Great details, I think showing a bit of the cleaning and panting process would have been good.

@neymarmukori9077

2 жыл бұрын

Same, itd be nice to see more of the process

It has been a labour of love for me to paint the frame every autumn. Every spring, I paint also. However, I scrape, prime, sand, and then paint. It has been a labour of love since 1996.

Brother, your vids are amazing. Already saved me a lot of hassle and time. I have a 1999 TJ 4banger and I love it. Didn't get a deal like you but all the guys are amazed when I go up hills and thru ditches with ease. Only mod so far is 31 inch tires

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

It’s amazing how capable these jeeps are in stock form, I think the 4 cylinder doesn’t usually get the credit it deserves

Great video! I'm a first-time Jeep owner and just went through a frame restoration on my 1998 Wrangler SE (TJ) a couple weekends ago. On mine, I removed as much of the loose, flaky rust as possible. But instead of wire brushing everything real good, I opted to hit the entire frame and undercarriage with phosphoric acid to kill the rust and convert it to ferric phosphate, which is easy to paint. I then rattle canned the entire underside with Rustoleum Stop Rust Black Enamel. My TJ is going to strictly be a summer fun vehicle for our family. I intend to store in a climate-controlled garage over winter. So, I won't have to worry about corrosive road salt here in the Chicagoland area. Keep up the good work on your budget crawler. I am enthusiastically following along as I would like to make several improvements on my TJ, as well, but am also on a strict budget.

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

Nice! Haven't tried the acid method on a large scale like this, although I've restored plenty of tools using acetic acid (vinegar). Have always gone with the brute force removal method as I talked about here on anything larger than a hand tool. Tough to have a car and not drive it for 6 months of the year, but keeping this thing out of the salt is my plan as well.

@nancymoore7657

4 жыл бұрын

Robb? how did you force the phosphoric acid inside the frame? Thanks "Evapo-Rust needs to maintain contact with your rusted item for the chemical reaction to work. Fully submerging the rusty item in Evapo-Rust is the best way to achieve this. So you will need a container large enough to put the item in and fully cover it in Evapo-Rust."

@ulyssesplanas1768

4 жыл бұрын

Robb Walker is

@questioneverything1123

3 жыл бұрын

I wired brushed, cleaned scale and then spot treated with Phosphoric Acid over the past 2 seasons, to progressively work admittedly modest levels of rust down, cleaned, the used Rustoleum rust stop and painted. I have nearly no return rust... I used 3 cans of Eastwood internal frame [crossed my fingers] am about to do one last treatment with P.A. will clean, prime and finish paint. I am reluctant to use any rust proofing yet (to seal the surface) I do like the idea of oil based rust proofing either Fluid Film or N.H.O.U. as a finish.

How are we supposed to learn from this video if you don’t film the main part which is the rust removal?

Hey excellent video and job. I also use the internal frame coat. Worked great on my 89 K5 Blazer. I Waxoyl the undercarriage. That was 11 years ago. Still rust free and daily driver.

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Haven't used waxoyl before. How often do you apply it?

Looks great honestly nice work

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Great Vid! Have the same issue with the gloss paint, so, what I do, is use the gloss paint first, then go back over the gloss with a matt coat, that gives you the better rust protection, along with the benefit of the matt finish hiding more of the scaling.

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Great tip! I've done that a few times.

@guusberkhof8429

3 жыл бұрын

How did the combination with the top paint hold up?

I live on the coast and after many year of fighting rust some one told me about boiled lynseed oil. Its the best stuff I have ever used, its cheap doesn't flake off like paint and soaks into bad rusty spots that can't be reached. I recoat my chassis once a year inside and out for and have no rust issues now

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Good to know. I've had similar results with Fluid Film.

This is inspiring me to start working on my trucks frame. Nice video.

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, good luck!

NH oil undercoat is the best I have ever found. Saved my 4x4 7.4 L diesel adventure van and getting it applied to my TJ now. IT's an oxygen barrier and flows in-between the body joints, never drys out and stops all rust.

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

I think that’s similar to Fluid Film, which I use on all my cars and have been very impressed with

My 2015 JKU was already showing signs of rust everywhere underneath her, so I’ve already started protecting anything I see by cleaning as well as I can and spraying with industrial strength ant-rust paint. It looks so much better and I hopefully stopped the cancer.

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

Can be a tedious process but it's well worth the effort in the long run!

Nice work! Thanks for the video.

