SHALLOW OR DEEP DRAFT - SwT 112 - HOW I LOOK AT KEEL OPTIONS

Shallow draft or standard keel (deep draft) is some of my most frequently asked questions last month so I decided to share my point of view. I'm not a naval architect or engineer only a sailor, but share my experience from 4 decades of sailing. It will always be pros & cons with solutions and designs and sometimes compromises. Which compromises are acceptable depends on the different sailors' approaches to sailing, so it always surprises me when some present really strong opinions as the only truth or way to go. I try to share a balanced view even though it will still be from my point of view based on the experiences I have coloring my opinions. But some factors are easy to approach via facts and not emotions. I would say performance is one of the very few angles you can be very strict in the opinion as it's physically easier to prove by evidence. If some designs are better than others on the other hand depends on what's important. Elegant lines to some looks outdated to others just as an example. I have not talked too much about long keel as this is almost impossible to buy new today as most production yachts nowadays have moved away from this. Mass production Yachts or production yachts on a smaller scale is where the volume is, so this is also more interesting to discuss when it comes to pros & cons in solutions.
I promised to share more about my boat but could not find time to do it properly for this episode so decided to put it in the next episode.
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  • @anniehubbard5315
    @anniehubbard5315 Жыл бұрын

    This video was wicked awesome! Thank you Thomas for doing this, it really helped me a lot.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your kind words. Much appreciated. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @troublekaliman
    @troublekaliman Жыл бұрын

    Excellent information and teaching methods! thanks Thomas! hope you're having another excellent day on the beautiful water today!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for being here. Happy you enjoyed this “nerdy” episode. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @kenminkoff3855
    @kenminkoff3855 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for sharing your extensive knowledge and real world experience. Cheers 🍻

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your kind words. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @francleo2002
    @francleo2002 Жыл бұрын

    I have to say, or rather, keep saying; You are incredibly deep in your selection of topics, and entertaining in explaining the tough parts with such ease. I do understand that there is editing, research, and countless experience behind this "ease". I appreciate your videos so much, not only for the informative side, but for the kind human aspect that you show. Thank you, Thomas, for more than I will ever learn here, in a landlocked city (for now)!!! Cheers!!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your kind words and inspiring feedback. Much appreciated especially for understanding the effort put into episodes like this. Your presence here is much appreciated and wish you all the best. Cheers 🍻

  • @dgasmd1
    @dgasmd1 Жыл бұрын

    I cannot tell you how simple you make explanations of things entire books are written about that are just way too much for 99% of us. Thanks

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your kind words and inspiring feedback. Glad you enjoyed this one and thank you for being here. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @ericbergdahl6971
    @ericbergdahl6971 Жыл бұрын

    You did a great job on this video explaining the difference in type's of keels.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your kind words. Cheers 🍻

  • @oomwat6101
    @oomwat6101 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this, great information :) Please DO create more of these technical videos.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your kind feedback. I will share more of this now and then in between my adventures and regular updates. It takes so much time making this kind of videos😅 All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @kentwood2914
    @kentwood2914 Жыл бұрын

    I can imagine that a lot of work went into this video. Thank you for your commitment and sharing good experience and knowledge that your experience has brought you. Great job!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for understanding the work and time put into this episode. Much appreciated! All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @jeffhidalgo8457
    @jeffhidalgo8457 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Thomas for your unique insight. Cheers Jeff

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your kind words. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @tomcraddock244
    @tomcraddock244 Жыл бұрын

    It’s always fun hanging out with Thomas !! Great video 🍺⛵️ Fair winds !!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your kind words! Thank you for being here. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @skniberg
    @skniberg Жыл бұрын

    You, Sir, are a pedagogic gem! You got it all right (and I should know, studied naval architecture though forgotten more than most ppl ever learn - aah remember all those DnV regulations and naca prop profiles! 🤪) love the illustrations, very good showing different keel behaviour etc, and the big sailing box! 😀 Great work - now don’t get too cocky you still need a haircut 😂😂 (nah no worries just trying to be funny - and I understand a comb would weigh too much to have onboard 🤣) cheers/Sophia with constantly much worse surfrufs frisyr

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Im always laughing and smiling reading your funny yet friendly comments. Thank you so much much for your kind words and always positive feedback. You obviously know more than me being a naval expert👍🏻. Much appreciated. To old to change so cocky will hopefully not be the direction either. I have a bet going not to cut my hair before the Pacific. But now I feel it suits my lifestyle as I don’t get a sunburned neck🤣 All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @billhanna8838

    @billhanna8838

    Жыл бұрын

    No combs & 1/2 a tooth brush on Peter Blakes round the world race boat & dont even think about washing = BUT he won .

