People don’t understand there’s a difference between having a core audience and having casual fans. Casual fans will listen to your songs cuz it’s recommended or in a playlist. They’ll like IG posts, retweet, and go to a festival to see you and 50 other artists. But that’s not REAL support. The core audience will go out of their way to buy albums, merch, vinyl, and tour tickets. Playlists and algorithms won’t stop a core fan from supporting.

@Bylug706

Жыл бұрын

That not true. I’m a real fan of many artist but I’m not buying albums or merch. The exception and first artist I’ve bought merch from is Larry June and that because the merch is actually appealing.

@wawztzta8296

Жыл бұрын

@@Bylug706 you are a piece of shit and are part of the problem. value your favorite artists or no one will

@derickmls14

Жыл бұрын

@@Bylug706 why wouldn’t you buy your favs album 🫣

@zanestarrk6891

Жыл бұрын

@@Bylug706 lol you’re not as big of a fan as you think

@tatertots0046

Жыл бұрын

@@Bylug706 you're not a core fan then

The issue is Da Baby thinks he has fans. He’s a hit artist & didn’t have a hit leading up to this album. Majority of the people listening to him are people that just enjoy his hit records.

@xbabu142x

Жыл бұрын

This is true. I have been on waitlists for merch for Griselda since 2017 since they put the work in and made it worth while me being on the lists. I put down payments on merch since the merch is worth while. You need fan worthy art to have fans.

@neverhungryagain2187

Жыл бұрын

Damn

Da Baby does not have fans, he has listeners. It’s that simple.

@xbabu142x

Жыл бұрын

I'm your #1 fan. Willpower is the best!

@tekken9476

Жыл бұрын

It's very hard to be a hardcore fan of the product he serves to fans, his music ain't timeless

@darkskinwhite

Жыл бұрын

that's funny cause I'm a fan of him way more than I am a listener

@darkskinwhite

Жыл бұрын

@@tekken9476 it's entertainment and he brings a back a lot of the aspects of rap entertainment that we haven't gotten in awhile

a post can never be burried from a fan because the fan doesnt rely on the timeline for updates ... fans go right to your page to see whats going on....

@jamiemoore1989

Жыл бұрын

not if you a fan of a bunch of artists you not going to check every page everyday. facebook did this shit when they made it so you had to pay to promote a post so it would reach all your fans on your page.

@antarticp7477

Жыл бұрын

@@jamiemoore1989 you dont need to check it everyday especially if we talking about catching product releases ... as long as the fan checks your page atleast once a week or even 2 weeks heck even once a month can be sufficient ... thats enough to keep up with whats going on and not have things hidden from you because of any algorithm ... imo this only impacts the NON-fans that you maybe able to catch without having advertisements smacking them in the face everyday multiple times a day .... and imo alot of artist and/or labels rely on this sort of promotion because alot of thier artist dont have a real audience and/or fanbase to start with ... alot of artist have been surviving not because of thier fans but because of how far of reach and how many people thier marketing and promo touches ...

@antarticp7477

Жыл бұрын

@@jamiemoore1989 you got artist like the dababy who i think recently got exposed for this ... i hear his music everywhere but i dont personally play any of his songs outside maybe a coupple of features and i dont hear or know anyone that plays his music like that .... but to see his recent sales ... those numbers make sense to what i hear .... similar to alot of other mainstream artist where you see them all the time on commericial tv and radio ... but in real life they dont exist anywhere you go or turn ...i used to feel the sameway about young thug ... like who really listens to this guy but! his records sales have ALWAYS reflected that ... but he was the first i noticed this with because his numbers were never inflated ... yet this guy was everywhere and was on everyones song etc ...

@MissRory662

Жыл бұрын

@@jamiemoore1989 yes you can social media literally show you more from the people you like.

