Constantly impressed with your content, Ryan. My woodworking evolution has dramatically increased because of you.

Nice! Seems worth trying. Thanks for sharing!

I am so glad that you did this video . I don't have the money to buy all the stones to sharpen my plane blades. So i use sandpaper . Thank you so much for sharing.

Nice set up on The tempered glass one great tip was using the angle gauge for the table saw to find the proper angle for the plane iron AWESOME idea 💡 I couldn't believe what a simple way to setup for sharpening. Thank You for the information.

This is great! Definitely keep us updated on how long it lasts. 🤓👍🏼

Using the angle block is a great idea. I enjoyed the video

Great idea! Keep us posted on longevity.

Please keep us updated as to how well this works over the long haul. Great video, as always!!

That's a GREAT system Ryan, I think I will give it a try. I don't want to spend $200 or $300 for a sharpening system. Even at $1.50/strip it will take quite a while to break even versus the more expensive system. AND by then, it will time to replace the diamond grit. It looks like yours works fine and really is NOT any more expensive in the long run. Good job!!!

thanks for this, been trying to decide which way to go with sharpening lately...good food for thought!

Thanks, I just got a set of Narex chisels for Xmas and have not yet set up a sharpening system for them. I will at least try your way 1st. Very timely video!

I hadn't heard of diamond stones wearing out.. was thinking about going to those next. Definitely second guessing that now. Look forward to your follow up!

@n8guy

7 жыл бұрын

Same - excellent tip!

@MurraydeLues

7 жыл бұрын

Diamond stones get real grumpy if you don't use lotsa water as a lubricant. It is almost worth making a tray they can sit so they are submerged while in use.

@YouCanMakeThisToo

7 жыл бұрын

Murray de Lues that makes sense. Thanks!

Brilliant move using the digital angle gauge with the honing guide!

Nice demo of a tried and true system.

Nice I like that, I have been trying a similar thing using a tile. Also good for restoring planes and getting the bottoms flat.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

yes, I consider a tile as well, But found this glass so decided to use that:)

Loved the use of the digital angle finder, wish I’d thought of that, I’ve been using a protractor.

I've used the sandpaper system for years and love it. Going to 3000 grit has always been sufficient for me followed up with some Flexcut compound on a strop. If you don't follow Paul Sellers, he uses window cleaner instead of water. Works great and smells nice.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that seems to be a common comment I've been getting, i'll have to try that.

The main thing I liked was the honing guide :D Never seen one like hat before! Looks like it'll be fairly easy to build from wood, too :)

Thanks for the share! Been needing to sharpen a few dull knives and chisels and haven't wanted to fork up the cash for the expensive stones. I'm sure this will be a cheap solution in the meantime

Klasse Anleitung ! Und eine Super Idee :-)))

ur a savage bro. even ur most simple video is intense. keep it up

I might try this as I hate having to flatten my stones.

Useful information.

I started using the same system a couple years ago and have only gone through 4 sheets of each grit. I have a set that I use only with water as a lube (chisels and marking tools) and another set with mineral oil as the lube (plane irons). The min oil set lasts a bit longer.

I've been using scary sharp for a long time. I've always just bought the higher grits from Walmart... auto painting sandpaper. I've always thought it gives very good results for the price.

nice. looking fwd to seeing how this holds up over time. Small tip - rince the blade before going to the next grit, otherwise you will contaminate then next finer grit with more coarse material that came off the paper from the previous grit. Over time, your 4000 may become more like 3000 because of the added coarser grit you are adding to it.

Great stuff. Definitely gonna make a setup like this.

thank you, a very useful video, and congrats on the channel growth

Keep us up to date on how long this system lasts. Many of us are on a budget and this would be an excellent system if its worth the money in the long run.

Well now you've got me thinking about switching... damn!

This seems like a pretty good system. I believe your water stone could be re-flattened if you want to use it occasionally. You would need a lapping plate or a flattening stone though and those can be pricey.

The mirror finish is crazy

Using a digital angle gauge to set the blade in the jig: Genius Level XXIIV!

And the big advantage is that you don't have to worry about the flatness of your glass, versus a natural stone. Some other things to try: get a piece of scap granite from a stone cutters shop (a leftover from making counter tops), it will be a little more durable than glass. Use a pull stroke when sharpening, to avoid scratching or cutting into your sand paper. And use a light pressure so that the abrasive sheet doesn't "creep" or bunch up.

I'd love to see a follow up after you have been using it for a few months!

great video, I'll be doing this for sure. thanks!

