This is a great bike, very capable and climbs very well IMO. I have the S build. I was concerned about pedaling efficiency coming from hard tail for many years. I was very pleasantly surprised and very happy with the bike. I originally wanted the Ripley, but Ibis is way behind and my order kept getting pushed out longer and longer. I went and demoed the TB and it’s been awesome so far.

This is my freaking dream bike

@lachlanmtb7540

3 жыл бұрын

Same

*Just an awesome **Latest.Bike** ....well constructed, sturdy, great looking…got me back out on the trails!! Could not be happier!!*

After a year of searching and watching reviews - I've settled on the Santa Cruz Tallboy. Thanks for the review.

@11dhillons

4 жыл бұрын

Bill Kabitz reasoning of this over the Ripley V4? I’ve been doing some deep thinking and can’t come to a conclusion

@MTB_Rider_96

4 жыл бұрын

@@11dhillons Part of it is the rear suspension configuration making the Santa Cruz stiffer feeling frame on climbs and flow trails, and the head tube angle. I do almost as much climbing as I do descending, so I like the reviewers comments on climbing ability of this bike. But it really is a difficult choice with all the options out there.

@ragu4545

4 жыл бұрын

@@MTB_Rider_96 Don't do it!!! DEMO! DEMO! DEMO! I was in a similar boat obsessing over reviews and bike Geo for over a year. I then decide to put an order in for the new Occam. Well it was a 6 month wait and I got the chance to demo it 2 months before mine was going to arrive. I also demoed a Ripley because that was another bike at the top of my list. Well I was blown away by the Ripley. So much so that I managed to cancel the order on the Occam and I now own a Ripley.

@wonderwatch2239

4 жыл бұрын

The decider for me, between tb4 and Ripley, was that my lbs has SC, and Ibis only comes as mail order, in Scandinavia, from a dodgy “bad review” online shop, and my lbs is killer... The good reviews didn’t hurt either.. CC frame incoming 🤘

I rode the top spec AXS build with the reserve wheels in Santa Cruz at their headquarters and was absolutely blown away. I had just demoed an Ibis Ripley and while that bike was great and pedaled really well, the Tallboy just felt like it could do so much more than basic XC trails. Felt almost bottomless on the SC home trails. Looking forward to trying it back home in NC!

@sjcrawford42

4 жыл бұрын

also in NC, down to same 2. Another reviewer said tallboy felt more bottomless but had to be ridden fast to feel good whereas ripley was always smooth. Lots of slow twisty rooty trails in NC where I am with no real drops/jumps. Leaning toward ripley myself but what do you think about that slow/fast comment?

@jakemoya-mendez2488

4 жыл бұрын

Steven Crawford I don’t agree with that from my experience. The Tallboy felt super efficient with no pedal bob and handled great even on smooth flowy sections. The Ripley is an animal when pedaling, but I don’t think the Tallboy gives up anything against the Ripley except weight and it makes up for it with its added capability in my opinion.

Would love to see you guys do a video comparing this to the new Transition Spur.

I don’t know what I liked more, the bike or the trails. Heaven on earth.

the editing on this video is amazing!

I liked the Review. So far you guys are 4 for 4 on providing good content in a short 8 minute window. So far this year, your reviews are outdoing Pink Bike! and Congrats Bike Mag! Took you guys about 10 years to NOT Categorize a bike based on it's Travel numbers. You guys figured this out late, but better late than never. Travel numbers and suspension design never really tell the whole story whole how a bike will pedal or how it will desecend. It is the bikes overall kinematics is what determines this! I too would classify the TallBoy 4 as a Trail Bike and NOT an XC bike. The TB4 also pops because of it's low travel numbers, but yet it's Geo allows it to descend better than bikes with 30mm more travel. People will say the Tall Boy would be the ultimate if it had 30mm more travel, but what they fail to realize is if it did, then it would totally change the Dynamics of they bike! I love the TB4 as is, but it would be nice if it's frame was about 1 lb lighter. I think I would pick the Ripley V4 over the Tallboy V4 after weighing all the positives and negatives. The Ripley V4: - pedals better than the TB4 - is about 1 lb lighter. Even a 145mm travel Ripmo pedals better than a TB4. - A Ripley V4 can get down to 24 lbs with race tires, light weight wheelset, and Fox step cast fork. - pops a little better than the TB4. - The Tallboy does descend better than the V4, but not by much. - The TB4 also looks much better than the Ripley V4, so it has that going for it too. Hope you guys get to review a Ripley V4, would love to hear what you guys think about this bike. Keep up the great reviews! Love, Cartmann

