Bruce is a great reference, but demonstration is a demonstration. DK Yoo pulls the same tricks, but when he was tested against trained fighters. His tricks failed him.

Two of the greatest in martial arts. I love how they shook hands in the end and a bow to each other. Respect. ❤️❤️❤️

@boogsybrooks

2 жыл бұрын

Bruce was sneaky here though. He switched from going at Vic's chest to his head without telling him and without say "ready." Obviously he did this because Vic was blocking his strikes.

I had a poster of Bruce on my wall as a boy growing up. First time I've ever heard anything like that. Total respect.

I'm a massive Bruce Lee fan and I came here assuming it would be more of the same (as always) of him prevailing. A lovely story to put a little balance to the [almost] mythical narrative that is always put out there about Bruce, but told most respectfully and I am sure Bruce went away with alot of respect for Vic that day

Fact is, Martial Arts is not for drawing attention to ones self. It is an art that benefits people mentally, physically, develops a respect for others, self control and ultimately for self defense, not to show off. That’s when it becomes a problem.

This is one of the best videos I've seen of BL footage. Shows the details that we don't normally see and what really happens. True legend speaking there

This is why actual fight experience is essential: Moore didn't try to "outspeed" Bruce, he OUTREAD his movements, something that many martial artists who only rely on conditioning and repetition drills have no way of learning. Also, respect to Mr Moore, who competed back when Karate tournaments were closer to what they should be, instead of the games of tag they are today.

@abelin5568

3 жыл бұрын

This is the aspect that should not be ignored. While Moore assessed Lee, Lee also assessed Moore. The psychology applied here is undeniable

He turned sitting in the back of the bus ( únbelievable) into something positive for himself....now THATS a person with a winning mentallity

I been telling people this for years my uncle was there to witness it and woukd tell me this story all time its great to finally see proof of it

Great story. There’s a lesson here, and that is there’s always someone who just might be a little faster, quicker, knowledgeable, smarter, better, etc. Stay humble.

@RealRivalDieHard

2 жыл бұрын

True that uncle..humble is the way

Thanks for posting this - I'm a lifelong Bruce Lee fan, but I'd never heard this side of the story before.

They respect eachother and thats true art

Vic Moore should be recognized for his gift.

I like how Vic Moore shared how he learned to read an opponent's telegraphed movements. I'm going to start watching people to see if I can predict if they'll next turn/walk left or right. Just learned something here. Thank You!

@robertokennedy5770

3 жыл бұрын

Lol they will be too busy looking on their phones.

@duprez2

3 жыл бұрын

That's exactly how Ken Norton was able to beat Ali.

@Rhaspun

3 жыл бұрын

It's like poker players. They're looking for the subtle tells that may give away an opponents bluff.

Does anyone actually SEE what is happening during the replay's? I've only been active in MA Training since 1976, but I can see what is going on here. Should I explain, or would all of you like to figure it out for yourselves? IT'S like this: During the replay of each repetition of the strike, regardless whether it was directed / intended to go to the head or the chest, FALLS impressively short of the target. It's that simple. IF you Look (Carefully), You will See. IF you Seek (Ernestly), You will Find. I've see this demo series of videos over the last 50 years and come to several conclusions. The pertinent conclusion here is that the Hype of the event affected Vic more than he expected and more than was necessary. Even with a shuffle / slide step, making up four steps (as stated in the vid) in one movement is somewhat difficult; The fact is (noted by the video evidence), none of Bruces back-fist strikes were intended to "hit" a target - it was just for show, a show of one individuals speed in "Action" mode vs. another individuals speed in the "Reaction" mode. This is an age-old question: Which is faster, Action or Reaction? The main point is that Bruce only comes to within an inch or two, twice. This is when Vic "touched" Bruces hand as it was within the space to "touch and defend." All the rest of the repetitions of Bruces back-fist strikes are concluding their motion outside of TWO (2) FEET away from Vic's head. Vic Moore was a really good champion Karate Fighter, I wonder if James Williams and he fought in the day? Bruce Lee was a natural Martial Artist (just like Vic) who decided to try to make money performing in movies. It is a good story none the less and both were very good Artists.