Artist with indestructible fan bases: 1) Kendrick Lamar 2) J Cole 3) Drake 4) Wiz Khalifa 5) Russ

@CPT2LA

Жыл бұрын

And Youngboy

Russ is right. The crazy this is that these artists want the machine to machine for them... they want playlists, placements, they buy followers, radio, awards and give steroids to streaming numbers and sales, but then complain that the system that rigged their succes is rigged. Lol All these numbers and engagements are boosted. So it's the artist' own fault if they didn't build a more organic and COMMITTED fan base. You might have millions of followers but how many of those millions aren't bots and how many of them aren't just following you to see more of your TMZ type f*&*×ry? Many of these artists are spoiled and feel entitled to success. But as long as they are depending on politics and internet tricks drive their success, they can't complain when the machine moves on to the next. Live by it, die by it

Show Business is truly a popularity contest. Rap music is junk food popular but the numbers don’t lie. The labels forced a mass produced business model that they benefit from while the quality of the music or culture suffers

@cnsmooth

Жыл бұрын

Hold on there son. The quality suffered when the internet came along and the "masses" where about to pick and chose who they listened to. Back when labels where the "Gatekeepers" they only were giving deals to the cream of talent out there.

@bn1342

Жыл бұрын

@@cnsmooth had nothing to do with talent. It was all politics most of the time. Most of them were industry plants getting built up to be better than they actually were

Russ is right. You can't cancel something you're not subscribed to. If you have 1 million fans then you should sell 1 million copies...... the problem starts your 1 million fans stop being your fans

@MissRory662

Жыл бұрын

And just because you have a million fans do not mean everybody a fan. I like looking at dababy content on social media but I don’t listen to his music

@neverhungryagain2187

Жыл бұрын

💯

Congratulations 🎉 JB podcast to 1milli subs salute and highest honor

Folks just not rocking with Da Baby’s “controversy” marketing…he didn’t even promote his album like that either….lastly his sound has become very “niche”, plays albums conservatively and see if your not burnt out by song 4 of album 2

Dababy better get experimental real quick

Russ is the blueprint for how you build a career in music(not just hip hop)

@TrunxKraft3000

Жыл бұрын

Especially when you have a following

@youngprophet5138

Жыл бұрын

He’s talented and worked hard but if he was a black artist he wouldn’t have the same success. He’s an anomaly

@tatertots0046

Жыл бұрын

@@youngprophet5138 that's nonsense? Chance was following the same blueprint and having MORE success than Russ but he stopped working and fell off

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

❤❤💚💚💜💜

@TrunxKraft3000

Жыл бұрын

@@youngprophet5138 It just depends on the type of black artist

Love the rebrand !

Great interview

You can literally have fans turn on Notifications, doesn't matter if it gets "blackballed" when your "fans" aren't going to those notifications

Blessup folk...Joe had them "Mood Muzic" series on his JoeTV site...and folk ate it up...he didnt need a machine...his fans made it happen regardless...Russ had some very good points and he did it off the muscle

@cnsmooth

Жыл бұрын

Most people heard mood music for free though to be honest. However someone big like prince took his shit to the web and never looked back

@handz2k_

Жыл бұрын

@@cnsmooth that’s another method releasing free material and appealing to the have nots so when you do drop something of value ya fans go cop it off the strength . Now with dsps sites like Datpiff don’t provide that method anymore but a lot of free content will make you skyrocket if it’s quality content

@handz2k_

Жыл бұрын

@@cnsmooth that’s another method releasing free material and appealing to the have nots so when you do drop something of value ya fans go cop it off the strength . Now with dsps sites like Datpiff don’t provide that method anymore but a lot of free content will make you skyrocket if it’s quality content

10:57 I see where you goin Joe & I absolutely agree with you, they can hit a button and either make you or break you if you don't have the following already‼️💯💯

@handz2k_

Жыл бұрын

There are too many platforms . That is very possible for 1 but if you gettin that treatment from EVERY platform . You need to check yourself 😂.

@TrunxKraft3000

Жыл бұрын

@@handz2k_ 😂

@dealz5197

Жыл бұрын

OR MAYBE, JUST MAYBE. YOUR PRODUCT YOU PRESENTING TO US IS TRASH/GARBAGE/DODOO. Why we acting like DaBaby was the second coming of Drake

@wonderlandian8465

Жыл бұрын

Joe forgot to mention that he was nearing 1M a year ago then he had that public falling out with Mal and Rory and a bunch of people unsubscribed from his shit...which is why he didn't hit that mark. He is trying to blame algorithms for his channel taking a hit when he did it himself

i was about to say - the Rob video. it hit differently and I personally could share the link with a lot more people than usual.