@wonderwatch2239

4 жыл бұрын

Erich von Cartmann they did review the Ripley v4, in the 2019 bible, “believe or not”😊

@ErichVonCartmann

4 жыл бұрын

Jesper Lund , just watched that! and my feelings are mutual with them. The Ripley is an Amazing Bike!

I just got the Tallboy and this girl is fine...

Will be my New bike, when I can get my hands on one ! Late 2021 in the uk ?

7:34 - 7:40 no audio, jus song

Im in the market for a new bike im debating between the tallboy and trek fuel ex 8, i see the fuel ex has better components on the drive traing for the same price and im talking about the alloy edition on both bikes if it was you what would you choose based on your professional experience, please advise

The sound was missing because bike magazine had to erase some of the recording at the very end of the video. Now the video is back up with that section missing.

Thanks for the review! Imo this is just a trail bike though. Anyway helped me choose to buy this bike! :)

@willskissick4100

4 жыл бұрын

What do you think about it? I’ve got my eye on the R spec

@michaelkay4464

4 жыл бұрын

Wills Kissick it’s awesome! For me a overbuilt short travel bike kind of made sense (I put a fox 36 and 2.5 dhf/aggressor s on it). So if you like short travel 29ers it’s absurdly capable for what it is. Like I’m not sure I would want something where I go faster lol. Can put lighter tires on it and you can make it more balanced 2

Gotte love these stanchions

@doozlamuller7887

4 жыл бұрын

😋

Interesting Bike. I own a 2014 Fuel EX and an Ibis Rimpo. I am doing a 400 km - 1200 tp 1500hm tour through the alpes in the summer. What do you think, would this bike more efficient than the fuel?

@bp8171

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Lars! I own literally the exact same setup. Currently in the market to replace my 14 fuel ex 9.7 29er. Great bike, but it gets overwhelmed easily. I think this bike will pedal more efficiently than our fuels and will descend significantly better! Think its time for us to replace our short travel 29ers 😀 P.S. love love love my ripmo!

It seems year after year riders always love the Tallboy.

Can you guys review a 2020 Marin Rift Zone AL? They share very similar numbers with this bike for a fraction of the price.

The Tallboy would be a great bike, if it wasn't so stupidly expensive. Then cheapest carbon model costs 4500€ and has components that you'd typically find on sub 3000€ bike. Such a huge mark-up isn't worth it, not even for a Santa Cruz.

@danielnayebhashem4782

4 жыл бұрын

get a second hand one from a few years before for like half the price

@dcouture79

4 жыл бұрын

All high end carbon bikes are in this price range. You could go with a consumer direct manufacturer but you won’t get the stellar customer service like Santa Cruz offers.

@meteormedia7021

2 жыл бұрын

@@dcouture79 That is simply not true. I paid 1000€ less for my 2021 Norco Optic than what the cheapest Carbon Tallboy costs and the Norco is absolutely in the same league as the Tallboy.

How about re-release all these videos without music? Not sure who's idea it was to add music but it's totally unnecessary. I just want to hear what the riders think.

@coreymclernon

4 жыл бұрын

ShredB4 dead , agreed! The standard KZread music 👎🏽

Great video review, but please get rid of that horrendous background music. I want to hear the thoughts of the reviewers, not that cringy music

Its super cool but super heavy unless you go for the super expansive versions

How can to put a video whit the sound like this How hard is to recorded again?

I live in Denmark and don't need that much suspension. Right now have an xc mtb. I just tried a tallboy S/Carbon c and fell completely in love with it. super mtb. so I'll probably have to send my xc MTB in retirement.