This method is way cheaper and I will definitely give it a go. thanks Ryan

That mirror polish is amazing. Have you considered sticking with coarse sandpaper grits for rehabbing to save wear on the diamond/water stones?

This is great! I need to get something decent!

This is more inline with my budget. When are we gonna see a ShopBuilt honing guide out of wood? Great video as usual.

Love the polished finish. Sexy iron

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

thanks!

Try plate glass over tempered glass as tempered glass can have "waves" in it from the tempering. Great content keep it up.

I love the scary stuff that said I can never that really find stuff, I'll try lee valley.

The tempering process distorts the glass. You will get better results with a piece of float glass.

Ryan, you can get the same result with a strip of MDF and some car polish. You have to pull the blade rather than push it. I'm on my 2nd strip of 12mm MDF (half inch thick) in two years and it's still going strong. Much cheaper than sandpaper and you can make it any width you want. You will have to use another system to get your chisel / blade close to sharp before using the mdf though. 600 grit sandpaper would be enough.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! i'm going have to try that, A few people have mentioned it.

I think it's a great idea. Thks

I need a roller like that for making blades

Scary sharp is good! Works really well. Just watch out only to pull the blade, don't push it as you might on a stone, or you will soon cut a hole in the expensive film. If used with care, the sheets can last a long time. Not cheaper than regular stones though.

Good places to grab inexpensive good flat glass if you're looking is tile suppliers and quite often the stores that sell odds and ends building supplies. Scarey Sharp float glass isn't that expensive either. As far as paper I like klingspore or taytool

Thanks for sharing

cool concept, and great video. it would be interesting if you revisit this in awhile Ryan

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks, i well try to revisit this one.

That's great! How many strokes to each grit? Looks like they don't need much... Given that were probably not super dull... right?

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+Giaco Whatever so the iron would have been sharpened to 4000grit and back also honed to 4000 about 3 of 4 months ago (only occasional use since then). Because I didn't have an exact 30 degree Bevel it took probably 50 strokes on the 600 grits to get the burr and then Roughly 10 strokes on each grit after.

very useful mate. I've been thinking of trying this for a while. you reckon the double sided tape is flat enough to sharpen without leaving ripples in the final edge? thanks for sharing, enjoyed that.

Do you just use water as a lubricant? I have a piece marble counter top which is perfectly flat and just about the same size ! Think I'll give this a try , thanks for posting and keep up the good work👍

I use the sandpaper system also. Cheap and easily disposable. At least my mind thinks so therefore I don't feel like I'm throwing anything good away when I'm done with a strip - haha. I'm trying to figure out the best way to attach the nonstick sandpaper to my glass? You used carpet tape and sometimes use spray adhesive, but don't they give you a slightly less than flat surface even though they are on glass?

I'll be curious to hear how its holding up in a few months. I think it will surprise us all.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

me too;)

very cool

I switched to that same system so that I wouldn't have to worry about keeping my stones flat and cared for. If you don't care for your stones you can work a hollow into them and then you have to flatten the stone. I'm also lazy and the sandpaper is much easier to setup I feel.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, certainly a nice advantage to not have to flatten stones:)

I suspect that this would be preferable on many counts. Not having to flatten water stones for a start.

I use the same method but, instead of the Leigh Valley papers, I have a couple of pieces of leather with 6 & 4 micron aluminum oxide paste for stropping. SUPER cheap and doesn't waste the paper.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

I must try that, a few people have mentioned it.

@VKMilling

7 жыл бұрын

It works damned well. Learned it from Paul Sellers.

It depends a bit on how often you sharpen, of course, but in the long run this type of system tends to be quite a bit more expensive. It just has lower up-front costs.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+Jonathon Jongsma yes your probably right but I'm curious on how long is long Because if it saves the big initial cost (especially if you buy 3 or 4 grits) than it would still be worth it to me. I should mention I don't sharpen that often as you probably guessed with my type of woodworking.

@jaychet

7 жыл бұрын

Jonathon Jongsma could you not constantly touch up your edges on a leather strop as u work? After the initial good edge, a few quick passes on the strop should maintain a great edge and prevent burning through the expensive sandpipers, no? This is meant as a question, not a statement. :) looking for a good sharpening system myself at the moment

@PowderhornWild

7 жыл бұрын

Shop built yeah, I'm curious how long they'll last as well. it's possible that for people that primarily use power tools and don't sharpen a lot it may not be excessively expensive. Since I mostly use hand tools and sharpen something pretty much every time I'm in the shop, I think it would get expensive very quickly.

