Bischoff would have given HBK a creative control clause in his contract if he went down there OR Nash would have just pulled strings with his creative clause to get HBK to be able to do the things he wanted to do. Vince most likely just said that to Shawn cause he didnt want to loose another big name from his roster. End of the day Vince is looking out for his business.

It's amazing how things would've turned out differently in an alternative universe. - He would've been NWO - Nash would've pulled strings to have him in creative - He would've wrestled in jeans (because they all ended up doing that in WCWs dying day) - He would have had a crappy knock off theme of "sexy boy" - Hogan would've made sure he never won the belt unless he was away on vacation, Nash would've booked that quick. - A nasty fight would've broke loose between Bret & himself. - He and Jeff Jarrett would've had major issues on the politics side. - Shawn would've never injured his back - He would've been a drugged up mess today that Vince would be too skeptical to give any sort of return. - He may have still met Rebecca, but things wouldn't have worked out given his back injury was the thing he needed to get his shit together. Having Scott Hall around would've dis-encouraged him from giving up drugs & booze altogether.

@holystars

2 жыл бұрын

but if shawn did go to wcw would bret just stay in wwf because of that then bret would have been vince top guy instead

@chandlerbryant6680

Жыл бұрын

You know that if Shawn went so would Triple H, so the NWO would essentially just be the Kliq

I'm glad HBK listened but more importantly I'm glad Vince talked some sense into him!!!

@Lzuniga317

9 жыл бұрын

Lance Walden In an interview with Jim Ross Sting said Scott Hall suggested the Crow character for him. If they had that kind of input into their characters don't you think HBK could have had that too.

@hd2face394

9 жыл бұрын

Lzuniga317 I do think he could have a little input as far as character but he wouldn't have had the freedom to do what he wanted to do unless he was in the nWo because you know they were the best attraction that all the WCW fans wanted to see just like how all the WWF fans wanted to see DX. HBK and HHH did whatever they wanted because they were the main attraction.

@thecastleofenlightenment2604

9 жыл бұрын

if HBK went to WCW the WWE would have went out of business for sure.

@hd2face394

9 жыл бұрын

I agree with you 100% on that one because DX was the WWE with HBK as the leader and champ which ushered in the Stone Cold hot streak between Austin and McMahon. That's my take on it.

@futuregohan4837

6 жыл бұрын

Now If Undertaker Left For WCW Vince Would've Been Pissed Off Because Undertaker Was His Top Star

Vince just couldn't stand the thought of losing his boy toy.

anyone else feel the kind of irony of vince saying that to shawn

If he went to wcw He would have made the biggest mistake going there 1. Hulk Hogan wouldlve never put over Michaels

@CrazyStevo

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@pragatsharma1580

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't put him over in wwe either

@Koolaccel

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't matter. HBK would have been in nWo. Likely wouldn't have wrestled each other.

@midnightmoon3230

2 жыл бұрын

Shawn might would have been the 3rd man

I always wanted to know the answer to this question!

@superlex611

9 жыл бұрын

Giancarlo Dittamo he missed Scott and Kevin at the time, when he got a lazy attitude, and it was months before the screwjob and, cause a wrestlemania rematch against bret in 1997

@YeahGiancarlo

9 жыл бұрын

Ohhhhhh

@superlex611

9 жыл бұрын

Giancarlo Dittamo not only that, but i give you small detail about an explainin Bret to go to WCW that Bret had not yet sign with the WWE after he drop the belt to HBK, Bret returns in october for a annoucment for accepting the match against Stone Cold at Survivor Series, and during the year 1997 there some speculation that Bret sign a 4 year deal contract with WWE unless he got paid very bigger then Shawn Michaels, Shawn tried to manipulating Bret about the Sunny comment's and backtage fight that the camera didn't show to the audience, HBK was a prick, but he is shocked that he wanted to go to WCW, but Vince came with the solution, to bring HBK back, and feuding with Bret as the special referee at Summerslam, and Bret's title reign was a bit of short lived, and months before Bret got's screwed, he had now making decision to drop the belt any where but not in Canada unnannouced, he had 60 days the way how he's gonna drop the belt, or forfeit the belt to go to WCW, and Surivor Series came up the match started, brawling, and once Earl Hebner was down and trying to get up, HBK applied the sharpshooter to Bret, and didn' tap out, and Vince pushed timekeeper, and Earl Hebner said ring the bell, and the timekeeper ring it and that is the situation that everybody was shocked what did happend the bell rings and Bret got's screwed spit in Vince's face and never spoke with them in 13 years and Triple H was also a responsible to said fuck him to do business that's a bit of a small detail but that's the truth about Bret got's screwed in Canada in 1997

