Sabarimala Row: Rituals Part Of Right To Religion?

A clash between the BJP and the Left has erupted in Kerala, as the state orders police action against thousands who blocked the entry of women of all ages into the Sabarimala temple. BJP President Amit Shah says he backs the protesters 100 per cent and will stand with them for protecting the traditions of the temple. At the same time, Arun Jaitley says the debate in India is similar to a global debate between constitutionalists versus devotees. Tonight, on Left, Right and Centre we ask, does our belief in the law of the land mean the rights of devotees to maintain Sabarimala's traditions is getting extinguished?
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  • @rakeshnair1385
    @rakeshnair13855 жыл бұрын

    Mr. Pinarayi Vijayan is Really Smart,Strong & we all Know a very Good Administrator. I doubt whether any other Chief Minister other than Mr. Pinarayi Vijayan would have handled the situation with iron fist. “Kerala BJP Goonda Party” & “MAD Devotees” are unable to perform “Crime” in the name of Lord Ayyappa. “Kerala BJP Goonda Party” is becoming weak day by day as both True Devotee & MAD Devotee started to realize its Agenda for getting votes by Polarizing the Devotees. Its time for all of us to Recognize/Realize MAD Devotees from True Devotees of Lord Ayyappa. MAD Devotees will take law in there hand,will come in a group for picnic,will dance,People who have lots of time to do timepass & chant or Shout Swamiye Sharanam Ayyappa Externally as if they are going for WAR etc etc. True Devotees will have only one connection,mind & soul that is Lord Ayyappa,nobody exists between True devotee & Lord Ayyappa,will take Darshan & go away Quietly by chanting Swamiye Saranam Ayyappa Internally etc etc. One Drawback with Mr. Pinarayi Vijayan is its inability to take action against “So called Tantris of Sabarimala” & “So called Pandalam Family”. Its High Time that Kerala State government should replace the Tantris of Sabarimala & take the Ornaments or Jewellery of Lord Ayyappa from the Pandalam Family. As Rightly Pointed out,Supreme court has no role in Rituals/Poojas BUT if Human being rights forms part of that Rituals/Poojas then Supreme Court has a Role to Interfere & direct the Future. So its Simple,Remove Human being rights from Rituals/Poojas.

  • @akshaymohan2287
    @akshaymohan22875 жыл бұрын

    the sc verdict on shabarimala is a historic one,which will be remembered for ages.Our future will show as "left"was always right by trying to implement the sc verdict in shabarimala.The government is not tring to force anyone to go there,but they are tring to protect women who wants to visit shabarimala from the rss goons.

  • @rajeshdeb883
    @rajeshdeb8835 жыл бұрын

    Govt should be drastic action against BJP goons,they try to create unrest condition all over condition,

  • @dbeacon159
    @dbeacon1595 жыл бұрын

    Save sabarimala

  • @KannapiranArjunan-vm2rq
    @KannapiranArjunan-vm2rq5 жыл бұрын

    The judgement reflects the spirit and essence of real Hinduism and the teachings of Lord Krishna. Messages from the Bhagavad Gita 1. “Progress and development are the rules of this Universe” : Things may not be the same, the way they used to be. Things and circumstances change. We should neither expect people, nor surroundings, not even society, to be the same. They all change with time. We move ahead. The Universe forgets old things and moves forwards, so do we. We should not stick to one place. That will make our existence much more problematic in this world. 2. “Accept the equanimity of life” : When you see all beings as equal in suffering and in joy, when you are rooted in the oneness of all beings, you cannot love or hate anyone because it is all part of the same thing. Lord Siva blessing us as Arthnareeswar ..I.e. gave 50% of his body to Sakthi and showed is there is no SIVA WITHOUT SAKTHI. WILL YOU PREVENT LORD SIVA FROM VISITING SABARIMALAI JUST BECAUSE HE HAS SAKTHI AS PART OF HIS BODY? ASLO PURANIC STORY SAYS AYYAPPAN WAS BORN TO KRISHNA AS MOHINI (WOMEN) AND SIVA. CAN BHAGWAN KRISHNA AS MOHINI VIST SABARIMALAI? Let we the true Hindus follow the teachings of Lord Krishna and not allow political parties abuse our wonderful religion (an escape route from Rafael Deal). Sathyameva Jayathae. SARVAM KRISHARPANAM

  • @kravikiran9308
    @kravikiran93085 жыл бұрын

    Why there are no boards to administer Christian and Muslim Religious institutions like churches and Mosques. If the govt wants to administer then why not other religions also. Why are that only Hindu temples, their finances, Job appointments, salaries, the administration is in govt control? Why not churches and Mosques?

