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It’s a very nice gun for the money, I love the finish on mine. Yes, you can put beretta grips on it with a dremil, a little patience and a few beers.

@RabbiTosmiser

2 ай бұрын

Is it reliable

@nickallen8333

2 ай бұрын

@@RabbiTosmiser in my experience, yes. Pretty snappy though.

Great video. I love mine. Guns like this make me like polymer striker fired guns much less. I hope you are doing well and stay 2A strong sir.

You bring us such exotic gear. I love it.

I own the Beretta models 85, 84, & 81. However this Fatih is the one I shoot regularly. Well built and handles the same as the Berettas. For the price I am very pleased.

@eddiewest8477

2 ай бұрын

Thank u for being Honest ❤✌🇺🇲 2A💪

@RabbiTosmiser

2 ай бұрын

Is it reliable

@789295

2 ай бұрын

@@RabbiTosmiser So far not a single problem with the Fatih. Gets a little slicker after a couple hundred rounds. BTW... I just received the Girsan MC14BDA. The BDA is very close to the Fatih in size and handling etc. I think truth be known they are both made at the same place in Turkey. More similarities than differences.

@RabbiTosmiser

2 ай бұрын

@@789295 does it reliably feed hollowpoint ammo and would you trust your self protection to it

Other one excellent Turkish pistol greetings from Türkiye 🇹🇷

I've looked at the 84 but haven't found them in stock, great video and good info, thanks!

GB, thanks for reviewing this one, I'm kinda liking it ...

Ok now I got to find one of these there goes the rest of my stimulus money.

I love this pistol! After shooting, it became one of my EDC's. At half the price of a Beretta 84 (If you can find one!), it's well worth the money! I think SDS is the third importer of the pistol.

@michaelsweaney3890

Жыл бұрын

I got a Beretta 84 about 5 months ago in like new condition for $399. What did the Tisas cost?

@wymanbanks5050

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelsweaney3890 I paid $325 for mine 3 years ago. Now they run about $450. A new Beretta runs $750 to $850. You got a good buy!

Thanks for posting this review. I wasn't aware of this gun and I think I might like it better than the Beretta!

I have an 85 b. It is one of my very favorite pistols. It is a work of art.

@muffin1719

5 ай бұрын

Compared to a rock Island 1911 is it better??

Gorgeous tools

I used to own a Titan .380 ( like 30 yrs ago) and it looked just like that except the grip had wood inserts. I loved that gun, wish I had kept it.

@nathanlester9985

9 ай бұрын

Classic

I've got one of these (in stainless) and a Beretta 84F. I'm not sure which I like better, but there might be a slight favor towards the Beretta, but only because it's a blue/wood gun and has a decocker. As for shooting, they're pretty much about even. The Tisas is my EDC gun though. I know a lot of people po-po this size gun....too big for a 380...you can get a 9mm that size... (Psssfffftttt) Who cares? I like the gun, I shoot it fairly well, and as you said, the 380 smoking out of that 4" ish barrel is nothing to sneeze at. Oh...just remembered. Mags for the Beretta work just fine in the Tisas.

Remember the Taurus PT58? They were pretty nice. Not sure why Taurus stopped making them. With the 84 being hard to find you'd think Taurus could be making some big bucks.

@LuizAlbertoPatriota

4 жыл бұрын

PT58 is 4". They are making already here in Brazil.

@christopherogle5038

2 жыл бұрын

i traded mine for a bed when i was about 20 🤦🏻‍♂️

@gerardomartinez8000

Жыл бұрын

​@@LuizAlbertoPatriota not pt58hc he means the pt 58 s 380 practically a clone of the chetah too

I have a Berrett 85 that I wish was an 84. I’m going to have to keep an eye for one of these.

Nothing better than the original 84fs cheetah 10k rounds and never had a problem

Looks like a fun little gun!

@MrJdog1987

2 жыл бұрын

Hey get back to work there Guns to sell lol

That extra clearance of the slide around the front of the barrel is typical of this design including Beretta 92’s. Was pointed out to me long time ago and since the 92 is known for accuracy and function its not a problem.