  • @KoDeMondo

    @KoDeMondo

    Жыл бұрын

    I still don't understand these stupid discussions going around the Web, who decides if a boat can be considered bluewater or not? Expensive or cheaper? Good or Bad? Typology and specifications? Why doesn't a specific body establish it according to strict criteria to which all manufacturers must adhere? Who controls who and how? According to what regulation? And recognised by whom? Do we still want to believe in the fairytale of the CE mark? Which, by the way, I see it written everywhere even on my underpants! So I don't think we need to be a naval architect to understand a very simple, if not obvious, concept that regardless of the builder, whether it is Beneteau or any other, there is a legislative and regulatory VOID in this sector that concerns not only the construction and design, choice of the materials and their origin, the absolute lack of supervision by any recognised third independent body from the design, the construction, up to the delivery of this type of boats, the lack of training and professional courses for the staff employed by these yards, which would make the most stubborn navigator pale. The truth is that these shipyards do what they want and their constructions have one and only one denominator the profit!

  • @skniberg

    @skniberg

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@SailingwithThomas Haha thanks - also weightwise long hair is a good excuse when stepping on the scale, my ponytail must weigh at least 5kg rrrright?! 😆- and a warmblessing in snowy wintertime! (and nah, not a naval expert just waterlife, my (forgotten) education and general nerdiness...) cherio!

  • @skniberg

    @skniberg

    Жыл бұрын

    @@billhanna8838 true that, half-a-toothbrush classic in the ultralight sailing/trekking/running/biking/mountaineering societies… and don't get me starting on carbon stuff, oh the joys of material sports! 😀

  • @nixxonnor
    @nixxonnor Жыл бұрын

    I really enjoyed this episode. What was not explained is why you want to have 2 rudders instead of one rudder that will be better protected in line with, and straight behind the keel. The Kraken designer thinks twin rudders are hazardious when sailing the blue waters. And to handle hitting hard stuff he also thinks that the rudder should have a sturdy skeg as the leading edge. What do you think about rudders vs. hitting objects. One bonus with one rudder is the added steering capability while mooring (when using engine forwards)

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for your questions as well. In some previous videos and especially in episode 43 I explain my reasons for wanting twin rudder configuration. It’s pros and cons with everything however a wide body doesn’t perform very well with a single rudder due to the elevation of a wider body. Having twin on close reach you always have one rudder with excellent grip and angle into the water. Downwind in high seas it’s also a straight line that’s the payoff having twin. From my experience and opinions the benefits of twin versus single rudder is making it a very easy decision. Might not be my first choice sailing between ice, or even a fin keel if planning on frequent impacts with coral reefs. Since my intentions is none of the above twin seams like the best option. Nowadays it’s almost impossible to buy a new boat with single rudder unless it’s a small scale manufacturer or custom built like the one you mention. It’s evolution in design and constructions. I have seen some reviews and also the one where the designer talks about twin versus single rudders. His statement claiming the reason for twin rudders on production yachts is due to cheaper to build is false. In fact you need double up of everything including like on BE FREE the quadrants. Meaning I have 4 quadrants connected with metal beams. I do understand a salesman tries to down talk competitors but it rarely pays off. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @nixxonnor

    @nixxonnor

    Жыл бұрын

    @@SailingwithThomas Thank you for your reply that even included an explanation :)

  • @mattipollari8905
    @mattipollari8905 Жыл бұрын

    I enjoy your presentation! I purchased a deep draft semi- custom boat in 2019- because I wanted performance, and a bit more security in heavy weather. As a pilot, and aviation professional- overloading and center of gravity are a big issue. Your presentations challenge me to refine my knowledge base! Thank you!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for being here. Your kind comment and feedback is much appreciated. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @philipwright7186
    @philipwright7186 Жыл бұрын

