I am honestly glad he hit Bob Kane. But I feel terrible about how badly Bill Finger got treated. The man deserves our respect, RIP sir.

@gaboh296

Жыл бұрын

Anybody who loves comics knows this fact. Bill, in my eyes, is Batman’s father. Kane can burn

@chriscarter6157

Жыл бұрын

@@gaboh296agreed! He was living the good life rich and wealthy while poor bill finger was suffering and it’s really sad that they didn’t give him credit which he deserved, it wasn’t until he died that bob felt bad about how he treated bill and he wished he put his name on it it’s too late for that motherfucker you should’ve given him credit while he was alive, I’m glad that they are giving him credit that he rightfully deserved from the start but I feel that he’ll never see that he’s getting the recognition that he deserved but it’s finally happened and that’s what matters I wish bob was still alive so everyone can tell him what a phony and con artist he is

@williestyle35

11 ай бұрын

We now have the research to show how much Bill Finger contributed to making the 'Batman' we are familiar with. When Bob Kane proposed the character, it was... different. Bob and Bill also stole the fist Batman story from 'The Shadow' (the radio serial was one of my dad's favorites, r. i. p.). Bill Finger never got the respect he deserved, neither did Jerry Robinson (co-creator of Robin and The Joker), or early "ghostartists" like George Roussos, Dick Sprang, et al. Bob Kane liked the spotlight, but was totally unwilling to share the credit with his "staff" that did the majority of the work making 'Batman' world famous. There is an excellent documentary about Finger's work on Batman, and a few good books that look at all the people that helped make 'Batman' so popular (Batman and "Bat family" books made up 70 % of DC's top 10 sellers a year ago, over 60 % of all their overall top sellers as well).

@jordanellis3615

10 ай бұрын

Bill forever

@robkearsy2995

8 ай бұрын

BillMan Forever. He deserved credit.

This is why Jim Steranko is a LEGEND!!

Master artist, writer, designer...and raconteur. Steranko is the man.

@RockandrollNegro

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget: pioneering rock and roll musician, talented stage musician, world renowned escape artist, and amateur boxer.

Twelve minutes ago I didn't know who in the Hell Jim Steranko was. Guided here by a friend and watching him, I'll never forget him.

@smokydogy

7 жыл бұрын

Check out his work on Strange Tales, his Nick Fury, the REAL Nick Fury, is badass.

@thunderlightning1980

3 жыл бұрын

Jim Steranko has done work on Batman titles.

@TheFLAMEXD

Жыл бұрын

​@@smokydogy Implying there's a fake Nick Fury?

@smokydogy

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFLAMEXD The black son of Nick Fury who is the canon main one in 616 right now is a faker lol. They just made him for movie synergy

@williestyle35

11 ай бұрын

@smokydogy ,"the black son of Nick Fury" storyline was thought up before the movies. That creative team wanted to do something different with S. H. I. E. L. D. and modeled an new "leader" on Samuel L Jackson. There had been a rumor about 'Iron Man' being the first new "Marvel movie", maybe they knew about casting, maybe not.

Now DC finally gave Finger credit

Back in the 1970s, I mail ordered some comics from Bill Finger; they were probably reference issues or extras copies he got while working. I'm glad that I was able to help get some money to him, if only a few bucks. I wish I had kept my cancelled purchase check with his signature on it. I never thought about such things back then when I was an early teenager.

Moderated by long-time Steranko historian & publisher J. David Spurlock. When he asked Jim if he'd tell the Kane story (knowing that Jim doesn't like to), Steranko responded: "You know, you're a big trouble maker" Spurlock countered: "I studied under the master."

"Anybody not know who Bob Kane is?" "HISSSSSS"

@budhengatma9375

4 жыл бұрын

He just snooty thief son of bitch from zionist israeli descent

I fucking love Jim Steranko now! RIP BILL AND JERRY!! WE LOVE YOU GUYS!

Stan Lee might have been the only real celebrity in comics, but Steranko is a rock star! BTW...Steranko also did one of my all-time favorite comics stories, his "future Superman" story for Superman # 400 back in the eighties.

@toyhunter2903

5 жыл бұрын

Stan Lee might be "The Man" but Jack Kirby was the "King" Not for nothing Jack Kirby is known as the King of Comics. 🤴

@hcanderson3787

4 жыл бұрын

Exile at the Edge of Eternity, a classic. It's one of my all-timers too.