  • @manzoorakhone9300
    @manzoorakhone93005 жыл бұрын

    If no one care supreme Court order rule of law than how our country will run .

  • @akshaymurthy1143

    @akshaymurthy1143

    5 жыл бұрын

    Manzoor Akhone If Supreme Court delivers proper judgement,it's not a problem.....They itself create Law and order problems...

  • @ahamasmiarinm
    @ahamasmiarinm5 жыл бұрын

    I don't understand how a communist can be on the discussion panel of a topic that is about religious beliefs and practices. One of the primary requirement from a person who believes in communist ideology is that he or she should abstain from religion and its practices. What should imply is that as he or she abstains from the "thing" itself, logically he or she should also abstain from commenting on the "thing". About the show and its host, I think only a fool would invite such a person to this type of debates and discuss hours on comments made by him or her on a "thing" which he or she himself or herself doesn't practice and believe in and has no experience of. Hats of to you and your show team.

  • @naniy7736
    @naniy77365 жыл бұрын

    I think that old woman was arrested for farting loudly in public place....

  • @gileadholiday
    @gileadholiday5 жыл бұрын

    Vishnu: please bring someone originally from kerala in to the debate panel . this two woman's always say against SC and kerala government. for counter debate please bring someone who can counter attack this two woman's . Rahul ishwer is the main problem creator in area of kerala .

  • @manzoorakhone9300
    @manzoorakhone93005 жыл бұрын

    These two women are aganist sc verdict ..what is this ?

  • @akshaymurthy1143

    @akshaymurthy1143

    5 жыл бұрын

    Manzoor Akhone Rights.....

  • @shreepadjoishi7922
    @shreepadjoishi79225 жыл бұрын

    it is transferred to Travancore only on condition of maintain rituals

  • @PeaceAkaShanti
    @PeaceAkaShanti5 жыл бұрын

    Both men and woman do Hajj at Mecca ( the holiest Muslim shrine) together. So why not Sabrimala?

  • @arunthampi8768

    @arunthampi8768

    5 жыл бұрын

    you can see Pigs from near by forest in Sabarimala.. how about in Mecca??? can they freely roam inside Mecca?? ... Both are different ball game brother Sabarimala is for Idol worshipers Mecca is not..

  • @PeaceAkaShanti

    @PeaceAkaShanti

    5 жыл бұрын

    Arun Thampi “If a woman of menstruating age goes to the Sannidhanam [sanctum sanctorum], it must be because of Ayyappa’s invitation,” who are we mere mortals to stop Ayappa’s wish? Ayappa manifested his wish to see all his beings of all ages via Supreme Court verdict

  • @arunthampi8768

    @arunthampi8768

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@PeaceAkaShanti Peace ✌️ If some one block them it also be Aiyyappa's wish.. Aippa restrict such ladies through them.. Who can oppose Aiyyappa's wish then...Kerala Government itself broke so many SC orders already... Let them implement it at first.... To protect our basic belief also be a legal right..Gender equality must be start from our homes, schools and workplaces itself...

  • @PeaceAkaShanti

    @PeaceAkaShanti

    5 жыл бұрын

    Arun Thampi So many traditions change is happening at Sabrimala..including conducting monthly Pooja, allowing men who count rupees to wear under garment, electrification, to adorning the whole Idol with GOLD , even changing the temple name in 2016 . Those are also against ancient customs. Why don’t people protest against those? Blocking women reeks of misogynistic behavior which does not suite modern Kerala. Hinduism has always evolved to match the times. Men aka Goondas who are blocking women are not real devotees, they are political implants and are acting against GOD’s wish. They will face wrath very soon. GoD is in peace and equality of all beings. Hinduism has always been progressive and evolved out of rotten customs like Sati, Dalit Temple entry ban. GoD seem to be very happy post these custom changes and will continue to be happy and divine post young woman’s visit.

  • @arunthampi8768

    @arunthampi8768

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@PeaceAkaShanti 😊 A communist can't hide his forged mind from public. It will come out... You are a Communist , aren't you??? A Devotee communist is same like a peace loving ISIS.. Both are Decoy , can't trust them.. I were a communist so I can understand it 😊..Government appointed 15 women police officers there at Sannidhanam all of them are aged above 52... why not a single younger lady officer in that group????