@oli3437

9 жыл бұрын

Well said Alex. I was thinking when Shawn said that Vince told him he wouldn't have the kind of creative pull that he did in WWF/E, didn't HBK's friends Nash and Hall have allot of creative sway in WCW in those early days? Certainly Nash in the later. And I'm Sure Bischoff would of given that to HBK as part of his contract, along with a nice amount of guaranteed money,as getting Shawn would be another big acquisition for WCW and Hall and Nash would have had his back with getting the best deal possible for him. Please let me know what you think. One things for sure if Shawn did go down to WCW,he would have had some awesome matches and having not been apart of that Royal Rumble casket match that put him on the shelf for so many years, he likely would of had more matches during the rest of the Monday night War period possibly

@superlex611

9 жыл бұрын

Oliver Atkinson putting the belt on Shawn, it just didn't work

HBK vs Sting would've made a good match back then

@futuregohan4837

6 жыл бұрын

Or Undertaker Vs. Sting (1997)

Is Michaels a legitimate pathological liar, or was he just so drugged out of his mind back then that he honestly has no memory of what happened.??? He has been asked this question 3 other times that I know of and has given completely different answers each time.

@stuungar4034

9 жыл бұрын

I've heard HBK tell this story. It was at the height of his problems with Bret and I think it was PWI that ran a cover story hinting that HBK was possibly nWo bound. But there were never any formal negotiations. So he might not be lying depending on exactly what was asked.

@WSK9002

2 жыл бұрын

@@stuungar4034 I recall my friends who were Wrestling Fans who were PWI Subscribers, that in those same Mags Shawn Michaels was an nWo 4 Life Shirt throwing up the Kliq Turkish Wolf.

Vince was right by saying WCW would not know how to use Shawn Michaels and smart move not to let him go . On the flip side if Shawn Michaels did go it would have been nice to see a Shawn Michaels vs Sting ( before he went Crow Sting ) and maybe a few other matches but at the end of the day it was the right move to not let Shawn Michaels leave

if HBK went to WCW the WWE would have went out of business for sure.

@attiepollard7847

7 жыл бұрын

bobby smith not. really. we still had young workers like stone cold, taker and rock and hhh being a big part in the company

@Nobody-br1rq

7 жыл бұрын

Attie Pollard Shawn literally Carried the company

@attiepollard7847

7 жыл бұрын

For almost one year he did in 1996 but after 96 when wwf was getting their ass kicked by wcw everyone had to carry the company. Hbk started to get very lame sometime around early 98. I'm happy stone cold got the belt at wm14 to rocket the attitude ear.

@Leo-yn5fx

6 жыл бұрын

You’re forgetting this was 96, early 97. They would’ve died if he left. JR even called it.

@zealousjay1993

6 жыл бұрын

Leo HBK wasn't drawing what WWF needed and neither was bret hart .. in 1996 WWF wasn't doing good ... HBK leaving wouldn't have changed anything

Does anyone remember the time Shawn appeared on Nitro, he delivered a super kick and just ran off? They used his real name. I can’t find the video or information on it anywhere.

@mskisha2sweet

4 жыл бұрын

It was a joke

@th3gr81

4 жыл бұрын

The American Yes it did, in 2000; he was in the crowd, then came in and super kicked someone, then left. They even used his real name, Michael Hickenbottom.

@mskisha2sweet

4 жыл бұрын

Link?

@mskisha2sweet

4 жыл бұрын

The Gr81 where is my YT or video link?

@th3gr81

4 жыл бұрын

Briant,vlogs ads and more I wish I had something for you.

Vince saying, "Even if I let go" makes me think it Vince and Bischoff work together. What kind of person would let go to another company, and be calm about it?

I always wondered why Shawn never went 2 WCW but until I heard this interview...

Would have loved to have seen shawn in the nwo,.I think it could of made a huge chance in the ratings

He would have done wonders with Sting

I could never picture Shawn in wcw, he was too good to be there.

@scottsteiner4579

9 жыл бұрын

trustobey1016 are you kidding me. The top guys in wcw were better than shawn entertainment wise.

@moonie1825

9 жыл бұрын

+SCOTT STEINER I wouldn't say better in the entertainment aspect as much as same level but I think this dude meant the character was too good.

@scottsteiner4579

9 жыл бұрын

Rasheed Edwards shawn in wcw wouldnt have worked. Wcw had alot of alpha male characters. Shawn wouldnt fit.

@moonie1825

9 жыл бұрын

SCOTT STEINER shawn was great leader of dx and manage to make wwf enjoyable when wcw was way better I tjink, he could fit right in with wcw both him and triple h well then again a triple h was in wcw.

@TherealRNOwwfpooh

9 жыл бұрын

+SCOTT STEINER HBK was himself an alpha male. He, HHH, Nash, Hall, and X-Pac were the KLIQ. They made n.W.o and DX.

Vince didn't want Shawn Michaels to go to WCW because he was their top draw at the time.

Just Imagine Shawn Joining The now And Then Going Against Sting

Vince wasn't going to let his favorite piece of ass just walk out the door. Hogan would have squashed him anyways.

@dilungmoveityafool777

8 жыл бұрын

What would've happened was, they would've let Michaels in NWO.