@nathanlester9985

9 ай бұрын

That's what I was wondering.. so the 92's have the same amount of give? The barrel flex is a bit of a concern.

I was supposed to get a beretta cheetah for super cheap but it got sold out from under me, now debating between the fatih and bersa thunder, is the fatih a worthy replacement for the cheetah?

I finally got one of these pistols from Tisas, The Fatih in 380, after having shooting it today i can say for sure it does have some recoil when i shot it but its manageable, i had no hangups with it and i was satisfied with the results, a few more times at the range with it and i think i will have it where i can manage the recoil, thank you for this video

@GBGuns

2 жыл бұрын

We have a range video too if you're curious about different ammunition results.

@TheMrGman3

2 жыл бұрын

@@GBGuns I will check that video out, thank you for the heads up

Good lookin little pistol!

I love this black color

Hey brother when do you plan on giving us your shooting impression of the Walther CCP M2 380. Thanks for the good work you do and information you share!

That was a lovely, in-depth and hugely helpful video. Thank you for taking the time to make this. Gonna get a subscribe from me. :)

@stephanieroberts1394

3 жыл бұрын

After careful study and watching Graham's video on this model I purchased one. You won't be disappointed.

Speaking of mag check, I have a ETS magazines for P320, which fly out fine when gun is in battery. However, they get stuck in when the slide is locked to the back, which is exactly when I want them to get out. I think it's better to check for the magazine removal when the slide is locked back.

Really interested in this pistol for the wife, what was the price point, looking forward to the range time, thx for this vid.

I loves me some .380! Always on the lookout for a nice, hicap model as I already have a nice shooting (honestly, Graham, I think you be surprised) tiny .380 in my Kahr CW380. The SCCY CPX3 is already on my list following the disappointment of the unnecessarily complex firing mechanism of the S&W .380EZ. Can’t wait for the shooting review!

@claudiodiaz9752

3 жыл бұрын

I have a Taurus PT58 HC. Looks very similar, but it has a decocker and comes with 3x 19 round mags. I had no idea there were so many 380 beretta 84 styled guns like this. I'm enjoying these videos.

@CaveWyatt

3 жыл бұрын

Claudio Diaz That sounds interesting.

@CaveWyatt

2 жыл бұрын

@Jesse L Absolutely NOT going to happen. Why? Because it says Ruger on it.

Is there a chance you can do a comparison with the Bersa Thunder 380 and the beretta 84?

I recently got a Fatih 13. Any idea of the difference between it and this model?

If it's as smooth shooting as my Beretta 84 then I might have to pick one up and retire the Beretta as a carry gun.

I want one bad ! A roommate I had ,had a Beretta .380 Cheetah and it was beautiful pistol ! I have Sig pistols and a ATI 1911 GI Commander . If my gun store gets one it’s mine !!!

how does this compare to the Grand Power 380 ?

Very cool!!

Awesome gun-!- I Love these Bigger 380's-!- Really wish Glock would bring there bigger 380's to the US market, I'd bet they would do very well-!-

Does this mean we will get a CCP 380 range report?

The barrel flex is a bit of a concern.. is this "normal" or a future failure spot at 1000 rounds? I'm interested in this considering the price..

Class is in session. . . Beretta made several variants of the model 84. . . Tisa's clone is a copy of the First Gen's "84/84B/84BB" with the classic look Rounded trigger guard. . . .The Second Gen's-(Late 1980s) 84F/84FS had the squared front Trigger guard. . . Hope this helps.

In Beretta speak the 'B' in the Cheetah line meant firing pin safety. Wonder if Tisas followed the convention with the B in the B380 nomenclature?

The Turks are just masterfully produce value arms with quality punching above their pricepoint. I saw a Girsan 92 clone... I was amazed. I've had Caniks, the Tanfoglio and CZ75 clones... and they were great.... but I expected like some Braztech Taurus 92 ... and what I saw and held was basically a matte Beretta, if not in some ways even better. They just keep on impressing. 😆 Lol, love the vertical grip cuts, not the horizontal ones.

