brianmyers576

4 жыл бұрын

@@duelist1954 It's a one chance system but if you take your time it will work like a charm w/out marring the threads to heck too...lol Thanks again sir..

Great Mike. Thanks for sharing.

You did a good job on those cartridges Mike.

I have a Uberti 1860 army. The dam thing fell apart on me. First the front sight fell of so I made a new on from an AR-15 bolt stop and used electrical solder to fasten it on. Came out nice. Then the barrel wedge didn't hold the barrel on tight so I made a new on from a piece of hardware store bracket. then the cylinder stop broke. $30 for a new one. The ram catch fell apart along with the catch mount. Had to fix that. I got lucky because now the pistol is 100% tight, accurate, and dependable. I learned how to do all that from videos like this one.

Great video. But my weird sense of humor thought when it heard coffee Filter paper was "Decaffeinated or Regular?"

That was a cool historical exercise! For just shooting at the range, loose ball and powder would be more efficient, taking in account all the time it takes to make them. These would seem ideal for a period hunter or backpacker though.

Mike, I dig the hell out of your hat!

JUST KIDDEN YOUR A GREAT SHOT !!! BRAVO !!

Thanks for posting your video, I liked it :-)

Mike: There's a bunch of Union officer reenactors at my club; they swear by hair curling paper (post below duly noted) that's also nitrated. Doesn't seem to leave any residue in the cylinders and is supposedly thinner than cig paper. The glue used is heavily watered down Elmers swiped on with a fine artist's brush.

Hi Mike. I bought one of those Johnston & Dow molds. I shot some today. I had to modify the top of my loading lever because the tips of the bullets will round down if you don't. Also, if you put a wonder wad in the cartridge, you can only get about 20gr of FFF black in the cartridge or the bullet, being so large, will not seat far enough.

Love your KZread video's. Keep up the good work. I have a Pietta .44 caliber cap & ball revolver. Plan to make paper cartridges as soon as I receive the Kit I ordered from "Guns of the west". Thanks for all you do. honor and respect.

Wonderful set of videos on this subject Mike. Have you done a similar one for the 36 caliber models?

Love the idea of making my own cartridges. I powder coat my lead. Shoots just like a jacketed bullet. No lube required. Have to size the lead though.

Ive been experiencing with cigarette rolling papers and coffee filters too with laquercellulose spray too. I started using tea bag papers a Gorilla school glue stick and after 36 rounds of teabag papers cartridges using 28 grains of Goex fffg and I had a little bit of u burned paper in two chambers, so I am guessing that these tea bags are working better, well at least so far. Thank you for sharing, me and my wife love your videos.

Great video. Didn't think about coffee filter paper.

Love your videos, Mike. A question about the snail capper: do you store your caps in the capper or do you put them back in the tin? I just bought a capper and wondered if leaving the caps in it would allow moisture to degrade them.

Woo! Them coffee filter cartridges are awesome! Evil Roy is getn the blues!

Just curious, but what about using Lee liquid alox and tumble lubing the bullets prior to loading in the cartridge? I have never loaded paper cartridge yet, thanks for the video. I find this and paper patching both to be fascinating subjects. I think this had given me the excuse to go buy a black powder revolver!

I love this video! Wow! It always amazes me how you never get a stuck cap. I guess these paper cartridges prevent chain fire? Sadly I experienced that too often even after I lube the chambers.

@blueduck9409

Жыл бұрын

Your nipples need replacing, or you are not shooting the right size caps.

12:00 dang you shot his block clean off XD I can just feel the love you have for these beautiful firearms.

Just subscribed to your channel I’m just getting into black powder shooting in the uk when our range finally opens, just loaded up my first 12 44 paper cartridges today.

@duelist1954

4 жыл бұрын

Colin Vic-Goss Excellent!

Thanks for the info good shootin too!

I always love your cool outfits, sir! :)

That's banging you can tell by the recoil that isn't lackin much wouldn't wanna be in front of that.

I've been making my own out of natural rolling papers I am not sure what they are made out of probably hemp but the paper is brown and very thin but strong enough for me to really pack the powder down and it makes it feel like an actual bullet once it's made up I can drop it on the powder end and it will bounce off of the floor

I use very light gift wrapping paper saturated with potassium nitrate and punch a hole in the rear if each paper cartridge as I load it into the cylinder. Works great..but no matter what you do there will always be residue.