@queencancerous5332

Жыл бұрын

Stan was kinda a dick, but at least he gave Kirby a fucking credit. Bob Kane gave Bill Finger nothing.

I met Steranko and it was a honor to get a autograph from him and money well spent.

The man who bicth slapped Bob Kane. That should be a movie.

@altalia07

Ай бұрын

Lmao

Bob Kane is that the guy credited with creating Batman was probably the person who did the least amount of work in that creation, while the people who did the heavy lifting never even got to put their names on the stories they created. It’s not just Bill Finger, of course - Dick Sprang, Jerry Robinson, Sheldon Moldoff, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster, all those guys got screwed by Kane one way or the other - but while most of those guys thankfully lived long enough to be recognized for their work, Finger, the co-creator of Batman, died in obscurity without ever getting to claim his creation. Even today, you could read Batman comics for years and never see his name. To be fair to everyone involved, I want to stress that this is in no way the fault of DC Comics. I’m pretty sure that everyone working over there would be more than happy to give Finger the credit he deserves, but thanks to Kane’s contract that specified that he would be credited as the sole creator of Batman until the end of time, they can’t. And the main reason for that, judging by reports from most of the people concerned, is that Finger was a great writer but an awful businessman, and Kane was a moderately talented artist who happened to be an evil narrsistic hack.

@binkyjenkinsnut7336

8 жыл бұрын

***** EXACTLY LOL!!!!

@binkyjenkinsnut7336

8 жыл бұрын

***** Poor jack kirby ;(

@poopbone666

7 жыл бұрын

MaRs he didn't create captain America at all! It was joe Simon and jack Kirby!

@ajjane8495

7 жыл бұрын

As the story goes, Siegel & Shuster wanted to get the rights to superman back from DC, and asked Kane for help. He declined. He did however tell the people in charge of DC about S & S's plan, and even got to negotiate a high pay grade for himself while he was at it.

@ajjane8495

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm not sure if it's true or not, but if it did happen, it certainly does help to paint Mr. Kane in a not so good light.

Steranko got revenge for Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson.... Batman style!!!

@MutantsInDisguise

9 ай бұрын

Revenge, or Justice?

I wish I could tell a story as well as Jim does here.

I read an interview with Sheldon Moldoff once in which he was asked about Kane and he simply said "I have nothing to say about that man" - what do you have to do in life to generate such coldness in others?

@thedude8457

2 жыл бұрын

Taking all the credit for coming up with a name for the best superhero of all time. Bob came up with the name but Bill actually designed Batman’s costume and his other side characters. Yet Bob took all the credit away from Bill, and only gave him some credit after Bill died.

@DrWhom

Жыл бұрын

think about it... what could Moldoff have said (all true) that would not have led folks to say, oh well, it must be sour grapes, there must be two sides to the story, etc. "I have nothing to say about him" really is the _only_ thing you can say about someone who has fucked you over like that.

Jim Steranko became my favorite artist after I saw my first Nick Fury cover on Strange Tales. I once owned every comic he ever did and the entire Shadow paperback set, that he did the covers for. Even some of the other paperbacks he did covers for. Got to meet him, years ago. Had him sign the History of Comics vol. 2 and my copy of O"Ryann's Odyssey portfolio (given away at the Detroit Triple Fan Fair of 1970). He was a treat to listen to and meet! Steranko will always be number 1 with me. Thanks for sharing this with us, for it shows how much Steranko cares about comics and those that make them.

this bill finger story could make a great movie. bill and bob and whoever else was around in 1939 and the 1940s. i just wonder if there are stories for how he had a hand in creating the rest of the batman characters.

@berkayotkur6617

3 жыл бұрын

There is a documentary on Hulu called "Batman and Bill." Good stuff.

I have never wanted to applaud after a KZread video before.

god bless Jim Steranko such a hero to the industry of comics

Jim Steranko is BAD ASS.

Steranko is one of the greatest storytellers I've ever heard. A true renaissance man. He was also an extremely accomplished and top tier card magician, but he gave it up in the 80s after his second book (with some groundbreaking and never-before seen tricks) was leaked through the piracy card magic underground in New Orleans before it was ever published.

Neal Adams did more for Batman than Bob Kane himself.

@alexjacoli9380

4 жыл бұрын

Except when he created Batman Odyssey.