@WitchyWagonReal

4 жыл бұрын

* This is because, I feel that with my medium hand size, the pistol tends to rotate (like a turret) on a rudder axis during sweat slipping or recoil-- not much, but enough to cause slight degrees of skew with misaligned sights at a longer distance-- yet very rarely does one's grip slide up and down on a firearm, even with substantial recoil and muzzle lift. I felt it but was not sure, and so one day spent a day examining just this phenomenon... alas, it's a subjective sample size of One. 😆

I had a Beretta cheetah 13 rnd .380. Its the same gun basically

I have this gun. It could tell high in my favorites category except for one feature, or lack there of. No de-cocker. Evening else about this gun is great. With slight modification, I added walnut Barrett grips. Omitting the decocker was a huge blunder

@richardtheisen6456

Жыл бұрын

I'm hearing now that there is a decocker model. Wish I'd known that. I also added berretta grips, with some modifying. Love this gun but hate the double action trigger pull. Reminds me of the s&w bodyguard trigger.

What is the technical finish on this also what model of the '84 is this there are several '84 models

Love my 84 . 13+1 :-)

Im looking for one of these hi cap 380s for carry...low recoil...in south Florida

Nice. Thank you. Looking for a small, stable, reliable personal protection option for a young lady. Not pocket or micro. 4” barrel, 12+ rounds, da/sa…I prefer decocker but some safety required! This checks a lot of boxes. Thanks for the review.

Saw one of these at my local shop today in the silver/grey finish. Other than it being .380 the main issue I had with it was the ungodly recoil spring heft. It made racking the slide without front serrations a chore at best and for ANYONE with weaker hands virtually impossible.

@victorboucher675

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, that is a stiff spring ...gotta Beretta 950(22), Beretta 81(32), Colt 1908 Type4 (380), and a Ruger P95. Blow backs are stiff, the P95 is so much easier, I would say the tipping barrel for blow backs, or the delay dropping barrel would be the way to go. Or - Like Duh, snubbie 38 always works.

@mariekelly7325

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the warning!👍

@ployshihashick8240

Жыл бұрын

The recoil spring is INSANE.

@RabbiTosmiser

2 ай бұрын

That's a good thing that means recoil spring will probably out live you all

I have one. Its a dual finish version. Hated it when i bought it. Wayne Meyer of NY finished then gun. Completely reliable now. It just wasn't finished from the factory. Mine feeds everything it is fed.

I like that!

$349.99 at Classic right now. I might have to get one. ; )

@musclesmouse

4 жыл бұрын

already up to $369.95

With Underwood 90gr +P extreme defender .380acp becomes a formidable EDC piece 😏 Качественная копия Беретты 84. Турки совсем не плохо делают стрелковое оружие. Цена адекватная. Спасибо за обзор Грэм 👍

@whiterabbit201

4 жыл бұрын

YEP! I use that and the ARX poly copper ammo, just as deadly as 9mm.

Yours seems to have a slightly nicer trigger than mine. I use MecGar 13 round magazines as the pistol came with one 12 round magazine of an unknown origin. My right side safety cannot be engaged but the left side thumb safety works just fine. Sights are on the small side but it’s been a reliable pistol I can shoot accurately. Best part is I got mine for free from a relative who no longer wanted it.

Just curious - anyone know if these take Beretta 84 accessories like grips, magazines, and sights?

I wish SDS would make a decock only kit for the Zigana. My safety keeps getting bumped on. I think I will put a heaver spring under the detent.

@nickallen8333

3 жыл бұрын

Yea I noticed that when I handled one at my lgs.. can you manually decock the hammer with one in the chamber? Or is that not safe?

@nimbly1693

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickallen8333 I has a Tristar CZ75 copy. You can manually decock most double actions, but there's always a risk. Always keep it pointed in a safe direction.