@ibramblebush

8 жыл бұрын

Di Lung Move it Ya Fool! You honestly think Shawn was gonna play second fiddle to Hogan?

@dilungmoveityafool777

8 жыл бұрын

I Bramblebush Nope. Michaels would've been a small part in NWO, then quietly moved to the mid-card and wrestled with Jericho, Benoit, Chavo, Eddie, and Rey Mysterio. Probably stay for like three years, head back to WWF, realize his spot is gone; Austin and the Rock are the big dogs, Triple H would've been third man in NAO, with Chyna taking IC titles from everyone. Michaels then waddle through WWF, leave and go to ECW, have a good run winning ECW television championships. Afterwards, contemplate retirement; he'll hear about ROH and TNA, and then proceed to become the Sting of ROH.

@anthonyanderson9303

6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely right. Just like they did Bret. Everybody had to play second fiddle to Hogan and nWo, the only exception being Goldberg. Look at the way they shitted on Flair even during the 2nd half of the 90's, it was disgusting.

@bjbanisin6513

6 жыл бұрын

I Bramblebush hbk superkicked the mustache off Hogan's face.

HBK was going to be the third man in the Outsiders.

@knowyourroleboulevard7119

5 жыл бұрын

Or the 4th man in the Wolfpac. With Hall. With Nash. With Syxx. And now HBK.

People bringing up Undertaker crossing over, one thing to keep in mind is Vince had intellectual rights to the character so he wouldn't have been allowed to be Taker. Perhaps he would have come a biker version of himself, similar to American Bad Ass/Big Evil taker in 2000-2003, that probably could have worked in WCW. But any variation of the Dead Man taker and Vince would have sued. it's all a moot point of course.

@brandonselitetv1436

7 жыл бұрын

Anthony Anderson He wouldve used his WCW character Mean Mark

@lisagauthier6386

6 жыл бұрын

Anthony Anderson I believe it was stated in an interview with Nash and hall that taker was unhappy with the ministry gimmick he was out on an injury and Nash called him I guess they got him close to signing with wcw but I'm sure he told Vince and then they renegotiated his contract thank god!

@futuregohan4837

6 жыл бұрын

Had Taker Went Through With It He'd Be A Idiot

Would have been interesting seeing HBK at WCW as part of the NWO Wolfpac, being one of two people (along with DDP) to end Goldberg's winning streak. That said have to wonder whether HBK would have been able to turn his life around in WCW's environment during the early 2000s, along with which wrestlers would have been able to fill the void HBK would have left had DX still appeared in some form (perhaps a still living or healthy Brian Pillman?). At least Austin would have been able to get a clean win or few over Bret Hart though.

Considering that Nash at a point, started booking, I don't see HBK, not being able to have been creative.

@IntoTheVoid96

7 жыл бұрын

CBac55 Hogan.

@cbacigaluppi

7 жыл бұрын

Dutch Courage what about Hogan? You know Nash pretty much was doing the booking without Hogan? Plus, if HBK shows up, you have the Outsiders & HBK using their stroke. So they coulda worked with Hogan. Plus, the WCW roster was huge, & there were plenty of belts to go around. So Hogan & HBK coulda been doing their own things, w/out any involvement with eachother. Tho, I'm pretty sure, HBK woulda been in nWo.

@IntoTheVoid96

7 жыл бұрын

Christian Bacigaluppi Nash doesn't trump Hogan. Hogan would never put HBK over.

@ericlouderback9928

6 жыл бұрын

See Summerslam 05 for "being able to work with Hogan"

Vince would definitely have fought it out in court if Shawn had just walked away. He didnt fight with the other guys that walked away cause they just weren't that valuable to him

@dilungmoveityafool777

8 жыл бұрын

Michaels leaving wasn't that big of a deal. He still had the Undertaker, Owen Hart, the Ringmaster, Hunter Hurst Hemsley, Mankind, Rocky Mavia, Jake the Snake Roberts for a year. Stacked card of talent.

@timm441

8 жыл бұрын

HBK was one of/if not the biggest star WWE had at the time.

@you3ee

8 жыл бұрын

Di Lung Move it Ya Fool! HBK was the biggest star of them all at the time

@joshua7489

7 жыл бұрын

qwe qwen Taker was a big star too,probably the same as Shawn.

Does anybody know about what date/timeline he wanted to leave to WCW? I’m trying to figure out if he could have been the 3rd man to join the nWo instead of Hogan/Sting or if he would have joined WCW after the nWo already happened. Thank you!

@priyadarshidash4353

3 жыл бұрын

When hogan became the third man ,Hbk was the wwf champion .I think so it must be sometime around in 1997

I would say this. That if Shawn went to WCW either they wouldn't know what to do with him just like they did not know what to do with Brett. Or they had great ideas with Shawn being a member of the NWO and that could have spelled very serious trouble for WWF/E because DX had a great impact during the Attitude Era and considering Shawn was one of their top stars. So at the end of the day if Shawn were to have gone to the WCW I would think WWE would have gone under. Also I think Shawn would have more creative sway in WCW because of him being being good friends with Nash and Hall.