@nerdsanctuary2298

2 жыл бұрын

I'd also like to add that's taranco did more for comics with his very limited run that he had he still did more than Bob Kane did in his Decades of "work"

@nerdsanctuary2298

2 жыл бұрын

Steranko* voice tying

Right on, Jim!

Nobody mess with Jim Baby !

Annoying audience members keep laughing at inappropriate moments when the details are not intended to be funny.

Jim Steranko, he is a great writer/artist. One of his many works were Captain America 110, 111, 113. Sadly Madame Hydra was killed in the end of Captain America 113. However, the character became avaiable in Captain America 180.

Steranko is my childhood idol.

I have the Heroes Unlimited Role-Playing Game from Palladium Books and the cover is by Jim Steranko and Bill Everett. Even some of the art inside of the book is illustrated by Steranko.

Kane did eventually give finger credit. From wikipedia In 1989, Kane acknowledged Finger as "a contributing force" in the character's creation, and wrote, "Now that my long-time friend and collaborator is gone, I must admit that Bill never received the fame and recognition he deserved. He was an unsung hero ... I often tell my wife, if I could go back fifteen years, before he died, I would like to say. 'I'll put your name on it now. You deserve it.'" Comics historian Ron Goulart has referred to Batman as the "creation of artist Bob Kane and writer Bill Finger".

@thedude8457

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah giving credit to someone who’s already dead. F you Bob.

@DrWhom

Жыл бұрын

but Kane was not much of an artist either

@user-zo7mr3op8i

2 ай бұрын

@@DrWhom The guy was so lucky to have Bill Finger, Jerry Robinson, Dick Sprang and others to do most of the work from the word go and he should acknowledge that and thank many later artists and writers who ensured that the awful Sheldon Moldoff comics were not the last we heard of the character. But - I believe no-one has ever denied that he came up with the Batman/Bat-man name and therefore at least a vague starting off point for the character. He was a far cannier negotiator when it came to royalties than those that pointed the way, too. So a tiny bit of credit goes to him. Hard to admire him though.

Bob Kane, in an ABC TV Special, "Why is Batman Forever," took full credit for creating the Riddler who was created by Bill Finger and Dick Sprang and NOT Bob Kane!

Bill finger is Batman! MANY thanks to jim for being a constant defender for bill

Steranko is a tough sob. this aint the first story like this he's told...

He talks how he writes. Fuckin insane

best thing that ever happened to marvel comics

Bravo, Jim!!

Steranko forever!!!!!

It really boggles my mind how someone with such empathy and self-determination ever became a Trumper. But bitch-slapping Bob Kane earns Steranko a "bye" in my book.

@MLBlue30

Жыл бұрын

Guess Trump was a better con man than Kane could ever hope to be.

YO BOB DANG KANE DIDNT CREATE BATMAN BILL FINGER DID

I always liked this guy !

Hugh Hefner and Adam West's Bruce Wayne wore an ascot. George Lucas gets a cut of all the Star Wars merchandise. Spider-man was a used name before Stan Lee took it and did his partners dirty.

That guy to Jima right kept interjecting while he was talking.

Moderated by acclaimed author-historian J. David Spurlock

Spread the truth

@gnarrcan108

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao ur username

Wow I didn't know about that one but he had no right to do that to him but Jim did had a reputation of not being messed with I recall hearing or reading something years ago about an incident when he wanted to be paid for panels that had no words on them and I remember years ago the comic book was strange tales featuring Nick fury agent of shield I remember the book when it was out at the time it had no words it really expresses the artistic expression without words and art tells the story in the case of Nick and Val's romance now he went to this guy named sol brodanski I don't know if that's the way you pronounce it or spell it but anyway he want to be paid for those panels and sol wouldn't pay for it so he tried to throw him out the window now I do condemns some forms of violence only in self-defense but he did get paid for those panels now in the case of Bob Kane he really had no business doing what he did to him that was not right so sometimes you smack a person in the face you going you going to get it right back at you I never met Jim but I recall corresponding to the guy that he tried to throw out the window through a letter but that was when I was a teenager

Great story. So many eggshell egos and primadonnas in the entertainment industries.

Why?? It's insane!! Bob is the villain!! Bill finger is the true hero.

Probably the only person who smacked Bob Kane. Probably many wanted to.