@donoberloh

2 жыл бұрын

I caught that one too. Bruce’s strikes are pulled way before even coming close to Vics face. He also was not Four “steps “back unless they are baby steps. His so called 1-inch punch also starts over a hands length away. Push someone and they they fall back. Hit someone properly they should crumble up or collapse. Reaction is always a step behind the attack. It can’t help it because to react is to not do anything until the attack is already half way to the target. Try dropping a dollar bill straight down through someone’s open thumb and point finger, and ask them to grab the dollar before it goes through their fingers. If the bill is straight and flat they always fail to grasp it unless they anticipate the drop, which negates the experiment.

@shihanUKS

2 жыл бұрын

This valid articulation should be full of replies but it doesn't fit the mythology people were wired to believe. There is A LOT of context surrounding this event that happened the night before that shaped Vic's perception, the outcome, and later everyone elses. It wasn't even Vic's idea to go up there. Vic visited our school and my instructor's home many times. Both of them were USKA and my instructor was present at this event. The fly on the wall heard it all.

@MrRickyw01

2 жыл бұрын

I saw the same thing. The 'strike' was not a strike! Showmanship is a talent. Bruce Lee had it. MMA today is about as real as it can get. To deliver a power strike requires a different muscle group and body positioning. I remember the boxing media commentary on Cassius Clay 'phantom' knockout punch of Sonny Liston. I saw the punch. Then reviewed the video in slow motion. At the time Clay(Ali) was in his prime. He was super fast. The punch caused Liston's forehead skin to ripple from the punch. The knockout occurred because Liston's brain bounced very fast within his skull, a newtonian force=mass times acceleration situation. As Ali aged, speed decreased, hence fewer knockouts. But, as we know today, boxing is not the same as 'fighting'. Your analysis is dead on.

@askfrank9853

2 жыл бұрын

This is the question? Was Bruce's speed punching powerful enough to knock out his opponent? I don't think so. Well obviously it would depend on who his opponent is. But in general I don't think compared to today's MMA fighters that Bruce would rank under the first 5.

This shit is deep!!! I'd love to see more stories like this. So much commentary on human nature. Watching the people on the bus

"I used to train under Bruce Lee"... "He was on the second floor and I was on the first!" 😂

@maskface6144

3 жыл бұрын

AKA dragonflyjonez

@yausonb

3 жыл бұрын

Me too in the slums of shaolin

@ronnieneloms6227

3 жыл бұрын

Im done 😂🤣😂😂

@paulkainer269

3 жыл бұрын

Lol cute

@AmountboyJB

3 жыл бұрын

Wit your obedient servant KENJIIIIII!!!

Respect to Vic, seems like a smart guy and a real legend !

@morganchetty7593

2 жыл бұрын

True.

Master Vic Moore was a true professional and a proved badass. End of Story!

Thanks Bruce; for everything you did for everything inspiring me to do everything. ! thanks l.quay.!

This give it more perspective. Respect to both martial artist. The main clipsv that's been shown for years is what folks kept using as references. Thanks for the extra angles and different footage. Overall i believe Vic was genuinely just telling his side of the expedition They need to start putting this in the movies.

Lesson of this story: Nothing beats real life experience.

Vic Moore was a true martial artist. I loved watching him in the karate circuits.

Bruce Lee said that there were other people who were faster than him. He said that he is more deceptive with his moves.

Very very impressive! I've never seen this footage before, but proof that Sifu Bruce Lee was a man, not perfect, not a God. Maybe the best in his time with physical feats, legendary and unbeatable to this day and changing the concept of martial arts, how it was know. Finally, add and recognize the extraordinary and also mythical, the performance of sensei Vic Moore.

Always intrigued by Bruce Lee he was truly "The Man" ❤️ Martial Arts grew up on this

@canadapapers

2 жыл бұрын

So true

I wouldn't mess with either one of them. Great story!

Congratulations Moore!👏👏👏

Vic was a legend🏆💪❤️

I am glad Master Vic Moore is getting his due respect. And the truth is finally coming out. But Why did it take over 50 years. And many known people came out and ridiculed then Mr Vic. MOORE. Bruce Lee studied philosophy in college. He wrote books based on his studies and growing insights. But don't fool yourself. He was not the baddest man on earth. There is always so much to learn be humble and great and grow.