One thing I’ve thought a lot about doing is making three piece ammunition, Basically the powder is kept like a cannons powder in a paper cartridge that’s just pushed inside, followed by the bullet, then the cap on the back. The reason for this is almost exclusively because it may allow you to more easily load the things if it’s not fitted right. I’ll probably never use it, but if I do I’ll probably use it in a blunderbuss or some shit.

Wow that Army model looks like a very powerful handgun 😮

As always another very informative video. The subject that would be very interesting from my point of view is the following. I have both an Enfield and Springfield in .577 cal, that used the "minnie" type projectile. For both of these rifles I have failed to achieve any type of accuracy at distances of 100 yards or greater. The bullets are all cast from pure lead and besides the ones produced by myself I have tried others. Any input would be appreciated.

The 1869 was one of the iconic pistols, but the new model Remington was the king of c&b revolvers. I'm not sure I would've traded my dragoon. 60gr down to less than 30 in the army

I haven t tried it yet, I m going to use that light brown wrapping paper, brush it with 'black powder water' and make some test cartridges with that. Mainly I m wanting to test this with an 1859 Sharps.

I don't know Mike. I've worked with wax before for bronze casting. Getting a little thread of it isn't really that hard. I'm sure you could even find a routine to make a big long string of it with consistent diameter.

Nice shooting dude

Swingin' Sam and the circle gang? that's funny. I do think you're guilty of shooting an unarmed gang of steel discs. Plus you have way too much fun doing it!

I bought a kit for rolling cartridges for a .36 cal. pistol. I rolled up a bunch and took them to the range. I made my own paper by soaking coffee filters in a potassium water mixture and letting them dry. I have a couple problems with them. First I believe the load size of my kit is about 15 grain of fffg powder but I normally use 20 grains so the power level was way down. Also the paper I used burns well if I just light it but when fired it leaves a ring in the cylinder where the paper is two layers thick. It loads and fires fine but after shooting I have to use a pick to pull the paper rings from the cylinder. I guess my concentration of potassium nitrate when soaking the paper wasn't high enough or maybe the glue was to dense at that point. Before I load any more I'm going to extend the block to be able to lengthen the cartridge and use more powder. Otherwise I really like the paper cartridges. Loading is sooooo much faster.

Mike, I didn't notice any cap sucking goin' on. Did you do the mod from your "cap sucking" video or do you think it was the Slix Shots?...great vid by the way...keep 'em coming!

I fire all the old Colts, and by far! The 60 Army is the best performer (attachable breech stock doesn t really do anything). It s light, well balanced and powerful! I m working on 75 and 100yd targets. At 50yds, quite accurate and with good penetration/mass effect. 195 'Richmond' style w/27gFFFg BP.

Super video ))I have a question why you do not use grease or can you omit it? Greetings from Poland

hey Mike do you also have a video on like this one for the 1858 Remington's?

@duelist1954

7 жыл бұрын

No

@Platano_macho

7 жыл бұрын

duelist1954 will you make one?

@duelist1954

7 жыл бұрын

I don't plan to, but I'll consider it.

@tyrssen1

7 жыл бұрын

I'd appreciate that as well. I'll just have to look into this 'ere newfangled cartridge stuff ...!

have you thought about melting beeswax and just quick dipping the cartridge into the wax? it might not be perfect but it sounds like it would help on time consumption.

@commonconservative7551

5 жыл бұрын

I think they would swell up , plus the thickness of the wax......I was wondering about using wax paper, but would the glue need to be pinesap?

Good vrdeo, I really liked it.

Good video buddy thank you! Thumbs up ~John

You're a good shot!

I bet these been glued back in the day with a gelatin (skins) based hot mix - once it cools of it sets in an instance. Agar agar also works, that the base to old school japanese wood glue. What ever is easier to get grocery shopping, pick up and try. It will work quicker and burn more easily - that why also used to this day in firework shell production. This glue can be also enhanced with saltpeter unless thinned with ethanol. Once the cartridge is finished, dip the bullet in hot liquid tallow and wax mix that is thinned with some spirit for quicker drying.

Mike, apparently the Arsenals and most contractors dipped the cartridges nose first to the paper in a tallow beeswax lube, 8 to 1 beeswax, this is according to Mark Hubbs in his loading video.

OK Mike, did you modify your loading lever rammer to keep the bullet tips from being rounded. My Pietta rounds the point. I notice, your gun did not. Did you modify it? Mark Hubbs said he was working on a video to modify the rammer to get results like yours.