@nickallen8333

3 жыл бұрын

@@nimbly1693 I’m not so much worried about the act of decocking it as I am carrying it in that condition. I’d like to carry one in the chamber with the DA trigger pull as the safety.

@nimbly1693

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickallen8333 most modern double action pistols have firing pin safeties. It should be perfectly safe to carry hammer down on a live round.

@jst601

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickallen8333 s&w sd 9mm. Heavy double action trigger pull designed deliberately for that purpose. Much less chance of accidentally firing that heavy trigger pull. Under stress though, the adrenaline would kick in & it'd be virtually unnoticed, in theory. I wish this Beretta clone had a decocker personally. Still, I'll get one of these, as I've wanted a Baretta .380 for years & this gun is quite nice!

Looking forward to the what's for dinner test. Anyone know who sds distributes to?

@kevins1114

4 жыл бұрын

Try budsgunshop(dot)com. They carry lots of SDS offerings.

? . ? . What version "Beretta 84" grips to get . ? . ? . 84BB or 84FS . . OR maybe doesn't matter . ? . ? THANKS

I regret selling my 84 years ago , would love to get one of these but I live in Cali :(

@JES2691

4 жыл бұрын

Solution....move out of California.

@asilaydying1984

4 жыл бұрын

JES2691 I would love to , not that easy

@victorboucher675

4 жыл бұрын

If you call that living ... So do you just keep doing whatever Hitler (or whoever) tells you to do? They are planning to take children now ... I escaped in 2016. Not that easy, but better than insanity. Are they still burning everything and everyone? ... That sure helped me, not so much to pack and move. In truth, most people would be better off with a snubbie 38.

@coreypolite9831

4 жыл бұрын

don't ask don't tell.

@asilaydying1984

4 жыл бұрын

Victor Boucher it’s a garbage state I know , but due to family things I can’t leave right now

How about availability of spare mags.ive noticed extra mags for these off name brand pistols are very hard to find.

@stoegerstewie8351

3 жыл бұрын

Takes beretta 84 mags, itsa licensed copy.

How odd, I was looking at buying a 380 and I think I found it

@babyblue8214

4 жыл бұрын

why would you want a 9mm size .380?

@ATARI800XLfan

4 жыл бұрын

@@babyblue8214 more comfortable and fun to shoot is why.

@jimr5703

4 жыл бұрын

@@ATARI800XLfan Have you shot a Bersa Thunder 380 Plus model? 15rd mags in a PPK sized package and beautiful to shoot.

@FPSBach

4 жыл бұрын

Get the LCP II. Great gun, great trigger, accurate, lightweight.

@bowlofrice8

4 жыл бұрын

@@ATARI800XLfan lol but way way more expensive. I can get 100rd of 9mm for the price if 50rd of 380acp. And I don't think I would say it's any more pleasant to shoot the recoil difference is negligible. But the power difference is not. Those who know buy 9mm

The most important wear area is actually inside the frame, near the disassembly lock. It is where the steel slide slams the aluminum frame. My 84 has a massive peening in that area.

@bowlofrice8

4 жыл бұрын

In walks the 92f

Nice gun!

Is there a charger compatible with it?

Seems to be a nice copy of the 84 Beretta. I cant own this in NY. 13 round magazines are no no’s I assume you didnt disassemble and clean/lube the gun before you shot it. Is there any reason you shot it straight from the box?

@victorboucher675

4 жыл бұрын

Sometimes one must choose to do what is right and just, even if Hitler (or whoever) says do as I say.

@j.p.9522

4 жыл бұрын

NY gun laws are retarded.

@stoegerstewie8351

3 жыл бұрын

Why not shoot out of box ? Its a tool.

@Scrap_Goblin

2 жыл бұрын

@@stoegerstewie8351 and tools are meant to be cleaned lubricated and maintained if you want them to function as well and as long as possible

The trigger guard is different and bigger than that of the beretta but I like it even more.