Are they on a boat ? Why does the back keep moving? Green screen?

The only way he’s being blackballed is if he’s label is in on it, a streaming companies aim to keep a on the platform for as long as possible ghosting Da Baby works against their own interests.

@stacksxx

Жыл бұрын

Bro you not making any sense

Ice dressed like the Grench that stole Christmas lol. But I FK's with him though!

I think joe cutting his segments up helped increased his subscribers

@Bylug706

Жыл бұрын

No many popular podcast yt shows do this. Nobody does more than Shannon Sharpe. That mf release 30 two min clips per show

@Drewb187

Жыл бұрын

Not at all. He's been doing this for years.

Krit one of em with an organic base

“Email list” simple and plain.

Black balling means he's cut off from the industry machine that boosts his exposure and revenue

Joe w/ the subtle Bottega flex! 🫡

To be fair Russ said this before Da Baby stuff.

@tannert7694

Жыл бұрын

how lol he said this like 4 days ago?

@Sammm301

Жыл бұрын

He's been preaching to the choir for a while now

@cnsmooth

Жыл бұрын

@@tannert7694 what I meant was he's said something similar before baby shit

I don't ever hear people say put da baby on lol

Its hard to slow burn organics up the chain when the outlets are gated n superlative operated. Combo of industry politics, games of thrones for ownerships, & depreciation of ACTUAL TALENT To think organics requires a way of thinking that isnt openly accepted by stockholders who make money on catalogue snags

@handz2k_

Жыл бұрын

That’s legit how most fanbases are created now though . Mostly Every xxl freshman list recently has artists that are unfamiliar to the masses but got selected because they got 100k followers on KZread , SoundCloud , or 1 million plays etc . Labels don’t make artists anymore they only magnify them .

Russ speaking 🗣️ faxxx

I agree with Russ. If I like your music I’m gonna find it and listen. I don’t need a playlist

He need a name change 🤣🤣🤣

And, though Joe couldn't say it, that YT "black hole" and it being funny/peculiar how one can stay capped or even shadow banned for so long has been a thing that creators of color (particularly black creators) has been talking about for the longest. Kudos to Joe for breaking it after all these years regardless of the reason why YT decided to get behind it now 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

@muman1

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

Everybody think there’s a boogeyman in the corporate offices that’s preventing them from being great

Joe just be talking and circles and these suckers just be agreeing

Now you’re 3000 subscribers more.

Welcome to a Milli!!!

My thoughts 💭 was EYL interview

That’s the military veterans

A Milli A Milli A Milli

Woah woah how long the format been like this. I like seeing everyone.

@Le0xo

Жыл бұрын

Almost had a heart attack seeing Parks

You can be Shadow banned. People can have post notifications on and not see them when you upload etc.

@derickmls14

Жыл бұрын

Trust me…if you’re a REAL fan you know when your favs are dropping and probably sitting at the phone at 11:59pm for that midnight drop 😂 he just doesn’t have CORE fans

Powerful!

Da baby make mainstream music, Russ makes acquired taste music

@LL-dj3uj

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!! The real issue is the type of music you make.

@CombatLegsVIDS

Жыл бұрын

they both make 🗑 music

@P-10.00

Жыл бұрын

@@LL-dj3uj there is plenty of great mainstream music lol

@BlackHippy313

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Russ will always have a fanbase dababy makes come and go music

How many fans are really fans though. Joe said he'd stop posting free content and what did all the "fans" of the pod say?

Btw, yeah of course you're skyrocketing since the Rob O'Neil interview: diversity. That's usually Rogan's bag: diverse people.

In Joe Budden We Trust.

Oh shit, it's Parks 😲

The last 3 minutes of this video.

Lack of desired Support doesn’t necessarily equate to being blackballed.

CAPITAL CAPITAL CAPITAL...I believe Russ communicated that he spent a mill to produce and promote that song with Ed sum

17 years at a 1 million is not a flex.