Intriguing.

Thank god Shawn michaels didnt go. I think his very iconic song woulda been trashed like brets too but he still woulda been great in WCW. Again WWE blessed to keep him

Interesting. He never wanted to let Shawn go but invited Bret to leave and get that big contract. Which I still understand because the WWF was going through some tough times back then. Earl Hebner did say in an interview that the Vince could only afford to pay Undertakers contract. There wasn’t enough money on the table to for Bret. Seems he didn’t give Bret that same speech. he gave Shawn.

Could you imagine Bret and Shawn in wcw?

At 2:00 he says "all the other guys" but it's a shot soley at Brett Hart, all the other guys would have to include Hall & Nash and moving to WCW absolutely MADE them, no matter how big they were in the WWF

@c3realK1ll4h

6 жыл бұрын

lewis morrison they made wcw wrestlers look weak by allo Wing former wwf stars to dominate them, if I recall wcw was a retirement home for has beens

+Bobby Smith I doubt they'd go out of business without Shawn. Wwf did some of their worst business while Shawn was champion in '96. Wwf did some of it best business without Shawn '98-2001. They had The Rock, Stone cold,Kane, Undertaker. Plus a new host of stars. So they'd survive.

@eh1069

8 жыл бұрын

@joshua7489

7 жыл бұрын

Mr. Chevy Mills WWF did its worst business with Shawn as Champ because WCW was red hot.Extremely popular at the time.You can't blame Shawn for that.Shawn's injury had nothing to do with the ratings picking up again,the Attitude Era was blooming.

@C-Lyfe85

7 жыл бұрын

Josh Mac_Murph ...So WWF did its best business without Shawn's presence, at all. 1998-2001. i'm glad him & his stripper gimmick was M.I.A. Shawn was not nWo material. Shawn is talented though.

HBK would of been buried by Hogan

@CrazyStevo

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@brandocalrissian3294

3 жыл бұрын

I doubt it. He was too good to ignore plus he would have had nash and hall backing him up and I don't see bischoff being dumb enough to pick hogan over the entire kliq.

@andrewmoore7927

3 жыл бұрын

@@brandocalrissian3294 Hogan ran WCW, and president Bischoff, Hall and Nash took orders from Hogan, doesn't matter HBK, it's not WWF

It didn't matter how WCW would've used HBK. If Michaels went to WCW, WWF would've died on the spot.

@blachubear

8 жыл бұрын

+E Drew Really? I recall when Micahels left the WWF, Stone Cold & The Rock along with the rest of The Attitude Era crew took over and brought the company to the stratosphere. So the WWF would had survive.

@RicoLen1

8 жыл бұрын

+E Drew Had Shawn followed Bret Hart, it would have been the ultimate troll. Shawn would obviously have been nWo, and by proxy Bret would have stayed WCW and out of the nWo. I agree though that had Taker gone, it would have been even more damaging to the WWF. People really don't realize how bad situations were in the WWF in 1995-1997, had WrestleMania '98 been a bust there would be no WWE today.

@BluRayKing

8 жыл бұрын

+RicoLen1 I guess you guys are forgetting about Rock and Austin.... the 2 guys who took the company to bigger heights. WWF might have struggled a little, but there wouldn't have been any "instant death" with HBK gone, they probably would have been able to make whoever they wanted champion again without Shawn crying about it.

@RicoLen1

8 жыл бұрын

Without depth in the roster, Rock and Austin would have become Orton vs Cena.

@BluRayKing

8 жыл бұрын

RicoLen1 Shawn left anyways and they were fine. Undertaker would have been a hit, but they still would have had depth. They had a huge roster back then. 2 people missing wouldn't have destroyed them, WCW would have had them just job to hogan anyways, so it's not like they would have done anything to significant.

I see people say that HBK made the right decision. It's revisionist history, with Shawn in the WWF, the WWF would have been the promotion to close its doors. He was an instrumental part in getting people to still tune in, no HBK there's no DX, no DX the Attitude Era doesn't exist and Vince would have been still trying to peddle guys like Duke the Dumpster Droese, Doink the Clown, etc. At that time, prior to the Attitude Era, WWF was comic book like with their wrestlers and storylines. HBK and HHH, along with Stone Cold broke that mold. HBK however wouldn't have reached WCW Title status and he likely would have been relegated to US Champ/TV Champ type of role. But if he went WCW, then people today would have said he made the right move. Think about it WWF fans, who was a main draw for WWF during the Monday Night Wars? It was HBK, it was Rock, it was Austin. If Bret doesn't leave, and I don't think he does if Shawn does, the WWF stays in that cartoon mode they were in and the fans were tuning over to WCW back then because the feel was more "real." Just think of the rivalries that could have been developed with Shawn in WCW...feuds with DDP, feuds with Goldberg, feuds with Booker T, feuds with Jericho, feuds with Luger, feuds with Sting - once he finally got the belt at Starcade. Of course the WCW could have gone the route of just kicking Hogan out of the nWo after losing to Sting...have HBK interfere to cost Hogan the title - since run ins were the WCW norm...and then hand the reigns of the thing over to Michaels, Hall and Nash and repackage the entire gimmick into something cooler because the nWo was stale at that point anyway. Have Hogan go back to babyface to feud with the new "nwo" and eventually put him back over on Sting to get his belt back. Only to drop it somewhat quickly to Michaels. It could have worked brilliantly.