@nathanlester9985

9 ай бұрын

Yea it's more like the 1911, I would prefer the curve of the original though, but no deal breaker for me.

A squib load is a cartridge that was manufactured badly. It is a cartridge that the gunpowder charge was not put in the cartridge. But, the primer was still placed there. So, when the cartridge is fired the primer goes bang, but not the gunpowder. This can result in the bullet going part ways down the barrel then getting stuck.

@GBGuns

2 жыл бұрын

Correct

I like that, seeing them on Atlantic Firearms, and not wanting an expensive Beretta. I swear they make that gun just to look sexy. Hahaha. Beautiful piece of work there.

If it's licensed, it was licensed before 84FS, which has a decocker. In fact, all 84s after B have it.

@Ni999

4 жыл бұрын

After the BB, decocker was introduced with the F.

Do the Beretta Mags and Grips fit

@whiterabbit201

4 жыл бұрын

Mags yes, grips kind'a sort'a LOL!

Greetings, I want to ask you 2 questions regarding the Pietro Beretta Model F81 .32ACP caliber pistol, very similar to the one you show in the video. 1.- It is possible to convert the pistol to shoot .380 caliber. 2.- When you have a projectile in the chamber and you remove the cocking with your thumb at the moment of firing it, should I cock it again? Thanks a hug for you and Mrs. wife.

@DanielSnyder-bz8kp

Жыл бұрын

I have an 84 and am looking to shoot .32acp. They sell these barrels in both stainless and black. I will order the other color so that I can quickly tell which caliber barrel is in my gun.

Where can I find extra magazines

Esta chingona muy discreta para hocaciones espesiales

I just picked mine up after ordering online. Unfortunately our local gun shops have almost no firearms actually in stock so you have to about go into an online purchase "blind" without being able to get physical with your purchase... Point being I regret the purchase already. It is nearly impossible to rack the slide or activate slide release. I have quite a few different handguns, different calibers, sizes, manufacturers - even surplus from the 50's and not one of them have I had this much trouble. I just spent 5 minutes and had to use 2 hands to engage the slide release. I guess I could just load it up once and throw in the car but I know I certainly wont be taking it to the range. Only purchase I've ever regretted.

@stoegerstewie8351

3 жыл бұрын

Keep slide open for a couple of weeks....repeat as-needed

Why do they need a license? Most (if not all) of Berretta 92 related patents are long expired.

Melhor arma que eu tive na vida

That is a good looking gun

It actually looks a little smaller than the Beretta 84, does anyone know???

Graham, is this still considered a blowback gun despite the removable barrel? Thank you.

@GBGuns

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@johnmcsweeney4966

Жыл бұрын

@@GBGuns Thanks Graham. If you happen to remember, which had more recoil, this gun or the S&W EZ .380?

@GBGuns

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmcsweeney4966 this gun is snappier, but it's distributed across more surface area

@johnmcsweeney4966

Жыл бұрын

@@GBGuns Okay, so the Tisas has more felt recoil?

A friendly reminder you still need to give us a what's for dinner test for the Walther CCP in 380. And I really would like to have a comparison in Recoil between the Walther and the 380 Shield.

So you know if they make a 10 round magazine for this?

@GBGuns

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure aftermarket magazines for the original will fit this clone.

No undercut...lol! Do you know how old this design is. It's a great pistol.

Wonder if cheetah grips / after market grips will fit this gun ??

@PublicJohn

3 жыл бұрын

no

VERYGOOD

Also, I dont care that theyre turkish, the SDS import guns have been really nice so far especially for the price Are these made in the same factory as those turkish hipowers? I really enjoy my regent br9

@Largo5441

3 жыл бұрын

Same factory

Charles Bronson would be proud.

Is the slide unusually hard to rack for you too?

@GBGuns

Жыл бұрын

Try pulling the hammer back first

@davejoerger8928

Жыл бұрын

@@GBGuns I've tried this as well. I can rack the slide but only by holding it close to my body and pulling it and pushing it at the same time with my grip hand. It just seems unnecessarily difficult. Everybody at the range who tried it said it was definitely heavy. Maybe just needs broken in?