    I've been considering seriously a boat for long distance cruising for about 18 months (I've known the industry for decades) and I can confidently say there's no such thing as the perfect boat. Even if you could design your own, you're compromised by your own limited knowledge and prejudices. Best to enjoy what you've got, enjoy the unique freedom that yachting enables. Think how boring an anchorage would be if all the boats were the same. Vive la difference!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Your so right in your opinion. The perfect boat does not exist and never will. What’s great for me could be totally wrong for you. And you can go with almost anything. My goal was to enlighten the reasons for why we will have so diverse opinions based on experience and needs exposing the compromises no matter what you choose. As a side note from a safety perspective hoping to shine some light on weight and loading capacity. It’s a cliche but yet quite true answer to the question what’s the best option to go circumnavigation with. The answer is the one you have given it’s well maintained and seaworthy. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @peterlundahl2969
    @peterlundahl2969 Жыл бұрын

    Hej Thomas Tack för ännu ett bra avsnitt

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Takk for at du er her og ser på. Glad du likte denne episoden også. Cheers 🍻

  • @brownnoise357
    @brownnoise357 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Thomas. Nice Video. What we have greatly enjoyed and benefitted from can greatly influence our Preferences and Keel selection. For Sailing around Britain, with lots of Beautiful Estuaries to explore and some Wonderful Beaches, A Bilge Keel Yacht Takes some Beating, and automatically come with Shallow Draft, as they can easily Dry Out. I only had a mild interest in Racing Sailboats, and after the 1079 Fastnet Teagedy, Permanently abandoned any prospects of Taking Part in Racing. You would think the Leeway suffered by a bilge keel Yacht would be a problem impossible to ignore when going out into deeper water, but to be honest I've never found it to be an issue. My last boat was a Shoal Draft Long Keel Endeavour 32, and frankly it was a go pretty much anywhere boat without a problem. My Next Boat will be a Shoal Draft too, this time with a Bolt on Keel, my first, though I've been on friends boats with them, and I don't worry about them falling off. My limit on Depth of Keel to assist me getting into the biggest range of places I'm likely to want to Travel to, is 5ft 8" or about 1.75 mtrs. A bit less would be even better, but wow that dramatically drops the selection of Boats available. Dehler have just launched what they call a Racer Cruiser 46ft boat, which illustrates the Problems Cruisers Face imho. The Shallow Draft is 7ft 1" and despite a below decks construction I would buy like a shot, the entire Boat is Far Too Much Racer, and Nowhere Near enough Cruiser. Land and Beaches are where People are, and despite loving it Offshore, I like People, and to meet them easily, means getting close to Land and Beaches, so sadly, No Dehler for me, or any other Boat with a Draft like that or Worse. So aWide Beam Monohull, with a heavier Keel Than Standard (usually costing a bit extra ) at 1.75mtr Draft, and the range of Boats available that are more Cruiser than Racer (though certainly easy to go Fast enough) starts improving nicely. I think I've found one, and it's also a Bavaria (though I'm wary of anything German now, after some extremely bad experiences with Products and appalling attitude to Customer Support in recent years So I may well if I prder, only accept the boat Subject to a post Commissioning a full Survey at my expense by a Marine Surveyor, and if it Fails, Full Refund of Monies Held prior to Payment, plus Surveyor Costs, to encourage them to get it right first time. If they find my Terms unacceptable, then there are other options. 👍

  • @bojangles8837
    @bojangles8837 Жыл бұрын

    I appreciate your comments on compromise and filling your own personnel boxes. My own thought; very few people are experienced enough to know what’s important in an offshore boat. Twin rudders are costly, complicated, add unnecessary drag, increase the loads on the system, and are much more vulnerable to damage from floating debris. I’m convinced that another of the reasons behind the current trend to really big assed boats is that many racing boats are designed that way, so it has become cool and fashionable. Giving the designer the ability to create unseaman like living room sized cockpits, which people enclose themselves in like a cocoon. But this is…well…just plain silly. Cruising boats and racing boats have completely different missions and therefore need to be optimized and designed in completely different ways. Not so with the cruiser, which must heel to gain stability from the keel. So when said wide stern family cruiser heels, the water plane shape changes and bad things happen, like difficult steering culminating in uncontrolled rounding and auto-tacking when a puff hits. Further, the additional buoyancy of a wide stern drives the fine, low buoyancy bow that these boats are designed with (to maintain an even half way sensible prismatic coefficient) down into the water as the boat heels, which makes them very wet. So the next time you see a huge aft or forward cabin with a centre line queen-sized bunk in, or a salesman crows that the boat he is pushing at you “has the largest interior of any boat on the market”, I know it is a good time to run away.

