Palpatine is like the ultimate villain and the way they brought him back in ROS just doesnt do him justice

@spicylemon7475

4 жыл бұрын

"I was dead but I basically had a contingency plan for if I die and that was to clone myself and snoke was actually a failed clone of me, so, surprise, I'm back bitches."

@topdog5252

2 жыл бұрын

I would actually like him coming back, if the story was really great. If any Sith knew stuff about cheating death, it should be Palpatine

@paladinheadquarters7776

2 жыл бұрын

@@topdog5252 nah Vader killing Palpatine should be the final.

@Cdr2002

2 жыл бұрын

He’s entirely in character he just shouldn’t be in the movie lmao

@Knightwolf1994

Жыл бұрын

​@@ChrisThePhoenix In Legends he was basically dragged to Hell.

Jedi: “there is no death, there is the Force.” Sith: “if you die in the game you die for real.”

@IronKnightPrime

15 күн бұрын

I understood that reference!

I don’t like Palpatine coming back, but what Sam is saying completely lines up with Palpatine’s resurrection. Jedi afterlife is accepting and becoming part of the process of life and death. Sith “afterlife” is refusal to die.

0:40 Did I just get Palpa-roll'd?

@Palpameme66

4 жыл бұрын

...possibly...

@fabianrocha9924

Ай бұрын

Sheevrolled

God I love this guy more and more. He is beyond super knowledgeable and has super intelligent conversations about this franchise and it's just a plus for him that he's so integrated into this universe now since 08. Sam you're a damn legend man✌🏻 I'd take a Force Unleashed franchise over those dumb ass sequels any day my friend ✊🏻

I still can't believe how TROS managed to piss off almost everyone in the fandom, including people who hated the sequels from the start or even people who loved TFA and TLJ and wanted a proper conclusion. But instead, we got this.

@joshuasteward6097

6 ай бұрын

Bringing back Palpatine was the lazy, safe choice.

@KatamuroTheFirst

Ай бұрын

I remember a year after I saw it in the cinema I thought, "no it couldn't be as bad as I remember" so I watched it again. And true it wasn't as bad as I remembered, it was way worse.

That just proves it works tho? Palpatine’s not a force ghost here, he did whatever he could to survive

@thepriorstone4064

23 күн бұрын

He didn’t survive though, technically he didn’t come back to life either he’s a clone, with no origin cuz he came back out of no where, that’s why it doesn’t work

@mr.stuffdoer8483

23 күн бұрын

@@thepriorstone4064 just like the clones had no origin? Do they not work?

@thepriorstone4064

23 күн бұрын

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 they have an origin, Dooku/sidious plaited to create them on Kamino, they have a back story, Sidious returning off screen because of unrelated cloning isn’t a backstory

@mr.stuffdoer8483

23 күн бұрын

@@thepriorstone4064 …you are aware none of that backstory was in the movies and only came because of substantial development that occurred in other projects years later, right? Y’know… THE SAME THING THEY’RE DOING WITH PALPS

Ok so sith are extremely tethered to keeping their lives and avoiding death ( as seen with Maul), wouldn’t it make sense that Palpatine would create a massive plan/process to keep himself from dying and later haphazardly use such a plan when he’s thrown down a reactor shaft?

@bloodysimile4893

4 жыл бұрын

It call Dark Empire. Sidious built entire cloning lab for when his original body expired, he would transfer his spirit to a clone body which rotton because his corrupt spirit and will have to another clone body. As long he have fresh supply of clone body, could live for every. Of course, bring characters back from the dead is a hit or miss with fan. Or like the HISHE version of TPM, they come back by the power of fanservice which can be considered unnatural to storytelling.

@jish55

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, like there's many instances in the EU of Sith living on past death, normally through rituals where they'd tether their life force to objects of power, where they can use said objects to put their spirit into someone else and continue living onward.