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I applied hard wax undercarriage and did several coats. Then used inner cavity wax which is a thinner blend lighter weight for rockers, doors quarter panels. It flows in and seeps into the pinch welds. Both hold up really well but once a year you can check undercarriage areas swearing off. Mine has been holding up and barely any touch ups. I usually check every time I have change my oil.

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Great to hear. Would be nice if manufacturers used more cavity wax during vehicle production.

Probably one of the most realistic videos on saving a frame from rot.....drain hole and spraying the inside of the frame with an oil treatment is spot on.....I would go through and spray the inside of the frame once a year and touch up any outside frame rust.

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

That's been my annual fall routine for the past 10+ years since discovering fluid film, best method I've found so far for frame preservation!

@charlesdesurne4696

2 жыл бұрын

@@dironaa seems to be working great for you ,year after year .

Thanks for making this video. I just picked up a 04 TJ that I want to do some rust removal/preventative work on. I've never done anything like this before so your video was very helpful. If you do anymore I'd appreciate your recommendations on rust preventative products. I'll probably do some more research but may just end up going w/eastwood products.

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Eastwood seems to make good products but they’re pricey. Speaking from experience I do not recommend their internal frame coating unless you don’t plan on driving your jeep in the rain/snow ever again. Without removing the frame and having it chemical dipped there is no way to properly prep the inside surface, which means the paint won’t stick properly or uniformly. This will result in some parts of the paint job starting to lift, creating pockets that hold moisture and rust out your frame even faster than in had done no painting. In short my recommendation is to prime (preferably etching primer) and paint the outside of the frame then coat the inside with fluid film. If you live in an area where road salt is used and don’t want to paint the frame again is also use fluid film on the outside after painting, but let the paint cut for a few months before coating with fluid film. Also make sure you drill some drain holes in that frame!

Doug Yankunas I just put 2 gallons of fluid film into my 2003 fully restored/rebuilt Grang Cherokee. I spayed behind all panels, inside the frame , any little hole I could find inside my doors too. Inside the hood , tailgate etc you get the idea . We’ll see how it holds up The is winter in salty Wisconsin. Btw. I painted everything underneath with Eastwood platinum before the fluid film

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Fluid film is some great stuff, I think it'll do well.

NICE TJ! Many thanks for taking the time to share your experience. I also find it interesting to disassemble something and realize that I'm the first person to see (X) item since the Jeep was built. Makes me giddy. Your vid will be very helpful while I continue to clean my (recently-purchased) '01 TJ and consider the order of operations and options. I'm with you; I'm not building a show TJ. I just want a nice-looking driver that's gonna last. A huge thanks from Ohio, my friend.

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I hear you...almos a shame to cover things like that up with new paint!

wow, i can see why you put it off as long as you could. thats a ton of work! really came out very nicely though.

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@ryansremark6983

3 жыл бұрын

@@dironaa how did you tackle the internal side of the frame? I did the drain holes as you mentioned, the outside of my frame seems good but there is rust flakes inside. Did you just do the fluid film?

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryansremark6983 I duct taped a 3' section of garden hose to a shop vac and sucked out as much as I could. You can tap the outside of the frame with a hammer to try braking loose any flakes on the inside walls of the frame too.

@ryansremark6983

3 жыл бұрын

@@dironaa okie. And after that did you just do fluid film internally or a rust converter like corroseal before fluid film? I've heard that Eastwood encapsulator is trash cause of moisture build up.

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryansremark6983 Just fluid film. I tried the eastwood internal frame coating years ago but didn't like it for the reason you mentioned.

Looks great !

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I just bought a truck that has no where near as much rust as this and I was worried. This gave me confidence to tackle the job.

Looks amazing man nice work 👍

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

I kno u received some guff for not showing the details nonetheless I’m glad to see someone who does a job right. So many only care about “visible mods” but u do a complete job that isn’t easy or has glamorous results, but are intended to preserve the life of a vehicle. I for one appreciate the thorough and extra effort! Really helpful. I’ve been following ur build from the start and tho it’s way out of my league, you provide so many great tips that I hope to incorporate. Way to be.. keep it coming and keep the faith!

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Can’t build a house without a good foundation.

doing this now. i also had the idea to add some weep holes to the frame and rad support. the few factory drains are cupped up which do not let all the water out.

