Shaq On His Place In The GOAT Conversation
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In this clip, Shaquille O'Neal talks about the GOAT conversation with Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant and more and why he doesn't want to even be considered in the conversation.
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"Barkley with a ring..... Oh my gosh you couldn't tell him nothin". Too funny haha.
@WriteWhatISee
Ай бұрын
A ring and MVP during prime Mike era? Nah Charles would be out here big stepping 🤣
@falcon1378
Ай бұрын
@@WriteWhatISee Charles prolly be the owner of the suns by now
@WriteWhatISee
Ай бұрын
@@falcon1378 He’d be what Magic is for the Lakers organization off one chip alone. He damn near would cherish that title over Shaq 4 just because it would’ve been on Mike head.
@tennisCharlzz
Ай бұрын
But boy did he deserve that ring!
@jamesrawlins735
Ай бұрын
@@tennisCharlzz No doubt - so many greats that could never get it - Karl Malone is another - Dominique - Patrick Ewing
Shaq had the greatest potential of all time. If he'd stayed focused and in shape he would've been in the GOAT conversation.
@3lastname390
Ай бұрын
Or the GOAT, that's how high his potential is.
@DeepfriedBaby
Ай бұрын
He said he didn't do the underhand free throws because of ego and he regrets it.
@jblaze600
Ай бұрын
If he just stayed in shape and stuck with Kobe. Those two would be the greatest duo which they might be and have 6 rings. They three-peated with the legendary Spurs and Sacramento Kings in the West.
@RampageYI
Ай бұрын
Don't know what you talking about but that's usually the case.
@Rileylmao_
Ай бұрын
yall need to stop disrespecting Shaq's longevity, he was drafted in 1992 and was 2nd in MVP voting in 2005
He won 4 chips and 3 of them he was the best player. He is in the Top 10 all time.
@nazeefchowdhury2443
Ай бұрын
all 4 of them bro. wade aint winning that without shaq
@adammohammed4959
Ай бұрын
@@nazeefchowdhury2443true but wade was the best player
@_.Jon._
Ай бұрын
@@nazeefchowdhury2443 Uhh you might want to go back and look at that 05-06 Miami team. He was not the best player on that team by any metric.
@MushMunkey
Ай бұрын
@@nazeefchowdhury2443 my nigga he got benched in that finals Lmao. The first few years he was in miami he was going off though
@snupedummy
Ай бұрын
He had someone else who was a top 5 player in the league at the time for all his chips
Shaq's love for Barkley is undeniable. All those "how many rings ya got?" were just for entertainment. There are bus riders and bus drivers. Barkley was a monster in his day, and despite not having a ring, he is a motherfucking bus driver. He didn't get selected for the 92 Dream Team for no reason.
@davetrachtenberg6855
Ай бұрын
Barkley was to Jordan (2nd, sometimes 3rd best players in the league for a huge stretch) same as Durant was to LeBron, not in terms of rings, but quality of player for his era. Barkley is his peak Sixers years and Phoenix was just incredible.
@fp3977
26 күн бұрын
carried the dream team
@billbones92
21 күн бұрын
More importantly, he was the best player on the 92 dream team. Look it up.
Watching this video reminded me of the quote “The definition of hell is: Your last day on Earth, the person you became meets the person you could have become.”
@2011hwalker
Ай бұрын
Life isnt only achievement and grinding, its also enjoying the journey. Shaq enjoyed his life more than most. Becoming happy is the goal.
@Calidastas
Ай бұрын
I have to purposely avoid this exact thought. It can drive you so crazy you forget to live.
@BijinMCMXC
Ай бұрын
😱
@TheGreatestJediOfAllTime
Ай бұрын
And if my Aunt had nuts she’d be my uncle. What a meaningless quote. Not profound or deep.
@roycedot
Ай бұрын
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Big man showing some humility
@StepcurryNgPinas
Ай бұрын
bigman cant shoot only can bully players. now if bigman can shoot then they will be great ofcourse they need to win chips
@nachonachoman
Ай бұрын
A lot of big men couldn't bully players. You need to have explosiveness and have good hands besides being big. I'm not a Lakers homer and I hated those two when they were playing but ppl rly don't give Shaq enough credit now. Tons of teams tooled their roster just to try to deal with him, carrying an extra big or two to try to get by them. Not many players you can say that of
@llmrwhiskers3546
Ай бұрын
@@nachonachoman100%! He’s the reason a lot of unskilled 7 footers became millionaires
@H1GHD3FF
Ай бұрын
This is Shaq
@AK-74K
Ай бұрын
@@nachonachomanShaq had great feet as well, not just hands
Peak Shaq from 2000, 2001 and 2002 is one of the goats. Peak for peak he is up there
@marlonmejias8797
Ай бұрын
Can't be a goat if you can't make free throws. Same with Lebron. If team can't depend on you to ice the game on free throw line you are not the goat. NBA had to make up rules to counter hack a s Shaq in last 2 minutes of the game.
