I'm a bjj guy myself but also did TKD & TSD for many years. If that guy's a black belt throwing a spinning kick like that then I'm a pro body builder. Never lifted weights in my life. Very funny.

@kissofthecobra3761

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, just watched a vid of one of the old Gravie challenge matches that was titled something like Russian 8th dan in Judo, Vs Gracie when there isn't even a 8th dan Judo in Russia and they never mention his name. That was it for me I mean perhaps it's my excuse and I do think BJJ, is very effective but it was enough for me to reinforce that there whole label has just been a scam from day one. I mean how hard is it to roll with someone, video tape it then promote it is a complete system? A lot easier than selling chessy Karate tapes that teach no touch KO's but it's more about the label and using it for a really smart business plan. I didn't see one kick with any real power so wouldn't care If he is a BB, he's technique is pretty flawed, If he hasn't gone past the stage of tag your hit. No real challange here O, and move the camera, get over here LOL.

@rodvan-zeller6360

Жыл бұрын

@@kissofthecobra3761 Propaganda

@kissofthecobra3761

Жыл бұрын

@@rodvan-zeller6360 Pretty much but each there own.

@turntablesrockmyworld9315

Жыл бұрын

@@kissofthecobra3761 But you are creating propaganda yourself for making a false claim. The fight with the Russian Judo guy made no claim on rank, what was said was that he was a 6 time Russian Judo champ, unless there is another challenge I don't know about. Of course there was hype and propaganda to promote it here but most of these were people from other styles coming to fight them in challenges. Almost all of the challenges on their tapes are black belts in their styles. In fact one of the fighters a legit black belt in Kung Fu, who they fought in 2 challenge matches also entered the UFC where Royce beat him again. I trained Karate, Judo in the 1980s and BJJ changed martial arts overnight. I was training BJJ in 1993-ish and it was a game-changer. I even began submitting competitive Judo black belts as a BJJ white belt. Rorion systematized it and you are ignoring decades of refinement in prize fighting from the turn of the century. Now, the style, in retrospect, had a limited strategy, which everone has caught up to, but most martial arts back then, were making false claims about effectiveness, etc.

@kissofthecobra3761

Жыл бұрын

@@turntablesrockmyworld9315 I don't buy it. No one is running around challenging everyone else in dojos, the Idea of a dojo storm is defunct at best. There are many martial artistist who make false claims but I don't think that's the fault of martial arts as martial arts are just that a art form. Take wing chun as a prime example wing chun is piss poor when up against a seasoned boxer are any contact sport athlete. However, Wing Chun also deals with concepts found in western boxing, and with the right focus and intent it has some value even If it isn't an all-around system. The same can be said about arnis but the thing with arnis is it doesn't always translate over to empty-hand combat it's a stick fighting art. However, training in some styles in the 80's was probably a lot more brutal than how people train today. I used to train a style called Kajukenbo that has a motto that is your not done tell blood is on the floor. There are plenty of claims of old-school Kajukenbo fights that lead to broken bones and students leaving due to the intensity of training. Honestly, how much of it is true I don't care. I don't walk with a badge testing things I've trained in because I know they work. I know boxing can be lethal and I know Judo can also be very dangerous. In fact, there was a video here on youtube that it appears to have been removed and showed a throw that could have easily killed the guy being thrown. Where the Gracies tuff? Yes, do they know how to grapple? Yes but it doesn't deviate from the fact that Gracie Jujitsu is a brand and a brand has a purpose to sell a name and this case an art that was refined for competitive fighting. Are you now going to come back and tell me Gracie Jujitsu is something new and magical? Are you going to try the typical it's art A Vs B bullshit? It's an art, a valuable art created for completion but it wasn't the Gravies who were the first to do all-out fights. It was Mitsuyo Maeda, who actually taught the Gravies how to win over others with Jujitsu so If anything all the respect goes to Mitsuyo Maeda.

The guy bossing around the cameraman was annoying.

That guy ain't no TKD instructor 🤣🤣🤣

@cowlico

Жыл бұрын

Now what the hell was that kick trying to be🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

lol i was confused at first i thought the guy with the belt was the taekwondo guy

@billywashere6965

Жыл бұрын

Yeah same. Tae Kwon Do dude had HORRIBLE form and threw no good kicks. He should have pressured the BJJ dude with kicks to zone him out. Plus BJJ had no kick defense so WTF was the TKD dude waiting for? He could have knocked him out quickly but was doing some weird silly stuff instead. SMH

@michaeljung4398

Жыл бұрын

That's what I thought, too. BJJ guy kicked? more often than TKD guy. I thought his kick was strange.

This blue belt is well trained. He kept his distance from kicks and punches, and closed it when appropriate. Once he had ahold of his opponent, he quickly did a backwards foot trip.