@blahrjei4406

7 жыл бұрын

DX was not the attitude era.They still would've had Stone Cold and The Rock.

@newfmstoyt

7 жыл бұрын

Blah rjei DX actually was on the attitude era, the original DX, look it up.

@stnavresservan1507

7 жыл бұрын

He's saying DX wasn't the most important thing about the attitude era. Not that they weren't literally from the attitude era.

@futuregohan4837

6 жыл бұрын

And Undertaker

@brandocalrissian3294

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, michaels in wcw could have been fucking brilliant. Everyone keeps saying hogan would have buried him there but I highly doubt that would have happened with hall and nash backing him. Plus he was just to damn good to be held down by anyone at the time. Michaels vs Sting and also ddp would have been awesome back in 97'-99'.

Where would Shawn Michaels have fit in though? The only way I see you can even bring him in would be as the foundational leader of the Wolfpac. He could come in talking about how he has heard people complaining about Hogan and the NWO and then inform people that he was forming a new faction to counter-act Hogan and immediately bring out Nash and Hall to join up as the first three members. There you have a huge Michaels/Hogan feud already set up. But Nash was basically running a lot of things in WCW around that time, so would he want to leave playing 2nd fiddle to Hogan in the White and Black to playing 2nd fiddle to Michaels in the Red and Black?

@TherealRNOwwfpooh

9 жыл бұрын

+Roon Mc Yes, because Nash, HBK, HHH, and Hall were the Kliq and even WWE own n.W.o reboot was to bring the Kliq on-screen for real, but Nash was injured, Hall got fired, HBK just came back, and HHH was out from his quad injury.

@highjim7778

8 жыл бұрын

+Roon Mc HBK is the one guy Nash would do anything for

@notsoawesomeguy8253

8 жыл бұрын

+TherealRNO HHH was back in January. NWO came in WWE in February.

Brett wasn't solely a WWE guy because he wrestled in WCW. Shawn Michaels and the Rock is the only one that could say they only wrestled in WWE. Even Triple H wrestled in WCW.

@dilungmoveityafool777

8 жыл бұрын

Shawn Michaels wrestled for NWA and AWA and the Rock wrestled for USWA (which at the time was Lawler's promotion)

@crazyhayn

8 жыл бұрын

Shawn started in the old territories. Rock was a WWE product all the way, including the Flex Kavana days in USWA when they were partly a developmental territory for WWE.

@dilungmoveityafool777

8 жыл бұрын

crazyhayn Nah. He started before WWE had developmental system. Because Paul Heyman stated he wanted to sign the Rock, but Vince got to him first.

@anthonyanderson9303

7 жыл бұрын

USWA was an unofficial developmental for WWF back then. Vince and Lawler had an under the table agreement basically. That's why Lawler was still allowed to work down there during the week and still come back and commentate Raw.

@dilungmoveityafool777

7 жыл бұрын

Anthony Anderson Vince has always kept Lawler close to him for quite a long time.

I want to know was this before or after bret went

@equalmile

8 жыл бұрын

yep 96 it felt like this was yesteraday

@equalmile

8 жыл бұрын

before bret wanted to leave

@jabarikidd801

7 жыл бұрын

MagicKirin1 wonder how much money wcw was offering

Shawn “You Know” Michaels

That makes a lot of sense because when Bret Hart went to WCW of course he was being held back but at the same time they had way too many superstars and not enough air time to push them that's when they tried just putting Bret Hart on Thunder and making him a top competitor on that TV show and not using him on Nitro that much so that he would have more time but having Hulk Hogan and Bret Hart in the same company was going to be difficult you know sharing the spotlight only thing Bret Hart got out of going to WCW was getting a massive paycheck but the only time he got a decent push and WCW it was when Vince Russo come in and started pushing him and using him he had it he eventually got the belt put on him

They should have had him join the nWo. Have a great run then fight with Hogan for the belt leading him to join WCW and team with Sting. Sad this never happened. Huge creative potential.

That would have killed his career.

Just imagine if he left instead of Bret?I think WCW would used him better with the rest of the Klique already there except for Hunter.On a side note though Bret said that Vince told him WCW wouldn't know what to do with him,and he admitted Vince was right still.

Shawn could have ended up facing Goldberg instead of Brett as all top talent were being fed to Goldberg's streak. So he might have traded his back injury of 1998 for a concussion.

