SUBSCRIBE!!!!! Imagine if we got 10K that would be crazy.

@Locutus

5 жыл бұрын

I actually unsubscribed.

@DublinAviation

5 жыл бұрын

Aww poor locutus trying to be funny :((

@max.har16

5 жыл бұрын

Dublin Aviation uhhh I guess I’ll sub that was rude

@westcheap

4 жыл бұрын

says you have 10k now so... ...wish granted?

@dave8599

4 жыл бұрын

i like you videos very much. I do have a suggestion, some of the text in some colors is very hard to read, such as the purple and the dark red, it has little contrast with the black background. perhaps larger text, different colors, or maybe have the text in a white box or course a white background would make the yellow hard to see. please accept this as a suggestion, not criticism. your videos are very fine!

While the controller obviously made a huge mistake, I certainly have to credit everyone involved for keeping their cool on frequency. Yes, a potentially lethal mistake was made, and everyone knew it, but they were also professional enough to know that arguing about it over the radios was not going to help and could even have opened the door for more mistakes.

@ozgurkaratas6450

5 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@josephhaas7413

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and no passive-aggressive BS from anyone on freq either. Well done to all

@sarge6870

5 жыл бұрын

...and additional delays.

@borisbadenov321

5 жыл бұрын

You are right but man that would have been tough.

@jeffgraham48

5 жыл бұрын

I agree well said.

"Hey tower, advise me when you're ready to copy, I have a number for you to call "

@dm8867

5 жыл бұрын

That would have been perfect

@davejones542

5 жыл бұрын

I have a number for your to call, possible controller violation.

@ParkerUAS

5 жыл бұрын

That would have been perfect, but I doubt UAL would have been amused.

@chadinmich1

5 жыл бұрын

MP it still woulda been great lol

@mattc9412

5 жыл бұрын

Airforceproud95?

You don't realize how stressful is being an air traffic controller. I work in airport operations and I was once given clearance to proceed down the runway just after she cleared an Allegiant Airlines Airbus to take off on that same Runway. I had to tell the controller I'm going to hold short because you just cleared the Allegiant, to which she replied that's a good call. I'm just saying we're all human beings and we make mistakes. Instead of always looking for a scapegoat we need to focus on learning from our mistakes.

@longdonglarry

4 жыл бұрын

probably one of the most stressful jobs on the planet with no margin for error, but the truth is that everyone makes mistakes.

@drusix1987

3 жыл бұрын

I don't believe that there is a single person that doesn't realize how stressful this job is :P

@carlosbarzottowirti1895

3 жыл бұрын

@@firstname9954 no training in the world would be useful on a stressed tired controller. Constant training is very important, but well rested people are also essential

@pozzee2809

2 жыл бұрын

Learning that some airports are poorly designed and crucial workers are being underpaid and overworked. All of which leads to more stress which can lead to mistakes.

@pozzee2809

2 жыл бұрын

@@carlosbarzottowirti1895 exactly, and shorter shifts

Credit the UA 326 pilots for being calm and professional, at least on the radio. I'm pretty sure they were cussing that controller a new one while taxiing back into takeoff position a second time.

@itzthedude971

5 жыл бұрын

Tom S. People make mistakes, I'm sure pilots understand.

@fhuber7507

5 жыл бұрын

This type mistake can end up killing 500 people...

@itzthedude971

5 жыл бұрын

F Huber Nobody's perfect. I doubt both of us could do any better.

@adammumford5240

5 жыл бұрын

You obviously do not work in aviation. Oops my bad is not an excuse. At min he will have to undergo more training at most termination.

@harrymallory7963

5 жыл бұрын

I half expected something as well. Its not as if nothing ever gets said on the radio. This was a mark of true professionalism though.

Just further proof that ATC clearance is NOT absolute. Pilots, especially newer ones, could easily make that mistake. Not checking things for themselves, just because the “had clearance”. Good heads up by this crew. Great video.

@rkan2

5 жыл бұрын

It is always like this with peiple. Always fly thr plane first!

@PatrickBijvoet

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. However in this case the pilot did take his own responsibility the right way.

@Yora21

3 жыл бұрын

I was told in driving school to never give other cars hand signals to get going when you want to let them pass first. Human reflex is to just do it, without checking if the other directions are also clear.