@nicksavov5027
Ай бұрын
@@marlonmejias8797 No rules were changed in response to hack-a-shaq. Zero. Nada. Zilch.
@reignmans
Ай бұрын
can't be. his peak he was just almost unstoppable offensively. he didnt lead the league in rebounds or blocks, he wasnt really a defensive presence. it was all about bully ball.
@jaystacks5249
Ай бұрын
@@marlonmejias8797 Bron shoots over 75% for a career. Tell us you hate without telling us
@sambeaumont395
Ай бұрын
Peak for peak box score maybe. Factor in his competition (or more lack thereof) and he loses a lot of spots.
“You need your Alfred’s” damn that’s good
@michaeldiaz2411
29 күн бұрын
Elaborate
@yzwme586
21 күн бұрын
@@michaeldiaz2411 bro JJ explains it in the video.
So Happy to see JJ get an appearance on the JJ Redick podcast! That man is everywhere these days 💪
if shaq shot 70% from the free throw line he would b in the conversation
@Leo-gh7nz
Ай бұрын
Not really. This gets thrown around a lot, but in the big picture it's meaningless. If he shot 70% he would have had about 2000 more points in his career. That would only move him up above Durant in the all-time list, and Durant would pass him up eventually anyway. So he'd be in the exact same spot on that list. And Shaq somewhat had a point about "making them when it matters". Honestly give me a situation Shaq didn't win a title he otherwise could have if he had just made 70% of his free throws. Didn't happen. Dude still won 4. Ironically the only title he missed out on due to free throws was probably 1995 when Nick Anderson was the one who missed 4 straight.
@timeflies313
Ай бұрын
Not really. He still couldn’t shoot a three, so there’s already a hole in his game. I know he didn’t NEED to shoot from outside the arc, but you can’t change the fact that he really couldn’t shoot the basketball from outside the paint. That’s not GOAT material. Jordan was a mid three point shooter, Lebron is a mid free throw and three point shooter, and Kareem also didn’t shoot threes, just skyhook for days. But you can’t change the fact that those guys at least ATTEMPTS and makes those shots occasionally even though they were weaknesses. Add in the fact that Shaq, who is EXACTLY like Lebron, with all of their God given talents isn’t really known for their defense. If Shaq and Lebron just exerted more effort on defense during their careers, people would have viewed them much more higher.
@crystalizedExposed
Ай бұрын
@@Leo-gh7nz yeah, people act like him averaging maybe 1 or 2 more points from free throws is gonna move him from out of the top 5 in most peoples lists to top 3 and in the goat conversation
@Leo-gh7nz
Ай бұрын
@@timeflies313 The D is a good point, because he was capable of it. He averaged around 3-4 blocks early in his career and he was 2nd in DPOY voting in his MVP season. He allowed himself to get too big/bulky and this impacted his movement but also his stamina/effort on the defensive end.
@jla3562
Ай бұрын
Shaq is getting your whole team in the penalty ill take that any day
This conversation is so good, thank you both.
"I get jealous that my name is not in that greatest of all time..." If you would have started every season in shape, hit your free throws so that teams didn't devise an entire functional strategy of stopping you in the fourth by hacking you, and devoted all of your considerable talent and ability to your primary craft (which wasn't your acting or rap)... you would be in that conversation 100%.
@mattmohi970
Ай бұрын
or if he just learned to use his left hand. He could have been the hands down best player of all time. He's not even considered the best Center of all time.
@chump1971
Ай бұрын
100% agree. I'd take Hakeem or Kareem over Shaq any day, all day. But I love Shaq for his objectivity about his career.
@DanielRidore
Ай бұрын
lol some of y’all act like these athletes should just play and practice their sport 24/7. But y’all can’t wait to leave work
@angeltodorov5918
Ай бұрын
if he had one fifth of Kobe's work ethic... GOAT... by a landslide
@diegotheyorkie1420
Ай бұрын
If “if” was a fifth we’d all be drunk
only 2 that should be in the conversation is lebron and MJ
@nessdagoat
Ай бұрын
You tweakin out LeBron shouldn’t be in that conversation over Kobe in any way shape or form.
@astromigui
Ай бұрын
Kareem and Russell too
@monisingh356
Ай бұрын
kareem also.
@Dottor_J
Ай бұрын
I think Kareem should be there too, his overall resume is crazy deep
@drzalejandro7
Ай бұрын
And Joker then Edwards when theyre done
Love how Shaq always adds Kobe to the goat convos 🙏🏾
If Shaq took care of his body, took offseason and practice seriously, continuously added to his game ever year, he would have been in the conversation for GOAT. GOAT level performance and consistency doesnt start and end in the live games, its everything that happens in the background. Lebron, MJ, Kareem, Bill, Kobe, these guys are notorious for taking no shortcuts.
This is an amazing interview.
