Just quick note because of the A-50 vs S-200. Likely it was modified S-200. Likely S-200's Dubna missile is used with a different radar. Deploying on field then leave quickly with the original EQ would be impossible. Deploying on field then leave quickly with the original EQ would be impossible.

I've just discovered this channel and I'm impressed with the quality and detail of the videos, I have no idea how it is not more popular. Thank you very much for making them!

The 6th extra is available for the top tier level Patreon members. Short summary from is content: * a funny story with Nikita Khrushchev and the S-200 * some additional reference about missile loading and unloading * some diagrams about the missile performance (S-200D Dubna) * explanation of the very special 4 battery site at Vladivostok * non standard Libyan site and battery qty. * some words about the export to Syria * additional info the the proportional guidance * radar equation, explanation of the very long detection range compared to the S-75M * Short story of the failed Dal system

Truly a large and remarkable SAM system. Christ the equivalent of shooting a MiG-21 at up to Mach 5! A fantastic video good sir's.

@TT1ak

4 ай бұрын

It's actually garbage. You ate it without knowing what it was made of. I really feel sorry for you and people like you. You think you can pick good information out of a lot of shit, but you can't.

I do have to say that S-200 is an amazing long range SAM system. Poland still uses it. And while it has it's drawbacks, when it was introduced and with modernization it is still fantastic system. Only better one was what replaced it - S-300 and S-400. I look forward to your deep dive on this one.

It flys so fast it melts.

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

22 күн бұрын

Only in certain condition and it does not melt. The tensile strength is temperature dependent. The material long before the melting is distorted by the forces.

Very interesting again. Do we know why the Soviets took so long to export the S200? Seems like exporting it to countrys like the GDR/DDR could have been a major capability boost for the Warsaw Pact earlier

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

Ай бұрын

I guess the USSR needed so many that earlier was not possible. Another factor can be the cost. As I can recall for Hungary the two battery size SA-5B site had similar cost to 8-10 Volkhov SAM batteries.

Ай бұрын

@@militavia-air-defense-aircraft thx

The engine's operating programs are described incorrectly. Probably due to ignorance of the Russian language, the author misunderstood. As for the fuel dumping, this is a complete fiction. It cannot be misinterpreted. The engine works like this: 1st program - the video says that this is a constant thrust of 100 kN, which then decreases to 32 kN. In fact, the 1st program is 10,000 kgf for 43 seconds, and then reducing thrust to full fuel production within 6-16 seconds according to a certain law. The final thrust in this case can be from 3000 to 4500 kgf. 2nd program - according to the video, this is a constant thrust of 32 kN. In fact, the 2nd program is the initial thrust of 8205 kgf, which will decrease to 3200 kgf with a gradient of 97 kgf/sec and then remains constant until full fuel production. The 3rd program - according to the video, this is a constant drop. In fact, this is the maximum thrust for some time, which ranges from 0.2 to 50.8 seconds (the computer selects the exact value), and then it constantly decreases (97 kgf/sec) until the end of fuel production. Thus, this program provides a lot of options for engine operation. The 4th program is close to the second, but the engine enters thrust mode from 8205 to 10000 kgf, and then decreases with a same gradient to 3200. In all programs, the engine runs until full fuel production (more precisely, until one of the components is produced, since the components are not produced absolutely synchronously, and 1 or 2 kg of fuel or oxidizer may remain). The description of the application of engine's operating programs is incorrect. The fact that the destruction zone from below is limited by overheating is also pure fiction, not a misunderstanding. The missile is designed to operate absolutely reliably when heated to 830 degrees C, in fact, the temperature of the nose can reach 800 degrees during flight at hypersonic speed, and neither the body of the missile nor its systems have problems with heating. The height of the defeat, depending on the range, is limited by the range at which the missile's homing head can capture the target. The lower the target, the stronger the influence of the earth's surface and the lower the range. With an increase in the power of the illumination radar and the sensitivity of the HH (for example, the Dubna radar is three times more powerful than the Vega radar, and the HH is also more sensitive), the minimum height decreases over a long distance. Guidance method in the first half minute when flying to the far zone, the defeat is explained incorrectly. I won't explain here. There is a video on my channel where this is explained for the V-860. For the V-880, the algorithm is similar, slightly different. The boosters are made asymmetric not so that they "do not fly far away", but for this reason: the missile, during the launch, due to some asymmetry in the thrust of the accelerators, can acquire a slight rotation, and the boosters must separate so as not to hit the wings. Their aerodynamic shape prevents this possibility. They can't fly far anyway, because they don't spin like a projectile and start tumbling randomly in the air, instantly losing speed. Boosters fall about 4 km from the starting position, not 8. In fact, for 99.9% of KZread viewers, it doesn't matter what engine programs the S-200 has. Or why the destruction zone is limited from below. It doesn't have to be explained. But if you explain, then you need to explain correctly. Title of the video is correct. The S-200 is truly the king of all Cold War SAMs.

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

Жыл бұрын

"The lower the target, the stronger the influence of the earth's surface and the lower the range. With an increase in the power of the illumination radar and the sensitivity of the HH (for example, the Dubna radar is three times more powerful than the Vega radar, and the HH is also more sensitive), the minimum height decreases over a long distance." Oh, yeah, this is why is the highest the min. altitude of the system when the target is at 10 km altitude way above the radar horizon at 250 km eng. distance...

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

Жыл бұрын

Which missile type are we talking about here?

wikipedia states that the diameter for the sa-2 was 0.7m and csis states that the diameter for the css-8 (sa-2) was 0.65 m. How did you get the diameter of 0.5 m?