@duelist1954

7 жыл бұрын

No, because I'm using an Uberti 1860. Uberti plungers are made like the originals for conicals. If you have a Pietta gun you'll need to put an Uberti plunger on it.

@EdmundMar

3 жыл бұрын

Hmmm, has anyone put the pietta round ball plunger on a WALKER?

Nice shooting Mike! Do you have to do the same modifications to a Pietta 1851 navy? Also how do you do the music at the beginning and the end of the video?

@duelist1954

7 жыл бұрын

I don't think so, but I haven't tried. I know my Uberti 1851 Navy required no modification...I assume you are talking about .36 caliber? If you are talking about Pietta's .44 caliber 1851, it can't be done at all. The loading window under the barrel is barely big enough for a round ball. I buy the rights to use a piece of music, then I just edit it into the movie using Final Cut Pro X

@markonhistory514

7 жыл бұрын

Actually I have a 44 caliber but that's good to know that I can't do that so I won't even try to cut a spot out. And thank you for the info!

I wonder if you put some KNO3 in a water base glue whether that would help all the paper combust

Good shooting there cowboy

Im with you. Load 5 stay alive! There's simply a right way.

This is very cool, always thought about why didn't they just make paper cartridges instead of doing the whole muzzleloading thing and now I learned that they actually did start doing that so thank you for the history lesson. I just got a small question is I didn't see a primer on any of the paper bullets and I assume you have a way of loading the primers but I didn't see that in this video. I am interested to see how that works. if you have posted a video on the complete in and out of the gun you were using I would love to see it. Keep up the history.

@remcodenouden5019

4 жыл бұрын

If you look at 3:45 you see nipples at the back of the cilinder. This is where you put the percussion caps (primers) so they are not fully self-contained cartridges, you still have to manually place primers on all the nipples of the cilinder

@acratone8300

4 жыл бұрын

@ Shane... In the American Revolutionary war, both sides used paper cartridges in their muskets. Leather boxes worn on the belt had wooden blocks inside with holes drilled in the boxes, a prepared paper cartridge in each hole. In the English Civil War (About 1640 A.D.) the soldiers wore a leather bandolier (in other words a strap) over their shoulder. Leather thongs were attached to the bandolier. From each thong hung a little wooden cylinder filled with a measured amount of powder. The wooden lid on each wooden cylinder was held with a leather thong attached to its cylinder so the little lids would not get lost. They did not use paper nor cloth wrapped cartridges in those days because paper or cloth was *very* expensive compared with the powder and ball. This is also why patched balls were not used in muskets during many of the early centuries (the cloth or paper was way too expensive). So they used a hunk of hemp (called tow) over the powder, then the ball, then another hunk of tow to hold the ball tight to the powder.

@acratone8300

4 жыл бұрын

......The hunk of tow looked a little bit like the small wad of cotton that you pull out the top of a Bayer aspirin bottle, only the hunk was larger. You could use cotton, I suppose. I use tow in replicas of very old muzzle loaders, it can be bought in bundles online.

Good series Mike. I guess no one makes these cartridges. Seems like if someone would, I'm the end they would end up selling more of these pistols. Also, does the 1858 New Army Remmington replica need to be modified to accept these cartridges. Thanks for doing what you do.

@duelist1954

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, Remington's need to be modified. Pietta's can't even accept the J&D conical, let alone a cartridge...the plunger itself is too long. Uberti is better but still needs work.

@MrBillinoregon

5 жыл бұрын

@@duelist1954 This is good information, as I had the same question. Thanks Mike.

I can get 30 gr. behind a J&D conical in my Pietta 1860, but that is max. For lube, I just use Alox, but I've dipped the bullets in bees wax and Crisco mixed. Pretty much all I shoot now is paper cartridges (tho I make them different than the traditional wrap with cap).

Okay, that last view right down the muzzle as you fire was really cool. How close to the target did you have to set your camera?

@duelist1954

6 жыл бұрын

A couple of inches behind and above the steel target

Great shooting Mike. i'm afraid to say with my revolver I'm about as good as a blind bat with its radar switched off!! Well, perhaps a little better than that but not much. Like the outfit.

Great vid Mike. I have the Pietta 1858 Remington. Will those conicals work with that ok or would I need to mod the frame as well? Also, I powder coat my cast bullets. Doing that, would it preclude the need for lubing if I did the paper cartridges?

