Watch Serbia & Croatia Compared by Mr. Beat: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dmuesa1wh6rYZrw.html

@temistogen

3 жыл бұрын

Just one thing.The Petrović-Njegoš dynasty is also Serbian.

@iustinianoantalazar5021

3 жыл бұрын

Romanian monarchs family tree, please! I love the chart posted on 1 July 2020, but not is historycal, is alternative. Please, for my country and the dead King Michael!

@sammoore8952

3 жыл бұрын

You should do the Nehru-Ghandi family of India

@NihilSineRex1881

3 жыл бұрын

You forgot the reign of the last croatian king Tomislav II of house Sagoy-Aosta of the Independent State of Croatia (1941-1943).

@banijska_krajina

3 жыл бұрын

The first Serbian king was actually king Mihailo Voisavljević he became king in 1077

One of these days I imagine there being a giant mural somewhere like an art museum or something that connects ALL of your monarch charts.

@HistoryandHeadlines

3 жыл бұрын

@Heberth Ryan Yes, but it would be pretty cool to see! :)

@Chowder12345able

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's his secret project he's been working on

@littleghostlyrose

3 жыл бұрын

And then everyone can finally know how much of a bush and bowl of spaghetti the Habsburg and Ptolemy family trees actually are! lol

@lost_at_sea4531

3 жыл бұрын

That would be a great idea, but I don’t know if Asia or Europe ever intermarried.

@dusanradin5868

3 жыл бұрын

@Rusty Shackelford САМО НА ЗАПАДУ.

You skipped the Vlastimirović dynasty from Serbia which reigned from 7th century.

@Aboleo80

3 жыл бұрын

He said he only went from the time when it became a kingdom. Serbia wasn't a kingdom under vlastimirovic rule.

@look7236

3 жыл бұрын

@@Aboleo80 Serbia wasn't, but Duklja was kingdom. About 50 years after Croatia

@markocroatia7630

3 жыл бұрын

@@look7236 Duklja is Montenegro...

@nemanja3925

3 жыл бұрын

@@markocroatia7630 hahhahahhahhahahah Ujko gubis se

@kopro4935

3 жыл бұрын

@@markocroatia7630 oces li mi ti reci kroatu, meni iz Crne Gore ???

I spend most of Jack's videos now just waiting to hear him pronounce names and nail it. Being an Englishman, and Cumbrian at that, I would butcher these names!

@ms.3537

3 жыл бұрын

He was really good, until the Black George. I was so used to him being good at pronouncing names that I had to stop a video for a second. 😂

Peter I was a badass who fought with the French Foreign Legion, fought in the Franco Prussian war, escaped from the Prussians and in the Herzegovina uprising, and was involved in the Paris commune. He translated "On liberty" to Serbian.

@benny3637

3 жыл бұрын

Sta je Herzegovina uprising what is that

@996vlada

3 жыл бұрын

@@benny3637 Nevesinjska puska

@benny3637

3 жыл бұрын

Yevta ohhh thank you for translation

@loov6620

11 ай бұрын

@@996vladanije nego hercegovacki ustanak

I know the chart is only Kings, but a look at early medieval (ie. pre-Nemanjić) Serbian dynastic gymnastics would be interesting (and also require a chart to understand). A deeper look at Montenegro, Bosnia (with the evolution from a Banate to a Kingdom) and (even though it was covered quickly here) a bit of a deeper look at Croatia would also be interesting.

@gorankoilic6571

3 жыл бұрын

Matt forgot the kingdom of Duklja. Milo Đukanović disliked this video.

@dusanradin5868

3 жыл бұрын

What you wrote has no sence whatsoever...gymnast? What drugs do you use?

@angeloreyes1951

3 жыл бұрын

@@dusanradin5868 де научи енглески па онда коментариши, исправно је написао, а то што само ти не разумеш не значи да је он умоболан.

@bobmcbob9856

3 жыл бұрын

@SM ZYX Not in a particularly centralized form, nor as a Kingdom (well, a few rulers claimed the title of king, but they tended to be forcibly demoted back to princes by the Byzanines), but a Serbian Principality containing Raška, Travunija and (most likely) Duklja was established around the early 780s AD by Višeslav, some 416 years before the elevation to a kingdom under Stefan Nemanja.

@bobmcbob9856

3 жыл бұрын

​ @SM ZYX No. The Dacians are a much older group and lived primarily in and around modern Romania (so Romania, Northern Bulgaria, Moldova, and parts of Hungary), they were never, to my knowledge, present on the Adriatic and would not really have been present at the point when Travunja existed. Maybe you're thinking of a different state with a similar name?

Stefan as a name was more of a dynastic tradition or title than an every day personal name

@vherox3826

3 жыл бұрын

there werent any kings until 13th century but only dukes

@icxcnikasrb

2 жыл бұрын

Sr Stephen The Archdeacon is the protected of the Nemanjić dinasty. That is why every ruler from this dinasty was named Stefan.

@greywolf7577

2 ай бұрын

So who ruled over them? If they were independent dukes, then they were kings in all but name.@@vherox3826

Really Awesome that you covered this topic, it is actually a pretty interesting history! Greetings from a Croat :D

@TheScooby455

3 жыл бұрын

@Rusty Shackleford I hope you'll come visit and enjoy Croatia but don't forget there's plenty of nice places outside of the classic tourist "hotspots"

@user-eh1lo4vh1w

3 жыл бұрын

lol...what is interesting...from 1:10-2:30 narator speak about Croats without any FACTS...can anyone just put here one FACT about just one croat king....JUST ONE CROAT KING?!?! Croats dont have kings...if you had, what is the problem to put here JUST ONE FACT ABOUT ONLY ONE KING...do you have grave of just one king? do you have flags, laws, state seals of just one king or kingdom, state?!?! from 2:30 till the end of clip...narator speak about Serbs...and still he didnt speak about Serbian dinasty before Nemanjic dinasty...wtf... why didnt he speak about VINCA CULTURE and 5.000-7.000 years ago on this lands...and look VINCA LETTERS and look SERBIAN CIRYLIC LETTER..22 same symbols....