@GBGuns

Жыл бұрын

Maybe. We have a video about the easiest way to rack a handgun. Hard to tell if yours is rough or if maybe it's just technique.

@davejoerger8928

Жыл бұрын

@@GBGuns I'll have to watch that. It could be my technique but I've never had that problem with most of the handguns I've owned.

@ployshihashick8240

Жыл бұрын

My husband is pretty strong and does a lot of forearm work in the gym. Out of the guys in our gym, he is the only one who can close The Captains of Crush 2.5 gripper (237.5 lbs.). He closes it for 5-6 reps with his right hand and 4-5 reps with his left hand for 3-4 sets. There are guys in the gym with forearms the size of bowling bowls who can't close it at all. If he says this recoil spring is ridiculously stiff, then it is. 😛 Other than that, it's a great handgun.

Is that a steel or aluminum frame?

@whiterabbit201

4 жыл бұрын

Aluminum lower, steel slide.

The white version is even better looking.

I wonder if they are California legal

A set of Pachmyer grips and mine is a good shooter.

What kind of flashlight can I put on it?

@GBGuns

Жыл бұрын

With an old-school design like this you'll have to go old school and use any flashlight you can hold.

Another great video, thank you. I would much prefer the Berreta.

@terryatherton2881

4 жыл бұрын

Oops spelled that wtong

@bitmastermac

3 жыл бұрын

Terry Atherton you know you can edit, right?

I don't get this sighting system. I would probably paint the rear sight dot black if it was mine.

Would like one in 32, 380 just isnt very fun for me to shoot, especially when it costs as much as it does

@barefootbob1269

4 жыл бұрын

32 costs as much and sometimes more than 380. I have both don't shoot either one a lot just my summer pocket carry. I buy case lots when I do. The last time the 32 was slightly higher and that was same brand of target ammo for each.

@jeremysiegel10

4 жыл бұрын

32 is way more fun to shoot in pistols like these and PP style pistols and can be shot in certain revolvers as well Its worth the cost to me

@glenn19100

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeremysiegel10 Classic has used Beretta 81 32 acp police trade in's for sale for not much more than 200.00. I got one a couple months ago and it was in excellent condition.

@PublicJohn

3 жыл бұрын

@@glenn19100 sold out long ago

Looks pretty good, even better if it came in 9 mm.

@TRu44-560

Жыл бұрын

380 It kills just the same

There is a comment made that, "tiny .380's are no fun to shoot". The Sig Sauer P238 is a tiny .380 and it is fun to shoot. While many tiny .380's can be painful to fire repeatedly, with the 7 round magazine I've put 300 rounds through a P238 in a single session and it didn't hurt a bit, and it was fun the whole time.

@mig50cc

2 жыл бұрын

Ymmv. In general, the tiny 380's aren't going to be fun to shoot. For example, most who work at my lgs/range don't like the LCP while I enjoy shooting it. That's just me, but I can see why people wouldn't like it.

@joesworld396

2 жыл бұрын

@@mig50cc "Other" 380s aren't fun to shoot. The Ruger LCP, I fired 50 rounds out of and it felt like a ferret was trying to gnaw my fingers off. The Sig Sauer P238 is essentially a miniaturized 1911 and with an extended magazine is very comfortable, using a tilt-barrel rather than blowback. It makes a difference.

I'm not a big hammer fired pistol fan, except in 1911. Come out with a striker fired version and I'll uy one.

Fatih is pronounced "fah-tee" and means "conqueror" in Turkish.

@twrol

4 жыл бұрын

Larcoal2 and to think I’ve been calling it “fatty” this whole time.

@Largo5441

3 жыл бұрын

Fatih

is there no decocker????

@victorboucher675

4 жыл бұрын

I use my thumb, except on my 1908 colt (hammer less), my 81(these are so close I would expect the same) goes to half cock automatically.

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