Hi there folks. Seems there are a few comments here on rattle. Ok, so during the making of this video there was no perceptible noise from the motor, this was possibly terrain related. On the fireroad climbs the bike was incredibly silent and on the descents...well I was mostly dodging rocks. However, it's clear from other vids I have watched that there is something here other than cable rattle so I've contacted Shimano direct. This is their response "Shimano’s DU-EP800 may generate a minor rattling noise if the bike is exposed to vibration when the gears in the drive unit are not loaded (ie during coasting). The DU-EP800 drive unit is a product that achieves high torque with a lightweight, compact, quiet, efficient and low drag structure with improved heat resistance. All components of the drive unit are optimally designed to balance these performance requirements at a very high level. The resulting combination of components can result in a rattling noise in certain situations, but this phenomenon does not affect the function and durability of the drive unit. Based on the feedback from our customers, we are making daily improvements to make our products better. The feedback we received here will be reflected in information to improve future products." Since then I have ridden some different mellower terrain and yes I can hear a slight rattle in certain places, but for certain the feeling is one of improvement over the E7000/8000's, but one's which I also enjoy riding immensely. Seems Shimano are on the feedback

@CurvedSlightly

3 жыл бұрын

I read that as dogging rocks. They're probably just haters, Steve. They're still waiting for their BOSCH or Brose to be fixed for the 17th time under warranty and wishing they had a SHIMANO motor and their excellent service. Whilst they're crying and not riding their bikes, I'm razzing about the trails f**king sh*t up!

@59trevski

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Chuck ☝️

@xx-----------xx873

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for contacting Shimano about this one Steve. While in your case you didn't seem to notice it or care about it on that bike, if I were to buy a EP8000 equipped bike, and it made the same kind of rattle +Rob Rides EMTB experienced, as a silence freak (the kind who buys Oynx hubs and routes all cabling externally, even if the bike comes with Internal), it would drive me mad, and I reckon I'm not alone in this one.

@CurvedSlightly

3 жыл бұрын

@@59trevski sap-nin'?

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

@@xx-----------xx873 Ah Giles the Onyx hub....i'm with you, fantastic hub! Remember the EP8 is considerably quieter uphill. But yes terrain specific...

PLAY THE NOISE

love the look of it with some great features being add to this new motor and system

Great. There is a tool under the saddle as well as the one on top now!!

Don't need any more power, would like to see a very small light weight motor something like the Fazua but paired with a massive battery 750W+ an ebike that's practically impossible to run out of power in a full days riding. Scapin E-Bone is interesting option and going the right direction for me.

I have the 2019 e160 which is amazing. But this looks really nice.

Can't wait to try the new Shimano EP8!

Im still loving my haibike 2017 Bosch cx motor done just over 3000 miles and sounds lovely no knocking when coming down tracks pulls like a train and get 60 miles from a charge as long as I put effort in .but I do love the stick

Hi should I go for old models like e sixty 10k which is going for around £7.5k or wait until next when new motor comes what you think

New is Always better. I can't wait to see what they come up with next. This rig will certainly do until then.

What about the new Santa crus man mullet bike replacing the heckler? Do you have info?

Do want to hide the rear Derailleur? What is it- SLX?

Nice review! but not even a single word over the rattling noise of the EP8? It's all over the news...

@dbdesigner69

3 жыл бұрын

I have this with my E8000 and now even worse with the EP8 apparently. I cannot understand why they would not address it for the version.

@bjornodin

3 жыл бұрын

Weird, never heard anything disconcerting from my E7000 😕

@jimbo4203

3 жыл бұрын

No way could I put up with that racket

@donnpassMTB

3 жыл бұрын

They just try to sell these motor and bike but does not said anything new like read from the paper nothing new....ill go bosch

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

Hi there, please see above from Shimano...

How does it compare to the gen 4 bosch & the brose?

Always beautifully shot

Thanks !

That’s next level. Great attention to detail and the forever tweak software looks ace. Bosch need to wake up in that area. It’s enough reason to swap my two Bosch bikes for this new E-160...