@fhs4137

3 жыл бұрын

@@Yora21 You were taught well! It also tends to clog up traffic if there is any around, or at least create hesitation and confusion which can turn dangerous. I understand people are trying to be kind, but it's really best to just follow the rules and get the hell out of the way if it's your turn to go. Also applies when you're on the receiving end. If the other car has the right of way and you want to make the situation as safe as possible, refuse to go and stick to the rules. It might be an awkward exchange and waste some time, but it prevents accidents.

@judepazier4491

Жыл бұрын

It's the same with a traffic light. Green doesn't always mean it is safe to go.

One day working as a traffic controller probably takes a month of your lifetime.

@twoblacklabs904

5 жыл бұрын

G P ...having worked in an Airline’s Operations Tower for nearly 4 decades, the stress is not 1/100th of what an actual ATC goes through. I have a friend who started with me in the airline industry in 1976 and went to work as an ATC in ‘85. He just retired a few weeks ago. He still has a full head of hair, but it’s completely SNOW WHITE, and I’m not talking about the fairy tale! The horror stories he’s told me over the years has kept me from regular air travel and vacations by air for many, many years! (p.s...the entire ATC System was fucked ever since Ronald Reagan replaced the PATCO striking workers in ‘81... and the system has never truly recovered. The FAA boneheads that ALLOWED those replacement scabs to take those jobs should’ve been arrested for Criminal NEGLIGENCE! Those that would do the job for a lot less money were almost weeded out, but other issues like funding to replace ancient technology and staffing levels crept up, but have never been adequately addressed from a Federal management standpoint. And we keep allowing less and less qualified people to work those critical functions of our air travel/commerce industry...it’s sad...pathetic, really!)

@BlackLabelSlushie

5 жыл бұрын

Two Black Labs Thanks for the nightmares

@cecontroller

5 жыл бұрын

@@twoblacklabs904 where did you do tower ops?

@TheFlyingZulu

4 жыл бұрын

It does. My first real job out of college back in 2007-ish was an ATC trainee. Yea the controllers at my facility were in their 30s-40s but looked like 50s-60s. They were also very angry and extremely stressed out. Needless to say that job wasn't for me.

@markmark5269

4 жыл бұрын

Apparently a profession with a higher than average suicide rate.

A clearance from a controller is like a green traffic light. It means you're allowed to go, but you still have to look as much as possible to be sure it's safe.

@jensaugust743

5 жыл бұрын

no, no, no. you have no chance in hell seeing if ther eis a plane about to cross the runway 2.5 km away, and when you do, you are going 200 knots

@arianzo

4 жыл бұрын

And if it's cloudly?

@flatfingertuning727

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if it would be useful to have ground lighting-based signals to indicate whether a runway is cleared for takeoff/landing or other traffic, so airplanes about to cross a runway could be certain that no other aircraft was cleared to take off or land there. This could help in situations where different controllers might give conflicting verbal instructions, or in cases where instructions might be misheard.

@dave8599

4 жыл бұрын

reminds me of a train crossing gate, I was three car behind the gate, gate went down briefly, then went up, first car went across, then a speeding train blew its emergency horn, loud as heck, the two cars ahead stopped, as did I as the train sped thru, then the gates went down then up again. we all waited a bit and very cautiously crossed each car stopping before the track, occupants looking both ways down the tracks before proceeding. to this day I look down the tracks even if the gate is up, before crossing.

@VictoryAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Flat Finger Tuning the exact idea you are mentioning does exist at larger airports. That was really good problem solving.

Proper teamwork in action. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how everyone gets to go home at night. It takes individuals to be heros, but a whole team of people to make a disaster. Keep looking out for each other folks.

So the only thing that prevented an accident was that the aircraft cleated for takeoff had visual of another aircraft several hundred meters away? Imagine if it had been foggy...

@jeconomides

5 жыл бұрын

Cmaskold - no. He was listening out on the frequency and heard the runway crossing instruction for the other aircraft.

@ilikethisnamebetter

5 жыл бұрын

We don't know what specifically caused him to reject takeoff, but he certainly should not have had to _rely_ on hearing any instructions to any other aircraft. The original comment is valid.

@Wouter112

5 жыл бұрын

Probably a combination between the radio traffic and visual for either the departing traffic and the crossing traffic.

@randomgooglename

5 жыл бұрын

Jason Economides are you for sure about that? what if he was conducting a checklist or there could have been a break in the freq when the instructions for the crossing aircraft were given. either way thank goodness this wasnt an accident.

@jivansjohal

5 жыл бұрын

it'd be tenerife all over again

Good thing 326 was paying attention omg controller!!!!!