@austinnewell9791

9 ай бұрын

Yeah as much as I hate the palpatine coming back thing this vid doesn’t make a lot of sense. Sam is saying the reason the sith cling to life is that there’s nothing after for them. That’s it, you die and you’re dead. Following that logic it makes sense that palpatine would cling to life as much as possible, because if he dies, he’s just gone. Ironically if anything the video argues for why it makes sense for palpatine to still be alive when it was trying to do the opposite lol

@Mourtzouphlos240

9 ай бұрын

Yes, but then you cannot make "Hating the Star Wars Sequels" your entire personality.

@xrstevenson

4 ай бұрын

​@austinnewell9791 uh sure, surviving complete and utter obliteration is what makes Palpatine's return make no sense. Maul had half a body and Vader was fatally crippled. Palpatine was reduced to atoms, there's no coming back if there's nothing to bring back

I think you might be taking this out of context, spiritually after their death the sith have no future, i agree with Sam and Dave. the difference is that in ROTJ palpatines body was destroyed and his spirit lived on, not necessarily that he can transcend death but just barely held on to his spiritual force and transferred it to his clone body.

@bloodysimile4893

4 жыл бұрын

Seen from the Legends EU, Sith spirit can live after their body is destroyed but are trap with no hope of peace. Unless they can control someone else body, they are trap in a certain location like their tomb like the original sith world Kobbrian. The only Sith that have truly success in achieve force ghost immortally like Yoda, Obi Wan and Anakin was Darth Marr from the Old Republic for he was generally work for the greater good for his empire, not selfish like many of his peers, and did not fear death in the sense of try to cheat it to betray his values.

@Palpameme66

4 жыл бұрын

I mean you're right, but going only by canon knowledge of the force and the Sith, Sam and Dave are correct. And I would certainly say Palpatine flinging his consciousness into another body to cheat death is just that. He's not manifesting his spirit in an object, he's just basically bringing himself back to life. And yeah I know Dark Empire also kinda did this but tbh I always thought it was dumb in that too 🤷🏼‍♂️😅

@willvermillion1025

2 жыл бұрын

@@Palpameme66 bane is in an episode so the sith spirit thing is still there somewhat

@bcmrcool

2 жыл бұрын

@@willvermillion1025 he’s a big guy

@LauklynGorena

Жыл бұрын

@@Palpameme66yes but the novel confirms the whole clone spirit thing so yeah

I mean essence transfer is an ability the Sith had in both canon and Legends. So Palpy using it makes sense, do I like that he survived no but it fits the lore.

@StevenZissimos

2 жыл бұрын

Right, but did he use essence transfer to bring himself back? The film didn't exactly go into detail about how he survived at all.

The way I see it, Palpatine was only brought back in Rise Of Skywalker because Snoke died in Last Jedi. Since Episode 7, 8 and 9 were being advertised as a connected trilogy, every decision within those films has to have a purpose and lead up to the following storyline. If they make it so that Snoke was alive in Episode 9 or if they just introduce some other new original villains, viewers who seen Episode 8 will be on this paradox of asking "what the hell was the point of killing off Snoke to begin with?"

@joshuasteward6097

6 ай бұрын

The directors talked like the movies were not connected. Palpatine's spirit could have been in Snoke, a clone body.

@fbx03

3 ай бұрын

It had to have been a slap in the face to KK and RJ after messing the story up in the 2nd movie

in canon Palpatine stay dead forever after ROTJ because in George mind he didn´t came back after return of the jedi

To the talk of Vader being cut up and Maul being cut in half. Vader arms and legs were cut off but his core body remain in intact, in a science term of biology, you can live with out your arms and legs as long the core body that contains one interior organ. Being burn alive, you won't die instantly but suffer a long agonizing death unless someone intervenes which did happen by Sidious arrival and the clones having a medic kit to performing BLS until Vader got into the surgeon. Maul was cut in half, destroying or damaging his interior organs. Fall down the bottomless pit and have no medical intervention and contiune to survive without replacing or repair the damaged organ for over ten years, meaning Maul didn't go to the bathroom in that time to get rip of waste and toxics that will be builting in bloodsteam. Vader survival is plausible in the timeframe given. Maul's survival was base solely on super plot armor. Of course, Sidious survival was completely base because Snoke die.