@grdicf04

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-eh1lo4vh1w first of all, you should know that cultures like Vinča (modern-day Serbia) and Vučedol (modern-day Croatia) were very advanced cultures for their time but they were original european cultures with no royal heritage and without any connection to today's Slavs therefore they are out of this video. Second of all, speaking of facts, the letter of pope John X to 1st Croatian king Tomislav clearly states "rex Croatorum = king of the Croats", then there are the Crown jewels sent to king Stjepan Držislav by the emperor from Constantinopole himself for Stjepan's help in the war against Bulgarians. Then there are numerous Venetian sources and religious documents calling our rulers Kings. Concerning graves though, no there aren't any found graves but then again, half of the Roman emperors don't have found graves. Though, there is the grave of king Mihajlo Krešimir's wife queen Helen (Jelena) in Zadar. Croatian history has always been clearly stated in all history books till after 1991 because of war-nationalism. You Serbs also had proud and long history so often bond together with ours. King Tomislav of Croatia let the Serbs in Bosnia and Serbian emperor Dušan let Croats in Dubrovnik. We all have long and interesting histories, all whole European and world countries. I love Serbians as people quite much, shame that everywhere in the world there are nationalist and ignorant people like you who annule basic facts just to feel more powerful in your little heads and to create conflict.

@user-eh1lo4vh1w

3 жыл бұрын

@@grdicf04...tell me if there is no heritage from VINCA culture...Serbian letter is АЗБУКА ( ЋИРИЛИЦА ) and from our 30 letters 22 is the same as the VINCA letter...how you call that?!?!? We Serbs have almost the same rituals like Vinca culture had and other stuff... But as l see...you like to speak without any FACTS... Is it hard too look Serbian letter and Vinca letter...you can find out yourself

@user-eh1lo4vh1w

3 жыл бұрын

@@grdicf04...also Nemanjic dinasty is not our firs dinasty and kings as Serbs...wtf those people speak about...how some idiots alow themselfs to speak about history of some people without any knowledge background?!?!? Serbs have few dinasties before Nemanjic dinasty and some other kings also...wtf... This chanel is idiotic for sure...they speak without any background history...

I'm sorry to point out to an error. Croatia was never orthodox. Ever since the days of Duke Branimir - which predates, obviously, king Tomislav Croats were loyal to pope. Quote: During the solemn divine service in St. Peter's church in Rome in 879, Pope John VIII gave his blessing to the duke and the whole Croatian people, about which he informed Branimir in his letters. The Pope brought the very decision on 21 May 879, and confirmed it in his letter from 7 June 879.This was the first time that the Croatian state was officially recognized.

@jimenezablain

3 жыл бұрын

Source of quote, please.

@denethorr3

2 жыл бұрын

@KriptoCroat Ironija je da smo rodjena braca koja bi se radije poklali u ime latina, grka i muhamedanaca umesto da zajedno budu gospodari svoje kuce.

@zagrepcanin82

2 жыл бұрын

@@milenasovic ajde uzmi maramicu jer ti cure sline i bale u redu?

@jovohodzic508

2 жыл бұрын

​@KriptoCroat Niti jedno niti drugo nije originalno naše, već nametnuto sa strane, iz Rima ili Carigrada. Ono što je bilo naše, možeš još negdje naći u toponimima planinskih masiva Balkana.

@oneday4227

2 жыл бұрын

In the 8th century, the pope did not have infallibility.

A mistake at Kresimir part. Croatia was already Catholic before him. He just made it offical.

@brtcone

3 ай бұрын

Kryill and Method left the chat...

Is it just me, or is Jack's voice deeper than usual?

@alistairt7544

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah...I had to check the poster of the vid to check if I was watching a different channel but it's Useful Charts. He sounded different on this vid lol

@CherryVanityRawr

3 жыл бұрын

@@alistairt7544 that's because this video is presented by Jack Rackam, not the owner of UsefulCharts....

@iwillchopyoudown3100

3 жыл бұрын

@@alistairt7544 UsefulCharts is Matt Baker, this is Jack Rackam

@JackRackam

3 жыл бұрын

My voice on this channel tends to be more relaxed, but it could also be me messing with compression and EQ 😄

@alistairt7544

3 жыл бұрын

@@CherryVanityRawr Oh my goodness that explains it. Thank you for clarifying 😅

Mihajlo Vojislavljevic was the first Serbian king. He was crowned by Pope Gregory VII in 1077. There is well known material evidence that his son was a king as well, having inherited his father's crown. Therefore, this was not a single generation historical fluke. It would have been an amazing side topic for this video to get into how Balkan nations and cultures keep reemerging as distinct cultural, social, political and most importantly territorial units that no empire has ever managed to extinguish. While the Balkans are far from a graveyard of empires the likes of Afghanistan, their defiance is interesting in their own right as their diplomatic tactics are those of "mercenary" states.

@SGT51

7 ай бұрын

Montenegrin*

@Saulgud23

Ай бұрын

​@@SGT51😂

I see Montenegro as Serbian state on a chart. Milo Đukanović disliked this video.

@milanpavlovic2456

3 жыл бұрын

@SM ZYX he is not talking about the Serb state, but about Serb dynasties

@squ4t343

3 жыл бұрын

@@makomaro im from montenegro and me and my family still considers us serbs! milo is trying to get all of the other people who call them selfes serbs to assimilate to being montenegrin in montenegro! we need to stop him

@Weeboslav

3 жыл бұрын

If you check wikipedia's page on modern Serbian states,you'll see today's Montenegro on that list,along side Serbia,Republic of Srpska and North Macedonia for some strange reason...