This 11 minute video felt like a twenty minute vid

What I would of Gave to Slap Bob Kane after finding out what he did to Bill finger and the blokes that built the Charcter Bob claimed to create while screwing everyone over

Bill Finger is the real hero

Both Robert Kane (Robert Kahn) and Bill Finger (Milton William Finger) are Jewish. Kane (Kahn) being Eastern European Jew bloodline and Finger being Austrian-Jewish bloodline.

Bob Kane sounds horrible. More than I thought before.

@KickflipGnasty

7 жыл бұрын

Jack John No Stan still contributed TONS. Bob hardly created a single idea for Batman. Stan created The X Men and The Hulk by himself. That alone gives him at least a notch or 2 on Bob.

@KickflipGnasty

7 жыл бұрын

Jack John His input was remarkably higher than Kane's was in Batman my point. You might be right about those specifics, but I know Stan had a huge hand in creating and writing stories for the worlds for the characters at least. Kane didnt. Also Kirby was credited lol Finger was seriously dismissed. Stan is nowhere near the swipe artist Kane was.

@firefistdonuts3286

5 жыл бұрын

@Gerard de Souza stan was no boss he was just an editor

@toyhunter2903

5 жыл бұрын

@@firefistdonuts3286 Stan Lee was the Editor-in-Chief and he was the boss of all the artists. But the owner of the company was Martin Goodman and he was the boss of Stan Lee.

@firefistdonuts3286

5 жыл бұрын

@@toyhunter2903 yeah thats what i said

Bitch slapped him no less. Haha works every time.

Everyone wants a slice of Kane after hearing Fingers story, funny this was never talked about back in the day when something could have been done. Steranko is just riding the wave here

@MILDMONSTER1234

2 жыл бұрын

This shit happened all the time back in the day it was prsctically normal

What Kane did was draw a picture that looked like a sketch of a man in a bat suit or shape, and that's how he could claim he created Batman and get away with it for years. That's all he did really. But if that deal was in effect by 1966 well that may have made him comfortable.

@thedude8457

2 жыл бұрын

More like he traced another artist’s drawing

This old dude probably has more swagger and cool than 99% of the nerds there 😂

He died and now everyone discredits him sad and fake just like media. He was friends with stan lee they would go eat dinner together. Stan was been here since before dc was even called DC. People say the same about Stan lee which is crazy because he never even intended or thought that his creations would be collectables or have alot of impact in our culture.

@MILDMONSTER1234

2 жыл бұрын

Going off what happened at bobs funeral i doubt he had much respect for him near the end. Hard to say

@dcbeatsmarvel3627

2 жыл бұрын

@@MILDMONSTER1234 he did there is video of him talking about bob after his death people just think they kno but dont kno shit

I am astounded DC is ok with Bob Kane, a narcissist, a wannabe, a fake and a selfish thief representing the backbone of who they are. Batman represents justice, while Kane is famous for deceit, theft, forgery, even murder, etc. DC supports super-villains, rather than true heroes, how sad and twisted...

Artist Bob Kane created Batman, and writer Bill Finger did not. Bill suggested a makeover to the character which worked, but that hardly made him an artist/creator overnight. Actually without Superman, there would have been no Batman, anyway. The company just wanted a followup to Superman, and Kane came up with it inside of one weekend. Yet even since then he's been treated like a villain because he didn't go into business as a one man "credit Bill" promoter, which is nonsense.

I love Steranko's illustrations, but he's more than a little full of himself. I would have liked to have heard Bob's version of the story.

@darkartsdabbler2407

2 жыл бұрын

The guy who is by all accounts a dishonest schmuck? ...why?

Bob Kane was the Donald Trump of comics!

@mws755

5 жыл бұрын

Give the Trump shit a break. Dumbass

@jeanemlicar

5 жыл бұрын

Man,that's the Harshest comment I've read on here.

@arto9775

4 жыл бұрын

Orange man bad.. fs give it a rest. Can you keep it up for another 4 years?

@nimblenavigator9520

3 жыл бұрын

Donald Trump is a badass. Bob Kane is a schmuck.

@MLBlue30

Жыл бұрын

Orange messiah dick is a hell off a drug and a lot of cocksuckers here in the comments.

So Bob Kane Jewed everybody over, basically ?

@SuperSethstone

6 жыл бұрын

No, he basically screwed everyone over and ripped them off.