@PowderhornWild

7 жыл бұрын

Jay Cheetham a strop would certainly help and would help extend the life of the abrasive paper. For someone that is mostly using power tools, that might be good enough to make this style of system more economical. But you should use a strop regardless of which sharpening system you choose ;)

@PowderhornWild

7 жыл бұрын

Jay Cheetham a strop would certainly help and would help extend the life of the abrasive paper. For someone that is mostly using power tools, that might be good enough to make this style of system more economical. But you should use a strop regardless of which sharpening system you choose ;)

Have you ever used a leather strop? I've been meaning to make one for awhile now...

You could save a little money by using polish compound and a piece of leather instead of 4000 and 8000.

@gall_crafter_works

5 жыл бұрын

Turtle wax rubbing compound on leather works great

Nice!!

Ryan how is the new sharpening system holding up? It's almost a year now.

you can get 4000 grit sandpaper too, a fair bit cheaper than that, also you didn't have 8000 until now, so do you even need it ? i don't think so, also as a last step a strop would be best as a lot of other people recommended

I dropped my water stone b4 and cracked it I just filed it down took a 2 inch loss but it still works.👍 dang ryan!- you must do a lot of sharpening for them to be dead already⚰.. you should buy a water stone flatning Stone? theyre like 25$ thatll fix that problem really quick. ive never used a diamond I was always told her no what if they don't last and you seem to prove that theory that my friends have told me about

@lylekobberstad8571

7 жыл бұрын

Joe basementwoodworking damn you autocorrect! You dropped your phone and cracked it? Lol I just replaced my screen and was off and running again. ;-)

@tooljunkie555

7 жыл бұрын

Lyle Kobberstad yes I've dropped my phone which is probably why my comment came out the way it did LOL that should have said water stone yeah I have a real smartphone let me tell you haha

@tooljunkie555

7 жыл бұрын

Lyle Kobberstad my screen is still cracked I refuse to pay another hundred and fifty bucks to get it fixed LOL but I'm glad your phone is working LOL oh I fix my comment to that's what it should have said once again I have a really smart phone haha

Damn nice polish on that. Have you tried hitting it on a strop to see if it gets even better?

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

not yet, but i think i'll try it;)

I guess wider strips and you can do your Jointer Blades ?

For the sand paper I don't use any adhesive. If you just wet the glass and place the paper down surface tension will hold it in place. Give it a try.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

hmmm, thats good to know

Walmart has 2000, 4000 and 8000 Wet/Dry sandpaper in the automotive section. Can't recall the price but it is made by 3M. Maybe a cheaper option.

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

good to know:)

Go to your auto parts store for the higher grit paper. I have gotten 3000 grit paper among other grits.

that is scary sharp.

Nice video. Can you tell me more about that angle sharpening jig you were using? Is that good for all planer blades or is it specific to the No4?

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! i put a link in the description for the honing guide, its good for most plane irons and some chisels

So, now that it's been over 7 months, how have your sandpapers lasted, especially the 3M mylar stuff?

realy nice system, might have to try it sometime - where did you get the glass from?

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! its actually a shelf from an old fridge. its probably a little thin, something like 3/8" thick would be ideal.

@andrewcastille7781

7 жыл бұрын

JMakes I found mine in a dumpster at a local glass company. It is about 12inches by 18 inches and 1 inch thick. I also had them cut me a 3/8" one it is 18 inches by 48 inches. I use it for glue ups. I think they make glass showers and doors.

@jmakes3745

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for the replies! I'll have to have a look around me and see if i can find any glass - a glass company dumster is a good idea!

using regular wet dry sandpaper I have found that i use one strip of sandpaper similar to yours per chisel or iron.. taping them down like you did was way too messy to get off after it's all wet and gummy, I haven't tried spray adhesive, just using water and friction to hold the paper down makes the sides of the paper bulge up and I feel that it rounds over the sides of the chisels, So I don't like the sandpaper route.. After using diamond stones, it's hard to conform to anything else, because it's just so fast and easy and perfectly flat.. No need to dress them.. Just a squirt of soapy water and go..

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+Bjørnar Haugen probably depends on the original condition of your chisels but I have already touched up all me chisels and both plane irons and seems to be lots of life left. I think if your starting with a really rough blade or even a blade that hasenst been honed before, it will probably wear the sand paper quickly but for just putting a new edge on, they will last a while. I also really like the diamond stones but they are pricey and don't last forever either. Water stones on the other hand I find annoying.