@itzthedude971

5 жыл бұрын

Don Wald It's a stressful job, can't blame him.

@wrbutler3681

5 жыл бұрын

I doubt the FAA will accept that as an excuse when two aircraft collide due to the controller's negligence. If the job is too stressful he needs to find another line of work.

@TheProIsLol

5 жыл бұрын

Sure is stressful but this is what they are trained for. I’ve heard the controllers get breaks after every 2 hours or so, but someone might correct me on that one.

@ropersonline

5 жыл бұрын

@ItzTheDude: Well, you can in fact blame him, but I agree with you insofar as I feel for the guy. It's important to remember that human error is always a possibility, at every level. Good thing UAL326's aircrew caught that. Eyes up front, ear to the radio, situational awareness, credit to their profession. ATCguy though - on this occasion, not so much. Heck of an oops to make. But I pity the guy too. He must feel absolutely terrible about that.

@ahgflyguy

5 жыл бұрын

I was on a plane (MD-80?) taxiing to the terminal, when the pilot locked up the brakes. 4 second later, an airplane crossed in front of us on its takeoff run. It was loud and it was close. And nobody else in the passenger compartment seemed to notice that we almost made the news.

Please remain with me on this frequency... (Dont tell on Ground frequency what just happened...)

@dragontoothless4351

3 жыл бұрын

Though to be fair, the ground controller for that side of the field is sitting next to him at the south end of the airport (the original tower now sits empty while the secondary tower in the A-B Concourse is for aircraft on the apron and Delivery Clearance).

Wow - I thought the crew was remarkably polite. Noticed no apology from the controller. Thank goodness everyone had situational awareness.

@Qusin111

5 жыл бұрын

no crap! thanks for almost killing everyone without even saying anything …. I have no idea why our runways can even have this situation happen in the first place, they really need to be redesigned.

@delta4phoenix4

5 жыл бұрын

Qusin111 how would you solve that issue? What kind of redesign do you propose?

@immanuelj8952

5 жыл бұрын

Qusin111 it wasn’t intersecting runways it was a taxiway. Aircraft need to cross runways at some point and no design will avoid that.

@slates010

5 жыл бұрын

@@immanuelj8952 hmm what about a taxiway underpass which would be gently sloping allowing for planes to pass underneath? expensive and major engineering - definitely.

@immanuelj8952

5 жыл бұрын

Brian Morgan I don’t think there would be enough room for this “gentle slope” as aircraft are VERY high and you would need a considerable and sudden slope because if you gradually slope it would take too much space that they don’t have as often taxiways between runways are very short. Also this would raise questions of if it could stay structurally sound while having to dig at least 8 to ten stories deep while still allowing a wide enough space for aircrafts massive wingspan. This is simply not possible as you would need structural supports which would get in the way of the aircraft that is taxiing beneath. I think the only feasible way to make it that taxiways don’t cross runways would be hailing them go completely around them but many runways are miles long which would cost much more money and time and again money for the increased taxi times and the fuel for those taxi times. Overall having taxiways cross runways isn’t a big issue and runway incursions are fairly rare and accidents occurring as a result of said incursions are even rarer. We also have multiple checks and balance between pilots and ATC that protect aircraft and their passengers.

I know it's a business that can broach no mistakes...but the professionalism shown here in overcoming one without drama or vitriol is commendable.

@starga-fr7qx

2 жыл бұрын

Not entirely, the business is supposed to have checks and balances so mistakes can be caught and handled. the problems occur when one person goes along with another persons mistake and doesn't due dilligence his own part of the deal. Simple example was the other video with 2 similar callsigns, the take off by DAL was 1 mistake, but there had been several others leading up to it. (like ATC not keying mike properly and lining up 2 planes with similar callsign instead of holding one back from line up till the other was already taking off) It rarely is 1 single mistake that causes a problem. It usually is a bunch of mistakes combined to cause a disaster.

i can barely keep up with all the orders working in mcdonald’s.... imagine having to manage all these aircrafts on ur frequency

@obsoleteprofessor2034

4 жыл бұрын

Tour bus!

@arianzo

4 жыл бұрын

Thats why you earn minimum wage salary.

@jasminehenderson7687

4 жыл бұрын

haha same

@liesdamnlies3372

4 жыл бұрын

chelsea mauricio To be perfectly honest, I’d much rather work in a tower than a fast food place in rush hour.