@milanpavlovic2456

3 жыл бұрын

@@Weeboslav the reason is not strange, Macedonia as a nation, macedonians as people and macedonian as a language was first time mentioned in 1943 during the second communist AVNOJ meeting. Before that ,everybody (except Bulgaria) knew that the territory of North Macedonia was Serb with Serb people being the majority (type first balkan war)

@juresibenik5281

3 жыл бұрын

@@Weeboslav Its not a strange reason. The reason is that anybody can edit wikipedia and write down whatever they want. Me, you, your grandmother, anybody.

Have you ever considered doing a video on the Spanish monarchy if they had followed the Carlist line? Similar to your Jacobite pretenders chart.

@isabuker5727

3 жыл бұрын

That would be so interesting. Great idea!

@frodo322

3 жыл бұрын

But didn’t the Carlist line die off in the early 20th century because there were no more male heirs so the title went to the king of Spain anyway?

@SvrWxArchive1807

3 жыл бұрын

@@frodo322 Once the male line died out it shifted to multiple branches but by that time Carlist's as a political force in Spain was waning after Franco's regime came to power.

I CLICKED SO FAST ,, LOVE THIS CHANNEL WORK

I always look forward to Friday as I love your videos!

You left out a lot about Croatia. Like how the wife of Stephen I was Hicela Orseolo the daughter of the venetian doge, which would explain why their son Peter Krešimir IV (Peter being the name he took when he was crowned) leaned more towards Rome, or how Svetoslav, also known as Suronja (meaning: cold/dark) was dethroned by his brothers Krešimir III and Gojslav and was expelled to Venice only for his grandson Zvonimir to retake the throne after the death of Krešimir IV who had no male heir. There was also queen Jelena, the wife of Michael Krešimir II who ruled shortly as a regent after her husbands death, since their son Držislav was too young. There's a lot more than that to Croatia but I guess you did say you were gonna take just a quick look. Other than that you did a good job on Serbia and I like the chart.

@user-qg5rm6fh8k

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure he did but there is about 5 century of Serbia before Nemanjici, but I get it that there are a lot more countries that he needs to do so he doesn't have time for us.

"He said the only way to bring change was to shoot him, and, well, that's what happened" 🤣🤣🤣

@srb.bln36

3 жыл бұрын

Crazy Balkan

@valentintapata2268

2 жыл бұрын

@@srb.bln36 France, Marseilles.

Very best content for a chart like this. Amazing work I have never seen in my life. Good and Excellent work :)

Several (about 11) European monarchies ended following the two world wars (as did Croatia and Yugoslavia). Others (France, Portugal and Greece) ended between 1870 and 1973. I think it would be interesting to see who would rule these kingdoms today. I often wonder if the monarchies that survive have been helped or hurt by the practice of marrying commoners, and would find it interesting to know what the pool of spousal candidates would be if other monarchies had survived.

First Serbian king was Mihailo Vojislavljević (1050-1081), also you could stretch this tree to Serbian Vlastimirovic dynasty (631-960)

@daz7122

2 жыл бұрын

The later part of the Vlastimirovic dynasty were good friends with King Tomislav.

@petarv.7476

2 жыл бұрын

@@daz7122 was not, they is orthodox

@daz7122

2 жыл бұрын

@@petarv.7476 King Tomislav is your king too if your an Orthodox from Croatia.

@andrijanastic1480

Жыл бұрын

@@daz7122 he never been our king how I know history

Could you do a Bulgarian monarchs family tree? That would be great to see it in such details, especially since a few Serbian princesses married into it.

@lincolnkiok2359

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I'd like to see this too, that's the only country left on this chart Matt hasn't covered yet I'm really hoping for him to do it.

Actually, there was one final heir to the House of Obrenović, an illegitimate child of King Milan I, George Obrenović who did claim the throne until his death in 1925, having previously fell into obscurity. However, according to a relatively obscure article published in 2003 by Novosti AD, George had a grandson by the name of Panta (Panka) Obrenović (apparently also known as Mark Eme) who served as chairman of “Fund Obrenović” until his death in 2002. Besides this potential claim, some descendants of the half-brother of Prince Miloš Obrenović I of Serbia, Jakov Obrenović also claim the throne, though little is known of this claim. Should Alexander I’s Government survived his reign, there was an agreement that if his marriage to Draga Mašin produce no children, the Serbian throne would pass to Prince Mirko of Montenegro, Grand Duke of Grahovo, whose son actually claimed the throne of Montenegro for a very long time, meaning we could have seen the Petrović-Njegoš dynasty on the Serbian Throne had both monarchies survived.

Hello! Very interesting and good job👍 When will you make a video of the Catalan Dynasty? Thank you!

Can you cover the Bulgarian monarchies family tree?

I like how he can pronounce the names correctly

May I ask how you created your own family tree because I’m really interested.

@phannysanny2460

3 жыл бұрын

He explained it in a video. I think its called How i make my family tree or smth like that

What would it be if UsefulCharts make a family tree of Netflix's Dark. 😆 Love your work as always💕

1:46 Croatia was literally never largely an orthodox nation by religion, not even at a single point in it's history. I even tried to look it up, so that I wouldn't make a fool out of myself, and I literally found absolutely nothing regarding the eastern orthodox religion in Croatia during the Great Schism. The predecessor of Petar Kresimir, Stephen I of Croatia, is also considered to be a Catholic monarch. I belive that your sources were wrong about that.

@shirastro

3 жыл бұрын

Mislim da je ovo otvoreno za interpretaciju. On priča o periodu pre podele hrišćanstva i verovatno je mislio da je hrvatska bila pod većim uticajem Vizantije.

@DanhawkKCC

3 жыл бұрын

​@LineOfCars I 'remamber' that the argument about long beards on medieval bishops and popes being completely irrelevant, since all popes and bishops had beards, some of them even long beards, in the medieval era. I also "remamber" that Croatia was the first nation to hold liturgy in its native language in Europe with an official acceptance of the pope himself, which is probably the most catholic thing a nation can possibly do.

