"And yes i'm including the Torah scroll" almost made me fell

That southern banjo bit broke me 😂

@sjappiyah4071

Жыл бұрын

Had me dying loool

Sam Aronow, you might be interested to hear that my school (Mount Scopus Memorial College, the largest Jewish School in the country of Australia) uses your last video when teaching about Spinoza in their 'Religion and Society' class. ... By my recommendation haha. Anything to give your incredible channel the respect and love it deserves.

Well lads, don't come onto that Torah scroll... She's spoken for 😂

In the 1980s, a member of my synagogue in New York City confided to a few of us that her family were Jewish Shabbateans, who had ritual family orgies among other Shabbatean reversals of normative Judaism.

@robertmitchell8630

2 жыл бұрын

Create as much negative energy forcing the Messiah to return Sexual orgies, incestous etc Sebatahi zvi

Sam please you almost killed me playing the banjo behind that segment on the population rebound 💀💀💀

I'm a Sephardic jew from Istanbul I've had never heard of Zvi or Dönmehs. It was a big revelation to me. Also kudos to that emperors for dealing with the Zvi in an extremely effective way.

@robertmitchell8630

2 жыл бұрын

Create as much negative energy forcing the Messiah to return Sexual orgies, incestous etc Sebatahi zvi

@kenankara7122

Жыл бұрын

Are you living in a bubble? Really never heard of prominent Sabetaist like Şemsi Efendi, Ahmet Emin Yalman, Abdi Ipekçi, Ismail Cem, Cemil Ipekçi, Dinç Bilgin, the Sertels? Or Yakubi, Kapancı and Karakaş communities? Ilgaz Zorlu and his famous book "Yes, I Am From Thessaloniki?"

@anthonyn.7379

Жыл бұрын

I heard some still live in the Teşvikiye neighborhood in Istanbul

despite not being a jew, and knowing little of jewish history, this has been incredibly interesting to listen to

@koalasandwich567

Жыл бұрын

Same here

@lancecaldwell3874

Жыл бұрын

Likewise !!! Raised Roman Catholic, & studied Canadian aboriginal life; I find it fascinating how others interpret life. Never learnd this in Sunday school!!

@stoicstone521

2 ай бұрын

Same

Greetings from Izmir! I grew up near the synagogue he declared himself Messiah (Havra st). How ironic that nowadays that area is a fish market! Perhaps, it is the Universe's way of honoring is obsession with Pisces and fish 😃

@Frederick1483

2 жыл бұрын

tHe UnIvErSe

You left out the scandalous reasons why he became infamous: lifting of the moral code and institutionizing redemption through sin and its accompanying ritualized practices.

@jessecerasus9621

2 жыл бұрын

How bizarre!?

@jopalo31675

2 жыл бұрын

Very sanitized…

Another wonderful vid, Sam! BTW, Izmir, Turkey is present day Smyrna. My Sefardi ancestors arrived there from Spain following The Expulsion of 1492. I'm assuming they'd have heard of Zvi LOL!

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

I have been surprised, in my conversations while researching for this video, to find that he is not very well-remembered today. I can't decide whether this is primarily due to the desire to forget him or the ever-frustrating Tanakh-Palmach history curriculum.

@sammjust2233

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAronow i read they destroyed bet din records that mentioned his name. it was a very deliberate effort to forget what happened.

@alicantuncer4800

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAronow He is very well remembered by Turkish-Sephardic Jews but mostly kept secret from public due to security reasons which you can guess why.

@bosbanon3452

2 жыл бұрын

Algazi?🤔

@denizalgazi

2 жыл бұрын

@@bosbanon3452 Yes?