Good old £1.45 STUnlocker used on an E8000 allows total control over NM and wattage support setting in each mode. Its really opened up the "old" E8000 motor in the way described above. Glad Shimano have followed in their footsteps with their new app. Also hear Shimano won't sell the EP8 unit alone so not sure what happens if the E8000 goes bang ? Will Shimano hold a large backorder of spare E8000 so support the last 4 years ?

Does newep8 motor makes ratling noise on descents ?

When is the 2021 E160 being released??

Good video as usual from Steve but I’d check out the “Rob rides” video covering this bike and motor.

Nice adaptor near the bottle mount for a spare battery integration . Great new system for a trail bike and longer rides . Will be interesting to see the range increase with a motor swap , would it be a 500 HR batter give 600HRs .

How is this motor compare to Bafang Ultra?

The old Shimano steps E8000 is going to get the software updates? I mean mor fine tunning, well basically percentages on the baterry and power assist, instead of low med high.

@adambcvg

3 жыл бұрын

ST unlocker app allows you to do it, without unlocking the speed restrictor. I use it on my E8000

@jordidiego3391

3 жыл бұрын

@@adambcvg Thanks, I know the app but I think the motor feels better with the original values.

We can upgrade our e8000 with the new motor? Or have another housing? Same with the new battery, thanks

@methyldioxymethamps

3 жыл бұрын

New housing but same bolt pattern

@PeruGermanyFlow

3 жыл бұрын

You need some kind of adapter for some cables but the mounting points are the same

@NelsonHein

3 жыл бұрын

Battery - no, needs different mounting, motor - same mounting, but likely requires head unit and maybe the battery, wiring is also different, so you'd likely be in for a whole new system

Nice bike, very nice motor

The sound level is not mentioned once, which was pretty bad on the older e8000. Why? Has it improved, or not?

@e_mtb

3 жыл бұрын

Now watchted another video. According to "Rob" it has improved a lot (at least when pedaling up), so I wonder why this is not mentioned here, sounds postive :)

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, really? Pretty sure i did, but yes significantly. The actual number is 2Db officially but i'd guess a bit quieter. It'l depend on rider weight, gradient, temperature to i guess

@mid_life_mtb

3 жыл бұрын

It's a paid promotion, don't go looking for critical commentary 😂

@bjornodin

3 жыл бұрын

Is this an older problem? I picked Shimano over Bosch partly because of lower noise levels... It wasn't even close??? Bought mine in May btw.

@xx-----------xx873

3 жыл бұрын

They are all loud. As long as you don’t mind the noise, keep enjoying it.

Never gonna be a true review you've been givin it

and the clattering of the Shimano EP8 motor ????? nothing about that???

@jessjames93

3 жыл бұрын

care to elaborate?

@xx-----------xx873

3 жыл бұрын

Loads of E8000 and EP8000 motors have a rattle. Needless to say it drives people insane.

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Borja, now have official word from Shimano above

Sounds like a good step forward for Shimano. 👍

Over 12 minutes of pure advertising. According to him, it's absolutely perfect. It's far from being perfect. Watch other reviews before buying a bike with this motor.

@b-manz

3 жыл бұрын

Advertising is what “Paid promotion” is called. They have to be paid somehow...

@jerryx2000

3 жыл бұрын

lollllllll there is reason they get a free flight, hotel & good food

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

@@jerryx2000 Flights to Neath are looking good at minute ...

The tool is ON the seat Steve😉

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

You could hurt people's feelings Richie...hahahaha

I'm looking for a Emtb. What's better Bosch cx 4th gen or this motor? Mostly flat trails.

@tataoftheyear1980

3 жыл бұрын

brose 2.1 in specialized turbo levo . On flat - spec t.l. sl

@bernieboi8943

3 жыл бұрын

@@tataoftheyear1980 thx for reply but sadly those bike brands are expensive. I'm having a cube stereo hybrid 140 in mind with the Bosch gen 4. Value wise it's in my league. How much better are the specialized motors? Does it give u more range? I do like the idea of customizations on this EP8. Since I want to get fucked/tired while riding the bike... I only want to enlarge my mtb routes with an ebike. I'm looking for atleast 50km on eco mode. (20km tarmac) 30km single trail with some small 10/20m elevations .