Shaq has been so honest through the years. He is one the person that can still give us a piece of Kobe that we lost. 💔
Shaq is a good example of why you never leave anything in the tank when you do anything. like Kobe said if Shaq was in the gym like Kobe they’d have 10 rings and he would be in that conversation.
@Scientist287
Ай бұрын
Awesome advice, I’m assuming you live by it yourself? How many rings do you have?
@mansoursoltani247
Ай бұрын
Oh oh Shaq has seen your comment haha
@raiderjedi4160
Ай бұрын
@@Scientist287😂😂😂
@charlesplymail1721
Ай бұрын
@@Scientist287dumbass Remark of the day!
@christopherconcept926
Ай бұрын
Exactly. This is why he isn’t in that convo. He underachieved. He had a stretch where he was the most dominant player but over the course an entire career, he is not in the GOAT convo
I've always respected Shaq's introspection, truly marks how mature he's become over the years and being honest with himself.
Shaq with the humility is rare. He’s right, it’s MJ, LeBron on top, and then everyone else under them. Shaq is easily a top 10 talent all time however, most dominant without question
@Max-ys3xg
Ай бұрын
I'd throw Kareem somewhere in there with MJ and Bron too, but agreed.
@freedomfilms974
Ай бұрын
Exactly, no question about it. Prime Shaq was the most unstoppable force who ever played the game but you can’t put him in the Mj and Bron talk. In fact, they’re the only ones at this point.
@klimundas1
Ай бұрын
Better then kobe?! And magic and kareem stop...
@hashmoncrief6965
Ай бұрын
Actually actually Shaq said Jordan and LeBron and you got to throw Kobe in there, quit being haters Kobe should be talked about as the greatest ever, you don't like it, that's your problem, if you're taking Kobe out, you most definitely got to take LeBron out.
@YourFavouriteDraugr
Ай бұрын
Shaq for top10 is extremely close, but also weird. After LeBron and Jordan, there's 8 spots left - Kareem, Hakeem, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Kobe - these 7 feel like a lock as well. Shaq would be the final name with those. But then the argument needs to be had regarding Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Steph/Durant/Giannis/Jokic from current times sooner rather than later. And whilst with whichever bias someone approaches that discussion, in any facet of the game, the easiest target for the discussion of being dropped from the top 10 in any of those names' favour would start at Shaq.
if shaq was in 2001 shape all his career its not the same convo
@MrE_
Ай бұрын
If shaq was in that shape and actually tried hard, he wouldn't have had that much beef with kobe who just wanted to keep shaq accountable and to be in shape. They would have definitely completed the 4peat, and they definitely could have gotten a couple more rings together in the mid to late 2000s as shaq declines and kobe rises. Shaq and kobe could have been seen as goats 1 and 2 if shaq tried harder
@cesorum
Ай бұрын
Lol 2000 you mean. He was actually out of shape for a good part of the 2001 season
@AstroSully
8 күн бұрын
@@cesorumAnd he was still unstoppable 😭
Prime Shaq was the GOAT of physical dominance. No one compares.
@prince21781
Ай бұрын
Wilt and LeBron up there as far as physical beasts
@lightbeforethetunnel
Ай бұрын
@@prince21781 They're physical specimens for sure, but Shaq was just something else when he got the ball inside close to the rim. Totally unstoppable force.
@yourfavouriteusername
Ай бұрын
@@lightbeforethetunneljust like Wilt, except Wilt was even more
@okdude8215
Ай бұрын
Dennis Rodman and Yao Ming did. Wilt was another beast entirely.@@lightbeforethetunnel
@lightbeforethetunnel
Ай бұрын
@yourfavouriteusername It's not the same with Wilt, even though he was stronger. Idk why but Shaq just came across as more physically dominant inside, in how he played, than anyone else, to me.
Big guy. Be proud of what you accomplished. You get to sit at the table. So many players would love to have the honor to be there. In that room.
I love Shaq and chucks friendship
As Bulls a fan I have to correct Shaq..... If Pax misses that shot doesn't necessarily mean Chuck would have a ring, the series just would've went to game 7, and we can't predict the outcome of that🙃
@andrewmoluf4299
Ай бұрын
I love Chuck but Jordan is never giving him back his lunch money lol
@tomt5482
Ай бұрын
I agree. Comparing Kyrie's iso 3 with a minute left to Paxson's open 3 with just seconds to go is crazy. One is a star player taking over during a big moment in place of the "GOAT" while the other is a role player doing their job when called upon.
@lilfolkes
Ай бұрын
@@tomt5482 facts.... The Suns still had a chance to win the game after Pax's 3
@djfriedice7754
Ай бұрын
Very true. A game 7 would still had to have to be played. So, no guarantee that Barkley would get a ring. Also, Horace Grant cleanly blocked Kevin Johnson's shot at the end after Pax made that 3. And Jordan was never bailed out (according to LeFemme femboys). Jordan kept the Bulls in the entire game as leading scorer.