@MartialMadness

3 жыл бұрын

It did not take over 50 years. This was the story since the day it happened. Lee's promoters edited the video to control the narrative that Lee was better than these worldwide champions. Moore's interview is pretty clear on these events. He was interviewed for a book by Black Belt Magazine in 1993 so this info is credible not just by Moore who IT HAPPENED TO but others who were there as well.

@georgespogacich3066

3 жыл бұрын

Bruce had the power of the media on his side, and they control speech, and what you are allowed to see.

@MartialMadness

3 жыл бұрын

The media in this case being those who produced and edited the Bruce Lee documentaries. Even after the footage was found of Moore and his interviews, they never interviewed him or people like him who influenced Lee and trained with him. Only his movie acting counterparts. Inosanto and Kimura interviews over the decades seemed honest and interesting but always edited to support the same narrative like you say.

@jameswilkerson1424

2 жыл бұрын

I am not meaning to sound rude by this statement but people of my age were raised with 3 local television stations and 2 local newspapers. If we wanted to follow a sport we had to subscribe to a magazine and only get what information they had to print each month. It wasn't suppression, but lack of 300 television stations and unlimited access to the internet that kept this information "hidden " from us.

Ppl called him an actor even tho he was training since he was a little kid? Cmon

@MartialMadness

2 жыл бұрын

According to Bruce Lee himself, Bruce Lee did not train Martial Arts since a little kid. He acted at a young age. And took up martial arts for a couple of years in his late teens before going to America.

Hearing Master Vic’s story on how he learned to read and anticipate people’s movements I absolutely believe it. Staying quiet n calm n just watching n feeling. I believe Floyd Mayweather developed this anticipation as well, watching his dad, uncle n other fighters growing up. So much has not been learned in the world of fighting.

The problem with Bruce Lee's punching demonstrations is that the other person's hands are down to their sides and are expected to bring up their hands in time to block Bruce Lee's punches which is almost impossible even if the person throwing the punches is much slower than Bruce. Plus nobody fights that way. What would have been real is that the person is already in a fighting stance and moving as in a fight and Bruce Lee trying to touch that person's chest or head before that person can block it or move out of the punch's way. This would have been refective of real fights and how fast Bruce really was.

@MartialMadness

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. You can see @ 2:48 and 4:31 Vic Moore starts to get in a fighting stance and Bruce instructs him to stand back and not to move.

@TheCjbowman

2 жыл бұрын

He's coming from a meter away to a spot you know beforehand. How could a trained fighter NOT block it? Stupid, tbh. No question Bruce was fast, but elite fighters are all fast.

@meatbag2405

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCjbowman he was literally told to block a strike that was coming for his stomach so he blocked low.. and Bruce swung for the head.. so yeah he knew a strike was coming but not where he was told it was coming.. Did you actually watch the video? Vic literally does block the first chest punch.. how do you explain that?

@sinclairj7492

2 жыл бұрын

@@meatbag2405 You have no idea what Vic was told, you’re just taking his word for it

@MartialMadness

2 жыл бұрын

@Sinclair J. You have no idea how good Bruce Lee was you just take OTHER people's word for it. @Meat Bag 👏 you are actually referencing the Footage that was removed from publication. Everything you wrote in the comment is seen in the footage and is exactly what Moore testified since it happened.

Doesn't matter who's gonna win...but they both deserve respect+

thank you for this, this is the most complete i has ever seen in all these year. Subscribed.

Daaaaaamn!!! I see you Vic!!!

Bruce lee was the reason i got into martial arts, He was amazing at his art form but i will never ever say he was unbeatable. That is the reality, he was human. Bruce was and still is the biggest inspiration to most martial artists around the world and i can comfortably accept he was one of the best, but i can never say he was the best. That's from a 42 year old bruce lee fanatic fan

Wow!!!!! Thanks for sharing. I didn't even know who Vic Moore was before I watched this video.

Just for context, most of these demonstrations were done at karate tournaments. The punch was clearly short of his face, but that was very typical of moves that would have received a point in those karate tournaments. He was not trying to discredit Moore or any of the top competitors, but he was expressing contempt for karate tournaments and how far removed they were from actual combat.