This was certainly one of the most fascinating episodes. The story of Shabtai Zvi gets crazier the more I learn about it. To be perfectly honest I kinda hoped we will hear more on this channel about the Jewish life in Poland-Lithuania before everything went downhill in 1648, for example about the forms of Jewish self-government: the kahals and the Council of Four Lands (and the separate Council of Lithuania since 1623), but maybe there will be an opportunity to mention this institutions latter, before or as they will be dissolved? Or maybe a mention of the Karaim (Karaites) community. BTW did you count the Karaites among the Jewish population of the Commonwealth? I was really surprised by that part about inbreeding (and the soundtrack was a very funny touch). Describing the Cossacks, specifically the Zaporozhian ones, as "Russian-speaking" at 4:27 might be very problematic to some, I think that Ruthenian or East Slavic would be safer terms (Ukrainian might be a bit anachronistic). Interestingly, I remember reading in Timothy Snyder's _The Reconstruction of Nations: Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, 1569-1999_ that during the Pereyaslav Council of 1654 Khmelnytsky's Cossacks and the representatives of the Russian Tsar discovered they need translators, despite both calling their language "Ruski/Rusky", because the forms that became modern Ukrainian and Russian were already becoming significantly different. I assume that the ending was a foreshadowing of Hasidism, but was the foreboding "for the most part" at 27:22 a foreshadowing of Frankism?

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

Patience.

@Ricca_Day

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent historical perspective and observation of the foreshadowing tendency of historical layers.

@ChillDudelD

2 жыл бұрын

Ukrainian is a bit closer to Polish, by sharing around 70% root words with it, than Russian, which shares only around 60% root words with Ukrainian.

@Artur_M.

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChillDudelD Yeah, I've heard that Ukrainian shares more vocabulary with Polish than Russian, which is weird because Ukrainian and Russian are classified as East Slavic, while Polish is West Slavic. Maybe that's partially because the modern standard Ukrainian is based on the western dialects, which have the most similarities to Polish? Plus, language is more than just the vocabulary.

@juniorjames7076

2 жыл бұрын

I taught English in Istanbul, Turkey for 5 years and my favorite area to visit was called Karakoy (lots of hiking/outdoor stores close together among interesting bookstores and pastry shops.) I always assumed the areas' name meant Black/Dark Village since Kara means Black or Dark, and Koy means village in Turkish. But I was later told my some people that Kara came from the name Karaite, and that Karakoy was once a commercial and residential enclave of Karaite Jews up until the late 19th century.

Great topic, even better jokes

Do you plan on covering Jacob Frank on this channel? He lived about a century after Zvi and claimed to be his reincarnation. He was also acquainted with Mayer Amschel, patriarch of the Rothschilds.

The adoption of the printing press by Jews at the time helped their ideas be spared much more easily. Consequently it also made watching your videos even more enjoyable and rewarding because of how everything seems to be so much more connected. Story lines are crossed with each other and affect one another in a way I have never seen. Really enjoyed the last few videos, your work is excellent!

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

Well, hold on to your hat, because the next video will be the finale of this run of episodes, and *everything* is going to converge on its two central figures.

I read about Sabbataism some years ago in a Paul Johnson's book but this video made me remember the essential parts plus learning some new things. Well done!

If we are counting the Torah scroll, then he technically had multiple wives at the same time

@almogz9486

2 жыл бұрын

Which is technically allowed in judaism Jacob had 2 wives king David had many wives and kind Solomon had 700 wives the only reason polygamy is not allowed in judaism is because monogamy is a tradition accepted by the vast majority of the Jewish community (except some yemenite communities)

@Hmm-xy9qs

Ай бұрын

@@almogz9486The fact that biblical figures such as Jacob, David, Salomon and many more practiced polygamy doesn’t mean that the Most High commanded it or was pleased with such practices…

@almogz9486

Ай бұрын

@@Hmm-xy9qs how come god never said anything about that in the bible when Nathan the prophet condemns David for taking bat sheba the reason he gives in his analogy is that of a rich man with lots of sheep taking a sheep from a poor man. The problem in the story isn't that the rich man has tons of sheep but that despite the fact that he does he took the only sheep of a poor man. God specifically condemns David for taking another wife by condemns him not for the action itself but the details of it. If the act of taking another wife in on of itself was wrong the prophet could have just said that instead

I didn't even know about this fellow (nor about your channel till today) , but your vid made it so rewarding to watch. This is one of the best history channels I've seen in the platform, the amount of detail and depth in the videos I've seen is astonishing, unlike anything I've seen about the time period. Keep it going man, this is too good.