I'm sorrry but Steranko was DEAD WRONG to slap an old man, that is, IF this story is true! It sounds so much like a scene from GODFATHER PART 2 I don't find it coincidental.But even so, old guys used to do stuff like that in those days because it was an expression of admiration for youthful ambition, especially Jewish oldmen! But having said this, what's wrong with Kane's liking ascots and patent leather shoes? How about if I made fun of Jim's wacky hair style? Anyway, Bill Finger was NEVER Bob Kane's business partner and that was why he never got "credit". Like other former assistants who worked for artists or other writers, working for Kane got Finger training and skills he could take to DC or other publishers and from then on, the development of his career was his own responsibility, PERIOD!.

@toyhunter2903

5 жыл бұрын

Nobody mess with Baby Jim !

@mck7646

5 жыл бұрын

That's a hefty bit of denial on your part.

@Connorgallus

4 жыл бұрын

Are you really going to defend Kane for fucking over and taking credit for other peoples work for 75 years?

@pulsarstargrave256

4 жыл бұрын

@@Connorgallus Yes, because we've been lied to by Kane AND by his detractors who distorted the facts! Kane came clean but his enemies kept lying even after many unbiased sources backed him up!

@noisekeeper

2 жыл бұрын

@@pulsarstargrave256 yeah you definitely sound an in denial loon.

I can't blame him but BATMAN is more than just a VOICE! BOB KANE is the voice I remember! but I love THE BAT no matter who wrote are acted the great story/hero!!

@alexjacoli9380

4 жыл бұрын

The whole point of the Finger Kane story is that Finger was never given credit for his concepts, The suit ,rogues gallery, supporting characters and environment were all from Bill Finger .Kane was a technically uninspired artist with a unique style who did not state Bill Fingers major involvement while negotiating with the fledgling DC comics.

@DrWhom

Жыл бұрын

@@alexjacoli9380 uninspired artist... tracer of panels by Foster etc

@MutantsInDisguise

9 ай бұрын

There is nothing wrong with opening yourself to the truth, no matter how painful it can be.

Bob Kane is still the creator of Batman. Everybody is trying to undermine him because they don't like him as a person but Batman was HIS idea. The end

@mck7646

5 жыл бұрын

Bob Kane only came up with a loose idea and the name. Bill Finger is responsible for what everyone recognizes as Batman- the cowl, the cape, the back story, the detective work, the batcave/batmobile, many of the villains, etc. Kane took the idea as his own and pitched it to DC securing himself the deal and pushing Finger out of the picture. Legally Kane is credited as the creator along with Finger, but in reality Finger came up with most of it as he was the writer and creative force behind it. Finger died unknown and penniless while Kane reveled in the wealth and fame, do the math.

@Anth230

2 жыл бұрын

@@mck7646 Regardless. He was the initial creator. It was his idea. Was he a dick about it?? Hell Yeah but lots of artists and creators etc. Are like this. They get petty.

@HolyRomanEmperor90

Жыл бұрын

Nobody is saying that Kane didn’t come up with the idea of Batman and that he doesn’t deserve credit for doing so. People don’t like him because he refused to give all of the other people who worked on and contributed to Batman like Bill Finger, Jerry Robinson, Dick Sprang and Sheldon Moldoff their well-deserved credit and lied by saying that he alone created Batman. Kane was the initial spark, but everything that we know and love about Batman including his costume, his true identity and his backstory was created by Bill Finger. He absolutely deserved at least partial credit for creating Batman, but he ended up dying penniless in obscurity at only age 59 while Kane took all the credit and got rich. Finger did not deserve what happened to him.

@robkearsy2995

8 ай бұрын

Yeah but Bill Finger designed Batman he came up with backstories. As well as other characters.

With Kane's penchant for hiring assistants, Steranko's lucky Bob wasn't angry enough or had the inclination to hire some thugs to kick HIS butt! Still, Mr.Kane had no right putting his hands on anybody because he didn't know how the person's going to take it, but everything else Steranko said was disrespectful and out of line! Actually Jim's "testimony" reminds me of what's wrong with the American Comics industry. The publisher, National (later DC ) shied away from licensing Batman products because Bob Kane would have gotten a piece of it but they licensed Superman to the hilt and didn't have to share anything with Siegel and Shuster...and this is applauded?! Bill Finger, who has been exposed as a shameless plagiarist, is a "hero" to too many people but Kane who ran his studio like a business is the "villain"?! With this kind of mindset, it's no wonder that American Comics creators have always struggled compared to their Japanese counterparts and American Comics in general just keep recycling the same stories over and over and over again! When they're not busy having their heroes make deals with the Devil!