@Palpameme66

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I mean it's a stretch to believe that Maul could have survived, more so than Vader, but bringing him back did actually really enhance his character and the story and actually added some really good stuff to the franchise (so in some ways I can kinda go with the explanation they gave us even if it's a bit tenuous), but whereas Palpatine returning makes even less sense and then they did nothing with him and then killed him again, so like what was even the point of bringing him back, with basically no explanation 😅

@The.Orange.Wizard

4 жыл бұрын

Maul survived using the dark side, he was fuelled by his pain and hatred for Kenobi.

@Palpameme66

4 жыл бұрын

@@The.Orange.Wizard yeah there is a more "spiritual" reason for why he survived, that Sith can keep themselves alive through pure hatred since that's what gives them power.

@The.Orange.Wizard

4 жыл бұрын

Palpameme For example, Darth Sion, someone who is in so much pain and anger that he was practically immortal.

@ReySkywalker2

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Maul’s survival makes FAR less sense than Palpatine’s. Maul has half of his vital organs missing ffs.

The only way I see it making sense with Palpatine’s “resurrection” is by the Dark Empire arc in Legends where he has a contingency plan to transfer his soul through the Force to a Clone body

"secrets only the sith knew"

It’s 2:00 in the morning and I’m thinking Why is in my recommendation

Sith don’t want to die. Palpatine cheats death. How does that not make sense??

How do I watch the full version?

To be far Palpatine is leagues above Vader and Maul in Dark Side knowledge, plus Palpatine came back in Legend's Dark Empire using Essence Transfer learned by Vitiate, Bane, and Plagueis.

@ajclannachan

3 жыл бұрын

Essence transfer is what Darth Baine learned, but it takes time and effort. It’s not something you do on the fly while been so angry you can’t even stop your own force lightening. It’s just bad writing to fill a gap after the disaster that was the last Jedi.

@ajclannachan

3 жыл бұрын

@@Fulcron13 it’s literally the reason he dies. Vader is able to lift him and throw him off as palpatine is so focused on killing Luke & then the rage of betrayal. If he could think straight he would have used force push or any ability to save himself. It’s just garbage writing by the sequel muppets who don’t even understand Star Wars. George has even stated that’s the reason he died. Lost in his own rage.

@stranglestrong

3 жыл бұрын

@@ajclannachan I see both points. Understandable, but Lucas also approved of Palpatine returning in the original dark empire comic. At first they wanted vader to return but Lucas said no to that.

@stranglestrong

3 жыл бұрын

@@ajclannachan yeah he technically did die lost in his own rage. At the last second he essence transferred into a clone body. It makes sense all the sith were obsessed with cheating death. Sith can come back as ghost but unlike Jedi they are trapped on one planet. And my own theory is, or they go to basically hell. Sideous had all sorts of contingency plans if he died. Part of the reason for the super weapons was to prepare for the vong invasion.

@ajclannachan

3 жыл бұрын

@@stranglestrong yeah but didn’t it turn out it was a clone that died on the death star or something. It’s been a long time since I read it. Lucas was far from perfect. He wasn’t a world class director or the language used was just bad. He was great at continuity and world building. He understood people. So no matter how genky the prequels are at times. The story follows an ark. The sequels might as well be independent movies. They just create plot hole after plot hole

Voldemort is Palpatines friend and showed him how to make horcruxes 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣🤣🤣

