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@bobbg9041

7 ай бұрын

2:55 is the Woodriver brand a very good plane? I know its a woodcraft house brand, but as far as fit and finnish. Smoothness of opration Sole plates flatness and accuracy of its design over all as a budget brand. Or would you recommend somthing like Bridge River over the number 4.5 ? Or an older Stanley Oh completed questions but it gets down to the point. What gets the job done verses pride in your tools. What can the beginner wood worker buy to do the job as a hobby vers a labor of love and pride as a full time craftsman doing his art? The difference between a functioning table or a work of art.

@anthonypoole4933

7 ай бұрын

I would be interested in your opinion of a new Clifton 5 1/2? Any chance of a review? I like that is is made in Briton as I am from the UK

Hi Rob. A message should be ---don't be afraid of modifying tools to suit personal preferences. That heavy handled chisel - make a new handle. That out-of-square mortise chisel, get it re-ground square. Etc etc. No tool is sacred. If there is a sharp corner that annoys, grind it off. Enjoy the channel. Cheers!!

@surlycanadian

7 ай бұрын

Modifying tools is fine, but it’s not the topic of discussion of this video. This video is meant to be a warning to take into consideration BEFORE buying any of these tools in the first place. If you buy the right tool the first time, you don’t have to modify it at all. He’s not talking to anyone watching this video who already has one, some or all of these tools. He’s talking about balance, not weight. Because the neck of that chisel is so long, any handle throws it’s balance off in a close grip for paring like he was holding it. 14:02 While it’s not in this video, he does compare the Narex mortise chisel to a preferred brand in a different video and he does say that it could be grinded square, but it’s so much meat to remove that most people would overheat their chisels and ruin the tempering. For that reason, and because they’re made of softer steel, he does not recommend the Narex mortise chisels at all.

@johnspathonis1078

7 ай бұрын

Yes I understand where you are coming from. However, what is the option for those who already own those tools - throw them away or modify? The world is in trouble because of the throw away attitude that exists. Also surface grinding uses a coolant and the material is not overheated. @@surlycanadian

@beach3408

7 ай бұрын

I think it depends on what level of work one wants to accomplish. If I want to do rough general work, I would keep it and make do. If I want to do truly fine hand tool woodworking, I throw/give my inadequate tools away, and get the appropriate tools. Otherwise, I view it as a waste of time and energy. We all learn lessons. Hard lessons and easy lessons. I’ve purchased thousands in tools that I wish I spent differently. I learned along the way, in part, by watching those like Rob.

@surlycanadian

7 ай бұрын

@@johnspathonis1078 I said he’s not talking to people who already have the specific tools. This video is not for them. The topic isn’t “do you have these tools I hate?”. The topic is “if you’re thinking about buying these tools, don’t”. Since he’s not talking to people who already own these tools, modifying them is an irrelevant point to his actual target audience for this video; people who don’t have these specific tools. ‘Learn from my mistakes and don’t buy these” “I already have them” “Okay, you’re not the target audience for this topic then.” Go watch another video that is more relevant to your existing situation You have more options than just throwing them away or modifying them. You could sell them or give them away to a starting woodworker.

@giovannizunino6046

7 ай бұрын

Ben detto a volte anche il nuovo ha bisogno di essere corretto o modificato

He's only been woodworking for 700 years and thinks his opinion counts 😂

@peteypops

Ай бұрын

I know…he’s so cheeky….but I keep watching his channel.

Excellent presentation on what tools not to buy. I’m only 70 years old and started woodworking at age 4 so I don’t quite have as many years of experience as you, but I totally agree with everything you said.

It's nice to hear well considered opinions from people with a lot of experience. Learning from other people's mistakes is a lot cheaper than learning from your own. Thanks for the video.

@seetheworldfrommyharley

7 ай бұрын

I concur! 😊

Because of lung problems I am currently replacing a lot of power tools with hand tools. This video is very helpful. Thank you!