Awww daddy wouldn't let him leave "the house" huh?

Shawn did u want to go to wcw cause bret was there ?

I wonder what would have happened if he had been the third man in the nWo

Didn't Savage tell HBK, "You cant change anything if you leave"? Then Savage left.

Funny that what Vince was warning Shawn about how WCW would take away his freedom is exactly how Vince treats his whole roster now. Ironic.

Did you come to see The Wolf Pack or W-C--W? LOL!

Vince didn't wanna lose his lover

WCW would not have suit him or the Undertaker. If anything they would have been treated like crap as Bischoff did to all the top WWF stars

@newbritishprowrestling1111

8 жыл бұрын

+Raj Nirvan He didn't treat Hogan, Nash, Hall and Savage like crap.

@brandocalrissian3294

3 жыл бұрын

Bischoff was too smart to waste shawn. Plus nash and hall wouldn't have let it happen.

A good example of what WCW would have done with HBK is Bret Hart. I think it would have been a similar scenario in which it would have just been a failure. All of the egos and inmates running the asylum without one person taking control and directing it in a good direction is what caused that company to go under. And HBK's ego clashing with the other egos at WCW wouldn't have been good for anybody.

Shawn Michaels was supposed to be in NWO. Not hogan. That’s when u had Monday nitro and Monday night raw. and Kevin nash came down and did the nwo hand signal to the camera and Shawn michael came out on and did it right back at him.

He wouldve never held that belt as long as hogan was alive.

Since HBK was close with Hall, Nash & Waltman, he'd have been in nWo no problem. That or he'd have been stuck as a Cruiserweight or gotten Bret Hart's treatment. Nash & Hall would've tried keeping him a main eventer, but I think Hogan would've tried to stick Michaels in the midcard at best.

@TherealRNOwwfpooh

9 жыл бұрын

+Dana Chappell That's the thing, Hogan only had his own ego, but with Nash and Hall and Waltman all backing HBK, Hogan would have nobody to support him.

@brandocalrissian3294

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah bischoff was too smart to choose hogan over the entire kliq. Shawn in wcw would have been great just to see him and Sting have a storyline together.

I guess he couldn't play with the big boys?

Vince knew if shawn went to wcw that would be the end of wwf. He was the best in the world at the time. I've had people tell me he would have been stuck as a top mid carder because of hogan but I highly doubt bischoff would choose hogan over the entire kliq. Plus the nwo take over would have been so much better with HBK, nash and hall. Oh the missed opportunities.

Contract...

0:50. 🤔😂 That's complete bs, Michaels would of had creative control over his character because his buddies Hall and Nash.They had Bischoff in their back pocket especially with Hogan! HBK would have been running WCW just like all the top guys in WCW were at the time!

If hbk went wcw would still be here

He'd have went over about as well as Brett did. HBK and Hart were the Cena/RKO of their day. By that I mean the shitty guys who needed to step aside and finally admit they're hurting the business. That said HBK upon his return was quite good.

@highjim7778

8 жыл бұрын

+Thebigredsnake wtf are you smokin? HBK and Bret were the two hottest wrestlers on the planet in 97, RAW back then was at its peak as far as quality goes. That year was the real reason ppl started to take notice of the WWF again, the rock and Austin coming onto the scene was just the icing on the cake.

@darthbigred22

8 жыл бұрын

highjim It's called I was a teen back then and the hottest wrestlers in 97 were in WCW. Ratings back then back me up WWE just tries to rewrite history for the younger crowd or those who don't remember.

@brandocalrissian3294

3 жыл бұрын

Dude HBK and the hitman were the 2 best in ring performers on the planet back then. You're a moron.

Vince McMahon didn't want to let Shawn Michaels go to wcw because Vince McMahon favor Shawn Michaels and Vince McMahon knew Bischoff wouldn't favor Shawn Michaels.

HBK going to WCW would not have changed the demise of WCW in the least. The success of WCW in "The Monday Night Wars".. was a simple case of good timing and the ignorance of fans of that era...myself included.

Is shawn lying? I mean if he could have easily asked nash if what vince said was true. Shawn would have been given creative control no doubt cause of how big he was during that time. Shawn would have been a game changer. I think the real reason why he didnt go was because wcw has way too many over the top personalities to compete with.

@moonie1825

9 жыл бұрын

I think shawn's main reason was his ego think about with so little big names left vince need hbk now more than ever same for bret hart I think these 2 saw the opportunity to run things in wwf and decided to stay just for that power which is why they both hated each other. You could say they would have gotten that power in wcw but with so many big names having the same power over the story they just didn't want the competition smart people bret hart and shawn micheals.