The Sith live for this life. The Jedi live for the next. That's why Jedi have Force Ghosts and Sith do not. To have a Sith transcend death in anyway fundamentally goes against this fundamentally idea of Star Wars. That's why Sith work so hard to say alive, because they know there is nothing left for them after. But no one is immortal and no matter what a Sith does, he will die eventually and there is nothing left for him after death. But the Jedi don't fear death and in return, they are rewarded with not victory in life, but victory in death by being Force ghosts. It's iconic, the Sith seek immortality but they can never achieve it because of their twisted ways. The Jedi do not seek immortality but are rewarded with it because of their moral ways. This is a fundamental concept in Star Wars and Lucas is trying to say something deeper about human morality. You can be a Sith, kill and abuse people and cling to power in this life. But eventually you will lose it all and be rewarded with nothing. Or you can be Jedi by helping people, not caring about material things, and not fearing death. And if you are a Jedi, you will be rewarded with everlasting happiness and enlightenment beyond this finite world. And this is just another reason why I can never buy the sequels as canon. The sequels broke this fundamental rule. To say Sidious survived this explosion and transcended death goes against everything Lucas ever said about the Jedi and Sith. To be fair, the EU did this too and it must just as little sense, but Lucas did not have direct control over the EU and the films are more important because they override the EU. Having Palpatine return is just so wrong thematically (and that's not even going into how it messes up the prophesy of the Chosen One)!

@red-dm1tl

3 жыл бұрын

Not trying to undermine your comment or anything, cuz i agree with them; What is your opinion on starwars expanded universe palpatine transferring his consciousness into this clone after his death? Although it was the skywalker who defeated him again.

@justaguywithaturban6773

2 жыл бұрын

@@red-dm1tl that’s cheating death, a afterlife which goes against the Sith way of life. So it still doesn’t make any sense

@amir0298

2 жыл бұрын

This made sense why Operation Cinder in Battlefront 2 happened prior to The Last Jedi, Palpatine destroying the Galaxy as his last evil action after his death.

@joshuasteward6097

8 ай бұрын

Agree. But an argument can be made that Anakin fulfilled the prophesy but balance is never permanent. Or, that Anakin's force ghost will keep balancing the force, perhaps as a Mortis God.

@joshuasteward6097

8 ай бұрын

Agree. But an argument can be made that Anakin fulfilled the prophesy but balance is never permanent. Or, that Anakin's force ghost will keep balancing the force, perhaps as a Mortis God.

Palpatine, I assume had his spirit in Snoke, essence transfer to a clone body, . Between that and stealing force energy - how I believe Padme actually died - the Sith have 2 ways to survive. It would be interesting to see a Sith force ghost wield power like Yoda did in episode 8.

Look at Dave Filoni trying to add to Sam and to get a few brownie points lol

the ending hahahahhaa

Dark Empire Palpatine is way better than rise of Skywalker Palpatine, all I'm going to say and that's it.

@Palpameme66

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, and yet both are still terrible

@Lemuel928

9 ай бұрын

Ah yes,Young Clone Sidious..The tougher Darth Sidious that Luke finally fought.

And that’s precisely it. The Jedi have no problem with death, they don’t fear it. They recognize that death comes to all things and that it may be a necessary sacrifice in the pursuit of galactic peace and stability. When they die they believe they become one with the Force. That’s also why they forego all emotional attachment and personal belongings. They’re similar to monks in that way. For the Sith though, this life is everything. To be on the verge of death for them means that everything they’ve worked for is being taken away and they can’t stand it. That’s why Maul survived, that’s why Anakin survived, they were fueled by pure hatred and rage. They were quite literally “too angry to die.”

That's what everyone was saying since Dark Empire!

Maybe i misunderstood this clip, but certain powerful Sith Lords (especially from Old Republic/Old Sith Empire era) could exist as force ghosts without need to rely on any physical body/object to manifest themselves, no? They could even took control of weaker minds and "hitch-a-ride", so to speak. So, death is not the end for them either.

Palpatine had battlepoints left. He just respawned at the next sector

Honestly, as far as I can see, this side of things actually completely explains Palp's return. Death is the end, so take every precaution to avoid (or cheat) it.

Debatable. They could transfer their essence into objects or people.

I highly recommend the dark empire comics from the expanded universe and it makes palpatine come back in a clone body after ROTJ and that’s how the did it in ROS exagol created a clone body for him cause he learned transfer esense

Palpatine: You know the rules and fuck the rules lol Palpatine works with his master before he kills him while training both Maul and Dooku around the same time. Therefore breaking the rule of two lol

Nah, Maul didn't have his legs cut off. It was his lower torso. You need vital organs to live, dude. Even if they're grazed.