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a terrible design from the factory

Wellp that was just a video of you talking. Didn’t show one second of rust removal. Misleading title

@bewbathis_3211

4 жыл бұрын

Welp. This is just a comment of you bitching. Not so much misleading. But definitely a useless comment.

@jaybradley100

3 жыл бұрын

Bewbathis he’s right Wasted much of his time explaining about how to take a Jeep apart Useless information unless you are disassembling a Jeep.

@nathanbebinger3202

3 жыл бұрын

jaybradley100 i mean its pretty self explanatory on how to remove rust when he mentioned the tools he used and he gave good insight on what to do and what not to do. Better than not posting a video at all, right?

@AimingWanderously

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, talking and pointing at things, then they magically are painted. But to be fair, he didn't say it was a how-to, just a restoration so I guess the title is accurate, it does the restoration just not it happening.

@JP-ec9rl

7 ай бұрын

Using a needle scaler and wire brush is usually pretty self explanatory.

Was keen to see the rust removal and painting haha, but turned out great!

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Thank you so much...Love from India...Gonna try this on my Suzuki Gypsy (Jimmy)

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Great!

Excellent video.

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

+1 on fluid film, I winterize my truck underbody with that yearly, fantastic lubricant as well

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

Have yet to find a better rust preventative!

@kurtnulf3362

2 жыл бұрын

@@dironaa Try Woolwax

Might as well have just shown before and after pics

@kenyatisgriffin2935

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Looks good, I want to preserve my frame. Thanks

@dironaa

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. It’s worth the effort!

Looks good for what you started with. We use a coating called Rust Mort to paint the frames with.

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

Cool, haven't heard of that but will check it out!

@tigger126

4 жыл бұрын

Haven’t seen Rust Mort in years. Where do you get it?

Never knew a tjs sway bar was mounted on the frame behind the bumper on the top side like that. And was that a brake line running parallel with it!? Sorry i own an xj and a wagoneer and would like to buy a tj like this one eventually.

Excellent video. I have an 02 TJ that needs some frame work. No factory drain holes. What size drain holes did you drill? How did you flush the dirt and rust scale from the frame interior? Thanks for your help!

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

I taped a section of garden hose to the end of a shop vac hose to suck everything out. Here’s a video showing drain holes: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hWGty7iJlLmdoM4.html

Good video! I've done the same thing on some vehicles, and have done some full frame-off jobs (which is a lot more work), and I must say that in most cases what you have done is more than sufficient.

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Fluid Film works incredibly well on our salted roads up north.

3:45 - Notice the "A" parking sticker from the North Beach neighborhood of San Francisco? That jeep spent some time around salt suspended in fog! There's also a good chance it was taken up to Tahoe in the winters too. May I ask where you acquired it?

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for he info. Previous owner lived in San Fran for a while before moving to the east coast where I bought it from her

Nice job. I'm planning to do the same soon

@dironaa

4 ай бұрын

Good luck!

Awesome video great narration! Subbed!

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and welcome!

Man that frame looks really good

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

10 years in California, 8 years in the salty north. Can only imagine how nice it would be with all 18 years in California!

@11bangbangshaw93

4 жыл бұрын

Dirona what gloss paint did you use??

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Used Rustoleum "Professional" enamel

Great video!!! I was thinking about Fluid Film and drain holes from the beginning,you covered it. Thanks

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, great minds think alike!

Thoughts on POR15 for frame preservation?

Fantastic video! Appreciate the details. I'm looking at purchasing a vehicle that came from up north in the salt belt but I will have it down in the deep south where there are no salt trucks or crazy winters. Having said that, the body is in perfect condition but the undercarriage is pretty bad with rust considering it's only 3 years old and 45k miles. Do you see any long term issues with that kind of rust? No perforations, just a LOT of surface rust similar to this video. Thanks for any thoughts.

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Having owned rusty vehicles my entire life I'd highly suggest not buying it if you can buy one without rust instead. 3 years isn't too bad but it's long enough that you're probably going to be dealing with rusty bolts for years down the road. Once rust starts there's not stoping it, only slowing it (with paint and fluid film like in this video).

Thanks for the video

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

No problem!

I’m trying to do a similar build. I recently got a killer deal on a 98 TJ 4.0. It’s already has a 3” lift. Right now my plan is to up grade steering and axles. I’m really curious what the exhaust leak you mentioned in a previous video ended up being (if you fixed it). I have an exhaust leak that seems to be coming from the same place but only hear it when the engine is warm and can’t seem to figure for sure if that’s where it’s coming from.