@Fiskekakemannen

7 жыл бұрын

+Shop built Yes, that was setting up new chisels. :) I have one of the same Diamond stones you have in this video too, the yellow one and I was disappointed with how long it lasted too, a few years and it feels very reduced, but the same company makes another type of sharpening stone with a continuous surface and so far mine has lasted a bit over 2 years and it still cuts well.. They are a little bit cheaper than the yellow ones too, I think

@johndavidson2365

7 жыл бұрын

Bjørnar Haugen Also depends on the quality of the sandpaper you use, crap in crap out, so to speak

@intjonmiller

7 жыл бұрын

I've never had a problem with just using a very lightweight oil to hold the paper to the glass. Great for sharpening plane irons and chisels, lapping metal parts, and more. :)

So are you still using this system after one year? Has it worked good?

Btw, the thumbnail, I can see now a plane blade on it but at first it seemed to me like a phone! It must the the square shape with reflections, seemed like glass/touch screen. Ahah, so I clicked on your video because it is you and not because of the thumbnail :)

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

yeah, I wasn't happy with the thumbnail either, got a new one up now;)

Bummer about the waterstone. you can flatten the water stone by rubbing it on your diamond plate.. turn it around so the crack is closest to you and your irons wont catch.. Regarding your diamond plate, It looks like the DMT, you can clean these up quite easily with some soapy water and a nylon brush. I have had one for a couple years now and it cuts now as it did day 1. You only need light pressure with these to be effective. Just my observations, I spent a year and lots of money looking for a system that works for me, paper is more expensive in the long run, sheets tear no matter how careful you are. I ended up with that diamond plate and diamond paste(40 to 0.5 micron, set of tubes costs like $4 to $12 on ebay), this is my opinion, just hoping to add to your confusion on sharpening.. love your videos and projects, cheers from Australia

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! yeah this is just something i wanted to try. I'll give it ago for a couple of months and decide from there what I want to do. I don't really sharpen the blades that often so this my last a while.

Nice video. Just wondering what you put in the bottle? Straight water?

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

yup, just water. A little light oil would work well too

Where did you get the gizmo to set the angle & support the blade at the right angle? FYI - harbor freight has a pack of 10 wet-dry silion carbide sandpaper (assorted from 220 to 1200) for like $4 and knife-making supply houses have wet-dry sandpaper up to at least 2000 grit.

@RealRuler2112

7 жыл бұрын

Just checked - texas knifemaker supply has what appears to be the same super-fine grit sheets as you have here for a buck fifty each. =)

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

i added the link for the honing guide in the description

@RealRuler2112

7 жыл бұрын

Shop built Thanks. =)

Love the video sir. The only thing I wish you would of mentioned is use "tempered" glass. For safety reasons I think it's important.

@TheMrchuck2000

4 жыл бұрын

Tempered glass is not very flat (learned this the hard way). Regular float glass is much flatter. A thick piece, 3/8” or more. Just be careful with it.

cool

Any update on how the sandpaper setup worked out?

You’ll spend a fortune in lapping paper if you push the blade fowards as it will start acting like a plane and plane the paper off the glass. Backward strokes work just fine and increases the life of the paper

Why so many fine grits and all the oil?

I would rather drop a $4.50 piece of sandpaper than an $80 stone.

@nickyork8901

2 жыл бұрын

Only for the first 20 times you use the sheets, then you start to wonder if it was such a good idea. The main advantage of scary sharp is you can have a huge variety of grits and always very flat.

just curious, and i ask myself this question, why go to such a fine grit? i use the Paul Sellers method, DMT solid diamond stones, from 320ish to 600ish to 1200ish then strop, I can shave hair every time with the finished edge, but how long does that shaving edge last and is it worth it? if, like Mr. Sellers, you use 220 or 320 sandpaper right before adding the finish. He mentions that when he apprenticed they only used a dual stone that went up to 400ish. Am I, we, wasting money on really polishing the working edge (not the back)? I do admire a polished edge though, especially on my straight razors and kitchen knives as well as ww tools

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

hmmm not sure. I think up to 800 probably would get the job done just fine but I assume the sharper the better to avoid tear out and stuff....

@fredprater5012

7 жыл бұрын

Shop built I'm sure sharpness helps with that but I'm under the impression that a tighter mouth and higher angle reduce tearout better, hence cabinet and card scrapers

Hi there. What are you mounting the sand paper onto? Is it a glass or acrylic sheet?

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

glass.