@coalescententity6651

4 жыл бұрын

@@arianzo yeah no buddy

This had the best outcome possible. Great heads up. Being professional during and after. class act!

@philmontejano5971

5 жыл бұрын

Cool, calm and collected and didn't want to burn the controller so good job by him He's probably a great pilot to fly with too!

If they have to keep up this pace all the time, its no wonder they burn out...

@joeblack2534

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think they do like 90 minutes shift

@jannbernlohr1119

4 жыл бұрын

You wanna go on that holiday trip? You wanna get that package from overseas? Welcome to a world where you have to get an aircraft in or out every 2 minutes (On busy airports thats a slow day).

*"Tower, you got a pen and paper? I have a number for you to call...."*

@zwyklyuser44

4 жыл бұрын

Dan Watt well said 👍👍👍

@lindanwfirefighter4973

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

Wow, that is a mind blowing sequence of events. So glad it ended up as a training/learning opportunity and not a flaming wreck costing hundreds of lives.

As a passenger when the captain explains a delay instead of getting impatient i always appreciate having good decision making up front. Diverted around Chicago once I even thanked god!

@jackkenefick2696

3 жыл бұрын

ladies and gentlemen we aborted our takeoff roll so we wouldnt all die in a fiery ball from a collision with another aircraft crossing the runway. this flights movie is Tenerife

Excellent illustration of why you need to keep your head in the game, and not be robot to Tower. Thanks for posting this!

One of the most stressful occupations on earth. Respect!

@-Wreckanize-

3 жыл бұрын

respect for what

@krish19208

Жыл бұрын

@@-Wreckanize- respect for doing what they r doing

I'm in this career field and situations like this remind you of exactly how little people care what you did correct. Thousands of times per day a controller does his/her job perfectly but not a single positive comment but one mental error and you're incompetent. I hope everything works out for the guy, he didn't intentionally mess up. We're all actually human and make mistakes... Except when we're online and judging others for their mistakes. Smh

@WilliamPitcher

5 жыл бұрын

Well, in this community, there are tonnes of positive comments for ATC and pilots if not on this video. What some people don't know much about is all the fault tolerance built into the system. The Canadian show 'Mayday' aka 'Air Crash Investigation' is where I saw how it almost always takes a chain of errors or other circumstances for fatal incidents to occur.

@mrcoolluke7850

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you no job is easy with so much weighing on you

@markellis6835

4 жыл бұрын

747 driver here. I appreciate your professionalism every time I go to work.

@jeremypearson6852

3 жыл бұрын

I take my hat off to any AT controller, very difficult job.

@minnesotamarine9861

3 жыл бұрын

In this job, 1 small mistake can cost 100's of lives.

This is one of the more calm, polite, well handled incidents I’ve heard, tbh.

Can’t believe how fast these guys talk. It’s insane to think how many lives are on the line and Communication on the ground is so rushed. Amazed there isn’t more accidents in and around airports.

@deepdiver7469

5 жыл бұрын

After you fly for a little while it sounds normal. I remember when I was learnin to fly I could not understand anything.

@1999zrx1100

5 жыл бұрын

David Schorr that’s reassuring... Now in my 60’s my hearing isn’t what it used to be. I would be lost out there. 😎

@GarrettThornburg

5 жыл бұрын

It’s fast, but they’re expecting instructions. If they tell you to hold short, or line up and wait, you’re expecting the next instruction. So given you’re expecting one of a few things it gets easier to understand.

@greybeard29

5 жыл бұрын

It’s crazy how fast you pick it up though. It’s one of them things once you know what’s going on you just know.

@philmontejano5971

5 жыл бұрын

It has to be rushed and controllers do not like to repeat themselves LAX ,JFK guys are some of the best

Wow, not one but two planes cleared to cross after giving takeoff clearance. Scary stuff. I wonder if it was fatigue related or what happened that made him forget he cleared 326

@ragzpar

4 жыл бұрын

Actually if you listen carefully he mentions UAL326 will have multiple runway crossing prior to their departure. And then he accidentally cleared them for take off. Then proceeded on to clearing the two planes to cross the runway.

Dangerous but human mistake by Tower, but it’s a damn good thing UAL326 was keeping their eyes peeled. I’m surprised some of the ground aircraft didn’t realize it even though they were on tower frequency.

@johnellis5828

2 жыл бұрын

Theres so much going on in the cockpit, but you're absolutely correct. One pilot is supposed to always be on radios when in controlled airspace.