@wonderwatch2239

4 жыл бұрын

allan Krogh ha ha Allan, that’s what I have been telling you all along, when you were dreaming about those big travel enduro bikes, no need in our, less then hilly country.... let’s see who gets it first, it’s a race🤘😂

@Musicsson

4 жыл бұрын

I live in the Black Forest mountain area near the Swiss border and my 2018 TB eats any gnarly downhill track I throw at it. Big roots, slippery rocks, jumps, whatever you want. And I am a musculos guy of over 90 kg. Really a versatile bike that climbs like crazy and descends surprisingly well. The stories that say the travel feels like 20 mm more are true. I can confirm it.

In the videos there are some audio issues

@ogden99

4 жыл бұрын

enduro mtb linz lots of weird audio towards the end!

The guy on the right says something at 7:35 that gets censored. I am not a good lip reader, so I can't figure out what he's saying.

Would you recommend this one or the Hightower for mid trails nothing too rowdy here in Houston

@isaactaylor6334

4 жыл бұрын

Tallboy will probably do it

@km006

3 жыл бұрын

Idk, my choice is the tallboy, the aluminium version is cheaper it's $2799 and it's lighter than the aluminium hightower

tallboy vs cannondale habit? scared the tallboy wont be enough travel for my environment, chunky socal, but i have an 160/180 bike already.

@LukasDePraga

4 жыл бұрын

I am a SC fanboy with HTLT in house and this Tallboy on my radar but I had a chance to ride the Habbit and boy did it suprise me! It was soo nice, playful, easy, and with enough travel to do it all. If I was not biased against Cannondale (Their customer service and warranty is sh!t) I would put Habbit very high up my list.

@TheAllEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

@@LukasDePraga There was a time when Santa Cruz bikes were head and shoulders above others, but this is not anymore. The price they charge is not justified.

Near impossible to measure sag? You still have a sag ring... 🤔

Hi for the Aluminium Frame, is the frame a lifetime warranty?

@mikecoulter5243

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, lifetime warranty on the frame. Other components vary, see here: www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/warranty

So this or Ripmo V2? that is the question

@evamc09

3 жыл бұрын

I recommend the Tallboy

A shot of tequila for every time they say "I think" Geeze!

Anyone has the right to dream, even though it will never be real 😔

@SpartanStanSteele78

3 жыл бұрын

Work, $ave, make it your serious goal, it *_WILL_* happen - unless you let the world dictate to you _your_ life. F*CK FEAR, *DO IT!*

@arturo_garza_4069

3 жыл бұрын

It isn’t that expensive you can save and buy it

7:34 again with the no audio......pre watch ?

@morbly

4 жыл бұрын

They've never been good about the audio on these things, this year is still better the previous ones though.

@blombardo83

4 жыл бұрын

@@morbly yeah, they slowly get better but never really good.

In my opinion, this is the wrong move. The tallboy 2 was a great xc/trail bike. Now they have upgraded the downhill side of the bike too much.

@dcouture79

4 жыл бұрын

Tomás Reintroducing the Blur allowed Santa Cruz to make this bike more of an all mountain bike. The Tallboy is pretty amazing, they made some smart changes, I encourage you to go ride one

I would marry her....

But for the UK (and other wet areas of planet earth) that shock location is awful. It’ll get blasted with mud, dirt, water and sh%t. Awkward to clean. Which means more maintenance and more time in the shop. Given the cost of the bike, this is a real turn off. PS can you review some Whyte bikes. Great Geo, decent prices.

Obviously a trail bike..an all rounder

Why was the guy on the right muted at 7:36?

@spiral99able

4 жыл бұрын

you tube bots ride treks

@thelmaviaduct

4 жыл бұрын

He was effin and jeffin.

Expect to hear “like” about 35 times in this one...when the audio works.

@decoherence926

Күн бұрын

c'mon man, it's not a noble prize acceptance speech

Who damaged the front of the frame, looks cracked. Awesome looking bike

@chm1701

4 жыл бұрын

Just looks like severe impact damage. The damage doesn’t go all the way down to the edge of the headtube, so all should be well. Looks mostly paint and lacquer damage. Doesn’t look great though!

Are the weight measurements on these tests sans pedals?

@Bikemagazine

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. Weights are large-size frame, no pedals and set up tubeless with sealant.

@tinshield

4 жыл бұрын

Bike Magazine excellent, thank you!

8K USD for a 30lb trail bike? Seems a bit much but i guess dentists and trust fund kids need bikes too.