This is absolutely my favourite channel with fewer than 10k subscribers. These topics are extremely interesting and your ways of explaining them are amazing. Hope you get 100k more!

I am from Turkey and I often go to İzmir (Smyerna), I would say that the story of Sabatay Sevi is well known among the people here. The curriculum even touches upon him shortly.

"Gaza shall be the 5th holy city... No thank you :D" omfg, that got me (so did the "Yes, I'm including the Torah scroll")

Am really starting to love this channel.

Love all your videos, thanks for the really great content!

Name "Dönme" means convert, which derives from the verb "dön-", meaning "to turn back", in an insulting way (like betrayal). Although Zvi and his followers converted to Islam, they were never welcomed by Turks. Even today, conspiracy theorists in Turkey depict them as people who are conspiring against the country lol. Although these theories aren't really taken seriously, they tell a lot about the impacts of these events on society. Also, a fun fact: Turkish government records the religious beliefs of citizens (originally to identify the Greek and Armenian minorities, since they have some minority rights given by Treaty of Lausanne). And only one person demanded that religion on his ID card changed to Judaism from Islam, saying that he's a dönme. Therefore, the official population of dönme minority in Turkey is 1.

@marina.chayka

6 ай бұрын

That's one of the most weird interesting information I've ever heard of. 1 person it's hilarious.

Loving your vids brother! Love from Bangladesh

i keep listening to all of your videos very informative thank you

Thanks for your work.

This is your best video yet! כל הכבוד!

I've watched some other videos about shabtai Zvi but Aronow is by far the most detailed and complete.

Honestly, Zvi's story had a surprisingly happy ending for me. Mental illness and geopolitical prominence are a combination that almost always spell disaster for everyone involved, especially in the medieval/early modern period. Being imprisoned instead of executed by Pasa, being allowed to live relatively comfortable exile in future-Montenegro, and died naturally instead of by sword. For a mentally unwell man whose proclamation as messiah was causing riots and religious separatism across the continent during a time as charged with religious violence as the era of the Thirty Years War, that's about as storybook an ending as there is. I'm glad his days ended in peace.

Mate, I love your videos. Subscribed! Thank you so much.

I think this is your best video so far.

I can't with the southern banjo lmao :'DD as soon as that started I knew where you were going next

6:54 your reaction was absolutely hilarious

Hey Sam! Just wanted to say thank you for all these wonderful videos! I descended from Russian and Ashkenazi Jews who came to America before WWI, and though we disconnected from the religion by the 1950s, rediscovering things I always thought was just strange family traditions are actually Jewish traditions or cultural behaviors, foods, etc has been so enlightening over the years. Your videos have been a wonderful dive into Jewish history I haven't been able to get access to yet, so again, thank you!!

If he'd been killed instead of imprisoned and converted, I feel like Sabbataism would be a major religion today.

@kenankara7122

Жыл бұрын

Maybe it is. Look at the moral decadence.

9:02 its hillel the younger not the elder also great video as always it literally gets better every time.

19:20 "Gaza would be the fifth holy city of Judaism -- no thank you!" It's hard to believe Gaza was once hospitable for Jews, even Ashkenazy Jews like Natan's family. That certainly died with the Hatuels.

@odokokan

2 жыл бұрын

Gaza used to be a big Jewish city ,actually it was the only city in israel during the Muslim occupation period that didnt needed donations from the diaspora .that died when napoleon invaded,many years before Tali Hatuele and her daughters RIP

With ashkanazi DNA I am of the understanding that a large amount, not a majority but still a lot, is European due to intermarriage. When did this intermarriage occur? because I can't imagine it being very popular with modern day orthodox Judaism.

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

It's about equal to the European quotient of Sephardic Jews, is mostly Italian, and dates back to around the 1st century. Can't imagine why...