@bernieboi8943

3 жыл бұрын

Best would be 90km /110km for my other route that's far away. Which is 60km flat tarmac and 30km mtb trails with low elevation as well

@js7617

3 жыл бұрын

BOSCH!

Hy brother how are you and how can i will buy this buy and where from can you tell me please tell me. THANKS BRO

Well done! Kind of Top Gear style movie. Very nice!

It's a great bike and eMotor. I ride Giants, but never had problems to give kudos to great products from other brands! ;-)

3 жыл бұрын

@Shaun Randell Yamaha is brutally good motor. I love it! Since I have enough human power, Basic mode is all what I need to conquer the toughest climbs, and use Eco mode 99 % of my time riding.

I want it, noise or no noise; so what brands are using the ep 8 besides Merida in the USA??

@derekharper6031

3 жыл бұрын

Kelly's will be using it

this motor is a shocker, take a look at other videos that mention the nasty freewheel rattle, it sounds so bad what where they thinking when they let this leave the factory.

Why are you not mentioning the rattle it makes when coasting down hill?? Rob mtb mentions it in his video🤷🏻‍♂️

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, interesting. Did he mention the cause? Was it the motor in frame? Inside the motor? Internal cable rattle? A loose bolt? I didn't ride his bike i'm afraid so cannot help you there sorry. I heard lots of rocks hitting my frame though

@AleksandarGospic

3 жыл бұрын

I certainly hope that rattle was the issue with the motor on his bike, but not a general problem, cause that would be a HUGE disappointment

@RoguePainter

3 жыл бұрын

Steve Jones paid promotion at the start of all your videos unfortunately remove credibility. You have to promote them as your been paid and can’t give negative comments. I get it’s your business and you have to do it but been so defensive in comments on the issues more than one other review pics up on just makes you look bad

@rickc2222

3 жыл бұрын

Because its a paid advertisement, not a review.

@RoguePainter

3 жыл бұрын

Rick C so doing the video as a review is misleading in itself then !

they finally added a bash guard for the motor. Had to buy an aftermarket one on my e160

@trailsanddales4356

3 жыл бұрын

Hi where did you get the bash guard. Thanks

@scottwhyte2772

3 жыл бұрын

Didn't know you could get that. Thanks.

Can it be swapped out for e8000 on my current bike and when is it available

@forhill25

3 жыл бұрын

@@forteus101 🤦‍♂️

@nickgreen2203

3 жыл бұрын

s b - Sorry your so bitter. I hope you find something/someone that makes you happy soon.

Hi all. We just got the information from our Swiss bikemanufacturer Thoemus that Shimano has stopped the release of the new EP8. They did not say why, but it looks pretty big because they offered to replace the EP8 with the E8000 on all the bikes that should be delivered now until the EP8 is released again.

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Good to see attention to thermal management. eMTBs (unlike other electric propulsion products) just don’t give component and overall system efficiency figures (losses due to heat) which makes it very difficult to truly evaluate and compare systems. Such losses if large mean bigger batteries to cope. Increasing thermal efficiency means we can use (to some extent) smaller batteries. With the tuneable software you could tune for a maximum efficiency map for your riding style and area. And on that point it would be great to have a test with a power meter on the pedal, one in the rear hub and then we could measure Wh used from the battery and compare to what we get at the back wheel (minus rider power) to see how efficient, what the losses are from battery to wheel. My guess is around 70% on average gets to the back wheel from the battery.

A tool under the seat. To go with the tool on the seat. budum tish..... I'll get my coat :)

ha we just made a vid in wales as well :0

If it’s reliability is anything like the e7000 I wouldn’t bother, two weeks in and my Norco mounted shimmy went pop.

@jessjames93

3 жыл бұрын

my e7000 on my 2020 e-160 only lasted 250kms, new motor under warranty though.

@js7617

3 жыл бұрын

Jackson Turner Mine had about the same distance and was as described by the dealer as ‘a catastrophic failure’. Because I’d had it barely two weeks the dealers swapped it for a Trek with a Bosch motor

Nice trail. Is there any magic mushrooms there yet.