@MrDragonkarp
Ай бұрын
@@djfriedice7754 Horace Grant never gets the credit he deserves I feel
Shaq will forever be top 10. It’s when you start getting down to that top 5 the longevity he didn’t have hurt him.
@MrE_
Ай бұрын
Maybe not even forever. He's in the bottom half of the top 10, so modern players could pass him up one day. Curry is already up there probably ahead of him and his career ain't over yet.
@altfiwithleighlommen310
Ай бұрын
I don't know. He's around Top 10. I can rattle off 10 quickly that can challenge him
@WriteWhatISee
Ай бұрын
@@MrE_ All respect to Curry I’ve never had him above Shaq and don’t now. I also don’t see anything further at 35+ Curry is doing with his team to move him up that argument. But yes if Jokic or Giannis win 2 more rings they could potentially edge a top 10/12 spot out.
@YourFavouriteDraugr
Ай бұрын
@@WriteWhatISee There is a real tossup already for the final 1 or 2 spots of the top 10. Shaq is part of that tossup. Olajuwon vs. Shaq is a debate as old as most basketball fans are today, and the only argument in favour of Shaq was the intangible 'dominance', whereas Hakeem was simply the better all around center. Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, and even the likes of Jerry West are underappreciated due to recency bias alone, by myself included. Most "expert" top 10s you'll read will have 2 out of these 5 inside it. And there are already four current names that have a very real possibility of ending up in the top 10 as is with Steph, Durant, Giannis, and Jokic, with some "expert" lists sprinkling them in to stand out in exchange of any of the ones above.
@Gurmo86
Ай бұрын
@@YourFavouriteDraugr I am a huge Olajuwon fan and his game speaks for itself but I think we sometimes get lost in the beauty of Olajuwon's game. Shaq's offensive efficiency and the effect it had on the opposing team's game plans and roster construction is something Olajuwon never approached. I feel it is unfair to say Olajuwon is simply the better all-around center.
Lol the end of this video though 😂
Madddddd love for SHAQ…. Humility, performance, and intelligence … big up
Nice to hear him be ok with Dwight and his name in the same sentence. Good on ya Shaq
@eyeconqueror1185
Ай бұрын
Dwight was better for Orlando. No hate to Shaq because he basically made our franchise.
@Aubee89
Ай бұрын
@@eyeconqueror1185 Dwight's Orlando run was absolutely incredible. ain't no doubt
@jrfirefiher
Ай бұрын
But not wilt?
@Doknot-tb9ey
Ай бұрын
@@eyeconqueror1185 Shaq was better in Orlando.
Shaq is the most dominant center of all time in my opinion. Watching him as a kid on the lakers 3Peating was awesome. Still the last team to win 3 in a row. It was like Thanos collecting infinity stones in the avengers. The DIESEL! 💪🏽🏀
@bobbythespaceghost9934
Ай бұрын
It's Wilt Chamberlain for me.
@troll-fx2zc
Ай бұрын
Big Country destroyed Shaq everytime they played
@troll-fx2zc
Ай бұрын
@@jacky6293 what you talkin about, Willis
@kevinlakeman5043
Ай бұрын
The point is, you were a kid. You didn't grow up watching season after season of the great centers and teams of the 70'-mid-90's. Of course he was dominant over Big Country, 6'9" Mourning, old Mutombo, the Collins twins, Ostertag, Earvin Johnson and the like. And that 3-peat was vs. 3 of the weakest teams I've ever seen make the finals. When he faced a legit team in the finals, his Lakers team got dominated 4-1.
@danieldanielson2324
Ай бұрын
They made rules to limit Shaq. Teams drafted and constructed their teams to try and stop Shaq
Shaq is my goat bro. Favorite basketball player of all time, and genuinely one of my favorite human beings all time.
The mere thought of Charles Barkley winning a ring legit gave Shaq heart palpitations😂
When doing fantasy drafts in NBA 2K some people do choose Shaq first overall. Based on that I would say depending on what you want your team to be some could say Shaq is the GOAT.
@GameArmorGameplay
Ай бұрын
Real players know.
@andrewshaver8546
Ай бұрын
@@GameArmorGameplay Real 2k players know who the real life GOAT was? Not like 2k is representing out-of-shape, not-practicing-free-throws Shaq. They give you the best version of him. Dude was a monster, but he literally got pulled in clutch moments and ends of games sometimes because he couldn't hit his free throws. Is that something that should be happening to the best player of all time?
@andrewshaver8546
Ай бұрын
It's like saying Bo Jackson was the greatest football player of all time because he was untouchable in Tecmo Bowl.
@sambeaumont395
Ай бұрын
In the context of a one-off exhibition game with players from all era’s at their peak - Shaq could look like a very early pick - but I do question with all the other stars present in the game is he going to get the favourable non-calls that allowed him to throw elbows, step through his defender or bounce them off his when backing down? NBA2K can’t/doesn’t factor this sort of thing in, but reality would.