@pauls.2308

2 ай бұрын

I pray peace and calm enables for you better breathing, especially during your biggest challenges. ✝️☝🏾💜🙏🏿

I really never thought about the saw handle but now understand why it is important thank you for the explanation

@ian7819

Ай бұрын

I bought a dovetail saw with a round handle because I thought it would improve my woodworking. Every time I get it out I regret it and swap to a cheap Irwin pull saw with a D handle that produces very clean cuts. Its nice to have my experience vindicated with respect to the handle design. However the absence of a back on the pull saw really helps me see if I am holding the saw parallel to my line. I like the minimal set on the pull saw too. Not sure if I am going to spend any more money on dovetail saws unless I find a vintage one in a flea market.

I like going to estate and yard sales to find old hand tools which I restore. You learn a lot about hand tools restoring them and usually the quality is unmatched. I have bought some rusty dull hulks that I've turned into gems.

Thanks Rob. Three of the tools you discussed are on my to buy list. You just made it much easier to select the right ones.

Thanks for the great video. I'm an old guy who's new at hand tool woodworking. I inherited a few tools when my father in law died, one of which was a Stanley #6. You're so right about the weight an stability you get from a plane of that size. Considering that I've learned most of the techniques I use from you, I'd probably have bought a 5-1/2 if I hadn't already had the 6 but I think the difference between them is inconsequential. I also got a couple of block planes in the acquisition, one being a 60-1/2 and that's the one I reach for pretty much every time. Funny, I didn't even realize how much more comfortable it is until you mentioned it. Finally, you're so right about the sharpness being the most important part as it pertains to the amount of work it takes to use it. A few videos back you quipped that there are guys who put off sharpening until it's to the point where they gotta get another guy to help push it and that cracked me up. But...I also took it to heart and when I notice I'm working up more of a sweat or when I want a really special finish on the wood a touch-up on the stones is definitely in order.

tell you camera man to hold the camera steady when they are sipping their beer.

Always happy to get the opinions of a fellow Canadian. Keep up the good work!

I’m a big fan of my LN #62. It’s basically my jack for sure. I agree with mostly everything else. And from my experience most planes, if tuned well, can smooth. When it comes to shooting I find the biggest issue I have is a dull blade. Can shoot anything almost as long as your blades are sharp and maintained. Thanks for the video Rob

@janee7995

7 ай бұрын

I love my Veritas #62 used it much more than expected .

@feedthechunk9836

7 ай бұрын

I have my Grandfathers 62, given to me from my father. I like it a lot but I think more because it belonged to him. I would have never purchased one if my father hadn't given it to me.

A great set of suggestions born from what appears to be much experience. Thank you.

Thank you for sharing. Great information.

You had me at 'if the blade is sharp being wider won't matter'. I'm a beginner woodworker, but I've used knives cooking and other jobs for decades and I've seen how the sharper the blade the safer and easier the work. Really like the way you explain stuff.

@brendasmith1533

8 күн бұрын

Exactly. Just like utility knives/box cutters.

Dear Rob, absolutely agree on the saw handle point. Any favorite saw with a true handle grip will improve the directional action and increase muscle memory. Those round handled saws are of better use in a jig. For Japanese saws it’s different, because of the pull action. Hardwoods indeed are less accurately cut with traditional Japanese saws. Oyakata makes a garden style saw with a slightly thicker blade. That saw is more suitable for hardwood. Although I must add there that to allocate saw blades for hardwoods is also helpful. Humbly think it also depends on the level of skill, muscle memory and whether the cut is with or against the grain of the wood. Learning to saw straight is imperative, for folks that push too much, the Japanese saw can be a learning experience, especially for finding the balance between applied action and letting the tool do the work. Great vid, am not a prolific user of planes, definitely will look into your shooting board plane jig vid. Cheerio

With regard to the gent's saw, the "correct" and effective grip is to move your hand forward, so that your thumb and index finger are pinching the blade. This way, you will feel the angle of the saw the same way as a dovetail saw.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip.