@edboyle1093

3 жыл бұрын

They must of been eating them to be asking four thousand pounds for a mountain bike, one could buy other forms transport for a lot less.

It would be great if Bosch and Shimano will increase the battery size to the same of the Turbolevo

@e-bike-bys-vykken7422

3 жыл бұрын

my bosch battery in my Haibike is 625wh get good run out of it but yeah a 630wh or 700wh even 800wh would be awesome and also compatible with older models to so you can upgrade

No Motorsound in Video ... ;(

Not that impressive, saw 2 other reviews motor rattles still no specialized brose

@shaitoniyeheskel7712

3 жыл бұрын

Same, really damages these guys credibility, shame I liked them the most

@y14rge

3 жыл бұрын

Yet the specialized Brose has a MASSIVE failure rate....

@James-hh1lq

3 жыл бұрын

Narr they're not reliable enough . Bosch gen 4 by far

@Kenneynrg

3 жыл бұрын

y14rge every motor fails eventually.. replacement motors for 4 years sells me over a motor that fails just out of warranty.

@CurvedSlightly

3 жыл бұрын

When it's not being fixed?

looks great, hopefully they get rid of the e7000 and e8000 bullshit, they really only need one mtb motor to be honest. it´s the same with the bosch active line and active line+, makes no sense to have two entry level motors^^

So how much then

The connection for charging the battery on of the motor look eeady to eat water and dirt.

Anyone know what trail that is? Looks bit like Afan...

@CurvedSlightly

3 жыл бұрын

Its @ Rheola, Chuck! There's a DH track there.

@CurvedSlightly

3 жыл бұрын

Wow, that's great, thanks for letting me know, Chuck.

@CurvedSlightly

3 жыл бұрын

No problem, @stevejones could've told you but I suppose he's really busy riding bikes and shit.

@CurvedSlightly

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, really annoying when they don't tell you where they're riding.

@CurvedSlightly

3 жыл бұрын

You're damn right, it's not like it's on private land, is it?

How noisy is it?

There is one huge problem with it, I don't have money for the new ebike and who knows when I'll have it, so I have to live with the old E8000 for the foreseeable future 😁

@chriskros8858

3 жыл бұрын

me to but I like my E8000 works great despite derestriction.

@AleksandarGospic

3 жыл бұрын

@@chriskros8858 ​ I like it too, it was a half joke :) of course I'd like to have newest tech but E8000 is still totally fine, I only wish it was bit less noisy and battery was 630 or 700 instead of 504wh

@chriskros8858

3 жыл бұрын

@@AleksandarGospic My is noisy only on high cadency and low gears so in practise let'say sometimes on steep uphils only. If I go fast on high gears I cant hear motor only tyres noise and wind. Mostly I travel ca 30-35 kph depends on cirqumstances. The most important thing is to not have any issues. I like slso switching modes by levers not buttons and very nice display. I am afraid of potential protections agains derestricting in new bikes. I can not agre with 25 kph limit in such heavy bike. Battery capacity 503 is OK for eco riding. To achieve speed over 30 kph boost mode is required more often so it drains battery. I think the best option can be making own power bank with size I can fix to frame - my Scott has a lot of roo inside frame but it means bike will be very heavy. The pros of power bank is it is optional so it can be attached only for longer trips

@AleksandarGospic

3 жыл бұрын

@@chriskros8858 hehe I also have Scott, 2019 Genius 920, but I didn't derestrict mine, although I agree 30km/h would be much more sensible limit but on the other hand it makes me work even more so that is not so bad. I ride in Eco 95% of the time and 5% in Trail mode, only when it is too steep or surface is too hard for Eco and I also have second battery cause I love to do long rides with lot of climbing.