Almost broke his leg with that take down being honest

The TKD turning back kick looks like 3 day beginner kick when I was in elementary. He does not move like black belt

@thorazine0076

Жыл бұрын

all grapplers make standup martial artist look like white belts

@AcceleratingUniverse

26 күн бұрын

​@@thorazine0076yeah I'm sure that's what it is

@thorazine0076

26 күн бұрын

@@AcceleratingUniverse You are correct and that is sure!!💯

The only blue belt there was the camera man.

No way that guy is a TKD black belt!!!!

BJJ blue belts are apparently way more sophisticated nowadays. Also who gave that dude a black belt lol.

@tre1740

Жыл бұрын

in the description it says the guy in the gi is the bjj guy (and that he was apparently also an aikido black belt, and that he was wearing his black belt from aikido)

@redbaroncarwash

Жыл бұрын

@Random Name Yes, all of which is so much easier to do in a fake fight scenario where you don't have to worry about your opponent biting a chunk out of your forearm while you are fishing around for the choke. Every legitimate martial artist should have some grappling in his toolbag. And every legitimate black belt will attempt to bite a chunk out of your flesh anytime you're trying to sink in that rear naked choke or arm bar. If there's one overarching hangup with martial arts these days it is the people who cannot separate the controlled environment of a match in an octagon, with what a real fight is like where gouging eyeballs, and fishhooks, and biting are fair game.

@DorkusDidactus

Жыл бұрын

@@redbaroncarwash You say that as if the BJJ practitioner is not able to perform any of those "real fight" maneuvers. Let a BJJ blue belt get on your back and then ask them to try to get to your eyes before you get to theirs. Try to get your teeth on their arm as they go for a choke. People bring these sorts of criticisms up all the time, but they don't test their hypotheses. Yet, many of the early BJJ academies in the 70s/80s/90s had open-door policies for anyone who wanted to come challenge the instructor in an anything-goes match. One must be in a proper position to execute *any* technique. What BJJ practitioners gain is the ability to control *position* in a fight situation. Talking about rear naked chokes and armbars is missing 90% of what BJJ is.

I am an amateur boxer kind of guy and have spar with TKD black belt who is a friend. Believe me that guy is no black belt. 😅

We didnt know anything about ju jitsu back than . Its amazing the knowledge we have now😂

He definitely does not look like black or even blue belt anything . Looks clueless :)

That spinning kick doesn't even have a name in TKD. If it had, it would mean "drunken spinning bad ballet dancer"

I love how fighting has evolved. To say one martial arts is superior is just wishful thinking. Nowadays, it’s all bout training in striking and grappling and creating systems that can help you defend yourself so you can come back in one piece to your family. ❤

Camera man walk around here please!!!!! LOL

It seems like the TKD guys in these BJJ videos all went to the same school. 😀

It's been a while since I've seen a bullshito video. 😂

The Black Belt Mill in action. Green belt doesn't like his instructor, or gets tired of being spanked by the brown belts in class, quits the school, watches KZread videos, buys a black belt on amazon. Now he's teaching other incompetent students in his garage karate school. That dude is not a legitimate black belt.

Who was which? Also the guy who won was a lot bigger so its not really any indication of which style is dominant.

Gotta say, anyone with reasonable grappling skills will make anyone without look like a chump! If you're challenging Tae Kwon Do or Karate guys, boxers, you should probably strike with them. On the other hand, these same guys should definitely add some grappling / wrestling to their game if they want to actually be able to win a fight.

@PDKMA

Жыл бұрын

That guy is not a TKD black belt lol but he says he is. A real one knows a good amount of TKD ground fighting and he obviously does not 😂

@rotorairgroup8409

Жыл бұрын

Why would you strike with a striker ? Use your best skills, and never fought the other guy's fight.

@rotorairgroup8409

Жыл бұрын

​@@PDKMATKD ground fighting ? WTH is that ??

If the tkd guy had smashed the bjj practitioner no one would have questioned the legitimacy of his black belt…

@flowrepins6663

Жыл бұрын

if that really happened no one would be seeing this tape as it was recorded by gracies to promote them selves. make you wonder how many unrecorded defeats they may have

@thorazine0076

Жыл бұрын

@@flowrepins6663 you think a tKd guy has a chance against a grappler? ... lol

@costa200

Жыл бұрын

Well, I expected a BJJ win. Specially in 1994... But that TKD guy looks sketchy as hell! That kick... Black belt? No way!

Being a blue belt in bjj is equivalent to being a black belt in any other martial art.

@AcceleratingUniverse

26 күн бұрын

have you gotten your first white belt stripe yet

@shimentakezo1562

25 күн бұрын

@@AcceleratingUniverse I am a blue belt with 2 degrees, I have won tournaments and I also practice wrestling

@jmazz85786

9 күн бұрын

@@shimentakezo1562You mean 2 stripes.

@jmazz85786

9 күн бұрын

Also it’s generally accepted fact that being a purple belt and not a blue belt is equivalent to being a black belt in other martial arts.

A slap a humane way to assert his superiority.

@Observe555

Жыл бұрын

It’s actually done so the bottom guy rolls over onto his stomach to avoid the slaps, then the BJJ guy applies a rear naked choke. But you’re correct, it is humane as well.