@hagamapama

2 жыл бұрын

One of them did, and delayed crossing because he was aware that the flight was cleared for takeoff and was alert for tower error. The one furthest down the runway trusted the tower and cross but you can hear the other aircraft announced that it had held.

Great video. Thumbs up as long as I’m cleared....

Since I'm not sure who screwed up here, I worry it might have been me.

Surprised Dulles does not have sensors at the taxiway hold short lines and an automated runway incursion alarm system

@simmer484

5 жыл бұрын

Jonny Quest that sounds cool how do they work, does the controller have to acknowledge an alarm every time a plane taxis on to the runway?

@jonnyquest9221

5 жыл бұрын

Looks like Dulles is supposed to already have a system en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASDE-X . Wonder if it was fully deployed or inoperative at the time of this incursion. The controller on the audio sounded overwhelmed.

@simmer484

5 жыл бұрын

Jonny Quest many thanks for the reply and link

@LB767

5 жыл бұрын

That was the first thing that took me by surprise. I know on some equivalent systems in Europe you'd get a big fat alarm as soon as a crossing traffic and another accelerating down the runway were detected. I'd have expected this to happen and for the controller to cancel the takeoff clearance. So curious to see what seemingly went wrong there.

@skyserf

5 жыл бұрын

Jonny Quest IAD is supposed to have Runway Status Lights. Not sure if they were inop or the crossing traffic ignored them.

The FAA considers runway incursions an important problem. Often pilots are required to take remedial training, maybe the same is true for controllers. I'm a member of the local glider club, and our field is just outside the Bedminster TFR, and I hear of incursions (not from our glider pilots) into the TFR just about every time it is in effect, and the usual action is to require remedial pilot training.

It surprises me how unapologetic the controller was . You just nearly caused 2 or more passenger airliners to collide on the runway . Atleast say sorry . He didn't even ask if United had hot brakes or needed some time for maintenance checks . Just asked him to taxi back to runway . You could feel the level of disinterest in the controller's voice , " Yeah I fucked up , so what ? Now Taxi back to the runway . "

@efoxxok7478

5 жыл бұрын

Avinash Srivastava you missed something... Apologizing on the freq. would be inappropriate, however I can tell he was profoundly shook by his actions. He also obviously turned himself in as towards the end of the tape we have another controller. As to the aftermath and the question of hot brakes, which BTW was not mentioned, UAL hadn't moved down the runway far enough to get fast enough to get hot brakes. They would however be required to contact company and then run pre-takeoff check lists again. As to the fate of the controller, well he would have been pulled from position and have to do paperwork. Since this was likely self reported he would at most likely only get an "over-the-shoulder" to make sure he was ready to return to work. Being a controller is not about being right 100% of the time, that's impossible. It is about constantly reviewing your work, updating your mental picture, and fixing what isn't working. Procedure for clearing to cross active runway should never rely on memory rather a scan of the runway, or the surface radar to determine if there is aircraft on or approaching. This probably didn't happen in this case. My guess is that UAL was slow in actually starting his takeoff roll which gave a false sense to the controller that he hadn't cleared him yet. We always had a saying, "when in doubt use altitude". In this case when in doubt (seeing an aircraft lined up and maybe waiting) pause and double check.

@tomhejda6450

5 жыл бұрын

From what I understand, especially at busy timesy they are trained to keep as "distant" from the situation as possible. He has to carry on keeping his job in the first place until he's replaced in his seat.

@oliverkeating4894

5 жыл бұрын

You could tell he was severely shaken up, his voice was almost cracking, he simply answered with "roger", and frankly it was the best thing to do, there were still aircraft rolling, the most important priority was the continued safety of operations - not politeness.

@jamesthompson3099

5 жыл бұрын

@J H I spent my professional aviation career in flight operations and that is colossal horse manure. Your ignorance of the system is frightening and incredibly disrespectful.

@Redhill407

5 жыл бұрын

@J H Do you know what a "dolt" is?

I have no idea how pilots and ATC do this job. There is so much going on and so many lives in their hands. Bravo and a big salute to all the women and men who do these pressure packed jobs, no way I could do it. I have a question for you highly skilled professional's, do the communications have to be so fast and what seems to be garbled at times? How do you process all that? I'm not an uneducated drooling simpleton, I have a Bachelor's degree in Actuarial Science and graduated with honor's but this stuff just boggles my brain. You all need a raise.