@meatbag2405

2 жыл бұрын

No he wasnt how did you come up with that nonsense? He was marketing his movies.. Bruce didnt care about anything other than getting paid and looking good.. this is evident by the amount of set crew who always said Bruce lee was arrogant cocky, and always bullying the weakest untrained people he could find on set...

Never take your eyes off your opponent vic

@mrlee7328

2 жыл бұрын

...even when you bow lol

The times I’ve seen this demonstration, it only shows the last part where Bruce Lee sneaks in the head shot. It looks like Moore is being embarrassed by Lee. Thanks for showing us the rest of it to see who was actually embarrassed.

Now, the bit where Vic played the tell game while on the bus was pretty nice, he done to not only past time but, to keep himself busy.

Wow this is amazing. I don't think I can find all this cool stuff on TV. So Bruce, hands down is lightning fast, but Vic Moore grew up reading body language. Unbelievable, he was just as fast. That surely must have earned some respect from Bruce himself. At the same time it doesn't lessen my thoughts on Bruce Lee. Vic narrating the whole video makes it even better. No bias, no padding, no whatever. Just whatever happened on that day.

We'll he trained himself to read body language and that's a skill people don't consider.

Even if Bruce was not a fighter, his spirit contributed to making each of us fighters there was his strength.😇

@lordoffaiyum9727

Жыл бұрын

I never had 1 pro fight. I am a fighter. In what generation did we start saying trained fighters who have fought in the streets can't fight because they were not pro. UFC guys would not go to Prison and be toughest guy in there. Wake up. They would never walk the inner cities and be the most lethal or experienced fighters out there. This is a fact. Bruce trained with all these guys cause he was average? no obviously not.

@bjrnthebootybandit

Жыл бұрын

@Lord Of Faiyum if you haven't fought you are not a fighter. You probably just train concept. That's why MMA fighters destroy most Chinese martial artists and it is highly likely a trained MMA fighter of decent level would wax a prisoner

Great footage, both fast!!..

Vic Moore was a true legend. As a black man- It makes me proud to learn of him.

He was trying to grab Lee’s hand as he punched ! 😝🤣

Amazing and excellent footage. So happy to see this little bit of history. By he was fast

Bruce Lee said that competitions were like "swimming on land". He was training for real life situations, and he said his film moves were more flashy than how he would fight for real. It just does not matter than he never fought in competitions!

@MartialMadness

3 жыл бұрын

"If I was a swimmer I'd swim, if I was a track runner I'd run. If I'm a fighter I fight. And you gotta fight, that's the only way. It's like learning how to swim. You can know everything about it. But you HAVE to get out there in the water. The same thing with fighting. You can punch the bag and do your katas. But you gotta get out there and you've got to fight." - Ron Marchini Professional Martial Arts Instructor, Competitor and Referee.

@2627rock

3 жыл бұрын

I train in my garage hitting the bag it doesn’t mean I’m the greatest fighter ever. Where are all these people he supposedly beat up?

@peterpereira3653

3 жыл бұрын

Bruce Lee was nowhere near the standard of the best world class fighters.Yes he had speed but that doesn’t make you a world class fighter one has to be much more.Why people think Bruce Lee was better than these world class fighters who are doing this week in week out year after year doesn’t even make logical sense.A big difference fighting world class level, some street tough who has a few good moves and is strong.Those kinds of street tough guys aren’t beating no world class proven fighter not with a few good moves and being strong.Maybe because Bruce Lee died young and unexpectedly has made him into this also mythical figure over the years.Could Bruce Lee fight probably fairly well, but could he fight consistently at world class level and actually win consistently I very much doubt that.The real fighters fight the ones who cannot do so as well teach. And Bruce Lee is definitely in that teacher category for me.

@aong-artsaengpong3683

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterpereira3653 I don't believe in super actor but l believe in real champion fighters.

@taison5166

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartialMadness May the Most High God bless you for posting those words of wisdom! MANY people do not understand this simple way of thinking. Touché, Martial Madness...touché! Again, may the Most High God bless you!

I love this piece of History

@bestintheworld8641

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!

I forgot I knew this story by Vic, and I was expecting that hyped up Bruce Lee kind of story, where Bruce would get slightly airborne with a bit of a raised knee to fake a kick, and then perfectly tag with a punch. Then as I watched it I thought he'd recognize what Vic was doing, and telegraph the opposite way. It's always good to get a whole bunch of perspectives, anyway, to realize the man was human too. Also when I've seen this in the past it was always the last two strikes, as others have said, and also told with the story that Bruce Lee was grabbing something out of Vic's open hand. Thank you for the video!