All good points and all well taken. Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂

Thanks. Im a traditional carpenter from Norway. Like your videos.

No.3 plane being light keeps the weight considerably down in small tool box for site use !

Great explanation - no bs, verifiable facts.

Good list. Thanks for sharing.

Rob, you present some good arguments for your tool choices; while l learned to cut dovetails pins first with a dozuki, it was in relatively soft poplar and while l have been a planeophile and still love my collection l may devote a little more time to two 51/2s l have. Thanks for your input.

Very stimulating discussion. Left me thinking.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

then it was worth watching

This guy's a gem. Thanks!

Thank you Rod

This video has helped me a heap. When i started out i bought a low-angle jack plane and some Japanese pull saws. Which is fine, but no one told me those tools were not gonna cut it on hard Maple. Seeing an experienced woodworker give his thoughts on the limits of these tools (tools which all the other popular youtubers praise). Its helped me recognize my early failures weren't 100% skill issue, but a little bit of using the wrong tools for the job.

Great info! Thank you!

Thanks for the opinions, sir. Good stuff indeed.

You are so right about the Japanese saws.

For a beginner woodworker, this is a highly valuable advice!

Thank you Rob.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching

Thank you for this video .

Definitely appreciate the reasoning, thank you

I have become a big fan of Japanese pull saws. I find it easy to make a straight cut with the pulling motion. It offers more control than pushing I feel. Great tips in the video anyway. I also prefer a hefty planer, it gives a smoother movement.

@RyanWattersRyanWatters

5 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@NeilAbaloneHave you tried a dozuki for cutting dovetails? It changed my mind, although I love using my ryoba and pull out my kugihiki way more than I ever thought I would…

@avandras

4 ай бұрын

@@NeilAbalone I don't know about the handle of your dozuki, but all of my Japanese saws have oval cross section handles, and so I can use them rather reliably. If one's into vertical cuts only, one can still clamp the piece slanted by the necessary degree.

@robertnewell5057

2 ай бұрын

I'm a pull stroke fan, too, but I do agree with Rob about the problem of the thin blades on Japanese pull saws. I took a regular back saw (called a tenon saw here in the UK) and dismantled and turned the blade round so it now cuts on the pull. Bit of work, but well worth it.

Thanks for sharing

Excellent information

Great advice thanks.

Great video. Thanks

Always a great video and insight from a pro.

Good information. I use planes and chisels primarily for framing and misc remodeling and agree with most of your opinions. I hadn;t thought about the blade angle contributing to the angle of attack on my block planes. I agree, learn to sharpen tools. Sharp cuts, sorta sharp tears wood fibers.

Nicely put. Your experience means a lot.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

It's my pleasure

Very, very helpful.

Sir I like the way you teach and I have subscribed to your channel.

Pretty impressive advice ✨✨✨ Thank you

Brilliant.

I always enjoy your take on tools and projects, thank you!

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for commenting and watching

Hi rob thanks for the video certainly know what to buy now thank you

I enjoyed the tips and have been doing carpentry for 6 decades. Starting at ten years old with grandfather ❤

Just got my Woodriver 5-1/2! Looking forward to using it a whole lot!

Never thought about the mortise chisel stuff. thanks.

Well done Rob - one of your better videos!

Bravo Rob a whole video and not one tool needed to be plugged in or have a battery. I am a joiner and have always used a 4 1/2 and a 6 while working on a bench.

nice ! really enjoyed this, thanks

I have a Veritas low angle jack that I was at first trepidatious about, but I’m getting incredibly smooth cuts on everything from highly figured walnut to jatoba and even ipe (crazy I know, but I like the look on a small box). I have to agree though that it’s all about sharpness at the end of the day. Thanks for all you’ve taught me over the years, Coach Cosman. Cheers!