  • @StemtoSternSailing

    @StemtoSternSailing

    Жыл бұрын

    Well I have read your comments and I think it is good that knowledgeable people like your self write informative comments on videos. These is of great assistance to people like me who is rather new to sailing. And I'm also thankful to Thomas for shearing his experience and views on the matter in a non fanatic way. This maks KZread a perfect platform for me to learn from others, share my experiences and gain insight through comments and communications. Thanks for shearing your insights. Best regards from Jarle

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and taking your time to leave a long and interesting comment. Much appreciated. It’s definitely questionable lots of solutions and designs on modern mass production yachts. However I have sailed wide body boats since the 90s and the effects of weird behaviour was really truth back then on early models. Used to race with a X-119 and it was both wet and wild to say it a bit funny. She also really looked weird when healing over. When it comes to evolution and refined design I cannot speak for all brands. But have sailed quite few with similar setup as BE FREE. My experience is when single rudders would struggle, broach and be quite a task to handle this one feels super controlled and very little load on the rudders. In fact sailing close reach autopilot is not critical as the balance is amazing. Sailed 2000 nautical miles without autopilot. Luckily close reach against waves and weather all the way. Rudders moved out to the corners is obviously more exposed and I have been a bit stressed once having clumsy whales swimming to close. But in heavy seas and strong winds it just goes like a steam train on rails. I need more than 30 kts wind to have sea spray on deck due to combination of speed and waves. Only time any sea spray reach cockpit is breaking waves from behind or a hard slap at the side. It was so hard I went below to check for leaks in windows on the side. I’m very happy to not have big windows in the hull. Something lots of new models now use. Not to forget sliding dors in the front of some cats. So lots of cool solutions not always to the better safety wise. Totally agree with you on big island beds is not the best solution in heavy seas. But then again not many beds or boats are comfortable to sleep in at gale force conditions. So then at anchor it’s really nice but again a compromise. Then the old solutions from the 80s with storm bunks behind the saloon and opposite sofa was the winners. I always sleep in the cockpit on crossing only had crew a few times alluding me to sleep in the forward cabin. Not a good place to be for sure. Then the aft cabins are much better. Almost five years now with a relative spacious cockpit and my experience is it feels so much better and comfortable even in heavy weather. But then again my reference for more compact cockpit is from smaller boats. Obviously wider body on the aft makes increased elevation. But from my perspective the problem is actually not in the cockpit as it’s so many good places to hold and even sit. Trouble on some starts below deck when lots of hand rails and good grips are sacrificed in the alter of fancy design. Not to forget slippery modern floors and sharp corners/edges on tables and counter tops. So yeah for sure lots of good things are gone with new design and modern yachts. This was easier with my old long keel Swedish yacht back in the days for sure. Still I would never go back. But this is only my opinions base on the boxes I have been putting myself into. Luckily there is so many options and solutions that most sailors can find what works the best for them. All the best and and thank you for being here! Cheers 🍻

  • @mememe5231
    @mememe5231 Жыл бұрын

    Another great informative video. Thank you for your effort!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your kind words and for being here. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @markuskoarmani1364
    @markuskoarmani1364 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Thomas!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching! All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @larssolem2507
    @larssolem2507 Жыл бұрын

    Interesting from a fellow Norwegian. Have had approximately the same sailing CV as you describe and can only agree in your assumptions and descriptions. However, catamarans can do a lot better upwind than what you mentioned! I've Benn sailing cats from racing to production cats an there is a huge difference between the two and also between different production cats. I once raced a small FP Mahe 36 upwind in 15 knots overtaking racing monohulls. As you mentioned a few times the cats are superior in comfort but some people react to the motion when sailing upwind. Liked to see your channel, and your mono sails grat😃

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for being here! Your kind words and feedback is much appreciated! Especially coming from experienced sailors. Regarding the catamarans it was not the focus here so might been under communicated the fact you correctly pointed at. I have made videos about this topic before and also showed different performance in cats. Have sailed catamarans much faster than my mono that was even more comfortable. But this costs money... Lots of money! If you have time one day you could take a look at episode 43 explaining the reasons ending up with what I’m sailing today, and also about catamarans as I was looking for this at that time. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @markhumphreys5042
    @markhumphreys5042 Жыл бұрын

    Very interesting thank you it’s always great getting advice from people that have knowledge in theory and practice

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for being here. I try to share things as objective as possible but it will also be coloured by my experience and opinions. So it’s difficult but honest attempts. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @petercooke2115
    @petercooke2115 Жыл бұрын

    Always love your schematics Thomas,enjoyed very much

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your kind feedback. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @RulgertGhostalker
    @RulgertGhostalker Жыл бұрын

    sailing is technical ... great video, thank you for going over that.