@lorenzovonmatterhorn7402

3 жыл бұрын

They were till the churches divided... the west did not had huge power until they divided in late 11 century after that they influenced more and more.. so if u wanna find evidence find from 700 or 800 till 1100..

@DanhawkKCC

3 жыл бұрын

@@borissimeonov0 Not according to wikipedia

@DanhawkKCC

3 жыл бұрын

@@lorenzovonmatterhorn7402 I was also referring to that certain time span in the medieval ages, from 700 until the 1100, since those were the times christianity with western influence came to power in Croatia. Here are a couple of quotes from Wikipedia, which are backed by medieval sources: "They came in touch with the Christian natives and started to slowly accept Christianity. Byzantine and Frankish missionaries and Benedictines who were bringing Western cultural influences had a significant role in the christening of Croats." "Croats had their first contact with the Holy See in year 641 when the papal envoy Abbot Martin came to them in order to redeem Christian captives and the bones of the martyrs that Croats were keeping. There is little information about the "Baptism of the Croats", but it is known that it was peacefully and freely accepted, and that it took place between the 7th and the 9th century." "Byzantine emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitus wrote in his book De Administrando Imperio that the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius, during whose reign Croats came to the land between Drava river and the Adriatic Sea (present-day Croatia), "brought priests from Rome who he made into archbishop, bishop, priests and deacons, which then baptized Croats."" "By the 9th century, Croats have already been fully included in a large European Christian community. Croatian rulers Mislav (around 839), Trpimir I (852) and many others were building churches and monasteries. In 879, Croatian duke Branimir wrote a letter to Pope John VIII in which he promised him loyalty and obedience. Pope John VIII replied with a letter on 7 June 879, in which he wrote that he celebrated a Mass at the tomb of St Peter on which he invoked God's blessing on Branimir and his people." etc. You get my point...

Just a question is there or will there be a chart of the crusader states family trees? This would be really interesting. What i meant with that are the Kingdom of Jerusalem, The Latin Empire, The Kingdom of Cyprus, County of Edessa, Principality of Tripolis and so on.

Excellent video!

Spectacular Video as always, a quick suggestion, can you do the family tree of King Arthur Of Britain’s Royal Dynasty? Cuz it’s quite an interesting piece of Mythology/Legends that I think Isn’t talked about, for example, Arthur’s dynasty was supposedly founded by the great-grandson Of Aeneas Of Troy.

Karađorđević dynasty still exists....

@rightingtheirwrongs1422

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it does. What could you tell about them today?

Why are these so addictive 🤔 Please do the old Kings of Britain, starting pre-anglo saxon with Wales/Prydain, Scotland/Picts and even Ireland! So many interesting links to each other and they're all traceable to as far back as the fall of Rome. If a poster came out too, I know so many patriotic welshies that'd pre order them 😅

@greninjamastergabe6452

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe not. Many kings in pre-Anglo-Saxon Britain are legendary figures.

Really good !

I was so excited to see this video! ...this is a very complicated history haha.

1:00 Actually it was Red Croatia, I don't know when but I know that it was.

@ivankomadanvonrakovac8415

3 жыл бұрын

@@HomoUniverzalis yes

@milosmladenovic2661

Жыл бұрын

Red Croatia didnt exist, only source that mentions it is pop Dukljanin, his sources are debatable and they dont go along with other historical sources

1) The first Serbian Emperor was Constantine Bodin, crowned at Prizren 2) The last Serbian rulers from the Nemanjić dynasty were 2 Emperors named Simeon Siniša and John Uroš, not Uroš the Weak

@Mitke420

3 жыл бұрын

First Serbian emperor's were dinasty of svedvlad. Just because they were not Christians doesn't mean u can delete them from our history. There is few more dinastis before svedvlad but they didn't achieved status of empire or kingdom

@encheleas

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mitke420 They were not Emperors, the title "Tzar" comes from the Latin "Caesar" (Cezar or Ćesar), and it's a Christian thing, the Svevladovićs wore the "King" title

Yay! Y’all and Mr Beat👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

This is one of those ; I'm here for the comments videos ! Ty 😃!

Hi! I'm really glad that you made a vidio about our, Serbian, royal family, but you got a few things wrong. Stefan I Nemanjic was our first King but the Nemanjic dynasty didn't start with him. It started with his father Stefan Nemanja who was the Grand prince (srb. Велики жупан, Veliki župan). After King Stefan I Nemanjic the throne went to his son Radoslav, then Vladislav and the to their brother Uroš I, then the king was Dragutin and after him his brother Stefan Uroš II Milutin. After King Milutin his son Stefan Uroš III Decanski became King, then his son Stefan Uroš IV Dušan or Dušan the Mighty who became the first Emperor or Tsar (srb. Цар, Car). The last ruler from the Nemanjic dynasty was Car Stefan Uroš V or Uroš the weak. The family name Stefan was then taken by Tvrtko I Kotromanić who was crowned in monastery Mileševa and he became King of Serbs and Bosnia. He did thet because he didn't want the dynasty of Nemanjic to die with Uroš V who hadn't any heirs. Because of his ancestors marriage he had Nemanjic blood. We had ten rulers from Nemanjić dynasty. Serb lands didn't fall to the Ottomans afted Uroš V. During his reign Serbian land were separated between other nobleman. In 1371. in battle on Marica, Vukašin Mrnjačević fought the Ottomans. Then in 1389. Knez Lazar Hrebeljanovic fought them on Kosovo where he died. His son Stefan Lazarević became Despot and vassal to Sultan Bayesid I. Despot Stefan died in 1427. and after him many others ruled until 1459. when Serbia fell. Bosnia fell in 1463. Herzegovina in 1481. and Montenegro in 1496. The descendent of Black George or Karađorđe Petrović were called Karađorđević.