@Nipy1

4 жыл бұрын

Its not have to be that fast. Its just probably peak hour and they need to provide instructions as soon as possible. However, radio communication in Europe seems to be more relaxed. Try to compare any airport in Europe with JFK Ground. Check JFK guy on youtube, he gives orders faster than Eminems Rap god

That is good situational awareness by the pilots of UAL. This is a good reason to have a sterile cockpit when taxiing.

@catprog

5 жыл бұрын

One plane. 1:49 (after United had stopped) the 2nd plane had yet to cross the runway.

@PlaneSpottingBerlin

3 жыл бұрын

now imagine they are e.g. in South America and the controller switches to Spanish to talk to another aircraft. Situational awareness gone.

The above video is a prime example of why I could NEVER be an Air Traffic Controller, or pilot. Just too much overall stress. Too many things to remember, and read back. And you HAVE to be correct. No errors allowed. It wasn't like that in school. One minor error could be disaster. There's gotta be easier, less stressful jobs out there.

Calm cool and collected on everyone’s part despite confusion and what could easily have become chaos. Professionalism!

@jameswest8280

2 жыл бұрын

There have been flights under similar circumstances that weren't so lucky.

Love this, good vids! Start adding in some text explanations now that you’re over 10K subs; it will help to bring in more subscribers

The controller messed up big time. Kudos for the UAL crew for their excellent situational awareness

@hagamapama

2 жыл бұрын

Also the American crew which saw what was in the wind and did not enter the runway.

He told him to line up and wait for multiple crossings then tells clear for take off.

@Alex-us2vw

5 жыл бұрын

That was the first call, but he called back and gave a take off clearance at 23 seconds.

It's always a good idea to listen carefully to tower orders for other planes even during takeoff roll.

@flipakine

2 жыл бұрын

based on the visuals it didn't look like he got to far into his takeoff roll before nailing the brakes because of exactly this. I'm sure he heard right after his clearance. others were cleared to cross. didn't seem they had to do to many checks or request trucks to look at their brakes. great situational awareness all around by this United crew.

United 326 pilot have good situation awareness, calm and professional Well done !

They have a tough job for sure

Well done UAL326. The other two didn't get anything !

how does this work behind the scenes? The controller obviously changed in short order. Did someone in the tower overhear the error? Is there a big red "I messed up button and need a break"?

Ah Dulles! We had a nightmare flight attempt with the years ago. After a mechanical delay, a night back home, the next day with multiple gate changes and delays, they decided to send us to the aircraft on one of their people movers. We nearly got hit in the people mover by a 727. That was such a fun flight.........

@Wailwulf

5 жыл бұрын

.....and you hadn't even left the ground yet.

Tough job for sure. I hope he didn’t loose the job, that’s a teaching moment for sure.

@georgekazma2022

5 жыл бұрын

you hope so? Are you serious? He should loose his job. No room for ant mistake when you handle millions of dollars and hundreds of lives. Doesn't mean that I want him to suffer, but I think he is burned out already and this is the start of his career failure.

@analisa9758

5 жыл бұрын

unkonwn man if controllers and pilot's got fired everytime they made a mistake there would be no pilots and controllers. There is a review and training system in place to address these things. If it keeps happening than that's another issue but I don't think you can infer burnout or gross negligence from a single instance of a mistake. Geeze.

@georgekazma2022

5 жыл бұрын

Ana Lisa this so called mistake would cost millions of dollars and hundreds of lives. There should be no room for it.

@simonpeters2128

4 жыл бұрын

@@georgekazma2022 Every human being can make a mistake and will make a mistake. It's just natural. Imagine the controller is working for 20 years without any mistakes... Should he really be fired for an incident where luckily nothing happend? I don't think so.

@arianzo

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah we learn the most from our mistakes.

Just curious - Does anyone know what the repercussions of this are for the ATC? Would he face any sort of suspension, or would it be more of a "go home and get some rest, you are done for the day?" I imagine there would be some sort of record if the error, but I'm wondering how common these little mistakes are (my guess would be relatively high, it's a demanding job)

@timowen9298

5 жыл бұрын

@Raccoon Suspended pending investigation and probably retraining.