@jimweisgram9185

Ай бұрын

A lot of people like their low angle jacks. Some are on KZread and I believe are very skilled. Rob is entitled to his opinion and his comments are valid for him and others If I owned a low angle hack, I think I might grind the bevel a little under 25° and hone a microbevel a little less for an angle of attack of about 38°. I've tried that on my block plane and I really like it on end grain. Otherwise I don't see much difference, I might someday want a higher angle of attack than 45°. A low angle hack gives you flexibility. But if you sharpen well, I don't see much need to increase the angle. You can control the tear out other ways. Tight mouth, minimal blade extension past the chip breaker, planing technique.

@RyanWattersRyanWatters

Ай бұрын

@@jimweisgram9185 Awesome insights. I appreciate it, brother. Hope you’re enjoying yourself in your shop right now. 😊

Thanks!

excellent. thank you.

Love the video I learnt a lot in this video

Thanks for your video! It is also my opinion to get started with proper tools! It gives you a better understanding of process and avoids making mistakes.

Thanks Rob , very useful video

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Great video, great info! Thanks!

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Thank you

Thanks, I learned a lot. i've only been (hobby) woodworking for fifty years!

Thanks for the saw tips, I get why the dovetail saw is the best :)

Great video as always! The practical advice is always welcomed because the quality of your work backs up your opinions! Thank you for sharing! Take care👍🏻

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

All great points, & great stuff as always, Rob. I think the 4 1/2 and 5 1/2 sizes are just less accessible to people who don't want to spend $250+ new or hunt down a decent price on a good vintage tool. Prewar fixer-uppers in the 3 - 5 size range grow on trees for like $30, and there are lots of resources for learning to get them cleaned up and running. I totally agree, though, the half numbers are usually nicer to use overall.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

I awlays recommend cry once and get the best tool you can afford

@boa.1381

7 ай бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking for me this was a new nr. 5 (60euro) from india.... it works well and came square... id love to know how nice a 350 euro 5,5 is but thats how much i was able to spend on my whole equipment. impossible to invest this in only one tool. also a japanese multi purpose saw works well for me as long as i stay relaxed... hard times ...maybe i can affpd a wr 5,5 if i sell all boxes i make instead of giving them away for chrismas...

@oldbloke135

7 ай бұрын

The half sizes may not be as common as the usual sizes but they are not rare. I just checked and here in the UK on Ebay today there are 69 Stanley Bailey and Record no 4 1/2. Good condition ones seem to be £35-£40 (less than $50). I almost bought one and I really don't need another plane!

Thank you for a interesting and helpful video

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

you bet

Very interesting. Thanks. I definitely feel like I could have done without my low angle jack. Shooting board is where I used the most which is still not a lot but I rarely grab it. My low angle block though, I use that ALL the time.

Great tips thanks for sharing

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Great video rob

Saw comments most interesting! Thanks for insight. More than just tension vs compression.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Yes it is and I didnt even touch on the tooth sharpening issues

I like your other comments about saws and chisels and block planes. Although my Stanley block has a blade adjustment so it is easy to set.

Buy whatever tools you feel you need for the job, mastering good quality traditional tools expand your skills.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

4 ай бұрын

I think you missed my point. These are tools that at one point I “thought” I needed, but in reality shouldn’t have purchased. The purpose of the video is to hopefully save someone else from making the same mistake.

I haven't popped in for a while. I didn't recognise you with the long hair at first. Then I heard then sense you spoke and realised, "yeah, this is the guy I remember". 😄 Great recommendations.

great advice Rob

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Thank you!

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

thanks for watching

Good day Rob, very informative video. Would you be blessed to show the recommended tools and brands of your alternative ones buy?

I love you work. The explanations you offer for the reasons of your dislikes of the tools are all very intelligent & useful. BTW you look fabulous for a 700 year old!

Thank you very helpful

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Doesn’t always, only occasionally. My western saw never does, that the difference.

you sir are a master

Nice Planes brings back memories. I used to work in antiques and collectibles in Niagara Falls while being a carpenter at the same time and I used to collect antique tools. I even had a flexible Base plane that you can make the base convex or concave so you could plane rounded objects.