Nash was fuckin' booking for WCW sometime in 1999. Hogan was calling the shots on pretty much all of his match outcomes in WCW from the time he got there until the company went under. Being the egotistical, ass kissing prick that Shawn was in 90's, ( believe me, I still think he's a prick, he just knew how and when to finally keep his mouth shut during his '02 to '10 period ) you can't sit here and tell me that WCW wouldn't have given him at least partial control of his contract had he ever signed one. Bischoff would've allowed him to join the NWO, and run roughshod backstage along with his buddies Nash and Hall.

@ssjgotenks2009

9 жыл бұрын

MJjuice89 hbk is not prick dude back 90s he was on dorgs in 02 he was not ond orngs any more that way eh was difnitn so sotp sya he prick you not ntonig dorg made ihm that way but he not on thema ny more

@JustinMiller-it4ri

9 жыл бұрын

signerleo snyder are you on drugs?

@ssjgotenks2009

9 жыл бұрын

no

@notsoawesomeguy8253

8 жыл бұрын

+MJjuice89 Both Nash and Hogan had creative freedom in their contract. They couldn't have lost lost a match if they didn't want to. Even Bret Hart had creative freeedom.

@eh1069

8 жыл бұрын

+MJjuice89 do u have any facts that shawn still is a prick?

sweet chin music

And here ppl go on 2 parts some says hbk in wcw would be bad and hbk would been buried and the other can only imagine how great it would be if HBK was the 3rd man and what would happen to nwo and all that and how wcw would win monday night war even that the wwf attitude era got its prime after some months of HBK retirement at 98 we know wcw control 96 and 97 and at 98 things started to get close 99 after bash at the beach and tell the end of 2000 wcw was dieing any way even 2000 wcw better than wwe now and honestly wcw always felt special and I used to like it more even they lost to wwf

@EdwardCletusKasidy

4 жыл бұрын

Spoken like someone who never watched WCW 2000. It was beyond godawful.

There's pictures of him wearing nwo outsider t-shirts during that period. I mean now, shawn pretends that he was loyal, only because wwe is the only game in town. Honestly, it wouldn't've been good for his career to go down South. Hogan would've stifled him. As a fan, in my opinion. He would've made the nWo look soft. Especially with his leather chaps & village people stripper outfits. People also forget it was Sean Waltman, that legitimized DX. Because people didn't care as much about DX, until he came. But he brought that "nwo Element" with him & it rubbed off on dx. It will probably be a million people that want to argue my statements. But Hey, I was there when it was happening. 1996-2001. Most mainstream didn't catch on til '98.

So what he was really saying is.. Vince you own me and my life and i will do what you want..!!! Hall and Nash careers massively enhanced going to WCW. Vince is just paranoid and still is to this day.

Michaels had thought about going to WCW at one point but he also turned down a move to WCW and accepted the loer offer of WWE out of loyalty. Michaels has since vowed to never work for another wrestling promotion

Hbk would of been nWo/WcW WHC

Never knew that. Wow. Honestly though: I don't think HBK would've been a good fit with hall and Nash and those guys. The whole "sexy boy" music and dancing and shit just wouldn't have been a good fit in my opinion with the nWo back when they were bad ass and beating everyone down.

@TheSweetestScience

8 жыл бұрын

Michaels at the time was a brash, in your face, anti establishment and cocky heel. Plus he was good friends with those guys in the nwo I think he would have been a good fit in a manager role in 98 had he been there, it would have been a "kliq" reunion

@RicoLen1

8 жыл бұрын

+Kenneth Karaffa I guess you don't remember the chemistry between HBK and Diesel then huh? Shawn wouldn't have fit in with Hulk Hogan. Saying he wouldn't fit in with his best friends in the industry is... er... hmmm...

@MrSinister718

8 жыл бұрын

+Kenneth Karaffa He wouldn't have tried to be a male stripper in WCW you nerd.

@kennethkaraffa6233

8 жыл бұрын

Just my opinion.

@BigEvan96

8 жыл бұрын

It would have worked easily. HBK back then was like a mini Scott Hall.

Shawn could have been NWO surprise instead of Hogan then Hogan could have been face to take in Shawn

As a kid, WWF felt real and WCW felt like a joke show. The production choices were just so different. Eric Bischoff fucked up the WCW and then fucked up the WWF...that E shit is stupid as fk. Attitude era WWF will go down in TV history as the greatest show on earth.

There would have been no room for HBK there. Hogan hogged the title and from 96 to 98 there were only like 5 or 6 WCW champions if that many. Sure HBK could've had some great matches there but he wouldn't have been the guy.

DubbuyaSeeDubya

Shawn Michaels would have been miserable in WCW because he wouldn't be as close to the main event there as he was in the WWF. While he would be traveling with his friends, he would bitch about Hulk Hogan and the WCW politics ruining his career. If he would return to the WWF after that, he would accepted but he wouldn't achieve the level of stardom that he did.