@chriskros8858

3 жыл бұрын

@@AleksandarGospic Yes for mountain riding it is not a probkem mostly uphill is ca 15 kph but I use bike also for other purposes sonwtimes I am in a hurry and riding so slow is unacceptable. Even riding around 25 kph is better because there is not turn on / off what is not good for motor. Heh I also havev 920 model but I changed fork for Lyric 160 mm and rear cassette for Sunrace 11-46 . Akso wheels I made new 29 inch spank rims. O think to change droppervpost aksa becsuse 120 mm is not enough. But generally great bike I like its geometry and zero defects during over two years heavy riding.

So unsurprisingly it's better than the old out of date E8000... shocking stuff. But how does it compare to it's competitors, which quiet frankly were a long way ahead? On the face of it, it is still less powerful than the Specialized, has a smaller battery and the app looks like a copy badged up as shimano. Seems about the same power and battery size as the bosch. Weight all seems about the same too. So, since you guys are in the fortunate position to be able to test these bikes how about a good thorough head to head including; real world range test, lap times, tech climb results, feel etc. etc. I know everyone is in a hurry to get this content out but it's better than the last one falls a bit short. Sorry.

It was a great review. Some details like price escaped me. And would like to see these ebikes. Have a little more flexibility on abilities. That is if there going to cost as much as a nice used miata convertible.

Everything bike and Suspention wise is amazing, seems it’s the motors letting things down? Rattling motors? Is a no no For me. All that design and work that’s gone into the bike it’s self. it will effect sales🤔

🤘🏼🤘🏼

They keep getting better ... when do I take the plunge ? Another year ? my knees have about 5 years left

3 жыл бұрын

With this logic you will die pushing analog bikes. Do it today!

@lukasbormann4830

3 жыл бұрын

Get a discounted Modell of a high end bike from last season now, no matter what the media says, upgrades are just marginal

@bernieboi8943

3 жыл бұрын

It seems that performance wise in torque gives you 10% of extra power each year. Battery is also around the same level (unless there will be a big jump in battery science) or a frame that houses a bigger battery. Since most 2021 models have no extra resistance while the motor is off. It seems like these years bikes(2020/2021) are great to start with!

3 жыл бұрын

@@bernieboi8943 They are! I have two 2020 models (trekking and mtb) and they are awesome!

@robertphillips4155

3 жыл бұрын

@Orson in charge I suggest picking the best one that you can afford and riiiiiide! It’s a blast. ALL bike brands and motors have their pros and cons and they are like phones, outdated in a few months. I bought a Bulls with Shimano 8000 motor a year ago and look, now it’s outdated .... yet, I still manage to love it! Plenty of power and control when I want it. It looks cool and rides amazingly well. No regrets.

Everyone..... This was a paid promotion not a review, never going to mention the rattle or compare it to Bosch when they getting paid to do the review.

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Cambike, please see above, i wasn't aware of rattle

@cambike

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevejones7956 Fair play, good response and good to see that you guys are listening to the community. Love the majority of EMBN videos, well, apart from the paid promotions, they need some fair comparisons of similar priced, specification equipment in order to allow us to make informed decisions from your advice when thinking about buying products. Without fair comparison credibility is lost.

How much???

@leannetaylor557

3 жыл бұрын

Watch the video and find out

There is an execption in the life time warranty on the frame. Frames with more than 140 mm travel have only 2 years limited warranty...

@Stokkelo

3 жыл бұрын

I am sorry, i was wrong. Merida confirmed that de e-one series are the exeption on the 140 mm plus rule. They do have life long warranty on the frames......

Looks nice, shame that no ebike`s are coming out with an extra battery, bottle styleee like the Levo SL. That would be great, to add maybe another 200 watts or so for when you are on big days out, or holidays when you are trying to get all day rides in without having to go and re charge.

@burnx45

3 жыл бұрын

Giant, Norco, Rocky Mountain, and Scott all have an external piggyback battery option add on. I have a 2020 Specialized turbo levo comp with 700wh battery, which has plenty of range for me. Of course we all want more range, but that will be on my next bike. 1400 miles and no problems.

@widkin

3 жыл бұрын

@@burnx45 and Orbea (Wild FS 2020)

@methyldioxymethamps

3 жыл бұрын

2x 503Wh on the 2020 10K or 2x 630Wh on the 2021 10K - hopefully they're including that second battery again this model year for the top of the range.