HALF of Croatian family tree is missing.. Bravo 👏🏻

I half expected these comments to be full of Serbian Nationalists, wasn't wrong

@jimenezablain

3 жыл бұрын

They are not nationalists but monarchists and conservatives. It's good to make distinction between these 2 notions.

@SerbwithGod

3 жыл бұрын

👑🇷🇸

@NoName-fe6ll

3 жыл бұрын

Haha kralju

@Saulgud23

Ай бұрын

I haven't see one, I mostly see people talking about dynasties and how Croatia wasn't Orthodox

will you do a video on the history of Europe from, I saw u had a chart on it

Hello, can you send me a link to this Chart? Thanks!

I'm hoping to actually look at you speed-making these charts. Am I the only one?

1:47 Croatia was a largely orthodox nation? Lol since when?

@Unknown-es8er

3 жыл бұрын

When "in the past" exactly? lol Croatia has been devoted to the Pope since their conversion from Slavic paganism,and later after the Great Schism when it remained a catholic country

@ChristianAuditore14

3 жыл бұрын

@@Unknown-es8er to the pope? What about God?

@Unknown-es8er

3 жыл бұрын

And to the God of course

@temistogen

3 жыл бұрын

@@Unknown-es8er well considering the amount of serbs you converted.

@user-dm4hb1nu2z

3 жыл бұрын

@@Unknown-es8er Before serbian and croatian kingdom there was a lot of rulers of tribes, serbs have a tribes like: neretvian, vardarian, moravian and other. Before kingdom of cro, they was orthodox, and its medieval era, one nation had more rulers and dynasties who rule certain lands, like at end of serbian empire: Altomanovic, Hrebeljanovic, Balsic, Mrnjacevic, Kotromanic, Orlovic, ,,Emperor Simeon", Dragas and a lot of more...

Just bought a European West and North/East chart cant wait to seem them in person

Pls do a Family Tree of the Netflix Series “Dark”

Croatians, WHERE NOT i repeat WHERE NOT a largely “orthodox” nation literally ever thats kinda the whole point and the main divide between croatia and serbia.

@lolic4712

3 жыл бұрын

They were tho.

@idkandidc3999

3 жыл бұрын

LoLić they literally weren’t tho.

@serbianeagle8523

3 жыл бұрын

Da li razumes da je katoličanstvo nastalo 1054 godine

@SiskoZG

3 жыл бұрын

@@serbianeagle8523 Bizantinac, ne izvrci povijest...Hrvati su sa Papom bili i prije i poslije raskola crkve...ortodoksni nisu bili APSOLUTNO NIKAD.

@davidcapan5920

3 жыл бұрын

@@serbianeagle8523 Pa i pravoslavlje je nastalo 1054. Crkvenim raskolom.Prije tog događaja je postojalo samo kršćanstvo.Tako da ne shvaćam što želiš reći i koja je poanta tvog komentara.

Who would be King of the United States in the year 2020 if the Prussian Scheme had been a success?

I felt the video was rushed at the beginning skipping over almost every ruler to focus more time on modern history. I like learning new things about lesser known monarchies from the past but not even saying the names of the monarchs on the chart I feel is laziness.

@joekerr9197

3 жыл бұрын

Not only it is rushed, it contains dubious (read false) information as well. All in all one of the worst videos made by Useful Charts so far.

Amazing what next

I like how there is a lot of information about Croatian kings

There was actually a third Serbian dynasty in the medival era. After the crusade of Varna Serbia became fully independent as a despotate, with despot Djuradj of the Brankovic dynasty. He ruled until his death in 1456 when his son Stefan became despot until 1459 when the despotate got conquered by the Ottomans. It's a short dynast but still should be mentioned.

@kolobara08

3 жыл бұрын

Independent?! History don't think so!! Wiki - Crusade of Varna, in the section ''background'', this is the first thing it says ''In 1428, while the Ottoman Empire was fighting a war with the Republic of Venice and the Kingdom of Hungary they achieved a temporary peace by establishing the Serbian Despotate as a buffer state''. That Despotate you talk about, didn't even have a name. Moravian Serbia is a name used in historiography for that Despotate meaning, at a time it existed, it wasn't called Serbia or Moravian Serbia. Serbian Despotate only existed to serve its purpose as Djuradj was a vasal to both Hungary and Ottomans. But yes, Djuradj was the last ruler of Serbian Monarchy.

@user-wj7ro8hy5j

3 жыл бұрын

@@kolobara08 Your statement is stupid if it wasnt Indenpendent then,why would Janos Hunyadi make deal with her like any other independent state?

What will your next video be about? Also, could you get back to me soon?

Useful charts next you should do who would be king of Scotland today is it had never joined with England

You made some errors. The big one Obrenovic and Karadjordevic families killed eachother to take the thrones on several occasions. It started when Obrenovic quelled a new serb rebellion in the beginning of 1800s and killed Karadjordjevic on behalf of the ottomans and the Austro-hungarians. The two families continued to fight over the crown over the next 100 years.

You made a misstake, Uroš did not fight Bella IV in the begining but closser to the end of his rain.

Mz great great great grandfather was apparently a wealthy farmer and merchant in the Ottoman empire later south Serbia and he had 7 sons and when they all got married one of the brides was bullied by the mother and the son and the bride took their part of the wealth and moved out to where i and my family live right now. He and his wife had manz sons and thez all kept living in the same region and all of my cousins live near me and we all are in contact. While the other 6 sons moved out when their father died. They moved to montenegro croatia and bosnia. We all have the same surname (Dragojević) and are in contact thanks to finding out roots. There are about 10 families in croatia with our surname and all of them are my cousins, we're all orthodox and call ourselves Serbs. I'm still shocked i found all of this out because this channel reminded me to search more about my family.