@flow2tech

4 жыл бұрын

@Scott Pratico im a lowly diesel mechanic... I easily afforded this.. Its called, priorities. 🤘

@blazerman61

4 жыл бұрын

Get the lower end model for 5 then!?

@Waresy23

2 жыл бұрын

My dentist rips.

wait a second... it's eight thousand two hundred dollars?

@michaelkay4464

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah uber expensive. Get it built and you can get it much cheaper though (and better probably). I mean it's a carbon full suspension mountain bike from one of the best high end bike manufacturers. And its quite good build. So it's not going to be a 2500 YT or something =].

@BMfins

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it’s a doctors bike. Not for us normal people.

Sounds like they're trying to convince themselves it's a good bike...

@manuelrabelo6780

3 жыл бұрын

It's not.. not for the money...

@TheAllEngineering

3 жыл бұрын

@@REB4444 You would do better to spend less money on another brand and get better componentry. The componentry offered on the lower level Santa Cruz bikes does not align with the price of the bike and is detrimental to the performance of the bike. But that is deemed OK because its Santa Cruz lol.

Audio is terrible. Sounds like an echo chamber and the music over them talking is very distracting

@mac_smith33

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, bike mag has a history of terrible audio for the bible of bike tests. Check out the 2016 tests if you want to hear a real echo chamber.

wish they didnt skip the 5010....

@LRF49

3 жыл бұрын

That bike belongs to the streets.

The girl ....the bike...one of each please

Why select Simano moter in Santa Cruz first...Korea don't like Simano motor......

Santa Cruz is SO over priced for the specs! Hard no for me. $7000+ (US) builds, and you still can't get into FOX Factory sus. Lame!

I think Ibis has this bike for the price and the weight! Santa Cruz bikes have gotten way to expensive and to heavy for the given part spec.

@gregoryvierra6114

3 жыл бұрын

It’s too.

“ an xc bike for downhillers “ that’s the gayest thing ive heard in my life shitty marketing strategy what a joke. I’ve ridden this bike it’s a slow hunk of shit I’d buy the trek top fuel over this any day. This isn’t an xc bike and shouldn’t be associated with them. It’s a hunk of over priced shit.

Santa Cruz bikes are just overpriced and very heavy. The tallboy is NOT a XC bike.. not sure why they keep pushing this idea.. 8k for a 30 lbs bike that does nothing better than any other brand with the same components.. they were clearly paid to have a biased review.. I hate to post negative comments on videos but this is not realistic to say the least.

I've got to say....the whole staged " campsite chat " format with the obviously empty beer cans makes this whole series feel really weak and insincere. I'll take a review from Pink Bike over this any day.

@shamrock4840

4 жыл бұрын

Jon Brown this group are obvious Liberals too

@michaelkay4464

4 жыл бұрын

Sham Rock huh? Not sure where that plays into it

@Runk3lsmcdougal

4 жыл бұрын

Well I like it

Too expensive buy Trek instead.

You guys obviously haven’t ridden the new Hightower it’s awful , sluggish just like the Bronson

@americanmuffin5894

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Cartwright the Hightower and Bronson are slow pieces of junk. Only retards would buy them.

@Windband1

4 жыл бұрын

They did review the HT.

@Cartsp70

4 жыл бұрын

Logan Smith haha , exactly both awful bikes

@dcouture79

4 жыл бұрын

Logan Smith Dude, no modern high end bikes are “awful”. The Bronson is more of an enduro and is awesome downhill. If you want to pedal and climb more efficiently there are other bikes that are better in those areas. You can’t go wrong with any modern high end bike.

It's $8,200. Sorry, but nope.

@evamc09

3 жыл бұрын

theyre testing the CC frame which is top of the line. Most riders do not need this type of frame. The aluminum frame or even the Carbon Frame will do. Alu starts at 2799, and the Carbon R, the cheapest carbon kit is 4199. CC frames are kinda overkill.

8k for that? Crappy shock and location? Biased lame review with stupid background music. Wouldn't take that pnw riding

@Windband1

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I won't buy a bike with that kind of shock location. Too much potential for damage, plus maintenance pain in the ass. And you can't even get to the sag ring! WTF?