Bruce Lee is one of my heroes. He is the reason I got into martial arts. Fanboys get disproportionately offended whenever anyone says anything even remotely opposed to the notion that Bruce Lee is anything other than the Achilles of his generation. But at some point, you have to wipe the doe from your eyes and grow up. Just like Miyamoto Musashi only fought on a Sengoku battlefield ONCE in his life, on the side that lost, and chose all his duels carefully, employing trickery and manipulation in the most well known one, Bruce was a showman, who had significant skill that was rarely properly tested due to careful curation. He was more a scholar than a warrior.

Thanks for breaking this down.

I believe it,you can see Bruce was embarrassed.but that back hand wasn’t no way near the guys face.

@morganchetty7593

2 жыл бұрын

You right about it. Vic is quick n fast as seen on the inset.

I love full picture history!

Absolutely amazing.

What a great story.

I think this video made clear that even tho Bruce is a very strong fighter, Vic Moore shouldn’t be underestimated

No one is unbeatable.

Bruce Lee was not the only legend of his time.

Vic Moore was.a great.champion glad to hear about him

Now THAT is a fantastic story. I love the background too. Sad but sometimes the horrible things in our lives give us superpowers. You get beaten by your father but come high school no opponent can scare you. I’m not rooting for evil people or saying that’s good. More that even the negative experiences in our lives can be twisted to positive effect in the right circumstances. Great story. Thank you for sharing it!!

Any honest person can see the last quick punch was way short. Bruce did this to make it look like he was unblocked. It was at the head, and it was not close enough to land, it was 12 inches away.

@alfredabbey6162

2 жыл бұрын

I saw that too, thought it was just my perception.

@mauricecatayan3406

2 жыл бұрын

Silly of me to think Bruce kept a good distance away so he could strike at full speed without worrying about accidently hitting his partner. He'd have had to pull his punches had he set up closer to his partner.

@meatbag2405

2 жыл бұрын

@@mauricecatayan3406 did you even watch the video? Fk me youre blind.. he threw closer punches before those and vic easilly blocked them.. so bruce had to try make himself look good... Have a good look at the showboating lee does where after the strike he closes the gap with his face and looks vic in the eyes with such arrogance, the man was a phony

Bruce Lee was actually learning from everyone. Years later he was faster.

@pereirakelvin67

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed with you. But master Moore read body movements that's extraordinary. Preemptive. Wish i could learn this move.

@rm6684

4 жыл бұрын

Vic could have been better later too...the point is that Vic wasn't lieing and that he was quick enough to block Brice Lee...that was plain as day

Wow. This revelation of one champ's experience with Bruce and with the real vid in the background is really amazing. This one's rare. I find it as a "collectible". Looking forward to see more. Godspeed.

When I learned this it made me sad, but I’m still glad Bruce lee popularized martial arts in the US.

@Whitebeardtheking9

2 жыл бұрын

Don't let it get you down. Bruce Lee wasn't a God, he was a man. He had his share of wins and losses. I think most people look at a guy like Bruce Lee and make the mistake of assuming he can do no wrong which of course is nonsense. And make no mistake while I tell you all this I thought the same until I saw this video way back when.

@jamesgibson3722

2 жыл бұрын

@@Whitebeardtheking9 Bruce Lee is a Phony!!!! He shouldn't never been Idolize as some type of True Fighter👉🏿because he has ZERO CAREER FIGHTS!!! The White Man uses Television to "Brainwash" us! Bruce Lee & The Movie Character ROCKY=🗣COUNTERFEIT FIGHTERS!!!! SHOW THOSE TRUE FIGHTERS!!!!!! SHOW THOSE "REAL BLACK WARRIORS" 🗣"REAL LIFE EVENTS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I took Karate when I was about 11(back in ‘95, fuck, I got old!). I always remember Sensei Alan’s words, “Always look your opponent dead in the eye, the eyes are more deceiving than throwing feints or fake shots. Your opponent will tell what he’s doing through his eyes, not his fists or feetwork.” True lesson that! Thanks Alan.