JJ Reddick, I just want you to know that this is the best interview that anybody has ever gave shaq. These are the best questions. I know everything about Shaquille O’Neal but these were different and the answers were different because it’s usually the same and the way you came with that you could tell you did your research. I just appreciate you.
@jamesmelton7413
Ай бұрын
Opinions vary..
You’re definitely in that conversation big guy!
I was not expecting JJ to display such knowledge of comic book movies, I’m impressed.
@dl30wpb
Ай бұрын
Actually, he didn't display knowledge as the part he talked about didn't happen at the beginning but near the end.
No wonder he didn’t vote for joker for mvp
@user-nm5ry4xt5g
Ай бұрын
Jj is a joke. The fact he compared Paxson to Kyrie is laughable. Paxson was open because of mj passing when double teamed and catch n shoot wide open. Kyrie went iso 1v1 because he's the best scorer on the team. It's literally idiotic to compare this.
@rodentblade
Ай бұрын
@@user-nm5ry4xt5gyou missed the whole point of his example 😭he's just trying to say it's a team sport you need good people around you to win
@allusion1232
Ай бұрын
@@user-nm5ry4xt5g hes saying mj and lebron didn't shoot that game winner, and that ultimately neither could've won without their teammates stepping up and supporting
@user-nm5ry4xt5g
Ай бұрын
@allusion1232 I know what he said you obviously don't know what I said. It's a dumb comparison.
@user-nm5ry4xt5g
Ай бұрын
@rodentblade it's a dumb comparison. That fact he took a comparison that isn't even in the same universe shows how much better MJ is than Lebron. Lebron was even the best at getting a bucket on his team let alone to be mentioned with MJ. Lebron is overrated. Duncan is better than Lebron. Anyone that knows basketball will take Duncan over lebron.
Duncan needs some love
@harp1288
Ай бұрын
He’s top 5, people just don’t know enough about basketball to notice him
Chuck out here catching strays LMFAOOOOOOO 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Guard and Small Forward Position players are more well rounded so people view them as better players overall.
Shaq is definitely top 10. He's the most dominant player ever to me. I know people say Kareem had the most unstoppable shot but I say Shaq's dunking is lol. He's the most dominant force I've ever seen.
@jamesrawlins735
Ай бұрын
In this case Shaq is referring to Wilt. No one will ever catch Wilt when it comes to rebounding.
@DanielaCumana-oy7mg
Ай бұрын
Top fvcking 10??!! He's higher than that.
@KingKiller5555555555
Ай бұрын
@@jamesrawlins735 I was not alive when Wilt played. That's what I was referring to.
@YourFavouriteDraugr
Ай бұрын
Shaq for top10 is extremely close, but also weird. After LeBron and Jordan, there's 8 spots left - Kareem, Hakeem, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Kobe - these 7 feel like a lock as well. Shaq would be the final name with those. But then the argument needs to be had regarding Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Steph/Durant/Giannis/Jokic from current times sooner rather than later, and maybe it's jsut me but Shaq is the first name that would drop out in favour of any of the above.
@KingKiller5555555555
Ай бұрын
@@YourFavouriteDraugr See where it would get weird for me is Bill or Shaq because I agree 100 percent with those other names.
Respect to shaq for recognizing the truth. He is one of the greats, he’s definitely not in consideration for GOAT status tho. He was to 1 dimensional to be considered the actual GOAT. He’s definitely in #1 GOAT talk for his position tho.
@sambeaumont395
Ай бұрын
I disagree. Wilt, Kareem and Hakeem all push Shaq out of the conversation [for GOAT center], arguments could be made for others pushing him down even further.
Shaq one of the best to ever do it.
shaq ALWAYS shouts out " the others " also thanking paxton is gold 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Shaq with 75% FTs would have been the GOAT
@troll-fx2zc
Ай бұрын
Not 74% though
@anonymousl5150
Ай бұрын
Shaq even with 100% ft was less efficient than prime Steph Curry if we look at TS%. And if we're looking at defense, Shaq was a good rim protector but terrible on the perimeter so it's a wash.
@jeju6892
Ай бұрын
@@anonymousl5150 found the analytic nerd kid. Imagine thinking prime Steph is better than prime Shaq lmaoooo
@back2back379
Ай бұрын
@@anonymousl5150 Shaq would have laid out Steph once in his era and it would make Steph never even consider going into the lane ever again. And before you counter with saying he doesn't need to get in the lane cause he can just shoot 3s, if all he needed to do was just chuck 3s, that's what he'd always be doing, but he doesn't, because he needs to keep the threat of what he does in the lane for his 3 pt game to be effective.
@anonymousl5150
Ай бұрын
@@back2back379 Steph has 2 rings with bums as his 2nd offensive threats, Shaq has 0. He also has a far superior regular season record. I literally proved Shaq was not as dominant as the numbers suggest because I literally gave 100% ft hypothetically, and he was still less efficient than Curry.