  • @fshs1949
    @fshs19495 жыл бұрын

    God look at the hearts .but ladies and gents can fart(pass gas) unlimitedly inside the temple. It is clean to p.p.

  • @pam4840
    @pam48405 жыл бұрын

    thank god finally Kerala will be free from CPIM as all exit polls predict congress in Kerala... Congress at least takes a path of consensus and doesn't behave like a goon always forceful and combative..

  • @shreepadjoishi7922
    @shreepadjoishi79225 жыл бұрын

    sathi we never heard from my great grandfathers time it is only a bad practice only few places

  • @abhishekyadav3380
    @abhishekyadav33805 жыл бұрын

    one last nothing is permanent in this mortal world neither supreme court nor democracy nor consitution.......Everything will be end....

  • @shreepadjoishi7922
    @shreepadjoishi79225 жыл бұрын

    whether communist govt minister do the rituals as they wish in temple

  • @rakeshnair1385
    @rakeshnair13855 жыл бұрын

    Supreme Court has taken a Historic Decision in Sabarimala where people will remember for ages. Supreme Court has only said,Women of all ages can Go ,it has not forced anybody. Blind faith,every Temple is different is false claim,is created by a group of Devotees to enhance that Temples Value or Business. Unless Lord Ayyappa himself comes & tells people that women aged 10-50 cant enter. Why I Say this is that there is not a single book or Granth or Rule book where Lord Ayyappas name is Mentioned,of course Supreme Court has Rectified all. 80% of Kerala Women are against Supreme Court law but what about 20% Kerala Women or what about 5% Kerala Women. Supreme Court takes care of that,say 20 % of Kerala women Unless Lord Ayyappa himself comes & tells,cant enter. WE have to Decide,Whether we have to move Forward in life OR Live in past by means of Blind faith created by “only Humans”. Do we all have to Witness ,When a Women aged Above 50 OR Less than 10 goes & takes Darshan of Lord Ayyappa,everybody in the surrounding looks with suspicion whether she has crossed 50 Yrs,which Acharam or Pooja are we Protecting. Will Lord Ayyappa be Happy to see this Phenomenon where a Human being looks at another Humanbeing with Suspicion. After Human being Rights or Human being First is addressed,we can have any no of Rituals or Poojas or Acharam ,if u want can create specific temple wise to Increase Business or Value.

  • @manojnair6146

    @manojnair6146

    5 жыл бұрын

    You do have a point. Appreciated, agreeable What most people are angry about is the absolute bulldozing of the decision by the states chief minister without taking people who have held this belief for generations. Then comparing his step to various historical social and religious reform in the past within Hindu religion. Those comparisons are completely erroneous. Reforms then came from within, were absolutely critical to the social order both economic, religious and cultural. Not at all like today. He definitely would not have used the same tone and tenor about any other religion is also not lost on the people. There is no secular democracy in the world which has exercised as much control on the affairs of the religion of the majority as much as India

  • @kmrao06

    @kmrao06

    5 жыл бұрын

    Matter is simple. No one is forcing you to visit sabarimala. But if you choose to go, then you must follow the rules. Or else don't go there. SC has no role in the rites and rituals of our temples. The temple is not being funded by tax payers money. So neither govt nor any court should meddle with its affairs, out of arrogance arising out of ignorance. Rights of no one are affected.

  • @Anapuzha

    @Anapuzha

    5 жыл бұрын

    It is man made, I agree, but let us do it with other religions, let the government control churches and mosques

  • @prithvithefanofindiancultu1765
    @prithvithefanofindiancultu17655 жыл бұрын

    I don't want to say about sabarimala.But I think when you are debating you need strong debaters on both side.I think padma pillai was calm and observed all ethics .this deepa quarells like a child and she has no proper information of her stand on debate .she personally attacks people.Padma was fine but please don't bring that child deepa

  • @andal143
    @andal1435 жыл бұрын

    In 1980 K.R.Gouriyamma was the spearhead of Communist campaign in State-assembly elections. There was a general perception that she would become the next CM, but the Communist party ditched her and mare E.K Nayanar the Chief Minister. The only reason was that,many in the party wasn't in favour of a 'Woman' leading the state. These people are now fighting for woman entry in Sabarimala

  • @akshaymohan2287

    @akshaymohan2287

    5 жыл бұрын

    how many congress mla are there in kerala assembly????. now there is woman cpm minister in the assembly.Stop telling lies sir

  • @andal143

    @andal143

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@akshaymohan2287 for yr kind information i am not belonging to any party. what i wrote about 1980s happening is not a lie you can enquiry of kerala previous data or ask any body of kerala who born in 1960s as they know well what happened in 1980s. or try to review news papers of that year.