And so do I!

In both canons, the sith are unable to trascend their flesh to become spiritual beings, at least "naturally". We've seen many instances of siths bounding their spirits to innanimate objects or taking over someone else's body. It makes sense for Palpatine to seek a different way, and transferring his soul/concience to a clone body fits with what we've seen. I like Witwer, but someones he seems to be obtuse about the sequels just for the sake of it.

There is actually a canon way in which Palpatine could have returned in a way that made more sense. Trapping their soul into an inanimate object before their death. Like in the canon comics one ancient sith tramsferred his soul into his mask before his death. Sidious could have transferred his soul into Vader's helmet. He could have been manioulating Kylo Ren through it, making him think was receiving instructions from Vader. It could have even explained his fall to darkside if Luke kept Vader's mask and then Kylo started hearing what he though was Vader's voice from it. Kylo could have crafted a new mask from that vader helmet which would have allowed Palpatine to control its wearer. Like Kylo or Rey.

I feel like more people criticize that palpatine returns rather than how he was reintroduced and what they did in the movie, in legends he came back as well and personally i think it was done great dark empire is one of my favorite era's

@Palpameme66

11 күн бұрын

@@lordwilfried117 I do like me some legends, but I find bringing him back in any form goes fundamentally against Anakins arc. Yes his original return was written before the prequels, but even then it still makes Vaders sacrifice less impacful. He shouldn't have been brought back either time and both are stupid in their own ways.

As much as I agree palpatine coming back in tros, this actually makes it make a little more sense. Palpatine believed nothing happened after death and did everything he could to try to extend his own life. Cloning, plagues's technique, etc. all were things to extend mortal life in some way

I feel this is a slightly ironic considering his character was brought back through cloning and contained memories from the original, yet the same thing happens to Palpatine and everyone has a conniption.

@waltermalone216

9 ай бұрын

I don't know what world you live in, but The Force Unleashed 2 isn't exactly a fan favorite. The Force Unleashed 1 is a classic and iconic masterpiece, it's sequel was a fun game but the story was DUMPSTER JUICE and everyone knows that. Conniptions were had about it back then, I was there. I had conniptions.

@burakoshimazaki

9 ай бұрын

@@waltermalone216 I wasn't talking about how good or bad the games are.

In legend the expanded universe it did

Technically he didn't die. He transferred his soul to a clone body. This even happened in the books. Albeit, done waaaaay better. Palpatine was always thinking ahead, and was more open about the uses of the Force, even if most Sith didn't believe in the afterlife.

I mean old republic game did it so 🤷‍♂️

To be fair, the idea that Palpatine had a backup plan for the case he died makes sense, considering how paranoid, megalomaniacal and resourceful he was. In fact, that exact plot point was handled before in the EU... and just like Disney it was handled... badly, and the storyline remains controversial for a reason. But it's not because it couldn't be done (although I believe it probably shouldn't have been done), but rather because it was presented so freaking poorly that you couldn't take it seriously in any way, and while Ian McDiarmid's performance was entertaining as always, it was entertaining DESPITE the writing, not because of it.

We all just got rick rolled!

there is many examples of sith's spirits clinging on past death, palpatine is no different