  • @sarab7549
    @sarab7549 Жыл бұрын

    This video was super helpful for my upcoming boat delivery! Thank you, Thomas!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much Sara! I’m happy you enjoyed this one and wish you all the best with fair winds and following seas for your next adventure. Cheers 🍻

  • @Rottingboards
    @Rottingboards Жыл бұрын

    Great graphics in explaining such a complex topic.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your kind words and for being here. Much appreciated. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @StemtoSternSailing
    @StemtoSternSailing Жыл бұрын

    Choose your suffering equals living with the compromises built into your sailing yacht. Well done and well summoned. Best regards from Jarle. A fellow Bavaria sailor just older and smaller.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your comment Jarle. JJ design works well and sail better than most yachts from the same period. Beautiful yachts. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @rljpan1207
    @rljpan1207 Жыл бұрын

    I'll watch this one more than once! Thanks.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and happy to know you enjoyed this one. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @careylogan7639
    @careylogan7639 Жыл бұрын

    Thomas, I really enjoyed your perspective on keels and hulls. Thanks for taking the time to do this video. the graphics were great! Cheers my friend!!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for letting me know you enjoyed this episode. Much appreciated and thank you for being here. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @nixer8984
    @nixer8984 Жыл бұрын

    The keyboard sailor in the box was the BEST!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Happy you enjoyed this! Thank you so much for watching and even taking your time to comment as well. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @manuelgarrido3087
    @manuelgarrido3087 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Thomas! Thank you so much for this video full of knowledge and common sense. It's always a pleasure to watch your videos. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and opinions and see you next week! Cheers!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much my friend! I’m happy you enjoyed and thankful to have you here. Always positive and supportive. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @davidyendoll5903
    @davidyendoll5903 Жыл бұрын

    Again I benefited from your product Thomas . The comments are pretty good to . Love the idea of a beach fire and chat someone mentioned ! Do not worry about the depth you go into on your subject , so long as you can be confident of explaining the complication . I reckon you might have been a teacher in some other life , a Viking blade smith maybe ... only joking ! Cheers.

  • @TheExumRidge
    @TheExumRidge2 ай бұрын

    Keel aspect ratio is important for efficient lift. Bavaria had a tandem keel, this performed well at low draft.

  • @kimmacdonald1049
    @kimmacdonald1049 Жыл бұрын

    Food for thought, thanking you👍

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for being here. Also thank you for taking your time to leave a comment. Much appreciated. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @sailinglatis
    @sailinglatis Жыл бұрын

    I liked that. Great info for understanding more about the boats could come in handy for a discussion around a beach fire with friends.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your kind words. Discussion about yacht designs around a beach fire with friends sounds nice. Cheers 🍻

  • @mosca3289
    @mosca3289 Жыл бұрын

    Good explanations, thanks.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for being here. Cheers 🍻

  • @ThoughtfulWander
    @ThoughtfulWander Жыл бұрын

    great job and great detail!! stay safe, Thomas!! 👍👍👊👊⛵⛵

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your kind words and for watching. Much appreciated. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @ThoughtfulWander

    @ThoughtfulWander

    Жыл бұрын

    @@SailingwithThomas 👍👍

  • @JagLite
    @JagLite Жыл бұрын

    Excellent graphics and explanation!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much! Glad to hear you enjoyed this as it was lots of work behind this episode. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @danspicer79
    @danspicer7910 ай бұрын

    great show

  • @kirk9671
    @kirk9671 Жыл бұрын

    Very very good. Thanks

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much! Cheers 🍻

  • @NoBullshitJustGaming
    @NoBullshitJustGaming Жыл бұрын

    Very informative... cheers

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much my friend. Cheers 🍻

  • @jimduffy9773
    @jimduffy9773 Жыл бұрын

    Great info!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your kind comment. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @dylansmith3628
    @dylansmith3628 Жыл бұрын