@rileybelden2303

3 жыл бұрын

guy sensei would respectfully disagree

@Shellboy11

3 жыл бұрын

Kamagowa?

@suffolk6311

3 жыл бұрын

Tyson said he always look at the upper body shoulder to shoulder. The muscles on the upper body always contract right before the strike.

Vic Moore is a bad ass too 😍 Still love ❤ Bruce Lee forever!!!

I remember Bruce doing an interview and the interviewer asked him can you break 5 boards with your hands and foot Bruce replied no, I will break my hands and foot so he was a man who was upfront and real and also human 💯

WoW great video! Thank you so much. Much respect Grandmaster Vic Moore, you are the Man!!

Wow ive never heard this side of story.

Everything you need is right in front of you. I'm thankful I've found this video and now comes the research into the person

Vic was a vicious fighter back then. Im so glad i finally saw the different angles that prove vic wasnt lying about blocking bruces punch. Heres what i see from this. Bruce outsmarted the grandmaster, constantly saying im going to hit your chest and you wont touch it. When he blocked all of those bruce went for the head. Thats all it takes is psychology and distraction for a knockout. I think bruce made his point that day, he was a streetfighter at heart with lightning speed and power behind the punch.

I have looking for this video for years. Well done.

Love the content.

That was so cool. I remember when all those guys were competing. Then Chuck Norris also becomes a famous actor. Good film clip, show more of them.

They looked like having fun

Bruce was a little embarrassed after that first block. Phenomenal. Thank you for sharing.

I love how racism only made Vic more capable. Love it.

In San Diego, I think I remember Vic getting dissed by a referee, when fighting against Joe Lewis. Then Joe got verbal.. and Vic picked up a folding chair and whacked Mr. Lewis. Hahahaha. Nice memories Mr Moore. I also remember fighting a young Puerto Rican who had a bizarre style..like mine. i was going into the finals and he was between me, and Mr Norris. He [surprisingly] kicked my tail. I was stunned but it happened. His name was Louis Delgado. Nice fellow outside the ring. Not sure whatever happened to him.

Wow! Such great footage and narration by a real athlete. Great story.

This was not the first time someone block Bruce Lee's punch. In the book STRIKING DISTANCE by Charles Russo, Bruce Lee challenged anyone from the audience to block his punch. Someone from one of the Kung fu schools took up the challenge and blocked Bruce Lee's punch. Since this demonstration was going awry, Bruce Lee said if anyone wanted to know more about Wing Chun, contact his school. This led to the famous Bruce Lee, Wong Jack Man fight of 1965.

People of martial artist,then was not able to fight bruce lee,because they know the ability of the man,and to protect also of their school,and the job of bruce lee was to teach all master of martial artist all over the world to expand their abilities on teaching their students.

@Quach7

2 жыл бұрын

Bruce Lee was an actor. He was born an actor. Nobody was able to fight Sylvester Stallone either, or Jet Li, or Van Dam, etc . . .

Wow I learned something today .

@tevans5144

2 жыл бұрын

ARKENSETH: I've learned several things just from this including that technology is taking away our time to learn to use our natural senses to do things like reading a person in the way Vic did that's how he was able to block Bruce in the 1st place. Bruce was great, but Vic had the knowledge to predict a person's movement which helped him in competition's.

Love it! Thank you for posting.

Like this video. Thnx for sharing.

That Black speed...

Great video thanks for sharing ❤️

The video footage & interview was (still is) a great find. Thx for sharing, I'll continue to treasure this one.

The sad thing is I have never heard of victor Moore. This is probably because of him being an African American martial artist in the 70s he blocked Bruce lee. That’s impressive.

Bless u for this video!💪✊👑😇 rest eazy bruce

A true legend and a big Oss!

Bruce Lee was good but so are a LOT of other martial artist

@kingjaven13

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly🙏🏾

First before I make my comment, much respect GM Vic Moore, you are a true martial arts. When he backhanded towards your face, it was a mile away, lol you don't even have to block it, there is no danger. You block all his punches at chest level and prove to be quicker than Bruce.

Nice video, thanks :)

Wow this story was deep

Huh! Learn something new everyday! Great original content post.

That was so cool!

I love your channel. Subbed