They stuck me in that black hole for sure! ▶️

Guys we on 1 million subscribers since 6 years ago we started the pod

The button🤔

COLD is not blackballed😂there's a clear difference, Dababy a solid nigga but it's over gotta switch dat shit

Why do ya give Parks more camera time. I love when he doesn’t talk

Nah listen bro, if you have a core fan voice that connects to your music they’ll listen when you drop. You comparing how social media platforms work compared to people who have a organic fan base. Socials doesn’t matter. Cause the connection between fan and music is that strong

can't even lie. I hear more about russ thru interviews. I never hear his music being played ANYWHERE.

@brytonmunro5270

Жыл бұрын

True because he’s independent. And yet he has 17 million monthly listeners on Spotify alone. He doesn’t get radio, Dababy does and still can’t retain actual fans. Imagine if Russ did get radio😂

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

@@brytonmunro5270 100

@misguidedpearls7456

Жыл бұрын

I found Russ by a interview Instant fan Jus due to hes a real dude

Lovelyti said the same thing but you know that, LovelyJoe😏… But for real, s/o to Cory Kenshin for putting YT on blast…

Parks 100% correct

So basically you go on tour and get all these millions of ppl tapped in to your music who came for you but when the album drops u need the algorithm to support the music in order to get to your fans who are supposed to already know to look for your music off the strength of being your fans. The word of mouth. The media tour etc etc..we are not talking growing the audience but ur core.. If u were 2 albums in maybe but this far in the game maybe they just not rocking with you

Tory lanez too has fans coz his numbers without support has been up..look at the Playboy album or the Daystar or alone at prom

5:34

@workinghardtomakemyfutureb7932

Жыл бұрын

6:59 8:45

Prime example: Dave Chappelle

I CANT UNHEAR IT. ICE SOUND LIKE BEETLE JUICE

You also have to factor in that a large amount of people actively don’t want to hear from DaBaby. At first didn’t mind hearing from him or actually did like him. This man has punched him own fans in the face at shows multiple times and keeps gossiping and saying things instead of making music. Audience fatigue

THE GAME RIGGED THEY GIVE THE SPOT LIGHT TO WHO THEY WANT TO BE SEEN

IF YOU'RE SIGNED AND THERE'S IS SOME SORT OF CONTRACT THAT DOESN'T ALLOW ONE TO RELEASE, YOU CAN BE BLACK BALLED.

Joe started this BBQ shit .. 1 0f the 20,000

He's not blackballed, his music just isn't good. Millions of people don't listen to Spotify Playlists and go seek out their favorite artists

the older I get the more I hate conspiracies..

They have to make their fans subscribe to them or turn on post notifications.

You can’t keep making the same album and expect people to not lose interest. The world has moved on from DaBaby

F.D. Signifier has a video on exactly why this ceiling thing happens for black content creators

Black ball is not just streaming it's also venues, and if social media alters the algorithms then your posts push to anyone...if you got 300000 people following you, and you get pushed out, none of them wont see it

People like Tyler the creator, j cole, wiz khalifa Kanye travis that has a true core fan base can’t be blackballed especially in the age of the internet.

An these are organic subs

In terms of Da baby, growth shouldn't be involved in the conversation. He was one of the biggest artist of 2019. He shouldn't have to grow. In the scope of the actual black ball convo russ is right.

I definitely agree especially about the Rob O’Neill those are your biggest views on your channel they are in the millions to be honest I feel like white people are more supportive of people doing something I hate to say that especially as a black person but just go look at some of white peoples channel who do some of the same things that African-American KZreadrs do 🤷🏿‍♂️

Tory the only one that got black balled and his fans still show love

Jbp podcast is almost unbearable it’s super industry now, and really safe takes.

heavy gems in this episode....Black Culture based content has a cap unless its curated in such a way white American culture can gleam through it.

Parks is hideous bro

Black balled means from the industry the machine etc.. not the fans. Russ tryna sound like he saying something

@brytonmunro5270

Жыл бұрын

Because Russ is saying something. He’s telling artists to stop complaining when their streams are down because they don’t have real fans and rely on playlists that they don’t own and are created entirely based on the owners music preference. He simply didn’t make the cut because it’s not good enough, and because he doesn’t have a real fan base, he suffers and needs that. That’s it, that’s all.