    You should do a video on carrying capacity

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your input as well. Maybe this is a good idea. I do see quite a lot of overweight on long distance sailboats. It’s actually quite dangerous. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @BrotherHoodofTheDogxix
    @BrotherHoodofTheDogxix5 ай бұрын

    Great vid! Thanks

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    5 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for your kind comments. All the best

  • @debdoyle119
    @debdoyle119 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for being here. Cheers 🍻

  • @billhanna8838
    @billhanna8838 Жыл бұрын

    Good common seance view , My own opinion is the 'Overloading ' of cruising boats or any yacht is the most common cause for 'Bad' performance & Safety witch effects all aspects of sailing both in Monos or multy hull yachts SO bigger is better .Another enjoyable post .

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your kind words and for watching. It should be common sense but I have seen quite a lot last years that’s pretty questionable in terms of safety. All the best and and thank you for being here. Cheers 🍻

  • @MrJR86
    @MrJR86 Жыл бұрын

    Absolutt interessant episode! Cheers 🍻

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Tusen takk! Cheers 🍻

  • @jimgagne4484
    @jimgagne4484 Жыл бұрын

    thank you for the great info....

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your kind words. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @KiowaFreedom
    @KiowaFreedom Жыл бұрын

    Good video. In my opinion, the differences between a shallow or deep draft keel monohull is not very important for a cruising purpose . Only some performance differences . The big differences are between a boat which can dry out or being beachable (like a lifting keel, centerboard, or bilge keel) , and a keel boat with a deep draft. It is mainly for a choice of more practical options on coastal navigations (with a boat which can go on the ground by itself you can go almost anywhere, even very shallow waters, not so dependable on the tides , or using it sometimes to clean the hull with the low tide, without depending on ports and cranes. But often indeed these kind of boats are less performant upwind . Every choice has its pros and cons!

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    True words my friend! It’s just as many solutions as there is opinions and sailors. Nowadays it’s hard to find a new long keel boat as most boat builders left this design in good and bad. I try to focus at the volume segment as this is where most normal people belong and are in reach of their dreams. My goal was to shine some lights on the weight and load capacity, and also hopefully explain why we will have so many opinions and arguments in what’s better. It all depends on who you talk to and which box they come from. Meaning the exact same as you, the perfect boat does not exist. Thank you for being here and all the best! Cheers 🍻

  • @Tomm9y
    @Tomm9y Жыл бұрын

    Good points, perhaps insurance companies and certification agencies should require recalculation of ratings, both periodically and when changes are made.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    I’m working on a video where I address the certification of modern mass production yachts. Class A should mean capable of all oceans and to be understood as bluewater sailing. But not so sure if this is the case anymore. At least not straight out of the production line. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @bojangles8837
    @bojangles8837 Жыл бұрын

    Dear Thomas, This might be better suited to your aforementioned next video and my thought on production mass produced vessels so popular today. Boatbuilders want to build as many hulls as they can to the same design. Stands to reason, that’s how they make a profit. And the approach of most boatbuilders to achieving that goal is to have a boat designed that will appeal to the maximum number of people regardless of their experience or knowledge . And, if you think about it, this kind of makes sense, because the very people who are experienced enough to know what’s important in an offshore boat probably already have a boat and don’t need another one. So we end up with boats designed to please potential customers that by very definition are poorly equipped to recognize a boat that will work well in the very environment that the boat will operate in-not good. But most yacht designers have been tied to their drawing boards and computer monitors by the need to build a business and therefore have very little offshore experience. And that leads to bad offshore boats because the designer has simply not spent enough time in the environment that he/she is designing the boat to operate in.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your feedback and for watching as well. Yes I will discuss many of the aspects you mention here in some of the next episodes. It’s lots of good and some not so good solutions on modern mass production yachts. Also quality is interesting in some aspects. Thank you for being here. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @annhooper726
    @annhooper726 Жыл бұрын

    Great info Thomas. BTW where is Kylie.? Im missing her Kiwi way...don't forget your roady/or coldone/foamsea

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for being here. Kylie is in Panama so at the moment we’re in different countries. Yet not more than 180 miles away. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @christurbeville7230
    @christurbeville7230 Жыл бұрын

    Keep up the technical us keyboard sailors love it!:)

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your kind comment. Much appreciated. Cheers 🍻

  • @johnneal9400
    @johnneal9400 Жыл бұрын

    Good stuff, thanks

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for your feedback and for watching. Cheers 🍻

  • @patony_1288
    @patony_1288 Жыл бұрын

    I want to ask you about this boat called The Silent 60, This is an Electric boat that you don't have to bother with Sails and ropes all over and worry about what sail to use in different kind of wind and taking them down and putting them up, which I know nothing about sails, It have lots of solar panels and a back- up Generator, Do you think you can go around the world with the sun instead of winds ?