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

Nice! Haven't fully diagnosed the exhaust leak on this Jeep yet, but it sounds awfully similar to a cracked exhaust manifold I had on a previous Jeep.

If you purchase a plumbing pipe cleaning spring, these can come in 3 or 4 metre length's, you can cut this in shorter bits and use it with a drill, you can drill sections of the frame and push the spring inside the frame attach the drill and this will clean inside the frame. Just use a air line in the holes to clean out any crap and scale.

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Great tip, thank you!

Skipping the actual rust removal in a rust removal video has me rustled.

Very nice job maybe I should keep going on my jeep 01 wrangler .I bought a gallon of chassi saver and paint it on in some spot.i hope it help what do you think

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

The only way big jobs get done is a little at a time. Keep it up and you'll have the whole thing painted before long

I clean the inside of the frame and cross members with a pressure washer sewer jetter. Then it will dry until the next day, and then I spray the insides with a penetrating oil wax.

use a dremmel and cut into the heads of the screws and you can use a flathead to remove

@firefighteruppy9121

4 жыл бұрын

Hhhmmmmmmm... I'm going to try that on my stripped out torxs on my CJ tailgate hinge.

@matthewsipe8905

4 жыл бұрын

Thats a good idea....

@ericg4915

2 жыл бұрын

That's a good idea. If that fails then just use a drill and drill them out. Put regular bolts in after. I hate those things

I am going to do the same thing this summer to my 98 Jeep Wrangler

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

Well worth the effort!

So much work and no one can appreciate it until they have done it the right way. You really should have used a rust encapsulator especially with all the prep you did. Happy to see you disassembled a lot to get to the areas and into the hidden rust. It takes so much time to do it right not just spray the crap rubberized undercoat. Inside the frame is also just as and even more so to preserve it since it will continue to rusts inside out.

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

That's for sure. Rust encapsulator would have been a good option too but I've also had decent luck with the rustoleum rattle cans I used instead, since we went down to bare metal and essentially removed all of the rust. Although not always feasible, I generally try to live by the phrase 'do it right or not at all', which usually makes for more work in the short run but the extra work usually pays dividends down the road.

Really helpful! I’m about to undertake this project for my LJ. Thanks so much for the details and the video!

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

My pleasure. Good luck!

Great video. I love your Jeep. By any chance would Rust-Oleum work for a complete undercoat?

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I would advise against using Rustoleums "undercoating" spray, but as for regular Rustoleum spray paint it certainly could as long as everything is prepped properly

@DanniDezno

2 жыл бұрын

Rust-Oleum Rusty metal primer works really good it can be sprayed on, but you gotta cut it, just brush it on looks awesome

Could you include links in the description for the products you used? Planning on getting fluid film, but would be nice to have a direct link to the spray and also an appropriate wand attachment

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

I would buy a case of 6 or 12 spray cans on eBay, my local Napa Auto Parts sells fluid film as well. As for the wand, the one I use came with a can of Eastwood Internal Frame Coating (which I don't recommend using) and I don't think they sell the wand separately, but I bet if you search around in Amazon or eBay you'll find something similar.

Wow man. Great job. All that rust makes me sick! I live in Colorado and have a little Offroad trailer that I’m going to clean up and I thought the rust was bad on it. You did a great job in this

@DJR5280

2 жыл бұрын

Do your vehicles have any rust

@Colorado4x4

2 жыл бұрын

@@DJR5280 not like this! Just little bit from the winter salt. But here it doesn’t stay snowy all winter, so it will snow and then get warm so I always spray everything off real good after it warms up after a snow

@DJR5280

2 жыл бұрын

@@Colorado4x4 I actually live in Broomfield. I was just curious if your vehicle has rust. My Tahoe has some frame rust and it's annoying me. Just surface and easily cleanable but still. Not used to seeing a lot of rust here

@Colorado4x4

2 жыл бұрын

@@DJR5280 oh cool. We live in Caste Rock. How old is the Tahoe? I haven’t seen too much rust on my vehicles here. Just a little bit of surface rust but I always wash the car after every snow storm once it dries up to get the chemical off of it.

Dirona ? if doing this to a stock TJ, is there a way to temporarily lift the body from the frame, or would a body lift need to be installed and then removed after the paint dries? Thanks in advance

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

If you watch the video I did on installing the body lift, I don't see why you couldn't temporaryily do something similar with a few small blocks of wood (2x4 maybe) just while you're prepping and painting. But that's just a thought, proceed at your own risk

Rust removal and paint primer methods are always welcome. Sometimes you find new tips

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

Nice vid. What did you do for clearing out the rust flakes and debris from the internal parts of the frame?