Good video

I always enjoy your presentation even when, as in this one, I disagree with you on a few points ( I love me my Veritas low-angle jack! LOL!) Your presentations are always clear and well thought out and right about 95% of the time.

Wonderful information I like words of wisdom from a pro, not wishy washy we’re they argue both sides and leave you still undecided

Great video. 👏👏

Great opinions. 100 %

Thank you so much Rob. Very informative . Julien I have made my first wood hinge box after ordering your jig to make holes in the center of the dowels. Works just great. I need more practice. I used 1\4 dowel should have used 3/8.Will see what happens.

@HenryPiffpaff

2 ай бұрын

Hi, what's the name of that jig?

Thanks again for your opinions ❤ In Germany, Dictum sells a low angle jack with a detachable shooting board grip called "hotdog" ❤

@JeanClaudePeeters

2 ай бұрын

That's the one I use. It's great. And at the cost, you can even keep it as a dedicated shooting plane only.

Excellent info and I agree with everything you pointed out. Like you I have tools that I don't use. If not a collector piece, they need to go because I just don't have the space and they will just corrode. Thanks!

Informative video.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Thanks

I'm in the UK. My biggest waste of money was a Surform plane, this thing is like a mega open file. The only thing I've ever used it for in 50 years is rounding off fence posts.I agree with you about the 41/2" plane, I use itall the time, its always on my bench, Ive just had to buy a new blade but (even purchased from Axminster Tools) that the steel is as good as the old one. Other problem on my large bench plane, is that the cast iron has aged so that the bottom has raised areas where-ever the casting is thicker. I could spend hours scrapping to blue on a plate glass, but haven't the patience, so I'm looking out for a firm with a surface grinder to true it all up. I hads an old 7 where the surface grinder had to take off 15 thou to get it flat and the same on the sides to get it back straight and flat. Ive never got on with those pull saws. My favourite was made by Sorby and that too was my grandfathers. Its nice having old tools that were my Grandfather's that are 150 years old, but their maintenance needs some effort. During the lock-downs I couldn't buy new throw-aways when they got blunt. A diamond three square file worked a treat, bu you cant reset them.

Alot of good hard be information. New subscriber. Looking forward to more insight. Thank you.

Great video. Personal preference is everything. You talk about what I call the joy factor. It is subjective and sometimes you can’t even explain why, but a tool or a process makes you happy. For example, if I commissioned you to make a shaker table with a drawer but stipulated you must use those 9 mistake tools, that table would come out as well as if you used your preferred tools. What would be missing would be the joy factor. You would cut perfect dovetails with the gent saw. You would compensate for the chisel bevels. You would dig out the dedicated shooting plane and work through the ergonomics. To me, a good gent saw is a delight to use. I don’t use a mortise chisel (don’t own one) because there is no joy in doing that task - for me. I can’t make the unseen joint better and it brings me no happiness. On the other hand, I draft and draw by hand as opposed to CAD. Slower, yes. Better, yes. And the joy factor is through the roof!

Cool share. Cheers.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the visit

I have a Veritas low angle jack plane. It was pretty much useless as a shooting plane but works beautifully otherwise. I purchased a #6 from Cosman. It's a little large for shooting but works well for that. It doubles for use jointing medium length pieces for musical instruments I make. The first pricey saw I bought was a gent's saw. I never use it. I have Narex mortise chisels which do have sloped sides. I have learned to use them passably well.

I love your honesty. Thanks again for a no nonsense opinion… that I agree with by the way. I don’t have a show but I’ve been making furniture for almost 50 years.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Send us some pics of your stuff and we will post it to our customer gallery

@kfujillama9548

7 ай бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking post here or another location?

I love opinions. Especially those from experienced folks.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

I wish I could say that about everyone !!!!

Little pills of wisdom and experience, thanks man!

@RobCosmanWoodworking

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for commenting

For over 700 years. Love it.