This is basically your argument: *"Sith believe that there is no life after death, the opposite of the Jedi; they believe that once they die, that's it.* *So, if Palpatine dies, he's dead for good because that's what Sith believe.* *But Palpatine died and came back, which is not what the Sith believe.* *Therefore, Palpatine coming back makes no sense."* The issue is you are interpreting Palpatine's returning to life in another body as evidence of Palpatine believing in an afterlife. But Palpatine coming back from the dead (clone or not) is not the same as Palpatine believing in the afterlife. If anything, such actions CONFIRM Palpatine didn't believe in an afterlife. *CONSIDER:* The Sith don't believe in finding immortality through the Force (life after death or the "afterlife"); Jedi do. This is what separates the Jedi and the Sith, the spiritual vs the physical. Jedi reject the dark side, accepting the will of the Force to become one with it. When Yoda died, his spirit left his body. That was natural death. Shortly thereafter, his body followed. Like Kenobi, he had trained and accepted the will of the Force, and so his physical form became one with the Force, making him a Force Ghost. That is the "afterlife" which the Sith didn't believe in and the immortality they couldn't achieve. Sith cling to the dark side, which is why they can't ever become Force Ghosts; they are attached too much to the physical world and their own power. This is why everything is at stake if they die, and this is why Palpatine wanted to find the secret to cheating death. (And also why Force Ghosts are more powerful than Sith can imagine). Palpatine sought after immortality within the physical world, so, while literally projecting his spirit from his old body to another clone body by using his bloodline as an anchor did result in Palpatine dying because his spirit separated from his body, it was an unnatural death since Palpatine's methods with the dark side resulted in his returning in a clone body. That's not the same as the Force Ghost afterlife the Sith didn't believe in; It was just a transfer of his spirit from one physical form to another (and an inferior one at that; whereas a Force Ghost is more powerful than one can imagine, Palpatine became weaker, barely able to be considered a Sith Lord). Don't confuse the persistence of Palpatine refusing to let go of the physical world through another physical form as him believing in the ability to transcend death to become one with the Force the way a Jedi's spirit and body would.

So if you die you die…yea…no shit 😆

Still hate how they killed Palpatine he died by his own hand literally his own force lighting ended him the man that cause a war played both side with neither finding out a master of the dark side and lightsaber combat was killed by his own handing they did how starkiller did in the end of the force unleashed I would be fine since he would still have to shoot force lighting or he get fried while in ROS he could have pulled a saber and fought rey but they had to be to lazy for that

It still completely destroys vader as the chosen one. He destroyed the sith no matter what you make up. Vader was the last sith after he KILLED

The difference is, a person can actually survive with 3 degree burns and/or losing their limbs vs someone who got their gut slashed in half falling/spiraling down a fucking long ass shaft until going splat to his death, there is no coming back from that. No amount of fanboyism, fan fic, licensed fan fic, mental gymnastics can object to that.

this is even more funny with the Acolyte tv show and how it destroyed the lore even more.

Sam is 100% correct, but the argument this video posits is not. Sheev returning in Ep IX agrees with the Sith mentality, but it was executed horribly by JJ Abrams and co. Palps would want to cling on to the mortal plane and avoid death at all costs, even if it meant cloning his body and making stupid Snoke tanks. Only in this way can he maintain a grip on the power he amassed throughout the saga. Man, that Disney product was absolutely disgraceful.

LMAO

Geez

Bringing maul back is just as stupid as bringing palapatine back. Star wars is just not serious anymore.

@Mugen1501

Ай бұрын

Maul's death wasnt as much Important as palpatine's death with palpatine's death anakin got his redemption but it got destroyed because palpatine cameback just to get killed by himself. Mauls death was empty i guess his comeback was one of the best thing in clone wars he evolved many characters like ashoka,obi wan,bo katan we got good fights like maul and savage against obi wan or against sidous

I mean you could argue that this is why Palpatine in episode 9 actually works. As a Sith, he refuses to die even if it means being stuck in a clone body hooked up to all of that machinery.

@BeanbunnyA12235

Жыл бұрын

no Palpatine survival isn´t canon

What about Qui Gon He was only stabbed

@grimlord3181

2 жыл бұрын

He's not a Sith.

That's not true at all

they just proved why he actually would come back. You're making no sense

Nothing any of these guys said is related to palpatine or how is return is "terrible". Shit clickbait title

No? This is a bad argument for why Palestine returning makes no sense. Look, I don’t like it either, but we have to formulate valid critique, not just “Disney bad.”