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

Cut a 4' +/- section of garden hose and duct taped it to the end of a shop vac hose. The garden hose is just small enough to fit in the factory holes in the frame. Had to stick a screwdriver in the frame to break up some of the larger pieces so the shop vac could pull them out.

@connor3288

3 жыл бұрын

Hammer the frame everywhere, an airhammer with blunt end attachment would be better, use screwdriver/prybar and hammer to break up rust inside the best you can, go through holes in the side of the frame, the worst spot on my 04 was in front of the rear wheels before the frame bends up. Then get a flexible magnet from harbor freight, the red one they sell, and fish it back and forth throughout the frame. I probably removed pounds of rust from inside my frame. Also make sure to drill drain holes and oil undercoat inside when done with the flexible spray can wands you can buy.

You mentioned you got the paint at Walmart. Can you provide the brand name and if you recommend using it again? How is the frame holding up? Cant wait for the next video!

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

Its Rustoleum "Professional" enamel, I use it on most of my projects. It works great for the price. Frame is holding up well! Hopefully more videos coming over the winter

Would love to know how you clean all the rust off after the wire wheel usage.

@dironaa

6 ай бұрын

Wire wheel was the last step before etching primer

@vigilantemotors

6 ай бұрын

Aaron I think what you are asking is how to get all the dust off. If you are able, rinse it off with a hose. If not, air will work too. You dont want to start adding anything till the question in part if fully clean and dry.

Looks great. What paint/primer do you use on the exterior of the frame.

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Rustoleum "Professional" spray paint off the shelf from Walmart.

@Jeepdriver75

3 жыл бұрын

@@dironaa has any rust came back through? Also check out KBS cavity wax for doing the inside of the frame.

@alf1991

3 жыл бұрын

Va

@oh_look_bananas

2 жыл бұрын

@@dironaa did any rust come back yet?

is there a specific spray paint you use that you've noticed works better with preventing rust from coming back?

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Fluid Film is the best coating to prevent rust. If you live somewhere with road salt I'd clean up the frame with a wire wheel, coat with Rustoleum etching primer and black enamel, then top coat with fluid film after the paint has cured for a while.

good job.

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

High temp paint works well on brake calipers and drums.

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, good tip!

How long does it take to dry completely??? Wish you would've showed us a little bit of how you removed the rust but your effort is much appreciated...

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. The paint I used took a couple weeks to fully cure but there at paints out there that dry faster

What paint cans did you use?

Hi, this video was very useful for me in the sense that I have a 1995 Mitsubishi Montero sr and they have the same frame style as the Jeep Wranglers. I was wondering where there would be good spots for holes where the water can escape rather then sit inside and cause more rust. I’d love to hear your advice, thank you.

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Good to hear. Ideally you’d want drain holes at the lowest points on the frame. Here’s a video where I covered drilling holes on a jeep: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hWGty7iJlLmdoM4.html

@DanniDezno

2 жыл бұрын

Oh God those Montero's like come from the factory rusty lol

@kadent7320

2 жыл бұрын

@@DanniDezno Yeah

Finally, a person who seems to know how to treat undercarriage rust on youtube. A lot of bad info out there these days. But even you admit that this is not a perfect job and that a perfect job might not ever be possible. In the off chance that you read this, how many years do you think a frame with this level of treatment will hold up against rust?

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

If the vehicle is driven on salty roads in the winter you're going to see some rust coming through within a year, but it probably won't look like it did in the beginning of the video for at least another 4 or 5 years. But that's assuming you paint it and do nothing else to it...if you coat the frame with a good coat Fluid Film inside and out annually (just before road salt season) I could see it lasting indefinitely. That being said, if you don't live with road salt or large amounts of humidity a paint job like this will last for a very very long time...you'll just be left dealing with the rusty bolts and everything else that's rusted on the vehicle.

Yes Fluid Film is Boss.Sprayed my old pickup a few years ago and i can see where it creeped and walked to the outside paint on my rear bumper and other rusted area's.

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

I won’t use anything else!