@a.maskil9073

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAronow Love your stuff Sam so don't take my corrections as passive aggressiveness, but this is quite an outdated view.

@ninjadolphin01

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAronow as far as I've been able to find the European DNA is mostly matrilineal, so presumably from Jewish men marrying roman women in late antiquity

@eitanmichaeli6770

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAronow you can "thank" the roman legion for that

That "nice" in the subtitles after 1569 did not go unnoticed

That pause around 7:00 is woefully ironic and tragic given current events.

I was today years old when I learned about Romaniote Jews. Really, we contain multitudes! Also, Shabai Zvi's story is a wild ride. The axe episode should be borrowed in some fiction or other!

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/nqR_y5etnb28gs4.html

Dang it Zvi you were this close

@user-ln9yo9sh5d

2 жыл бұрын

do really want this guy as your king?

I love how buddy looks skeptical/disappointed for the whole video.

0:07 Interesting pronunciation of "vast!" Great video!

I'm binging this series and I must say that I have found it to be impressively informative. It's been quite an eye-opener to someone who's connection to Judaism has been largely a vague familial experience (My paternal grandmother was the last practicing Jew in the family until she married my grandfather some 60 years ago). Thank you for your work. "You must struggle to truly remember this past in all its nuance, error, and humanity. You must resist the common urge toward the comforting narrative of divine law, toward fairy tales that imply some irrepressible justice. The enslaved were not bricks in your road, and their lives were not chapters in your redemptive history." ~Ta-Nahesi Coates, Between the World and Me

The Alabama banjo music that starts playing when discussing our polish ancestors was hilarious. We're all like, 30th cousins I guess.

What a great video!! And def laughed enough times 🤣🤣

8:16 This came out of the left field... I don't think you ever mentioned the Romaniotes before, at least not by this name.

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

I explained them fairly thoroughly in "The Adventures of Benjamin of Tudela," but it was not a very popular video.

@navetal

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAronow Ooh, right... It's been a while since I watched that video, and it was so jam-packed it must have slipped my mind.

@danido9938

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAronow you could mention it again in the next corrections video as a reminder

6:57 - Yep, we're all thinking it.

@yaltschuler

2 жыл бұрын

"bruh"

2:49 Alabama and the Habsburg approve.

@lrt_unimog8316

2 жыл бұрын

And Norfolk, and Tas too….

When talking about Russian Orthodox counterbalancing “Catholic” Poles, it’s best to say “Roman Catholic” because the Russian Orthodox Church is also catholic-it’s just not Roman Catholic.

@Duiker36

2 жыл бұрын

There are actually even more catholic churches than the big two; it's just that most of them are so small they don't matter. This is, of course, the profoundest irony since the entire point of using "catholic" as an adjective is to say it's the umbrella for everything.

@geoffreydonaldson2984

2 жыл бұрын

@@Duiker36 admittedly, I still have to refer to my Christian denominational chart to keep them all straight. Most churches which call themselves “catholic” probably believe they ARE Catholic-at least the only legitimate one, the others being under the umbrella in a state of graceful ignorance, I guess.

@kenankara7122

Жыл бұрын

Oh, come on, don't split those hairs now.

@geoffreydonaldson2984

Жыл бұрын

@@kenankara7122 Come, now! It can’t really be hairsplitting when there are many other kinds of Catholic too. Okay, maybe a tiny bit- but not much. Coulda said more. Just sayin’, z’all.

The banjo music was a nice touch.🤣

This episode has been wild, lol

Why is it the funniest thing at 6:49 when his face pops up and he just says nothing? 😂

I wanna say it's your best video yet, but i like Agrippa and the Rambam so much that their videos are first for me, anyway, the video was really good and the most interesting video for me personally in the late period (except the Rambam video cause Rambam) I wanted to ask, our last 2 videos were kinda longer then the rest of the series, is it just for those 2, or it's gonna be like the episode of John Hyrcanus and that will be the new normal? same thing about the time between episodes, is it gonna be 3 weeks now or it just was a one time thing? last thing: Is the shadowed character Israel Ba'al Shem tov, cause if yes oh boy, Hasidism evreybody!