Sure they did, Specialized motors are 95nM's so still behind what I feel is the best.

ill stick with my gen 3 bosch

My Rocky Altitude A70 2019 got 109nm and a 630wh battery and it climb very fast. Why the cycling world is doesnt like change? The parabollic alpine skis got out for the 2nd time in the early in 90', the first time was at the end of the 60's but the public refuse that hourglass shape skis...In the 90's I was one of the first on these "cheater" skis and now everyone got this! Why? Because it's fun. Same for the E-mtb! Open up your mind people, you will fill your life with alot more kilometers on the saddle!

Clearly the competition from Rob Rides has given you a target to catch up to his video quality, however his in depth rider experience still escapes you but you at least you have an example from him how it is done.

@FWCaptain-kv6sm

3 жыл бұрын

Rob has the most annoying delivery can’t listen to it like scraping nails on a chalkboard

@brianthompson1045

3 жыл бұрын

Cannondale2019 we all know Cannondale has a problem with Rob. I own a cannondale ebike and if you keep bullying honest reviewers I might not own another cannondale. Learn to appreciate competition and let it drive you to make improvements on your bikes. There are many great bikes on the market let the reviewers have there opinions without being pushed by the manufacturers.

@tomquimby8669

3 жыл бұрын

@@brianthompson1045 clearly Rob has a laid back slow delivery which is soothing and informative and nothing like nails on a chalkboard. my initial thoughts of Cannondale2019 is he might want to get a better audio setup for his PC. Either way being bullied on the internet? not at my age :)

Congrats to all E8000 owners, including me. Zero updates coming for old motors after this new one came.

@Julian-ej6ex

3 жыл бұрын

And my dead ass bought a emtb with the E8000 a month ago... New Bike without any new updates for the motor...

@forhill25

3 жыл бұрын

@@forteus101 🤦‍♂️

@tomgannan6845

3 жыл бұрын

s b you probably only like normal bikes because you like climbing, which is probably because you’re too shit to ride down ;)

@elliot8595

3 жыл бұрын

You really should have seen this coming with such an old motor

@jerryx2000

3 жыл бұрын

you can still derestrict the E8000 for free!

I have a 2020 E160. I don't fall for the newer is better, old is crap sell. The E8000 rocks.

How about giving us pricing in US dollars for your fans in America?

You missed a trick here, lads. You could've done 2x in depth videos, 1 on the motor and 1 on the Merida.

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

Haha. How do you know that we havent Chuck?

@CurvedSlightly

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevejones7956 I love you

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

@@CurvedSlightly Yeah but do you though Chuck that's the question.....

@CurvedSlightly

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevejones7956 Forever, Steve.

This video was an advert not a review. Where was the constructive criticism. Or is it 100% perfect?

Sponsored video, I guess that is the reason to why they dont mention the rattling noise by a single word.

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Emil, not at all, i wasn't aware of the rattling, however I've bene in touch with Shimano, please see above

How much quiet than Borse motor .

I would not be able to handle that much torque on such a light bike. My litre motorcycle has around 100NM of torque, about the same, but weighs 250Kg. It gets to 100mph in around 7 seconds. Imagine that much torque on a bicycle. Or to put it another way, if my engine was fitted into a bicycle, at the slightest twist of the throttle, something would snap, break or fold up.

How can we trust you to make an unbiased review now that you got paid to make a 12 minute ad?

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

It's not a review Rick....

So the same as Bosch then

@forhill25

3 жыл бұрын

@@John-nd7mi yes. CX 4.gen

@elliot8595

3 жыл бұрын

@@John-nd7mi yes

it looks like copy from Giant Trance E+ 1 Pro Orange 2019

Talk about the RATTLE!!!!! Standard fair for EMBN. Catering more for the corporates rather than the community, this is just shilling at it's best. Zero credibility EMBN.

@xx-----------xx873

3 жыл бұрын

The UK doesn’t look after you in the slightest, they look after the migrants who are illegally crossing the Channel Tunnel and giving them a free house, while the single mother of two doesn’t have shit.