Couldn’t see the TKD guy. Must have blinked.

the ole rip your knee takedown

He made it look so easy.

No way is that a TKD instructor.

I never understand why whenever we see BJJ against anything else, punches are never thrown against the BJJ guy, I mean punches to the face, body, kidneys,? It always appears so unrealistic. Do you get my meaning?

@jmazz85786

9 күн бұрын

He threw some love taps 😂

That’s no taekwondo black belt or instructor so it would be nice for you to cut the crap

this looked like a fight scene from Cobra Kai

That spinning kick was a joke 😅

There is no way that guy is a Tae Kwon Do Instructor. Tae kwon Do Focuses on perfecting Kicks. He does not even know how to throw a spinning kick. Maybe he got his Black Belt In a School where they guarantee you a Black Belt in a year. Judging by his attempt at kicking he would be a White Belt...At Best!

@olumideayorinde1367

4 ай бұрын

That guy doesn't look like a taekwondo practitioner at all let alone a black belt

That guy is bad even for TKD standards.

There is no way in hell that guy is a black belt. I love to $hit all over TKD as much as the next guy but generally speaking they have way more confidence in their stance and often keep their hands low because they assume they can kick everyone's head off.

what does this prove? All you have is one person who is more skilled than another. It is not a comparison of styles only that one person can beat another.

Dude could have already choked him out in the first few seconds on the ground

Fkin hilarious

Instrutor de Taekwondo com aquele chutinho giratório início...aham... 😂😂😂

Damn manhandled

I thought the guy in the gi was the black belt.

Absolut unwürdig

Gracie Combatives!

that guy i dun think he is a taekwon do black belt bro. come on are you serious?

Instructor?))

*MMA fighter vs Tae Kwon Do challenge match* See I just fixed your title. There is no such thing as a BJJ fighter in an actual fight. You will use a striking martial art and then judo or wrestling to close the distance. In fact there is no such thing as BJJ in itself. The actual term should be mixed grappling as the "art" has no foundation on its own. It is a mixture of different grappling arts that were appropriated and the names of the moves changed.

2 stripe white belt level. 😂

No way in hell that dude is a black belt... Honestly I don't think that guy ever even took martial arts... From his stance and blocks to that attempt of a back kick. Click bait title to make TKD look bad (no offense to BJJ, it's also a good form)

Also kämpfen koennen sie schon alle und der sport ist hobby dazu

If you kich the person on the knee it does nothing karate does that but they punch. Taekwondo kicks to the head mostly when the opponent gets hit in the head .he falls down our bends down and that is when you keep him in the chest that is why wtf where body guard to protect there chest from get hit hard.

Lol at the kayfabe in the description. "Lopsided ruleset that put Scott at a huge disadvantage", meaning the BJJ guy wouldn't strike and the TKD guy wouldn't grapple.. in a match testing if striking is more effective than grappling. I like how you list every single type of strike to make it seem worse for him. These old BJJ propaganda videos are a bit much

Why are taekwondo just kicking to the knee. A taekwondo practicer learn to kick the head and in the chest

Show really honest taekwondo guy who was in competition and won. It wouldn't be easy like that. Taekwondo person is fast that taekwondo is not guy. Fighter a karate or taekwondo practicer who won tournaments against a bjj person who does tournaments that is a challenge not these guy. It is a joke. A poorly taekwondo trained against a skilled bjj of us the taekwondo guy will lose no competition. You need equally skilled at there arts to compete.

Esa patada en giro es de un principiante no de un instructor 😂

the take down technique looks poor... lucky they both have okay knees after that

BJJ people should not be using this kind of video for advertising their sport. This is not a TKD black belt. Looks like he had 2 lessons in his life. The BJJ guy would probably win anyhow but with a real black belt at least it would not look this ridiculous.

Even in TKD vs TKD fight, only a fighter with no tournament or little sparring experience makes a tuit chagi (the spinkick in reverse he does before he’s taken down) as an offensive move. A tuit chagi is a good response to an attack. I’m practicing TKD for many years and I think TKD stands no chance against a skilled JJ fighter. All TKD black belts including a former national champion who was our trainer agree, and train JJ themselves to compensate. The TKD fighter’s only chance and objective would be to keep distance. All spin kicks open for being grabbed. The only tools remaining (with high risk still of being grabbed) are yop chagi (side kick), bandal (roundhouse), push kick and knee kick. Naeryo (frontal high kick) or a tuit chagi maybe if an opportunity arises as a counter. All only front foot, since rear opens the body and takes longer. Low kicks are not allowed in TKD. All medium and high kicks are dangerous since the JJ fighter could grab the leg.

The TKD guy didn't appear to be very skilled. That said, it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference...

Lol black belt? Yeah right thats a no belt.

Yes the guy is not tkd nothing.

Blue belt was just terrible. Black Belt was awful too. wtf did I just watch?

Staged

Esa persona no sabe jiu-jitsu. Solo le hicieron al cuento..

Taikwondo waist