@pulsarstargrave256

9 жыл бұрын

Pulsar Stargrave "Nobody liked that guy?" I'm not surprised, why? Because he was SUCCESSFUL! The problem with that Bill Finger Sob Story Steranko is telling is that it doesn't hold up to the reality. Finger worked directly for Kane from 1938-1940 or '41 and he supposedly died broke in 1974. But what is left out was what happened in between?! His success on BATMAN gave Finger MANY opportunities! I mentioned his contributions to the original GREEN LANTERN but he also Co-Created WILDCAT and worked for other publishers besides DC, including Timely\Marvel (He Co-Created The All Winners Squad for them). And if that wasn't enough, he became a screenwriter for film and television! What Steranko also left out was that Finger had personal problems that sabotaged a lot of these opportunities which, unfortunately, is a common occurrence with some creative types but that's another subject in itself.

@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive

9 жыл бұрын

Pulsar Stargrave Bill Finger only straight lifted one story which was the first Batman story "The Case of the Chemical Syndicate" which in Detective Comics #27 which was ripped from The Shadow. Finger confessed and took all responsibility for that plagiarism. He credits his sources and influences. However he defends that he wasn't aware that it was going to be published, he was under the impression the Bob just wanted a story to practice his art on. Kane claimed he wrote "The Case of the Chemical Syndicate" by himself, and it was a wholly original story when evidence proves otherwise. www.dialbforblog.com/archives/391/

@pulsarstargrave256

9 жыл бұрын

DoctorWeeTodd Where are Finger's direct quotes in admission to this? I'm NOT interested in second hand info because I've found that too often people like to speak "for" Bill when they are only using their own words. And BTW that's not the only time Finger engaged in plagiarism. The suggestions he made about parts of the costume were "inspired" by The Phantom and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that he might have seen Spring Heeled Jack and forgotten about it or failed to mention it! Did you ever read the story in BATMAN #1--"Professor Strange And His Monsters"? Didn't the ending remind you of a certain movie? Oh, I suppose that was another "practice" story, huh? As for Kane, I'm not denying that he notoriously lied about having a studio and he wasn't the only cartoonist to do so. There are several reasons why but some have to do with ego while others just plain don't want their people to be stolen by other cartoonists and more importantly, today's assistant may become tomorrow's competition. Just look at American comics today, journeymen and women travel from one company to the next! As for "Dial B For Blog" for personal reasons, I'm just not interested in that site at all.

@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive

9 жыл бұрын

Pulsar Stargrave Taking inspirations and ideas is not the same as complete plagiarism which Kane did often and Finger admitted to in Case of the Chemical Syndicate. Bob Kane plagiarized his entire life and had to gall to call anyone who accused him as such liars. www.chud.com/community/t/96681/bob-kane-story

@pulsarstargrave256

9 жыл бұрын

DoctorWeeTodd Kane swiped. And LOTS of artists and writers have swiped. Writers swiped ideas and plot devices, just look at how often Romeo and Juliet has been swiped. Yes, there is a difference between swiping and plagiarism and it is a very fine line that's best to be avoided. You can't copyright an idea because they are nebulous things. But you can copyright and trademark a finished product. So, YES I know the difference so I don't need a lecture. Now, Kane, like many other cartoonists, swiped poses and if he didn't know how to draw a gorilla he swiped from somebody who did. There are no excuses for that so why do you want to make excuses for Finger? It's this silly double standard that I find amusing. Finger didn't take "inspiration" from King Kong he STOLE from it! And the image of how Batman could look more impressive than Kane's original concept was from previous characters not his own ideas. This is why a guy like Finger or anybody like him needed to have story conferences with editors, to remind him that "...this sounds awful familiar!" What you and other Finger backers can't come to grips with is that he CHOSE to be a freelance writer and speaking from personal experience, knowing freelancers and having indulged in it a little, FREELANCING STINKS! Unless your work is mega popular like a Jack Davis, Norman Rockwell or a Frazetta, you might eat today, you may not tomorrow that's why when an offer for a steady job comes up, most freelancers jump on it and don't mess it up! Based on how Bill managed his own career, Kane was right not to make him a business partner and I respect his decision.