If shawn would of went too wcw bret would of went to ecw lol

lookin real skinny in that pic

Shawn would not have been a success in WCW... Hogan was THE man there just like he was in WWf/WWE when he was there. Even when they went with Bret as champ, Hogan played it to get the title back and refused to put Bret over for the future. And that was when Shawn was still a midcard player. Coming over as a former WWf/E champ, he would have ended up like Hall and Nash at best till Hogan left. Look at Bret. When he went to WCW he was put below Hogan till a blow up happened and he left... Shawn would not been able to have been himself and been allowed to showcase his abilities of a main event talent, cause with so many playing games there, he would have been hard to maintain a top 5 guy. 1, would have been Hogan, 2, Sting, 3, Nash with 4 Hall. After that it would have been Macho, DDP, Giant, and Goldberg... Shawn skill wise would have been a top 3 talent for sure, but with so many playing control and such, he would have felt to the way side more likely,

Shawn just doesn't fit the WCW mold - at least not at the time. A lot of those guys in the nWo (and I'm a forty year fan, for context - I remember this well) were either past their prime or just getting over the hill from their prime. So while the nWo was white hot, Shawn Michaels had more of an edginess to him that just doesn't fit the fabric of WCW wrestling. I know Bret Hart was mishandled there, but he just didn't fit either. Bret had attitude, so did Shawn. Guys like Nash, Hall, etc. were "cool bad" as opposed to "edgy, pissed off, raw bad." It's not that he wouldn't have necessarily fit in, he could have. It's just Shawn talent-wise was way beyond guys like Nash, Hogan, Luger, Giant, etc. that he would have had to dumb his style down to have three star matches as opposed to four or five like he did in WWF at the time with more athletic guys at the top of the card - as opposed to WCW - where a lot of the more athletic guys were midcarders (that eventually became top-level stars in WWF/E when they came over). I know his buddies were there, but it would have been weird. There was something old school about WCW wrestling at the time, even with the nWo being awesome. WWF was very edgy and raw and it just fit his personality for the time where he could be himself at that time.

HBK was the only wrestler to be home grown from the WWF/WWE & stayed with them for the longest time. No matter if it was his choice or not. Now Taker came from the WCW as a jobber but did not became a star until he came to the WWF/WWE but by the time Taker came to the WWE HBK already had 2 to 3 yrs over him being in the WWF cuz HBK 1st came to them in 1987 but was fired with Marty but Vince gave them a 2nd chance which was in 1988 & the rest is history & he went on to have a great career in the WWF/WWE

@Sokolikjr

8 жыл бұрын

+Robert Fluet Ok I just missed that fact sry my bad. But besides that I was right about everything else ur right about the AWA just forgot to add that fact ty 4 pointing that out to me

@mr.dccomics9018

8 жыл бұрын

The Rock and HBK

@YTC1234

8 жыл бұрын

HBK is from WCCW and AWA

@dilungmoveityafool777

8 жыл бұрын

Shawn Michaels wasn't home grown from WWE, he wrestled in NWA and AWA with Marty Jennety as a tag team. the Undertaker a jobber? What? He wasn't a big star in WCW, but he was far from a jobber.

@Sokolikjr

8 жыл бұрын

KZread Takers matches while being the the WCW u will see enough said.

One of the most ungrateful spoiled wrestlers I've ever seen in my life. This guy and his buddies were involved in the Kliq backstage politics. Getting away with bullying people, harassing people, burying talent and getting main event and WWF title pushes but still wasn't good enough for him. Faked his injuries too many times and "lost his smile", while he was at home he was receiving over $13,000 a week but that's very little to live up to HBK's expectations. Atleast Bret Hart was a loyal serious athlete who was very loyal to Vince and showed up nearly every night, yet people put him down for his apparent bitterness and lack of professionalism for not wanting to lose the belt in Montreal while at the same time support a guy like Michaels without any doubt of his professionalism and loyalty to the company. You HBK fans would sit there and shame Bret Hart, but at least he wouldn't embarrass himself by appearing on live TV and show his ass to the world.

Dubya cee dubya

Shawn and triple H are closet homosexuals. Shawn’s been called out for being one of the biggest sissies ever in the industry.

Shawn Michaels needs to tell every non WWE wrestler to stay the fuck away from WWE because they won't have creative freedom in WWE. Just go to AEW or just stay in AEW.

Let’s Hear Shawn Michaels Alternate Reality WCW Name and Nickname??? Whatcha Got Creatives? I’ll start- Sean Mikes aka The Broken Heart Man, bc face it WCW wasn’t that original and would be that lazy, and his real name wouldn’t work like The Outsiders or modern example Adam Edge Copeland

do u guys really think if hbk went to wcw the wwf would of died lol come on back stage politics and crazy egos are some of the things that caused wcw downfall u don't think Shawn would of contributed to that..

@futuregohan4837

6 жыл бұрын

Undertaker Would've Kept WWF Afloat And Then Undertaker Buries

Shawn in WCW wouldve been career suicide.

At 2:00 he says "all the other guys" but it's a shot soley at Brett Hart, all the other guys would have to include Hall & Nash and moving to WCW absolutely MADE them, no matter how big they were in the WWF