Hey wats up shop built

Znakomity sposób, sam od wielu już lat używam 3M-owskiego TRIZACTU do ostrzenia noży strugów i dłut. Wprawdzie ostatnią granulacją jest A5 czyli ( tylko) P3000, wg mnie to jednak wystarcza. Nie robię lustra. Gdyby był dostępny w formie papieru z rolki TRIZACT o granulacji P6000 ( jest w tej chwili tylko w postaci krążków na rzep do Automotive) to chętnie bym konczył "lustrem". Zresztą tę technologię prezentował w ubiegłym roku już jeden z naszych vlogerów - L...... ( ale nie znany Wam wszystkim picer i pozer J.O.) Papier kleję do szkła widocznym na filmie klejem w aerozolu" 77 " - na dwie powierzchnie. Nie uzywam do tego celu błon klejowych lub b. cienkich taśm jak na tym filmie Te wykorzystane w filmie materiały mikrościerne 3M też jak widać znakomicie się spełniają. Gratulacje, świetna robota

So how long did it last?

How are you finding this system has held up long- to medium-term?

@Shopbuilt

6 жыл бұрын

Still using it but I no longer attach the sand paper to the glass as its to hard to get off. Now I just wet it and that seems to hold it enough so it wont move around.

You can buy a lot of $4 sheets before you hit $200. ;)

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

for sure;)

Isn't this stuff from amazon the same as the lee valley honing paper? www.amazon.com/Zona-37-948-Polishing-11-Inch-Assortment/dp/B001BHGC7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1515174086&sr=8-1&keywords=3m+micro+abrasive If so this is a very affordable system. Some wet/dry paper, this pack from amazon, a piece of tempered glass, and some spray adhesive.

At school they teach us that a plane blade needs to be slightly curved outwards, how would you suggest that you can sharpen a slight curve with this system?

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

+wdfwgagyfgagyga a slight curve is a personal preference thing but if you want one, you just can't use the honing guide and rock the the iron back and forth while honing by hand to remove more material on the edges.

@wdfwgagyfgagyga

7 жыл бұрын

ahh yes they teach us this method in school, i just wondered if you have a different one. Thank you anyway this is a great video!

@vinceking7878

7 жыл бұрын

wdfwgagyfgagyga What 'School' did you go to?

@PowderhornWild

7 жыл бұрын

Shop built you can do a camber with a honing guide too, just put extra pressure on one corner at a time

@wdfwgagyfgagyga

7 жыл бұрын

i am still at school haha, I live in the Netherlands. its a school that specializes in woodworking education. you can google it ''HMC Amsterdam'' its dutch so you probably wont understand it haha. We can choose what we want to specialize in in the second year. you can learn how to build boats, build furniture (what i hace chosen), restore old wooden buildings and even instruments if you like. its a realy known school in The Netherlands

Where did you get the guide for your blades? and is there a name and model for it?

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

Just added the link in the description:)

@bryanmurrell7737

7 жыл бұрын

sweet thanks.

This is a great video and I thank you for it, but whe using your own hairs to test the sharpness you obtained it's not that impresive, cuze we might end up talking in a different subject about hair thicknesses and how flexible they are, and so, even hair color matters if we want to be fair and square to the main idea heheh, but, the best way to test the sharpness of any blade, that would be just right after you finished polishing or stroping the blade, cut some pieces of newspaper, then some white bond paper and finally some magazine sheets and you'll see the real goal of it. If we put down the blade under a microscope you'll see that, in a very tiny molecular level, that very end or sharp tip becomes very weak and it's almost flexible like the hair in our head, when we start the sharpening process thru all of the grit grades, in the flat side of the blade it tends to shine like a mirror, but at the very edge it's a different story, we are actually "combing" the very last "fibers of metal" that's why there are several ways to achieve super sharpness or not, it will depend on the metal hardness, structure and composition, but skiping the metal info, what really happens whe using the plane is that the sharp edge tends to roll up or down and that's how it gets dull with usage, so it combs and rolls and becomes round to stop working into the wood and it gets stuck. And taht's why it's better to test the blade with paper so we can sense at that very tiny leve if the blade separates at the moment of the cut and doesn't get stuck. A clean cut on paper will even give us a clear sound of it, recognizible every time we using a new and sharped blade. Sorry for the love letter,but just saying hehe

@Shopbuilt

7 жыл бұрын

I've always found that even a dull bade will cut paper. shaving one the other hand tends to be tricker especially with just one swipe across the arm. Never the less I assure you its sharp, as sharp as i'll ever need it.