Shaq is a 🐐 and most dominant. Orlando Shaq has not been duplicated since
Not only is he still the last player to 3 peat the finals MVP, the NBA changed the illegal defense rule at an attempt to slow him down. That's the most significant rule change in the NBA in the last 40 years and is also the reason so many 3s are taken today. The NBA stepping in to change how defense is played to slow you down puts you in the GOAT conversation.
Shaq was one of my fav players growing up, I followed him since he was a rookie. He should have worked hard to just maintain his rookie physique. He came in at around 300 lbs. He was only 20 so most players do fill out a bit as they get older, but not to the extent Shaq allowed himself to. I think the impact this had on his game/stats was a bit overblown as even when he was really big he was still dominant. But it impacted his injury history and he probably would have been more effective and putting up better numbers as he got older. He seriously got into weight lifting in the mid to late 90s and I thought that was bizarre. You could tell he had added a lot of muscle sure, but also was just bulkier and heavier as well. Even as a rookie his strength was never an issue, he was already bullying everyone in the paint. In today's NBA no s&c coach would allow him to lift heavy like that and get that bulky.
@sambeaumont395
Ай бұрын
IMO him getting bigger allowed him to be dominant - not saying a slimmer, more athletic, higher stamina Shaq wouldn’t have dominated it just would have been different, at a lower weight his opponents would have matched up a little better regardless. Through his Championships and MVP who did he actually dominate?
@Leo-gh7nz
Ай бұрын
@@sambeaumont395 Shaq led the league in scoring his 3rd season, and was 2nd in his 2nd season only after David Robinson went crazy in the last game. Point being, he was already physically dominant and putting up monster stats by his second season when he was still relatively slim (by Shaq's standards). He also played 81 games his second season and never played that many games again. People keep whining about his free throws, but he would have been a much greater asset to his team if he had just stayed in shape and limited the injuries that come from being so big and sometimes out of shape.
@sambeaumont395
Ай бұрын
@@Leo-gh7nz - never said he wasn’t dominant, or that he wouldn’t have been dominant if in better shape (lower weight) through those championship years. But his weight - often 80lb+ advantage was a key factor in him dominating while winning championships. Without that weight maybe he would have been more athletic (not lost so much of it) and had better stamina, health etc. But again during the 7 or so seasons between his first and last championships his weight was a massive reason for his dominance - creating possibly the biggest mismatches of NBA history (between his size and absolute decline at the position). However, the gap between him and the next guy may not have been so great if he wasn’t so big.
People sleep on Oscar Robertson for top 5. Guy literally averaged 31 ppg 12rb 12 ast for a whole season. 😂 Hes 14th in scoring and that’s without dunking or 3s. Lead the nba in assists 6 times. 12 time all star and 11 time all pro.
@jishafish5691
Ай бұрын
He never won enough
@MrBacon-ou1kw
Ай бұрын
1 chip isn't enough for top 5, also was out of his prime at that point with prime kareem. You need atleast 3 to be in that convo imo. Also only has 1 MVP. Nah he's not even top 10.
Shaq is a top 10 all time best player. The order goes: Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Kareem, Kobe, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Wilt Chamberlain, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Curry.
@albinomaybe2323
Ай бұрын
Russell instead of Duncan
@aricrudd6579
Ай бұрын
Don’t put Kobe top five. Disrespectful to everyone else in the top ten to put him above them.
@oceanwaves83
Ай бұрын
@@aricrudd6579some people value peak play over career, it is what it is.
@YourFavouriteDraugr
Ай бұрын
Not having Hakeem in the top10 is quite criminal, but there is a real tossup for the final 1 or 2 spots of the top 10. Shaq is part of that tossup.
@mickymickymike4105
Ай бұрын
@@YourFavouriteDraugr Kareem is top 3 on my list. Did you miss it?
4:15 whatttttt is this lol his brain goin back n forth w itself lolol
4:24 Shaq said that like a 13 year old troll and it’s absolutely hilarious
Most Dominant Center of all time, if he kept up with his health, homie might have been the goat 💯
@johncooper9746
Ай бұрын
After Wilt
@MistaTofMaine
Ай бұрын
I have to put Shaq behind wilt but I have Shaq 2nd most dominant. If wilt could have backed down like Shaq was allowed to he could have averaged 75 ppg a season.
He's there if you talk GOAT by position.
@brendanbloom3366
Ай бұрын
He’s the 5th best center but he’s better than any non big.
@therealbigboss101
Ай бұрын
yup, Shaq the goat center
@MrBacon-ou1kw
Ай бұрын
@@brendanbloom3366 5th best in what metric? If we're talking prime vs prime, I'm pretty sure Shaq would bodybag any other center on the list. However I can see the argument against him if we're talking career accomplishments and longevity.