  • @luckyilan
    @luckyilan5 жыл бұрын

    Its just like a feminist trying for her daughter's admission in a boys school just because the school is very good. - Samy Saranam

  • @sureshbabusekharan7093
    @sureshbabusekharan70935 жыл бұрын

    Mr/s. Rahul Eswar, why can't you take up some job to live your life instead of hoodwinking poor devotees.?

  • @cbrajeev
    @cbrajeev5 жыл бұрын

    Where did NDTV get this ignoramus Chopra from ?

  • @sree-gj6uj
    @sree-gj6uj5 жыл бұрын

    Pls we don't want sabarimala shrine to be opened...If women(10-50) comes to sabarimala. Sabarimala is not a tourist spot.....It's a divine following tradition for almost 1800 years.

  • @PeaceAkaShanti

    @PeaceAkaShanti

    5 жыл бұрын

    sree21195 In India Constitution is supreme law and the current verdict rules that article 14 of equality supersedes all other statues. In India.. you are free to practice your belief without causing harm to others. So those who don’t want to visit Sabrimala.. do not go, but, don’t stop others who want to go. Simple

  • @akshaymurthy1143

    @akshaymurthy1143

    5 жыл бұрын

    Peace ✌️ I wanna Worship Lord Ganesh in a Famous Temple in Delhi by Offering Non veg,So under Article Freedom of Religion and worship.....Can I do inside a temple..?

  • @PeaceAkaShanti

    @PeaceAkaShanti

    5 жыл бұрын

    United India Every one has a right to pray.. not to desecrate a place. If non-veg is accepted at Temple why not. ? There are temples across where non-veg is accepted. Are you alluding woman’s entry to Sabrimala equal to desecrating a temple? Are they “ Impure”? What’s your logic ?

  • @manojnair6146

    @manojnair6146

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@PeaceAkaShanti there is no concept of pure and impure , these are abrahamic concepts, a diety is worshipped in a particular way and that's that In Hinduism you can create your own diety and worship it in your own fashion.

  • @PeaceAkaShanti

    @PeaceAkaShanti

    5 жыл бұрын

    sree21195 “If a woman of menstruating age goes to the Sannidhanam [sanctum sanctorum], it must be because of Ayyappa’s invitation,” who are we mere mortals to stop Ayappa’s wish?

  • @brijeshxyz
    @brijeshxyz5 жыл бұрын

    Male speaking for womens rights and 2 females opposing it 😂

  • @sukarnop5689
    @sukarnop56895 жыл бұрын

    Dear friends, How many of us know what kind of metals are placed below the idol and what kind of energy is delivered in what form... Faith is built on science which we are unable to understand... Court has no right to hurt sentiments of millions

  • @rijothankachan95
    @rijothankachan955 жыл бұрын

    Deepa saying lies

  • @sree-gj6uj
    @sree-gj6uj5 жыл бұрын

    Indian Constitution-72 yrs Ayyappa hindu tradition-2000 yrs We don't want any court to involve in our hindu tradition matters.

  • @PeaceAkaShanti

    @PeaceAkaShanti

    5 жыл бұрын

    sree21195 Till 1991 women entered the temple . There is no mention of restricting female entry in the temple in any scriptures. Many women between the ages of 10-50 have entered the temple post 1991after paying bribe to temple high priest. Moreover.. the temple was started by local tribes and was taken over by current priest family in 1902. So clearly the temple was not conscreated as “ Nastika Bharamachari” inaccordance with Agama Shastra. Even if the lord is celibate.. why the burden to upheld that on woman? Don’t woman worship eternal celibate Hanuman across India and world? This is akin to Muslim custom of wearing Burkha to prevent men’s “ temptation”. Lord is all powerful and will be happy to see all his beings visiting and taking blessings. It is quite possible that Sabrimala verdict was Ayappa’s wish fulfilled.. who are we mere mortals to stop it? God is in equality of all beings.