@angelgarcias7328

3 жыл бұрын

Hi whare can buy it the fluid sprayer go old school car need to do it thank s much

@stephenyoutubin4476

3 жыл бұрын

@@angelgarcias7328 I got it at Advance Auto here in Massachusetts but you can buyit on Ebay or Amazon easily.

Heya just out of curiosity how long do you think it’ll take before you need a touch up! Cheers

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

The answer to that is highly dependent on where you live and what conditions you drive in. If you live in the desert you’ll never need to touch up. If you drive on salty roads for half the year like I do you will need to touch up annually

What kind of spray did you use? Wanting to use the same exact kind on my truck. Thanks in advance.

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

Used Rustoleum "Professional" enamel from Walmart. I generally prefer to use an etching primer under it.

A tip: When jacking, use a a bit of plywood between the bottle jack and the frame. Steel on steel is bad because it can slip off the jack.

@jojoo9513

5 жыл бұрын

Its true, and dangerous

Looks good and thanks for talking about the importance of wearing a respirator, there are so many videos out there with people sanding on cars breathing in dust, not good

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, too many people underestimate the importance of PPE

I wanted to see the needle tool ! ! !

Using a poly disc wheel pad will work well to remove the rust. It does not leave the scars like the wire cup.

@thicok4555

3 жыл бұрын

Wait really

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

They work well for stripping paint and removing surface rust but I've had better luck removing heavily pitted rust with the wire wheels. I do agree with you though, they would have been good to use for some parts of this job. The only down side is they seem to wear down much quicker than wire wheels and the ones I've been buying are a little pricey.

Normally, you'll see a paint pen mark to show that an item has been fitted, and then checked. For example, someone's process may be fitting 10 bolts and then having to torque them....once done, they will paint mark the bolt. You might see two different coloured paint marks; that is because the bolt may get torque checked again further down the line.... especially if it's a 'safety critical' item.

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting, thanks for the info

Can’t decide between doing this or waiting to do frame stiffeners and painting it all after on my jeep Cherokee!

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

Can't hurt to put the stiffeners over clean steel!

@SomeGuyOutside

2 жыл бұрын

@@dironaa it certainly can’t!

Great video!! What paint did you use? Great tip on drain holes and film fluid 👍🎥👍

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, used rustoleum self etching primer and rustoleum “professional” gloss black paint

@johnnycortez46

2 жыл бұрын

@@dironaa When using the Rustoleum products u Advice NOT to use the "undercoating" spray correct? Just the regular gloss or matte paint

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnycortez46 Correct. I prefer to use something thin that will flake off in the event that it begins to fail. If undercoating or bedliner begins to fail it’s rigid enough that it will stay attached to the surrounding material and create a pocket for water to get trapped

Good job what I would have used is Rust-Oleum bed liner spray it's a lot more durable than pain in holds up but living on the East Coast that is what happens to vehicles and that's just one of many reasons I want live on the east coast ever again

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

True! In my opinion bed liner is actually too durable, meaning that if any of it fails and starts separating from the frame it won’t flake off and expose the steel underneath, instead it will form a pocket for water to sit in

So you did not apply an etch and metal prep before painting?

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

I applied etching primer then sprayed the black paint over the etching primer

Did you spray or brush? I'm looking at brushing as you can get into so many more tighter areas and Im not worried about the finish looking super smooth

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Sprayed with an aerosol can, gives better coverage in hard to reach areas

@JoshRD

3 жыл бұрын

@@dironaa Guess Im gonna have to buy some equipment, bought an expensive can or POR 15

Try P B Blaster surface shield, I was a fan of fluid film for years until I tried P B Blaster. It is a noticable difference, now aI only use Fluid film in a pinch.

@dironaa

6 ай бұрын

I’ll look into it, thank you!

Those brake drums come have done with a clean while you had the wheels off

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Rather than paint the drums I choose to replace the whole axle LOL. Video coming soon...

Man I've was just looking and some people have said that thats undercoating will trap moisture and continue the rusting , do yoi find that to be true ?

@BigIron357

5 жыл бұрын

Depends what you use. But, even if you encapsulate the rust. It wont have an oxygen supply to rust. POR15 grabs that moisture and prevents further damage. I dont know much, but from research that's what I've acquired.

What products did you use? Rust converter? Primer? Topcoat?