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

11 ай бұрын

Because different sources considers differently the measured item, the 1st / 2 nd stage i.imgur.com/vR9GVre.png 654 mm is the diameter of the booster stage 500 mm is te diameter of the traveling stage. When the video compares the V-755 with the V-860 family, the 2nd stage is the important thing not the booster. The V-860 has almost the same length as the V-755 was but its diameter was increased ---> more fuel and eq. = larger weight = longer kinematic range

great vid again. however, could you explain what "q" refers to with regards to engagement zones?

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

Жыл бұрын

q is certain degree. I have no idea why the original doc. used that letter.

@pistonssssss

Жыл бұрын

@@militavia-air-defense-aircraft russians usually took german words for technical terminology...

@snotcycle

Жыл бұрын

im unfamiliar with this term, could someone explain it in a bit more detail?

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

Жыл бұрын

@@snotcycle Simply the degree value shows you the limit of the engagement zone. Instead of many distance values an angle is defined as a edge of a certain zone depending on listed parameters.

@hedgehog3180

Жыл бұрын

@@militavia-air-defense-aircraft As in the horizontal angles the missile can reach without moving the launcher?

There are a lot of gross mistakes in the video. The engine operation is described incorrectly by 100%. It is unacceptable for a video claiming to be an expert video. Although it is presented as something based on documentation.

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

Ай бұрын

1. I never called myself expert. 2. I have the sources even on my native langue what matches what is in the original Soviet docs. It would be great to show YOUR sources...

@MSC-2023

Ай бұрын

@@militavia-air-defense-aircraft What is contained in your video has nothing to do with Soviet docks and technical literature. By the way, there is already a comment here with the correct description of the engine operation for all 4 programs. Read it carefully. That's how it works. I have written you an answer in which I have posted two web links to Soviet technical literature an hour ago. Now, for some reason, I don't see it. Comments containing web links are probably automatically deleted in your channel settings. Change the settings and then you will see the web links. For now, I'll just repeat the title of the page book. * Общие сведения о зенитном ракетном комплексе С-200 и устройстве ракеты 5В21А Pages 61 - 86 Or * Учебник "ЗРК С-200.Состав,принципы действия и боевые возможности Pages 234-256 I advise you to completely rework your video.

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

Ай бұрын

@@MSC-2023 I did not disable the links, YT is simply shit. :( You can send it to molnibalage@yahoo.com Thx.

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

Ай бұрын

@@MSC-2023 The co authors of video also used these... From here. historykpvo.narod2.ru/

@MSC-2023

Ай бұрын

@@militavia-air-defense-aircraft Yes, these books are also posted on this website. Go to the S-200 section, there you will find the section "Учебники и учебные пособия по системе С-200" ("Textbooks and manuals on the S-200 system"). There are both books that I named. You'll find them in one minute. Compare what is written there and what is contained in your video.

I watched this video after the A-50. I'm disappointed for the second time. I am Russian, who has access to Russian sources, I see that there are a lot of mistakes. For example, the flight of the S-200 rocket for the first 30 seconds does not happen at all as you say. There's a completely different algorithm, much smarter than you think. You're trying to refer to Russian sources, but obviously you can't understand them correctly. You lack knowledge of the Russian language or scientific training (or both). The funny thing is that poor viewers think they're watching deep tech videos. I feel sorry for them. Write about what you know for sure. Ask the experts if you don't know.

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

4 ай бұрын

Docs are here the base of the video. historykpvo.narod2.ru/ Pls. tell us what happen is the first 30 seconds considering the target range below 80 km and higher than 80 km.

@TT1ak

4 ай бұрын

@@militavia-air-defense-aircraft I know the docks are here. But they cannot be the base for the video, because they say something completely different. More or less than 80 km - it has nothing to do with the S-200 at all. The estimated flight time to the target is important there. If it is less than a certain value, the rocket will fly using proportional navigation. If the flight time to the target is greater than this value, the rocket flies for the first 30 seconds like this: it continuously measures the bearing angle to the target and continuously adds a constant value to this angle. Thus, the rocket goes up. And its rise depends on the flight of the target.

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

4 ай бұрын

@@TT1ak Thx. But even this small part of the video was not 100% accurate would it mean the whole video is low quality...? Pls. check the average 'quality' of any general YT video... Where the only knowledge what you had that XY has a radar and 0 functional and physical background explanation... (Can you show me the page which explains this guidance principle?)

@TT1ak

4 ай бұрын

@@militavia-air-defense-aircraft There are a lot of mistakes in the video. Some of them were already written to you in the comments a few months ago. Including the fact that the minimum destruction height depends on the influence of the earth's surface on the homing head. This effect increases as the distance increases, so the minimum height increases all the time. I wrote to you about it yesterday too. I have indicated a specific source. Now I don't see my comment. Either you deleted it, or algorithm of KZread deleted it for some reason. And I don't see what's the point now of confirming the guidance principle for the first 30 seconds if that too is deleted. But it's really the way I wrote it. As for the average quality of the video about military equipment on KZread - yes, it is low. But the mistakes in most videos are obvious and gross. This information is easy to verify. In your video, the mistakes are masked, they are more difficult to detect because of the apparent scientific presentation. If your channel has an educational purpose, then it won't do any good. People will simply not know that they are misinformed, they will be sure that now they know the truth. And this is much worse than if they realized that they were being given false information.

@militavia-air-defense-aircraft

4 ай бұрын

@@TT1ak"Either you deleted it, or algorithm of KZread deleted it for some reason" The second. It is strange that did that. Because I allowed links and YT system rather blocks whole comments if they contain certain type of links.