This is exactly why it does makes sense for Palpatine to return. The Sith can't let go. Palpatine is basically being held by a gigantic mechanical arm. He is not alive. He is just trying really hard. He has two options in his mind: Kylo and Rey. If Kylo kills all the human connections he has (Han, Leia, Luke and Rey), he'll soon strike down Sheev like he tried with Luke and in this way, Palpatine not only gets a way to transfer his spirit, but also a way to take on revenge against the Skywalker bloodline. But when Leia disrupts his plan, he comes back to his plan B and tries to seduce Rey. In fact, I'd say he told Kylo about her heritage because he knew if she knew, she'd panic (But he didn't count with Luke's peep talk). He tries to get her to strike him down with two things: 1. Her blood. By assimilating her to him. This immediately fails. 2. The fact he got her parents killed. This also fails as she draws strength from their sacrifice. 3. The classic "You brought your friends here." She almost gives in to this. But there is something that sets him apart from who he was in Return of The Jedi: He saw what family can accomplish. He saw what Luke did to Vader, so because Rey has no other blood relative, he believes she is completely wrong. But this is the thing Rey learns and Palps fails to learn is that some things are stronger than blood. Her blood connection with him doesn't mean anything, but her connection to Ben, to her new family, to her teachers, to the Force, that means a thousand times more. It's what saves her. It's what makes her succeed and it's what saves her. It feels fitting to me that the line he used against her: "Your master Luke Skywalker was saved by his father. The only family you have here is me." is used against him through her actions. She reflects his own lightning, like so many tried before here and in that moment, the only thing Sheev has is himself. His doom comes because of his own power, his own hate and when he is desintegrated, it feels like his own self contained hate simply spreads throughout the church and destroys his own cult. Rey made the Sith destroy itself. That's the conclusion: Sheev is truly alone. The Skywalker family achieves immortality and even stops someone from dying, not by taking, but by giving. So Ben learns what Anakin couldn't in Revenge of The Sith: You don't have to kill the world for someone to live, you have to be selfless.

i thought you were a st shill

@Palpameme66

Жыл бұрын

Bruh.... 😅

@BeanbunnyA12235

Жыл бұрын

@@Palpameme66 the last time i was on your channel you defended the sequels

@BeanbunnyA12235

Жыл бұрын

@@Palpameme66 no response?

@Palpameme66

Жыл бұрын

@@BeanbunnyA12235 you defo not confusing me with PalpamemesYT, friend of StarWarsOnly? That guy IS a sequels shill...

@BeanbunnyA12235

Жыл бұрын

@@Palpameme66 yes i must have confused you with him

Palpatine’s return makes perfect sense and was an amazing choice.

@SefniAsheforr

2 жыл бұрын

Someone with that stupid name would say something that idiotic

@ReySkywalker2

2 жыл бұрын

@@SefniAsheforr No argument. Just Ad Hominem? Classic idiot.

@SefniAsheforr

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReySkywalker2 Not an ad hominem. I never said anything about argumentation, because you never made an argument. You just stated plainly that it made sense and was amazing. If you're gonna try to accuse me of ad hominem, try making an actual argument first. I had no argument to respond to, and the one making a positive claim must back it up with references. You made a positive claim that it made perfect sense and was amazing, but didn't justify it with any arguments. So I responded in turn; you're an idiot and your name signifies that. It's hilarious that anyone would unironically use that name and think it's cool lol. I'm not unconvinced you're a troll though with how many times you have commented on this video and how quickly you responded. Seems like you were waiting eagerly for people to troll.

@ReySkywalker2

2 жыл бұрын

@@SefniAsheforr Lmfao it’s literally the definition of an Ad Hominem. You said my argument was “stupid” based on something personal and superficial, such as my name. I’m not reading the rest of your ramblings bub, considering you don’t even know you’re using logical fallacies.

@SefniAsheforr

2 жыл бұрын

@@ReySkywalker2 You didn't even make an argument lol. Just a blanket statement.

This is proof that Palpatine’s return makes sense. Palpatine clung to life, desperate to keep surviving.

@sebganske1992

3 жыл бұрын

His body was literally disintegrated. There was nothing left of him...