@dironaa

Жыл бұрын

Rustoleum self etching primer and rustoleum gloss enamel. The price of these pants has more than doubled in the past few years so if i were to paint it again I’d look into using Eastwood products instead

The joy of living in a salt state! Why go out and enjoy the weekend wheeling or camping when you can spend the weekend fixing rust! Why do we do this to ourselves? Why not just move to a state that does not destroy or vehicles a few years after purchase. Good hard work you did. Have been there before. I also drilled holes in the bottom of my TJ to help clean it out.

@stanleysgill

3 жыл бұрын

If you buy a new jeep, or vehicle, do yourself a favor, do not get it rust proofed with undercoating, it will cause it to rust worse in the long run.. you are better off not doing it and just subscribe to a carwash and run though a couple times a week.. But even better than that, buy a case of COSMOLINE and spend a weekend while your vehicle is new, and coat everything under it in this stuff and nothing will ever rust.... Remove panels and inner fenders and get it everywhere, inside frames , frame holes, doors, anywhere it would rust.... It is much easier to do before it rusts than to remove rust like this and i did later then treat.. it is such a PITA

Please describe what the Fluid Film does in more detail?

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

It coats the steel with a thin layer of 'oil' that prevents oxidation (i.e. rust). Its a self-healing coating that will creep to nearly fully cover any steel you apply it to. It does need periodic reapplication (yearly or every other year typically)

Corrosion X is the best corrosion product you can buy. The military and Navy uses it, so you know it works, and works very good. It's a fluid thin film oil product, best when spray with air sprayer.

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

I'll have to look into it, thanks for the suggestion!

Do you suggest fluid filming the outside of the frame?

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

what spray paint did you use? does it matter what kind or what base it is

@dironaa

Жыл бұрын

I used rustoleum “professional” enamel over rustoleum self etching primer, only because of the price point and ease of availability at the time. The price of rustoleum has almost tripled in the last 3 years so I’d probably look at buying Eastwood paint instead at this point. Some Eastwood paints aren’t compatible with self etching primer, but if compatible that’s what I prefer to use.

The issue with painting over the frame is when you go to sell the car and the buyer sees the "repainted" frame and then wonders WHY it was painted over ... and generally its to cover over the rust. Then you dont know if they just painted over the rust or cleaned it down 1st like you did and then painted over. But one heck of a job ...

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I'll usually walk away from any car that has had a frame repaint. Luckily I don't plan on selling this one!

I have a 2009 4Runner, and I want to fully redo the frame and metal parts. My concern is the inside of the frame. Since this cannot be seen, nor can I clean it out properly, Im not sure how to do this so I can spray it. Because from what Im aware, you need to clean off the rust inside before applying any sprays - because if you don't, then you'll just trap in the moisture even more, rusting it out faster.

@dironaa

5 ай бұрын

You don’t need to clean the inside if you apply an oil product like Fluid Film or NH oil undercoating. An oil will soak into the crevices and irregularities and prevent water from accumulating

Wow glad I live in Florida not a speck of rust on my 98 wrangler.

@dironaa

5 жыл бұрын

Must be nice!

I started pumping used oil in the frame I put foam in the side holes and filled both sides if your frame is not rusty yet it will be , mine had zero rust 2 years ago now one side is showing but until I can get to it the oil will stop it from getting worse!

@dironaa

3 жыл бұрын

Old school method, tried and true!

Right on! Fluid film is amazing stuff i use it all the time. I also mix a can in a can of antiseize and use it for lubing brakes and when I change ball joints tierods and behind my rims so they always come off easy. I swear by both fluid film and antiseize 👍

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately both are a fact of life in the northeastern US. Fun fact: I don't use thread lock on exterior bolts, I just install them without antisieze and let the rust do its job.

I know you probably said, but what paint did you use?

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

Rustoleum "Professional" spray paint, right off the shelf from Walmart.

Thanks for sharing. Appreciate the input on the internal frame as well. Curious how you clean the wand from the internal 360 sprayer?

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. I put the wand on a can of brake cleaner and give it a quick squirt to clear out the fluid film

goood job

@dironaa

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

looks good. how much would you charge a customer for this job?

@dironaa

4 жыл бұрын

One million dollars. I hate doing this work! But in all seriousness you may have a hard time finding someone to do this type of work. If you aren't looking to do it yourself I'd probably leave the frame how it is look for somewhere to have fluid film applied over whatevers there now (many welding shops and some mechanics apply fluid film in my neck of the woods)

How has it held up??? Need to know!

@dironaa

Жыл бұрын

There ware a few small spots that I didn’t prep well enough that eventually needed touchup, but overall it’s held up very well