@InuKun2008

5 жыл бұрын

@@timowen9298 Depends. I've had ATC clear aircraft to line up on the runway I'm on final approach for, and nearly collided with said aircraft because ATC forgot my location and thought that I was further out then I actually was by that point (short final when I asked for a different runway to avoid colliding with the 767 which was steering out and nearly struck us with its tail). I've also had ATC clear me to cross an active runway while a 747 was beginning its takeoff roll. We safely crossed, with 5 seconds later the 747 speeding past, and the controller asking if we were okay as the left wingtip of the 747 came close to us. In both cases, the controller was relieved for the rest of their shift, but came back the next day (Orlando-Sanford International).

@22noobtube

2 жыл бұрын

He was relieved pretty quickly there

So what happens to the controller for the screwup? Is it just a write up? Or is majorly screwed?

When the pilot should be telling the controller “be ready to take a phone number”.

Oh my way to be on it United

@robmoreau3272

4 жыл бұрын

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The flight crew handled the situation very professionally with regards to how they treated the controller. My question is regarding how the crew handled the RTO. If they aborted at a speed of 80kts or less than it’s possible that they didn’t use much braking. That is, if the auto brakes were disarmed during the RTO or not armed at all. If they rejected at a speed higher than 80kts then there are typically charts to follow with significant cooling times before attempting another takeoff. Carbon brakes don’t reach their max temp until 10-15 minutes after brake application. They could suck a ticking time bomb up into the wheel wells after the 2nd attempt. It’s possible that they left the gear down for a little while after takeoff to cool the brakes.

@itzthedude971

5 жыл бұрын

Banshee365 Depends on the situation.

@Banshee365

5 жыл бұрын

ItzTheDude Didn’t I say that?

@itzthedude971

5 жыл бұрын

Banshee365 Well that means you answered ur own question.

@stevencoffone5448

5 жыл бұрын

RTO Auto Brake MAX, Reverse thrust, Speed brake, slats and flaps. Manual brakes burn them. Who cares. Whatever necessary to RTO. Controller seemed very anxious

@Banshee365

5 жыл бұрын

My point is that I’m surprised at how quickly they just attempted another takeoff without consulting with maintenance control and observing some sort of cool down time. The RTO just have been initiated at a low speed.

Whoa, listening again, thank God for the pilots of UAL 326.

@hanbulban3131

5 жыл бұрын

Def close call

WOW...... This happened like two years ago in Shanghai too. That time the plane overflew.

Yeah tower, we're going to need some time at the end TO CHANGE OUR PANTS!

TCAS is inhibited on the ground, so no it doesn't work. If it were foggy, and the controller can't see ground movement, then different procedures go into affect and it slows everything down and passengers get angry. Most of us watch each other and call out if something doesn't seem right. It's not like your average drive down 95, and your hoping to arrive alive. No! We don't text while flying.

@willwarden2603

5 жыл бұрын

JetMechMA I think you got 2 have weight off wheels and airspeed. I’m not sure though it’s been a while since I installed TCAS.

@jaroslavsevcik3421

5 жыл бұрын

What I know is that in B737 TCAS is set to SBY for taxi *to not interfere with other traffic* and TA/RA only before take-off after receiving the clearance. So if one aircraft is in TA/RA mode and the other one is in SBY that one will be not shown to the first aircraft.

@markg7963

5 жыл бұрын

JetMechMA If you are on the ground you can see airborne aircraft, but not ones on the ground. Those (weight on wheels airplanes) are inhibited from transmitting. Even if they were not, tcas isn’t accurate enough to be used in that manner due to congestion, closure, map inaccuracies, and the fact that no real pilot is looking at his map screen when the window is available, on takeoff anyway. These pilots probably rejected due to visual cues or radio s/a, or both. Trust me they were more than happy nobody got hurt, and it wasn’t gonna be their fault. I doubt they were mad at the controller, just relieved they caught it quickly. This seems to be sped up quite a bit or edited, as the radio calls seem to be out of a realistic timeline. Makes the controller seem busier than he might have been. The fact that they just needed a few minutes to get set up for another takeoff indicates to me that the reject would have been at really low speed, else they would have needed to find out their braking energy tables and cool the brakes accordingly. Sorry to ramble.

@markg7963

5 жыл бұрын

Jaroslav Ševčík Thats all old procedure. We are fully up and running 2 or more minutes before we take the runway, so the tcas is in TARA, but weight on wheels inhibits transmitting to other aircraft, yet we can see aircraft that are airborne.

@jaroslavsevcik3421

5 жыл бұрын

@@markg7963 thanks very much for the update!

listening, surprised that there arent other accidents happening.

How many controllers are working there? Do they have ground radar? Seems like the FAA / NTSB will be looking into that.