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

My schedule is to release a video twice a month, which is not necessarily the same as every two weeks. And these two videos were simply as long as they needed to be.

@user-ln9yo9sh5d

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAronow Oh ok then, good luck with the making of the next vidoes!

@user-ln9yo9sh5d

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAronow i understand why you deleted that comment, sorry if it was too much

The banjo im dying here 😂

Love the banjo 😂😂

"I'm going to depose the Ottoman Caliph. This is what I call a pro-gamer move"

Great video, though what’s with the guy in the green shirt

6:55 Never heard that before..........

21:50 Both newspapers refer to Shabtai Zvi as "the King of the Jews". Did Shabtai Zvi claim that "political" title, or is that just the Christian observers describing his messianic claim? (Or his actual claim getting lost in transmission?)

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

They were historically synonymous.

Sam uploaded a new video - like it and then watch it :)

Why does the Sabattean Frenzy sound like some midwestern Judgement Day frenzy? Anticipation for the Rapture, selling one's possessions before Doomsday (most likely to the ministers who suggest this course of action), etc.

@3:24 Does this not account for the Jewish populations in southern America and Caribbean islands? I know these weren't countries but I recall reading there being a population of around 200,000 or so around this time period.

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

No, because those people were no longer Jewish. There are also doubts about those numbers, since people of Jewish descent in Spain and Portugal were normally banned from settling the New World.

6:55 sounds very familiar after September 30, 2022

Someone needs to make a movie about that dude

This doesn't actually have anything to do with the video, but I just noticed how you pronounce certain words with long "ah" sounds when they would typically be pronounced with a short "a" in either a general American or New York accent, like "after" and "class". Is your original accent American?

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

This is like a mix of my native accent, but it is the way I've basically always spoken as an adult. They are both American accents. I'll have to explain this at some point, won't I?

@SomasAcademy

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAronow Perhaps so! I was just curious because you sound very American overall - sometimes more General American, sometimes more New York - but that one little feature stands out to me as unique. I once asked someone with a mostly English sounding accent about a few hints of Irish in some of their words, only to find out they were originally Dutch, so I didn't want to assume it was a regionalism - accents are an interesting thing!

Hey sam mentioned riots in morocco and bohemia being put down by the army. But i cant find any reference to that. Does anyone have any further information?

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

It was mentioned in my main source, Gershom Scholem's book, which is linked in the description. Unfortunately for most of my viewers, there's a lot in the book that relies on primary sources that have never been translated into English- a very common occurrence when covering this period.

watching while eating spicy food knowing full well my ashki stomach can’t take it: I love this banjo background music!

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently Sephardim have IBS too. And it is a nerve disorder, so it doesn't really matter what you eat. I grew up eating basically nothing but spicy food. Lactose intolerance, however; that's just a "vast majority of non-Europeans" thing.

I didn't know some Benveniste families changed there name to Epstien and Horwitz I thought only some of the Ha-Levi family Spain did. I have both names in my genealogy.

Have you watched אגדת חורבן? if so, what did you think of it?

Another thrilling instalment of diasporic history.

There of course remains a big split about the concept of a messiah within Orthodox Judaism. We all believe he will come as per Maimonides, but is he a mystic figure a la Shabtei Tzvi? Or a political figure? You could argue that Bibi had a better claim on the title than the Lubavitcher Rebbe, but even people who call him King Bibi aren’t saying that while thousands of Hasidim still think a man dead twenty years is messiah.

@lrt_unimog8316

2 жыл бұрын

Similarly, on Reddit I recall someone saying DBG fulfilled certain messianic conditions-perhaps even more than Bibi?

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

Confession: I misread "DBG" as "DBZ."