@brendanbloom3366
Ай бұрын
@@MrBacon-ou1kw metric? There are 4 centers better at basketball than him. Hes not body bagging wilt. Wilt is a better scorer, passer, defender, and rebounder and he’s bigger stronger faster more athletic and better endurance. Shaq is a better scorer than Russell but like Shaq Russell could dunk on anybody and he would dominate even more in shaqs era where they weren’t super strict on offensive fouls. Russell is a far better defender and he’s a better passer rebounder and athlete. Kareem is a better scorer defender and passer than Shaq. Both shaq and Hakeem are unstoppable scorers but Hakeem is a far better defender.
@MrBacon-ou1kw
Ай бұрын
@@brendanbloom3366 So many things wrong in that paragraph. First of all, the reality is those early eras of basketball you mentioned were far less competitive. A lot of the guys back then didn't play basketball full time because it didn't pay enough, and one of the greatest of that era (cousy) couldn't even dribble with his left hand. Elgin baylor for example was in the military during his days and only played on the weekends for a whole season. Given the competition it's impossible to compare Shaqs numbers and accomplishments to guys like Wilt and Russell because they were dominating far worse players, objectively. Kareem has a better resume than Shaq for sure, but imo prime vs prime Shaq is bodybagging him 1 on 1. Hakeem is tougher but I'm still taking prime Shaq over him.
He's in my goat conversation for sure
It is funny to hear him say this since he never seemed to take it all that seriously and spent a lot of time being out of shape. His effort has him properly slotted
if shaq had even a fraction of the work ethic kobe had, him being the goat wouldnt be up for discussion, im still taking prime shaq over any players in nba history, the only other player i might consider is 2018 or 2013 lebron, imo other than that no one else comes close to prime shaq
@tees6675
Ай бұрын
averaging 38 points per game in the finals is absolutely insane. he was a freak of nature...
@givemhades
Ай бұрын
Yall just be talking. You don’t become Shaq without having a work ethic.
@douglaswalker7707
Ай бұрын
@@givemhades well he clearly didnt have that same work ethic later in his career which is why him and kobe split in the first place, and why he way almost 400 pounds later in his career
@Max-ys3xg
Ай бұрын
I'd consider a couple, just off the top of my head: 2018 Bron, 2013 Bron, 91 MJ, 93 MJ, and 94 Hakeem.
Shaq is higher than Kobe
@Sectrix2pp
Ай бұрын
That's what I've been saying
@RehanX44
Ай бұрын
it don't matter people dont like shaq as they like other goat players
@presidentialkingdom2201
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂 y’all are a joke man I stg.
@Montbtw
Ай бұрын
I think most would say that Shaq had higher highs. Personally, I would put Kobe ahead of him for the totality of his career. Shaq really wasn’t impacting much at all later in his career.
@douglaswalker7707
Ай бұрын
lmao no hes not, kobe more rings and had a better career, kobes career didnt end well because of injuries, shaqs didnt end well because he got too fat
Great Batman Begins analogy.
You are definitely in the top 10.
Only LeBron and MJ are in the conversation. Not Kobe or KD or Curry or Bird. Only Bron and MJ.
@Max-ys3xg
Ай бұрын
I'd add Kareem somewhere in there but agreed. Bron and MJ are in a tier above everyone else.
@be4st856
Ай бұрын
kobe is a better individual player and leader than lebron. if kobe had lebron's teams, there's absolutely zero chance he'd have the same negative finals record. kobe beat 4 hofs with 1 hof running mate. lebron doesn't have anything close to that achievement. lebron is a great player, but he didn't have it upstairs for a majority of his career. he also has an incredibly weak offensive arsenal for a player of his caliber. at his fundamental core, he's more of a magic johnson (a support player) than he is the feature, and that's why he needs so much help to get the job done, if he's going to be the number 1 option. he doesn't have the individual skillset to be a closer, so he always needs 1 because he can't create a great shot on demand. he dominates transition play and mismatches.
@stizanley3987
Ай бұрын
@@be4st856 lol. Cope harder LOL
@be4st856
Ай бұрын
@@stizanley3987 dont have to. I laid out facts that dismisses any notion lebron is better. The only one who has to cope is you
@stizanley3987
Ай бұрын
@@be4st856 lol. I can't. I don't have the time to play with you, but thanks for the laughs.
shaq reveals that he has childish emotional maturity
@litodat233
10 күн бұрын
I mean he be the first to tell u that
@Nunya7211
9 күн бұрын
You cant handle nuance. Stay in your lane.
His goat status happened with the moves he made off the court. Shaq is an outstanding human being.
Shaq is top ten in my books and i think that's arguable in any top 10 conversation!
There's no GOAT conversation. There's MJ and then there's a fight for 2nd best player ever if you want...
@marvinesquibel2625
Ай бұрын
No shut up there’s obviously a Goat conversation and kareeem And Lebron are both in it 😂Take it out your fuckin mouth already y’all are such a joke and it even funny anymore just flat out embarrassing the amount of D riding you old fucks do on MJ🤦🏽♂️
@marvinesquibel2625
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@marvinesquibel2625
Ай бұрын
LMAOO
@KavalanSol
Ай бұрын
In the words of the great Bird: "Who of you mf's is coming second?"