Xxx was black balled but technically he wasn’t because he had fans that wanted to listen so they tried to but they couldn’t because real fans so russ is 100 percent correct

@vicomtedevalmont1073

Жыл бұрын

Yes the industry (specifically media) tried to blackball X HARD. Artists fucked with him but couldn't publicly support, even after he died. NOWADAYS it's a bit different since the internet's hate for him has subsided a great deal in the public's conscience, but yes he very much was (and still is) 'blackballed' - but his crackhead fanbase + undeniable talent/influence made it utterly impossible for the industry to just blot him out. Artists with diehard fans will always eat + be successful without the 'industry'. Acts like X and the Griselda cats are great examples of that. Dababy has done nothing to curry favor + build a fanbase - nigga is just hostile and unapproachable. Why would anyone want to support him and his antics + bad music? Man's career was completely dependent on his sex appeal to white men + women💀

Nicki was definitely blackballed. Her queen album wasn't even showing in the searches on Spotify, come on now

@Rayniel

Жыл бұрын

Why was she blackballed?

@LL-dj3uj

Жыл бұрын

I’m not a fan but it was definitely on Apple.

@handz2k_

Жыл бұрын

That is 1 platform. When they release albums usually they go to everything . Apple , Spotify , KZread , etc . Her music not showing up on Spotify don’t mean she was blackballed . Her fans could’ve easily went to the other platforms

@soniadevlin487

Жыл бұрын

She was not blackballed

💯💯💯💯💯 -bigDEF😈😇

Joe need to talk spend a few days with Mr Beast. Mr Beast knows everything about youtube. Im sure with a few tips and tricks Joe's Channel can sky rocket again.

Joe quit speaking in code, bro. Shit ain’t that deep. It’s a game. Some figure it out; some don’t.

Russ is right. Screaming "blackballed" is attempting to rub shoulders with the poor. When in fact, this is another case of blaming the man that doesn't exist (also another poor theme). Instagram, KZread and Facebook will allow you to buy ads for all that glorious cash you flaunt in tv. Put your money back in to your business like the rest of the 1% do to stay rich. Michael Jackson was successful because he put his music videos on Fox right after In living Color or Martin would go off. Now, it's social media. Stop crying.

No one cares about “black balled” what the name of those black sneakers Joe

Stop haten russ

@user-qi9qo8qh5q

Ай бұрын

Sore losers

Artist grow cold and scream bb smh

Joe button

I already got black balls, don’t get the hype

That's a very WHITE thing for him to say... but we dealing with a black man that spoke out about a community that have more right then regular society

@brytonmunro5270

Жыл бұрын

That’s extremely small minded of you. It’s interesting how people still separate colour.

Black ball is real stop acting like you don’t know that Joe wth

DaBaby is boring!

Who tf listens to russ 😒

@brytonmunro5270

Жыл бұрын

Literally 17 million people monthly on Spotify alone. 20,000 stadium in Saudi…. Sold out shows all over the world… what exactly are you trying to do here? I’ll answer that. You’re hating just because you can and because you think it makes you unique; it doesn’t. You’re entitled to an opinion on his music IF YOU’VE HEARD IT, but you’re not entitled to any opinion that you’ve taken absolutely no time to contextualize and educate yourself on.

@yoboymalc4432

Жыл бұрын

@@brytonmunro5270 sorry man didn't mean to disrespect your boyfriend

@yoboymalc4432

Жыл бұрын

@@brytonmunro5270 I bet you wouldn't even go that hard for your own father

@brytonmunro5270

Жыл бұрын

Your reply is called ‘deflection’ and its a technique used when you’re unable to emotional and intellectually have a conversation. It has no effect on me. Facts are facts, and I’ll share them with uneducated people. I can’t choose how they take it.

@yoboymalc4432

Жыл бұрын

@@brytonmunro5270 your unhealthy borderline homosexual admiration for another man you don't even know is called infatuation. Usually occurs when losers such as yourself who have no life nor accomplishments of your own lives vicariously through the life of others in an attempt to take your mind off of the nothing of a life and stress you have created for yourself. I won't hold it against you though. See it through my boy