@geocrisanda

3 жыл бұрын

I was buying a canyon emb after i was looking one of ther videos.... totally désastre. The bike was terrible and they was saying it was cream de la cream... so, not honest with us...

@_Vicarious

3 жыл бұрын

@@geocrisanda That's the thing. EMBN are so focused on sniffing the industry's farts and failing to be honest to the consumers, and their audience, that they end up misleading people. They are a just a propaganda machine with no substance.

@geocrisanda

3 жыл бұрын

@@_Vicarious So good you described the situation. That was sublime! Thank you.

Who filmed this. There is always some crap in front of the scene. Only makes it blurry and annoying.

You never mentioned if it is a noisy motor .

@stevejones7956

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry Dallas, pretty sure i say its quieter. Its actually significantly quieter

@terb5804

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevejones7956 The new Shimano EP8 also makes a metallic knocking noise when rolling over obstacles, just like the Bosch Performance Line CX motor introduced last year. All efforts bike manufacturers are going to to make bikes quieter seem to be in vain. This is from a test at E-MOUNTAINBIKE Magazine

@dallasdrew2390

3 жыл бұрын

Ok thanks mate.

I can’t afford a bike much above 4K So, I’m SOL. I can’t even afford 4K right now but, maybe in a year or three lol

So they made a Bosch /slowclap

Orange bike bad umkay!

Not a fan of odd wheel size. Think about it, you need to pack tubes for an emergency. Now, you have to carry 2 tubes because your front and rear wheels are of different sizes. Even you go tubeless, you still have to carry tubes in case if big cuts especially on the sidewall.

@nickd6056

3 жыл бұрын

You can fit 29 tubes in 27.5 and vice versa if needed so you can just take 1 tube for emergency.

Still a restricted motor until somebody figures a way to defeat it. I have more fun doing 30mph on the flats as well as the downhill. Kind of loud to compared to my bafang ulta or my buddies yamaha derestricted motor.

No matter how clean and intriguing a E-mtb can be, there is always these posers that must complain about every little thing. "The weight is hefty." "The battery lasts for only so long." "The motor's display is cheap & plastic feeling." Yet, none describe/rant the negatives of e-bike motors. The maintenance costs. The dilemma of pedaling a heavy rig when the motor breaks (happened to my Brose s-mag...twice, in six months!). Having to carry a additional hefty battery. Having to locate a business or someone's home, where you can recharge the battery when far from home. Anyone care to make such a video?

25kph 😢 250w 🤣

@ColinBarling

3 жыл бұрын

It's sucks hay I ride 35km plus on a standard bike nothing said put a motor in it 25km plus they winge winge winge grrr

@martinlong8739

3 жыл бұрын

@@ColinBarling Exactly and so unnecessary. Even lifting the pedal assist limit to a reasonable 32kmp (20mph) would make a world of difference. The 250Watts seems to have been suitably dealt with by the manufacturers with peak wattage being 600 or more on a lot of the newer motors.

@ColinBarling

3 жыл бұрын

@@martinlong8739 100% agree, if only they can lift, IF ONLY.

Too powerful.

I agree with the other comments.......you’ve lost what little credibility you had EMBN. Unsubscribed here.....recommend every one else do the same since they cater to the almighty dollar/pound or whatever. What a shame :( :(

WTB 250W range extender lol capacitors going to replace batteries in a couple of years. 15kg eMTB

Bafang BBS02 still puts down nearly double the torque. What a waste, really wish Shimano and Bosch would step up their game.

Most importantly do you just bin it if it goes wrong ? This is the biggest downfall of the E8000 which cant be repaired. Puts me off buying shimano again. I want a serviceable motor next time.

So what you try to tell us is that the ‘old’ Shimano motor is very bad ☹️

@m.muzinski7842

3 жыл бұрын

It is not at all!

advertorial at its best.......

No doubt costs more than a honda 125cc lololol

4 Years in the making and they manage to just maybe keep up . . . shockingly disappointing from Shimano. Also the prize for the worst Apps, so many opportunities to improve on the Steps range and it really wasn't worth the wait. I can't see many forking out for this until it's had at least a year of riding and a few software updates.