  • @chasingsunsets380
    @chasingsunsets380 Жыл бұрын

    Keel needs change according to the waters you sail. We are currently sailing the Columbia river. We have an adjustable swing keel. It works great but next year we plan to sail British Columbia and Alaska for a few years, we are looking for a full heavier keel. The boat will not perform as well as our current boat but will handle the Roaring Forties a lot better.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like you guys figured it all out👍🏻 It’s always compromises and as long as you know the limits or benefits to your advantage or even disadvantage it’s all good. Your decision sounds right in my ears. Thank you so much for watching and for being here. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @Yeaitstemp
    @Yeaitstemp Жыл бұрын

    I layed ahull in 40 ft waves in a bristol 27 the shoal draft would allow it to slide down the wave so like you say compromise with everything there is no perfect boat

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    11 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for sharing your experience. Happy you enjoyed this episode and thank you for being here 🙏🏻

  • @benoitk8882
    @benoitk8882 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Thomas, great video! What is the draft of Be Free?

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for your question as well. Be Free’s draft is below 10 feet 2,9 meters. I don’t have the numbers in how many with this draft. In total only 80 was built between 2009 and 2014. She was the flagship of Bavaria and had lots of different options and 3 different layouts. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @jan9
    @jan9 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Thomas! Another great episode :) I used to work with animated news graphics and illustration. Your animations and illustrations delivers, they simplify and are getting the message across to the wiever. What software are you using? Hilsen 33ft Shallow draft cruiser fra Bergen :)

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Tusen takk Jan, Jeg bruker bare standard gratis verktøy som følger med Mac. Tilsvarende powerpoint i office som heter Keynote i epleverden. Enkelt og greit for en amatør som meg. Cheers 🍻

  • @jan9

    @jan9

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@SailingwithThomas Det enkle er ofte det beste. Cheers og fair winds :)

  • @guenthermichaels5303
    @guenthermichaels5303 Жыл бұрын

    SSL seems seriously overloaded.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes he for sure have lots of things onboard but it’s also a big boat with good load capacity. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @bugglesnake
    @bugglesnake Жыл бұрын

    Nice video, buy a Southerly

  • @troublekaliman
    @troublekaliman Жыл бұрын

    can you describe more about your current hull/keel and boat design - since this is the one we see you sailing with - then we can see how your choice acts in 'real' time - kind of

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for great inputs and for sure can look into this. Thankful for getting good ideas to future videos or topics. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @troublekaliman

    @troublekaliman

    Жыл бұрын

    @@SailingwithThomas You're welcome Thomas!

  • @mtrezaie
    @mtrezaie Жыл бұрын

    What effect do you think wider monohulls have on sailing? Thanks for these informative videos.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Wider hull means faster sailing all directions. Elevation is obviously greater when healing over that’s why twin rudders is mandatory. First generation of wider body I raced was an X-119. It felt a bit weird and light fore ship with to wide stern made it fast but looking weird under sail. Evolution in hull design have taken things to the next level of fast and comfortable sailing. But again this is my opinion. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @martinb5398
    @martinb5398 Жыл бұрын

    You might enjoy more theoretics 😁: kzread.info

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for sharing. I will take a look at this. Your comment was unfortunately in the spam filter because of posting a link. YT is generally not so happy about this in comments. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @guenthermichaels5303
    @guenthermichaels5303 Жыл бұрын

    What about seakeeping on wide stern hull vs. a hull on SSL or SV Delos. Then there's Surfing? Also what about straight plumb bows vs. Clipper bow. It seems to me that KRAKEN yachts have created near perfect cruising yacht. What do you think?