Interesting use of banjo music

Shabatai was born in 9 av. This 9av was a saturday thus he had this name. The gematry of the name Shabatai Tzvi is the same as Elshaday as a result Shabatai and Natan concluded that Shabatai is God, he is the Messiah. Natan of Gaza and Shabatai made an huge usage of Kaballah. Probably this is the reason why Kaballah has become so restrict

He was the Messiah we just weren’t ready

One correction on cossacks: Khmelnytskyy didn't represent the Zaporozhians. Contrary -- his new state, the Hetmanate, was hostile towards Zaporozhian Sich, even tho several years before Zaporozhians helped him in his war. Thus, there were two independent cossack states, which later had a wild history together and politics between and around them.

What’s the name of the music at end credits??

4:27 - where did you get the "russian-speaking" claim? I do not know of that

I didn't know Bohdan Khmelnytsky had something to do with New Netherlands gobbling up New Sweden. Interesting

תעשה סרטון על האם דרך המשי הייתה גם ברומא

"This is gonna get a little uncomfortable." Oh? *ohhhhhh*

13:20 where you getting this from??

Sam Aronow, I hope you will see this comment. There is a book called Evet Ben Selanikliyim written by Ilgaz Zorlu. It is about followers of Shabtai Zvi in Turkey. Ilgaz Zorlu is also his follower afaik. The book also includes essays written by other Turkish authors, journalists etc. I don't know if it translated into English though. You can find the Turkish version online as a pdf ebook form and perhaps use google translate. However, google translate is not so accurate when it comes to translating Turkish into English. So in case you need a more precise translation of certain parts, feel free to reach me. I will gladly translate them to you as best as I can in my free time. Hope you will see my message. Cheers!

@alicantuncer4800

Жыл бұрын

@@Hakikatenmi Konuyla alakasiz olacak ama aklima KZread'da su baslikli video geldi "Maxwell's Passover Seder with Turkish Brigade Officers in Korea".

Sam I’m commenting on this video because it’s your most recent and because you’re more likely to see it. In a different video of yours you said that Ashkenazi Jews derive from some 350 Jews left alive after the Black Death. I was wondering, given this fact, why there are more Ashkenazim in the world than Sephardim and Mizrachim if they never faced such an event?

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

1. The population boom described in this video continued into the 18th and 19th centuries. 2. At the same time Europe's Jewish population was rebounding, Africa's and Asia's Jewish populations (as too their gentile neighbors) were shrinking due to declining wealth (caused by the emergence of ocean-crossing ships and subsequent decline of overland trade) and desertification brought on by the Little Ice Age. That said, if Ashkenazim are still the majority of Jews today, they are only a slim one. Israel now has 40% of the world's Jewish population and it is overwhelmingly non-Ashkenazi (though the concept of edda has kinda broken down here).

@IrishMappermapsmore

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAronow Its hard to me to believe Ashkenazim still make the majority of world Jewry today. Much like how demographically Ashkenazim came to prominence later due to the dispersion of Jews from Iberia, I have a hard time the.... let's just say "Demographic Shifts" of the 1940's greatly shifted the balance between the two Eddas

represent yo

What a nice Vizier

Are you going to address the Frankists? If you haven't already (I haven't got that far yet)

sounds like the plot of The Producers

Btw, who called Agrippa messiah?, i never saw it anywhere

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

Josephus, _Antiquities of the Jews._

@user-ln9yo9sh5d

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAronow how i didn't thought about that?, well thank you!

Did he ever divorce or get divorced with the Torah scroll

Jewish Poland was the OG Alabama

How many ads do you usually place in a single video?

@SamAronow

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, It is not in my power to choose the number of ads. But I'll see what can be done about their placement.

Why the difference with Brody?

19:20 The irony! What would Haniyeh think?

What about King bulan?

You treat him like a bit of a joke, fair enough, but there were many followers and there were reasons they followed him. I read parts of a book about his life and "teachings", I don;t remember them though, but I noticed you did not go in to them at all.

Oh boy, here comes Rav Emden

2:50 all rise for the anthem of Alabama