Hi, I visited Belgrade 2 years ago and I was wondering how princess Ljublica fitted into this?

@the_kekromancer9779

3 жыл бұрын

She was Milos Obrenovicćs wife

1:49 Croatia orthodox? Man, your credibility went down really badly with that statement.

I'm watching this cause my great-grandma is full blooded Croatian even though she was born in Pennsylvania her parents are both from Croatia, and I think their great-grandparents are from Yugoslavia

@skin4700

7 ай бұрын

Their great grandparents are from the austo-hungarian empire

Can you please confirm info regarding the line of Radinović - Pavlović of whom the last one Nikola Pavlović ruled the Banat of Bosnia and then later the Kingdom of Bosnia between 1450-1463 as Lord and then Ruler into the early 15th century. Yes the Ottomans arrived but for some time the Kingdom under The House of Pavlović was allowed to continue to live autonomously in what was a well functioning government they had built on barter systems etc

Correction: King Alexander I Karađorđević was in no way an absolute monarch. He abolished parlament because of ethnic unrest and because the parlament (which was too comprised of different ethnicities) started going "insane," and they sometimes started literally attacking each other physically. It was the only safe way to ensure unity and stability. But some people didnt like stability, so with the help of the IMRO, Ustaše and Germany, Alexander was assassinated by a Macedonian-Bulgarian revolutionary in 1934. After that Prince Paul, the regent for Peter II came and he made many stupid decisions (like giving the croats more autonomy and more land, so the ethnic tensions rose more).

Would you be kind enough and cite the source/s from which you concluded that the most of Croatia was mainly orthodox? Because I can assure you, that is completely false information.. :-)

@Toma23358

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that was a mistake.

@nekoristim7800

3 жыл бұрын

Nije rekao da je bilo više pravoslavaca. Rekao je da je struktura u Hrvatskoj bila pomešana do velike šizme ali da se katoličanstvo ustanovilo kao dominantna religija za vreme Krešimira Velikog.

@remove_marko

3 жыл бұрын

No it isn't the Byzantine empire always had plenty of influence on the Balkan nations and many of those nations wanted to imitate Byzantium. What he said was true

@oumuamua12

3 жыл бұрын

@@remove_marko There was never any conversion of Croatia to Catholicism ever, because it has been following Roman rite since the begging of Christianzation of the country, that is, surely since early 9th century. Few centuries later, like Croatia, Serbia was also Catholic but converted, that is main families/dynasties, Nemanjic/Vojislavljevic in the late 12th and begging of 13th century, who both were Catholic but converted to Orthodox because of influence that you are mentiong, which never happened in Croatia. Croatian-Byzantium relations were mostely in military and more rare in diplomatic sense but never in cultrological like it was in Serbia. There are also lot of further major and ridiculous mistakes in the video which is surprising to me because I am not used to see that many mistakes by this, until now, fairly historically accurate channel. So sad.. :-)

@asanovic7

2 жыл бұрын

@@oumuamua12 pointless to speak bcs Serbs already see this as only truth while they dont know their own history - Nemanjic was catholic. To Serbs it is just important that Serbs are somewhere somehow great - modern day nationalism. Word Serbs didnt exist in middle ages. And to Croats is important not to be connected to modern day fascists.

Where's the "Croatian part" ?

@kocostamatis3080

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers🥂

@daz7122

3 жыл бұрын

@Tesla-Effect Like Dobrica Cosic?

@rexgamer8201

2 жыл бұрын

@@daz7122 is a poet not a historian, you must be jovans deretić desciple

@daz7122

2 жыл бұрын

@@rexgamer8201 Jovan should've got into stand up comedy like his buddy Cosic same goes for most serbs.

THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!👏🙋‍♀️

@UsefulCharts can you do family tree of one of the oldest sultanate in the world which is Kedah Sultanate

So let me get this straight, you showed Croatia's dukes but forgot to show Serbian princes before Stefan in 1217? I'd put that in too even tho they are different dynasty they're still important

@edoman6933

Жыл бұрын

He barely mentioned the Trpimirović dynasty and didnt even get to the last Croatian King, Petar Svačić. While he talked the rest of the video about Serbia.

@Gafnner

Жыл бұрын

@@edoman6933 he did show your entire history idk wtf u on about

@jurecuk9653

Жыл бұрын

@@Gafnner i suggest you read a book or two, it wont hurt you. Even wikipedia is fine.

@Gafnner

Жыл бұрын

@@jurecuk9653 You had 2 dynasties that never went past the rank of Duke (I'm not counting the Tripimirovic dynasty since it's debatable if they were really Croatian or they just ruled the parts of Croatia as there is no evidence they were in fact Croatian all we know is that they're old slavic kings same as Vlastimirovic who were possibly even brother dynasties.) Meanwhile Serbia was an Empire and a major regional power in 14th century. So I suggest YOU to read a book or two before starting a debate about a topic that you have absolutely no clue about. Good luck to you and your family.

I would like to see Luxembourg royal family tree

@phannysanny2460

3 жыл бұрын

I think this will likely not be the case because this channel focuses mostly on royal families and luxembourg is not a kingdom but a duchy.

@CitrusyGuy

3 жыл бұрын

@@phannysanny2460 but it still has a royal family

@phannysanny2460

3 жыл бұрын

@@CitrusyGuy its not royal because its a duke. Its a monarchy but does not have a king. But who knows

Good to know. Anything on our Bulgarian kingdom?

Stefan Prvovjenčani (Firstcrowened) got the crown from the Pope in 1217. Although it is doubtful whether the kings of Raska (1217-1371) were Serbs and Orthodox at all.

There were rulers and kings before Nemanjic

@domovinivjeran8670

3 жыл бұрын

Serb myth

@Ogi88

3 жыл бұрын

@@domovinivjeran8670 не сер сер

@VuleProductions

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but here are included only parts when Serbia was a kingdom

@icxcnikasrb

2 жыл бұрын

@@VuleProductions And when exactly Croatia was a Kingdom?