@duelist1954

7 жыл бұрын

They won't work unless you mod the plunger, which is too long, and which needs to be deepened for the J&D's bullet's pointed ogive.

@6Sally5

7 жыл бұрын

duelist1954 Thanks for the reply. I guess I will need to try to find a different conical. I am not up to speed on modifying my firearms.

@gussie88bunny

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Alan. A buddy now uses powder coated bullets in his black powder guns. He reports it made no difference to powder fouling, but likes it to stop leading of the rifling, and to keep his fingers off lead coz his latest blood tests showed excessive heavy metals. So yeah, a good idea regardless, but doesn't preclude the benefit of lubed bullets. Cheers and safe shooting, Gus

Great video as always. My only gripe with the paper cartridge concept is how are they any more convenient if they leave un-burnt paper after shooting a cylinder's worth?

@Bloo0969

7 жыл бұрын

You just use glue and paper that will totally combust. I have a recipe made from flour and sugar that burns up completely.

@duelist1954

7 жыл бұрын

The un-burned bases don't actually affect the next round in that chamber from firing. They are a lot faster to reload than loose powder and ball.

@Bloo0969

7 жыл бұрын

southerncountryboy8 If you make them the right way, no residue remains.

@jamesvolo7948

5 жыл бұрын

Is there a danger of smoldering ends?

Question for you,why no lube on top of the cylinder to prevent chain firing.I see some 44 cal paper cartridges on track of the wolf.

Have you encountered any chainfires with paper cartridges? Thank you for the great demonstration :)

@duelist1954

6 жыл бұрын

No, I haven't

They work very well, do you think there was any "glowing" embers attached to the debris left in the chamber ? Flash paper usually flashes off completely, but I think the treated coffee filter paper would just glow, if you light proper flash paper there is nothing at all remaining, it burns in a , well, "a flash".

@duelist1954

7 жыл бұрын

I have tested over 100 of these cartridges now and have never found a ember with either paper, so I don't see a problem

have you thought about using nitrocellulose lacquer as the glue for these?

@tonytiger75

4 жыл бұрын

That would get pretty messy in the cartridge former. I use a Tbsp of Flour 1/8 tsp of sugar and 1/8 tsp of Kno3 mixed to a paste in water... Combustible glue for the combustible paper.

Hey enjoy the video. Where do you get the boxes you store your paper cartridges in? Thanks, Scott

@duelist1954

2 жыл бұрын

Midway USA www.midwayusa.com/product/1564341166?pid=544227

Evil Roy is gonna need a good plastic surgeon now. That poor bugger. :(

Some videos like this one the gun sound is nice

Oh. I was using an 1858 Remington. Did not have to modify that gun for the cartridges.

Fish Glue is the highest tack I've come across, less Convenient but more tack hot Hyde glue mixed thick. If I ever make my own paper carriages I'll give it a shot

Do you know how the paper cartridges were made during the civil war? Was each cartridge handmade one at time? Did they have a device or machine to mass produce the paper form?

You mentioned most folks back then used these paper cartridges. So I assume they also modified their pistols to load these cartridges. Or do the replicas have a different frame?

@duelist1954

7 жыл бұрын

Casper Gibson The originals had a larger loading window under the barrel

If they shot there cartridges sparingly how did they get so good? Seems things would be very cheap back then compared to today

Look into the hair care section and get some hair curler paper, they aren't nitrated but burn completely with no more than 2 wraps. I have been making them for years.

Holy smokes! :)))

I think I'm gonna stick to dixi tubes because it's cleaner, but I loved your video

Yeeeehaw swingin sam

With cap and ball it’s ether the high fructose gang or evil roy.

Is there a reason why you couldn't pan lube those bullets?

@tonytiger75

4 жыл бұрын

No reason at all, just have to scrape clean the little step on the back so you can glue the paper to it.

@karlt8233

4 жыл бұрын

Historically the paper cartridge bullet was dipped in lube after the cartridge was assembled. Lube varied but the majority of cartridge makers used paraffin wax. The wax lube also helped retain the bullet to the paper in lieu of glue.

@richardbreisch8049

4 жыл бұрын

@@karlt8233 Right! How could any knowledgeable black powder shooter not know this?

Definitely quicker to load up. Would liquid alox work? Or is there too little bearing surface?

@duelist1954

7 жыл бұрын

Alox won't keep black powder fouling soft

Have you loaded the conicals as you would a round ball