@jaimed.9154
29 күн бұрын
MJ is not as good as lebron as a player but he sure is more succesful. Thats what makes the debate. The perfect resume vs the one-man franchise. I get it you like MJ but dont be so delusional
Mj would be coming off the bench for most teams today
@snupedummy
Ай бұрын
To athletic and his midrange was to good he would of found his way
@Saul.2910
Ай бұрын
Congrats! This is the dumbest thing I’ve read in 2024
@scottmulhollen3303
Ай бұрын
@@Saul.2910agreed
@jamesh3948
Ай бұрын
I agree but he’s 61, give the man a break.
@310wenative3
Ай бұрын
Stay off the crack my nigga seriously
People don’t think Shaq as a goat because he doesn’t give off the hero vibe. The Laziness, the hack a shaq, always making fun…..but if u can look past all that and see all the raw power of his, he’s probably the goat.
Man that Alfred analogy is on point.
Idec im gonna say it, Shaq is in the GOAT conversation to me. Everyone in the world knew what he was going to do in the post and he did it anyways and nobody could stop it and feeding him in the post was the best likelihood to score of any offense in the NBA for a decade. In his prime, every team he played with was automatically a championship favorite. Even shooting a horrible ft percentage, he made plenty of those shots through being hacked. Shaq is underrated
Greg kite reference! Wow
Hes a top 10 player of all time and beloved worldwide like almost no other athlete. Take a breathe Shaq, you done good my man
Shaq needs a hug. HE IS WITHOUT A DOUBT ONE OF THE GREATEST TO EVER TO PLAY THE GAME. And yes I shouted that because it deserved it.
Shaq is one of the greatest of all time.
from 1999-2004 Shaq was in his own league and as dominant as any player for a duration of time!
He's in my top 5 of all time.
He might not be in the basketball goat conversation, but he’s up there in the celebrity goat conversation.
He is definitely one of The 5 greatest players of all time and The greatest center of all time.
Shaq isn't in the Goat conversation but he is in the best and kindest person conversation.
I think Shaq is a great human being. Super friendly to all. Super generous with strangers. Huge heart. In regards to his playing days, I think Kobe was right. Shaq wasn't as committed as he and Jordan were. Shaq got overweight and played most of his career that way. He didn't appear to work on his free throws, and was horrific. I often wonder if Shaq was as committed as Jordan was in working out, staying lean and in shape, what kind of a career he could have had.
that batman analogy is a great perspective
Shaq is a giant person in every way🌺
Why everybody seems to forget about Big Stanley Roberts when they mention Orlando Big men. At one point in time in the Franchise history before Shaq got drafted, Big Stan used to put that team on his back every night, I would put him ahead of Greg Kite.
I have always said Shaq is in the Goat conversation. No one else was able to transcend Jordan, but Shaq. He changed how the game was played. They even had rules just for him. Shaq, you're in the conversation for those who know.
@gtf5392
Ай бұрын
I’m not a Lakers fan but Shaq is in my top 5 along with a couple other Lakers: 1. Jordan 2. Wilt 3. Kobe 4. Kareem 5. Shaq
I love that the big guy isn't delusional. And I have him and Wilt tied at most dominant ever.
If Shaq had taken better care of himself, I think he's position in GOAT debate would have been more solidified. Because he's right...I know for me, I have him in my top 10 but it's not weird to me if hear someone only have him in their 20-25 range or lower.
Shaq "i used to be sensitive, but im no longer sensitive"
Shaq is in this conversation, though. Totally respect the humility post-career, no doubt. But honestly it's Mike, LeBron, then your favorite combinations of Bill Russell, Wilt, Kobe, Shaq, Kareem etc. He is 100% in *the* conversation. Respect
Shaq has been my best of all time player.
He has 4 chips and the most dominant player to play the game. So talented and god Given frame. Never met a man shaped like a tank that can move the way he did. It’s not a question because he isn’t a Guard.
I can almost hear Charles in the background saying.. "You are just big..."
His in that conversation
7:26 😂😂
Just curious, why isn’t Wilt and Russel in the convo? I’m not going to act like I’ve seen enough footage to have a say
Definitely top 10
Top 5 center and arguably the most exciting to watch broken rims and all
GOAT middle man, for sure ❤
Shaq gets sensitive sometimes but I appreciate hearing that he has that understanding of himself.
Him and Duncan are right there, but I respect Shaqs perspective
@LazyStory
Ай бұрын
Tim Duncan is way above Shaq.
@cresv422
Ай бұрын
Not really
@NankoRi
Ай бұрын
@@LazyStory they are equal, both amazing careers
Goat should be by position, team, and era.
Shaq you have the best peak ever, unstoppable and most dominant peak