@VuleProductions

2 жыл бұрын

@@icxcnikasrb When did i freaking mention Croatia?

Croats have been catholic from 6th century, from pagans they converted to catholism, like poles, Slovaks, etc, they've never been ortodox in any period of time, so author made big mistake here

@tomislavstrucic7523

3 жыл бұрын

Zvone daj mi broj od dilera

I just got this chart a few hours ago!

This chart was off the charts. For more lame humor, come on over to my channel. It was magnificent to collaborate with you again.

Contrary to your statement in the video, Croatia wasn't a largely Orthodox country. The Croats retained strong ties to the Latin West from the times they accepted Christianity. Petar Krešimir IV. isn't known for his religious reforms, but for bringing Bosnia and Slavonia back into the kingdom. Also, the map at the start is a mess. Slavonia and (partly) Syrmia were united with the Littoral Croatian Duchy and it was thereafter that Duke Tomislav was crowned. Bosnia was mostly split between Croatia and Serbia, but there were quite a few instances of Croatia entirely annexing it(up to the Drina river), for an example, during the reigns of Tomislav and Petar Krešimir IV. The small Slavic states on the Adriatic coast(Narentians, Zachlumia, Travunia and Dioclea) were distinct from both Croatia and Serbia at the time, most scholars agree that Emperor Constantine VII called them and Bosnia Serbian due to them being conquered for a certain time by the Serbs, there was no mention of their ethnicity. Some Croats claimed that they were Croatian because they were Catholic before some of them became permanently annexed into Serbia, but I would argue that they were special Slavic people that got their "current ethnicities" over the centuries through propaganda from both the Croats and Serbs. Those are just my two cents on the matter, otherwise, great chart and video as always.

@alexandaryu

3 жыл бұрын

Look at genetics. 40% of Croats, Serbs and today's Bosniaks have the haplogroup I2A-dinaric, which means that they have a common ancestor, the first carrier of that haplogroup. Historical circumstances have led to the emergence of different nations of the same origin.

@jimenezablain

3 жыл бұрын

Gregory of Nin the bishop in Dalmatian city of Zara was considered to be orthodox as he represented the party that fought for establishing the Church-Slavonic as liturgical language and glagolitic writing which opposed the official Latin position of papacy at the time.

@jenwys3191

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimenezablain That's false. It's true that Gregory opposed the Pope on the language of the liturgy, but he was never considered an Orthodox/Eastern Christian. It was because of his actions that the groundwork was laid for the privilege which Dalmatians and Istrians enjoyed for many centuries, namely to celebrate the Latin Rite Tridentine Mass in their own language instead of Latin.

@nisampametan9009

3 жыл бұрын

Doesent matter anyway, Croatias royal line is dead, so no worries. We have living monarch and he has male children. Healthy, tall, good looking boys. We save them, because after this corona mess, Serbia became Kingdom again.

@jenwys3191

3 жыл бұрын

@@nisampametan9009 The Habsburgs are still alive and well, too. The current head of the House of Habsburg named his Ferdinand Zvonimir and even had him baptised in Zagreb. I hope that Serbia beats its corrupt politicians and reinstates the monarchy, but it's important to recognise that there are multiple royal houses of Croatia, the Habsburgs aren't Croats, but they ruled it for almost 500 years and the current Habsburgs love it very much. I wish you and your country all the best.

1:46 I don't Know where did you got this information because Croatia was largely *catholic* country First Croatian ruler to convert to christianity was duke Višesllav, and since then Croatia was in good reation with Holy See and the Pope, and was practicing Western rite Christianity, so during great schism in 1054. Croatia indentified as catholic country ,not orthodox (To be even more precise every land west of river Drina was catholic including whole of Croatia and bosnia, western Montenegro, and northern Albania. After serbs took over montenegro and Southern herzegovina they converted to orthodoxy. And even though Bosnia was still de facto catholic country there was popular religion known as Bogomilism)

@jimenezablain

3 жыл бұрын

Gregory of Nin the bishop in Dalmatian city of Zara was considered to be orthodox as he represented the party that fought for establishing the Church-Slavonic as liturgical language and glagolitic writing which opposed the official Latin position of papacy at the time.

@joeychestnut2437

Жыл бұрын

@@jimenezablain 🚜

Is that application or something?

can you make a video about the kingdom of bosnia?? it collapsed in 1463.

I am stuck in the garden, my family haven't realised I'm here yet, my carrot disguise is too convincing

@azarishere6442

3 жыл бұрын

Cool

I was already half-scared of the angry Serbia vs. Croatia war in the comments, but the video is sticking to historical facts. Great job as always. :)

@HZV1492

Жыл бұрын

Only one thing was wrong and that is the fact that Croatia was never orthodox

I loved the video and I really think you should create multiple subsets of the channel (in same channel) I.E fantasy(Movies, Books, Games T.V), history, theory/theoretical, Mythology/religion or even education based videos I.E the Kamala Harris or king pope videos. For reference the YT channel "Jon Solo"

Thank you for so graciously including kosovo as part of Serbia here, we really appreciate it :) also wonderful chart

Yea, Croatia bloodline is much older, but Serbia bloodline was longer living.

You could have at least mentioned Serbian despotate and battle of Kosovo in 1389, besides Serbia fell only in 1459 not in 1371.

Greetings from Beograd

Can you do Romania next time?

Well the only difference between those is that Serbian Monarchs acctualy existed...

@daz7122

2 жыл бұрын

Did Zaharija of Serbia exist? if so there is your answer.

@daz7122

2 жыл бұрын

No answer on Knez Srba Zaharija Pribislavljević?

@kategoried7501

2 жыл бұрын

lol there is nos serbians back then only horvats and rascians

Stefan is tittle like king or tzar uros is main name

@olgierdvoneverec7715

3 жыл бұрын

Stefan means wreath , which may be implying to the crown.