  • @mahisher6332

    @mahisher6332

    5 жыл бұрын

    Rise Hindus ....wake up ...till when will you live under this humiliation from Muslims and Jesus crappers.... atleast start voting for a new party come together and unite .....3000 Hindus arrested? Have some self respect....

  • @joyalkurian693

    @joyalkurian693

    5 жыл бұрын

    Brahmins came to Kerala only by 800AD

  • @mahisher6332

    @mahisher6332

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@gauravsutar4443 same to you

  • @PeaceAkaShanti

    @PeaceAkaShanti

    5 жыл бұрын

    Mahi Sher Note: Sabrimala allows entry irrespective of religion/region/caste. So you argument about people from” other religion “ is invalid. Also, Rahna Fathima under “Ghar Vapasi” campaign changed her religion to Hinduism and her name to Soorya Gayathri. The communal forces are using her previous name to further communal tensions and discord.

  • @ajaywagh776
    @ajaywagh7765 жыл бұрын

    C for chopra c for chutiya

  • @anujacky541
    @anujacky5415 жыл бұрын

    Foolish ladki ....tumare liye tho Mandir open Kiya hai aur tum hi oppose Kar Rahi ho.......sahi bola gya hai....aurat ki aurat hi dhusman Hoti hai

  • @abhishekyadav3380
    @abhishekyadav33805 жыл бұрын

    its time to unite against supreme court......consitution is made for ease of human .....humans r not made consitution..

  • @mahisher6332

    @mahisher6332

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hindus should unite ....leave cast behind

  • @abhishekyadav3380

    @abhishekyadav3380

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@mahisher6332 i agree with u

  • @abduljaleel1709

    @abduljaleel1709

    5 жыл бұрын

    If women are given equal rights , how it effect your ease of life. (By guessing your nature of reply , i am giving a reply in advance, my take is, women should be given equal rights in society including all religions.)

  • @devinderkumar421

    @devinderkumar421

    5 жыл бұрын

    Checked with your mother ?

  • @abduljaleel1709

    @abduljaleel1709

    5 жыл бұрын

    Its for your mother also

  • @jobyjacob7248
    @jobyjacob72485 жыл бұрын

    Why don't you get another representative from Kerala govt ..clearly Chopra only has a broad view

  • @dbeacon159

    @dbeacon159

    5 жыл бұрын

    Look at your religion, Don't interfere

  • @mniranjan9509
    @mniranjan95095 жыл бұрын

    Now RssBjp proved to the Nation that they are not only against judiciary but also against women of India..

  • @manojnair6146

    @manojnair6146

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for bringing this to the notice of all the citizens who have voted for BJP and brought them to power in the center as well as majority of the states

  • @nr2811

    @nr2811

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hello delusionals, FYI all this incident has done cement BJP's position in India and possibly given them a fighting chance in Kerala. As for CPI (m), their future in Kerala and by extension in India is in question after this stunt.

  • @ryan63970
    @ryan639705 жыл бұрын

    Christianity is for everyone! But not everyone knows what love is. That’s why only few people become angels!

  • @akshaymurthy1143

    @akshaymurthy1143

    5 жыл бұрын

    rayan moti Im very sure you will Become a Devil

  • @arunthampi8768

    @arunthampi8768

    5 жыл бұрын

    That is why they are worshipping angel's Idol than Jesus and Jehova.. 😊

  • @sanandbabu-unni1498
    @sanandbabu-unni14985 жыл бұрын

    Dear Mr. Chopra..I dont know from which part of India You belong to .its not important...knowing about the subject is absolutely important...and that you dont have. All the points he makes are rubbish and therefore Please try to learn the subject from Padma Pillai.

  • @dheerajjadhav7827
    @dheerajjadhav78275 жыл бұрын

    BJP disrespecting SC

  • @geethujl6455

    @geethujl6455

    5 жыл бұрын

    Darth Vader they are sanghis

  • @sabur9772
    @sabur97725 жыл бұрын

    Bjp playing politics in shabarimala

  • @amutasivadas3732
    @amutasivadas37325 жыл бұрын

    Padma pillai or deepa eashwar r not the representatives of real devottes. In 1 discussion here in malayalam tv show, deepa told she represent hindu devotees. Who gave them d position?? N y in whole india, kerala alone hv a devaswam minister?? D dewaswam committee formed s jst for d safety of properties n ppl going der. Padma s actually so confused by dat concept.

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