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for watching and your questions as well. Generally my experience is yachts to narrow at the stern sails like a drunk teenager downhill on an old bike without breaks. Evolution in design and better tools for simulation makes better designs. Never sailed Kraken but don’t really appeal to me. Twin rudders are more expensive in production but way better for performance. So when even mass production yachts walks this way it’s a strong sign. Most high end brands like Halberg Rassy also comes with twin rudders today. If money was no topic I would choose a Halberg Rassy way before an Amel. However most likely would moved over to either a Gunboat or Neel 51. Last one is a very interesting yacht.

  • @guenthermichaels5303

    @guenthermichaels5303

    Жыл бұрын

    @@SailingwithThomas thanks for your response.

  • @MiQBohlin
    @MiQBohlin Жыл бұрын

    ❤🔬⛵

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much 🙏🏻 Cheers 🍻

  • @StarfleetCommand71
    @StarfleetCommand71 Жыл бұрын

    Så hvis jeg vil seile jorden rundt og er opptatt av komfort, bør jeg kjøpe en lang og bred båt med dyp kjøl? Jeg ser på båter mellom 40 og 45 fot. Maks 20 år gamle. Fordi det er der budsjettet er.

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Hei og takk for at du både ser på og er her! Du kan seile jorden rundt i bortimot hva som helst. Budsjett er viktig ellers kommer du ingen vei. Det som er lurt å tenke på er hvilke begrensninger vil du få innenfor ditt budsjett og handle utifra dette. Denne episoden er ment å sette fokus på at det ikke er noe fasit svar, men at det er kompromisser uansett løsning og type båt. Viktigst av alt er at du kommer deg ut å opplever verden i en seilbåt. Gleden med dette bestemmes ikke av prislapp, hvor mange skrog, eller hvor mye du kan laste opp båten med. 40-45 fot er den størrelsen majoriteten av jordomseilere er ute på tur med, og på den positive siden så er driftskostnadene ca halvparten av en 55. Lykke til med jakten på drømmebåten! Cheers 🍻

  • @attorneyeranbenezra-immigr3829
    @attorneyeranbenezra-immigr3829 Жыл бұрын

    Glad I found your Chanel thank you Thomas for your amazing videos. Very inspiring. I am buying soon boat to start do enjoy in the weekend and who knows one day travel the world. I have few questions to ask you in private. Do you have an email?

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and your kind words. Yes I have an email captain@sailingwiththomas.com I try very hard to reply to every single person reaching out. But sometimes it’s a challenge not only with WiFi but also the increased numbers of mails and comments. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @thord.a.svensson890
    @thord.a.svensson890 Жыл бұрын

    👌🏻🍺🍺👌

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much! Cheers 🍻

  • @lenwhatever4187
    @lenwhatever4187 Жыл бұрын

    Performance equals speed only close hauled? What percentage of your sailing time is spent close hauled? It would seem from your dinghy explanation, that no keel would be the best thing for down wind sailing such as sailing the trade winds. No keel does not mean a greater likelihood of capsizing as the use of very small keels in rescue craft (which have positive righting to almost 180degrees) shows. It could also be noted that both catamarans and wide bodied mono hulls tend to float upside down very well. Does this mean what you said was all rubbish? No. I would say a better definition of "performance" would be in order though. Basing cruising "performance" on racing performance, where speed on an upwind stretch that is only 10% of the whole course can win or loose the whole race seems... somewhat of a poor path to follow for a cruising boat. Are there times when upwind sailing is a safety feature? Lee shores would be the first mention out of most people's mouths but really in this case you are talking more coastal sailing and not ocean cruising... aside from that, keep your motor in good shape, keep your anchor ready, be careful where you sail, etc. The most common boat damage is probably grounding (there are those who have grounded, those who are going to and liars). All of the weight and balance issues can be designed into almost any boat, certainly the same hull shape with only a difference in keel. As such, a long keeled gaff rig might be a better "performance" boat for cruising (faster to cross oceans).

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for watching and for taking the time to leave a long feedback. All the best and cheers 🍻

  • @user-qn1qe8hc5m
    @user-qn1qe8hc5m10 ай бұрын

    engineers make lots of mistakes

  • @MiQBohlin
    @MiQBohlin Жыл бұрын

    This is all so very interesting and important. For me it was a bit to fast to let the all the facts 'sink' in, so there was MANY ⏸ in this one… I'm right now in the boot shopping phase so this brings a lot of good aspects into the process. 🙏

  • @SailingwithThomas

    @SailingwithThomas

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much my friend! Remember this is how I look at things and not a blueprint. All the best and cheers 🍻