Who would be the English monarch if England had absolute primogeniture from the very start?

Epic

There was the kindgom of Duklja or Zeta in 11 - 12 centuries.

@fishybottoms2280

3 жыл бұрын

Those were Montenegrin

@ban1176

3 жыл бұрын

@@fishybottoms2280 Just use brain. It is Serbian. Why ? Bc there is not etnic Montenegrian, they are Serbs. That's why it was Serbian

@formica4266

3 жыл бұрын

@@ban1176 Montenegrins don't really have anything to do with Serbs, do they? They have completely different histories, completely different traditions and belong to different cultures.

@ban1176

3 жыл бұрын

@@formica4266 They are completely same people, have same origin and history. In Montenegro always lived Serbs and Serbs created Montenegro. That is fact that is writed, that is well known and that is writed in our blood(DNA). It was different country yeah. But because it had other ruler's not always same doesn't tell you anything, it was just other family who managed to control that land. Montenegro was never separated by ethnicity.

@formica4266

3 жыл бұрын

@@ban1176 That, of course, is not true. All people are the same and do not have the same origin or the same history. Finally, origin does not determine ethnic groups. ethnic groups are determined by history, traditions and culture. What are the common points in the history of Serbs and Montenegrins? I don't know them. As you can imagine, the facts are something else. Even DNA (not blood, not blood transmitting hereditary traits) is not the same. Of course it was another country and of course it was another age, why do you transfer modern national projects to the distant past? Medieval countries are neither ethnic nor political creations. medieval lands are the property of feudal lords and this has nothing to do with the ethnic composition of the population. Montenegrins have never considered themselves part of the Serbian ethnic space, Valtazar Bogisic's poll should be consulted. In fact, they despised him deeply.

You forgot to mention that Peter II Karađorđević was also the last Croatian king :^)

@Edmonton-of2ec

3 жыл бұрын

Technically, the last King of Croatia was King Tomislav II, (Prince Aimone, Duke of Aosta) who become King in 1941 of the Independent State of Croatia at the insistence of King Victor Emmanuel III. Though his legitimacy is entirely questionable

@dominikbradvica9406

3 жыл бұрын

The last Croatian King was Stjepan II., after him Dynasty of Trpimirović ended and Croatia entered union with Hungarians

@kristijanjurkovic7771

3 жыл бұрын

The last Croatian king was Petar Snačić (Svačić)

@joekerr9197

3 жыл бұрын

The last Croatian king was Charles I of Habsburg-Lorraine. Peter II was King of Yugoslavia.

@joskojercic4283

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-ik3xt1bx2n ... and you are only moron :D

Can you do a video about the dacian monarchs?

Can I ask how Milan II precedes Milan I? That confused me slightly.

@indjijatsararmy

3 жыл бұрын

Milan II was son of Prince Miloš and he wasn't a ruler for very long so he didn't really count. When Milan I was coronated he took the name Milan Obrenovic I King of Serbia.

@user-wj7ro8hy5j

3 жыл бұрын

To simplife Milan II is refering to prince of Serbia(That he is second prince of Serbia not second Milan on throne) and Milan I to King of Serbia.King Milan I was before coronation Prince Milan IV

Is there any evidence today about the early Croatian kingdoms like coins manuscripts laws etc.?

@saff3356

3 жыл бұрын

in bašćanska ploča is mentioned Croatian King Zvonimir, probably there is much more, I'm not historian... the significance of bašćanska ploča is that is the first time written Croatia in Croatian language, Hrvatska. counter question, what is the oldest document/artifact where is mentioned Serbia as Srbija?

@dekitesla9915

3 жыл бұрын

@@saff3356 ok but still no sign of a coin from that kingdom kind of strange or a manuscript or laws from that king. No burial or dates when they died. In Serbia we have many evidence. First being the golden coin from Strojimir Vlastimirović from 855 which can be found today in the museum in belgrade. I can keep on going with example of dozen churches built by Serbian King from 11,12,13 centuries and frescos of the kings and queens inside them. Example the dušans code from 1359. Emperor dušan is buried in Monastery of the Holy Archangels in prizren kosovo. Lazar hrebljanovic is buried in Ravanica monastery in cuprija. I can go all day. So tell me where are these Croatian kings buried what churces did they build is there any frescos of what they looked like?

@saff3356

3 жыл бұрын

@@dekitesla9915 you ignore the fact that we have fought for hundreds of years with ottomans. for them, catholicism was enemy religion. they burned and destroyed catholic churches and monasteries, usual places where kings were buried. catholicism wasn't protected as serbian orthodoxy which was one of allowed religion under ottomans rule. i don't know why there weren't coins from croatian kingdoms, maybe they used other means of paying or other currency like byzantium coins. you didn't answer the question when was serbia first time mentioned.

@dekitesla9915

3 жыл бұрын

@@saff3356 To answer you first question the earliest mention of the Serbians in the Balkans is from Einhard's Royal Frankish Annals which is written in 822, when prince Ljudevit went from his seat at sisak to the Serbs, believed to have been somewhere in western Bosnia with Einhard mentioning "the Serbians, a people that is said to hold a large part of Dalmatia. Our churches got destroyed and burnt during the ottoman periods also and we had it far worse then you did. Croatia was in a "union" with kingdom of Hungary so most fighting was done by them with some small help from ye. The thing im trying to say for me there is no real evidence of any of your kings. Dates burials laws coins battles etc. Therefore I refuse to believe they existed and you Croatians are fabricating your history as you see fit to your stories.

@saff3356

3 жыл бұрын

@@dekitesla9915 yes i know there are idiots from serbia whose only purpose in life is to negate croatian history.

great video, just one remark, Croatia was never orthodocs christian but catholic, Serbia was orthodocs, cheers :)

Can u make a video about who would be king of Lithuania today