@ReySkywalker2

3 жыл бұрын

@@sebganske1992 in ROTJ? No

@CaptainRockoBD

10 ай бұрын

@@ReySkywalker2yes…. He was disintegrated… he was thrown into a reactor shaft…. Tf do you mean “no”? What are you a diehard sequel lover? The movies were bad kid.

@ReySkywalker2

10 ай бұрын

@@CaptainRockoBD I mean, NO. We didn’t see his body disintegrate in ROTJ at all. We see him fall and then a poof of blue smoke appear. The Sequels are great, lil man. It’s the Prequels that are bad, bub.

@Commander_Shepard.

9 ай бұрын

@@ReySkywalker2 No George Lucas confirmed Emperor died in ROTJ. You have nothing kiddo.

Rules are meant to be broken, and George Lucas himself altered many, many things over the years, both on an ideas/outline/script level as well as literally retconning and altering the OT. The only thing that made the thoroughly underwhelming sequel trilogy remotely exciting was the announcement of Palpatine's return. Could it have been executed better? Yes. But Darth Sidious inclusion was the best thing about the ST--and that says a lot about the overall quality of the trilogy, unfortunately.

@sebganske1992

3 жыл бұрын

Rules are not meant to be broken, you fucking moron!

Palpatine’s return makes perfect sense though. He wasn’t reborn or resurrected. He survived. Like Maul except Palpatine’s survival actually makes sense, whereas Maul’s makes no sense.

@Palpameme66

4 жыл бұрын

Maul just fell Into some garbage and kept himself alive through sheer hatred long enough to use the force to create some new legs. He languished there for 10 years and went insane. He never died. His body was never destroyed. But apparently Palpatine ha ing his body obliterated and thrusting his consciousness into a clone that's also old and decrepit makes more sense than Maul just... not dying at all? ... sure...

@ReySkywalker2

4 жыл бұрын

Palpameme Maul didnt just fall into some garbage lmfao. He had his torso cut in half. Half his vital organs were destroyed. He had no stomach, liver, kidneys, intestines, etc. The amount of internal bleeding would’ve killed him instantly but even if he could survive that, all of his vital systems were destroyed. His digestive system, for example. Moreover, Maul fell god knows how far down that shaft which also should’ve killed him instantly. Palpatine’s survival MUCH makes sense.

@Palpameme66

4 жыл бұрын

@@ReySkywalker2 ok so first of all all your vital organs, being your heart and lungs, are in the top half of your body. That why people can survive without legs. That's not uncommon. People who have no legs from the waist down compete in the Olympics for goodness sake. Surviving being cut in half, while extremely rare, is still possible, even in our world. Falling down a pit while being electrocuted and then exploding in a blue wind and then the mid-sized station you fell into exploding is a lot harder to survive. Palpatine's body died. What's the point. Maul didnt. Keeping oneself alive long enough to build some spider legs is more believable than literally thrusting your own consciousness out of your dying body into a clone of yourself halfway across the galaxy.

@ReySkywalker2

4 жыл бұрын

Palpameme Lmfao. What?! I said HALF his vital organs and HALF of your vital organs are in the bottom half of your torso. Maul doesn’t just not have legs “for goodness sake”. He was cut at the torso. It’s not possible, at all, to survive without half of your organs. Stomach, intestines, kidneys, liver, etc. Palpatine’s survival, on the other hand, makes MUCH more sense. His body didn’t survive for starters, he simply used a new force ability to transport his spirit into a clone body. Using the force to thrust your spirit into a clone is far more believable than surviving the internal bleeding of being cut in half, surviving a fall of over 100 miles, surviving 10+ years with half of your vital organs missing (how the fuck does Maul eat, huh? He has no digestive system. Hell, his anus is missing XDXD) and surviving all the internal bleeding for 10+ years too. Just face it, Maul’s survival makes exactly ZERO sense, whilst Palpatine’s does.

@herbalwolfooo5413

4 жыл бұрын

@@ReySkywalker2 How's about this? They BOTH make no sense. Maul was bisected, Palpatine blew up. Why are we putting logic into this? It's a sci-fi world.