@drmayeda1930

5 жыл бұрын

Stuff like ground radar isn't always a high priority.

Years ago I was in a small commercial turbo prop coming into LAX and with an open cabin you could see and hear everything. We got clearance to follow a 747 in the pattern and the pilot politely reminded the female ATC that she was taking a small plane directly into a jumbo jet’s wake. She snapped that either we follow or to initiate a go around. Pilot acknowledged and as we turned into the pattern we immediately inverted. While it seemed we were in that position forever it couldn’t have been more than a second or two as the pilot had anticipated what might happen. To make a long story short and in contrast to the unemotional reaction that we hear on this tape , my guy threw every fuck, shit and god damn at this ATC . Don’t know if it was transmitted to the tower but it was at least a 30 second championship rant. Nine passengers got off that plane at 9:15 am and we all went looking for a bar and a restroom to clean our underwear

@allenlark

3 жыл бұрын

Why the "female" atc

@susancanter2909

3 жыл бұрын

Did you have to add female? Sounds like a bigoted sexist here.

I would not be able to do that job or take the stress that goes with it.

If your in a plane as pilot at an airport you are either on ground or tower frequency? What is the difference ? if you are on one frequency you can’t hear the other at all? Thanks

Does someone have a link to the accident investigation report or an NTSB case number for this runway incursion?

I wonder what they told the pax for the reason of the RTO

@bskull3232

3 жыл бұрын

"Good morning ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We were just about to be murdered by the control tower, and we have reverted the situation. Now if you look out the windows, you will see smokes from our hot brakes, but I was given clearance from the same tower to take off again. Please seat tight and fasten your seat belt and pray. Cabin crew, prepare for take off." [quietly sets radio to 121.5, nervously pushes toga]

cleared for takeoff on 19c yet tells other aircraft to cross 19c while that united is rolling

@leviathan85

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, I watched the video also.

@StevieSmith77

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, we watched the video too

@JayJasperLondon

5 жыл бұрын

Bsp Productions Almost in the same sentence it’s giving me chills 💀

@arianzo

4 жыл бұрын

@@leviathan85 You watched it but he's explaining it to you.

A very serious error was made. And 326 knows it. But 326 did not add to the predicament. His behavior helped the situation. Truly professional action.

Apologies for being a little off-topic but I'm always confused why US ATCO's seem to speak so fast. Is it truly necessary? I appreciate that it can get very busy on frequency but does it waste much time slowing speech down and enunciating?

Could never do that job. Flying into small/regional airports was enough for me, and I still made mistakes just *repeating.* Hung up my wings decades ago. Hats off to these people, but it's high time to get both the ground and tower automated (as much as I despise it) with human oversight. Driver-less cars will save more lives, but this is also much needed.

"Remain on this frequency please" is the formal version of "I know you have time to call my boss while you're taxiing back around, but I really wish you wouldn't".

@jackielinde7568

5 жыл бұрын

AHGFlyGuy - "Remain on this frequency please" means "don't switch to other tower frequencies". It means that the tower was going to try and line up UAL326 for another takeoff attempt and needs to be in contact with them when they are ready. It had nothing to do with trying to prevent UAL326 from notifying United of the aborted incident. As for "not calling your boss", with the Boeing 737 MAX having an ACARS system and (I believe) three radios in the cockpit, the flight crew can stay on the frequency and still contact their boss. However, even if the flight crew wanted to do the bone headed thing and NOT report the aborted takeoff, with a plane full of passengers, at least two other planes on the same frequency, the tower's own recording system, other ATCs in the room, and people listening in on ATCLive.NET, keeping this under wraps isn't ever going to happen. Best thing for both the ATC involved and the flight crew of UAL326 is to report the incident as per guidelines. Punishment is always worse if you try to hide it.

@ahgflyguy

5 жыл бұрын

Jack Linde dude, I was kidding.

@RobertBardwell

5 жыл бұрын

@@jackielinde7568 doesn't find the humor in your ATC tomfoolery

@thomaspayne6866

5 жыл бұрын

If jack is a Pilot or ATC, I appreciate his distain for tomfoolery very very much.

UAL326: Possible ATC Deviation - Let me know when you have a pen and paper and I'll give you a number to call. LOL

IAD has Runway Status Lights, which are fully automated. If UA326 was on the runway, the runway entrance lights should have been red. Also, the Takeoff Hold lights should turn red if another aircraft enters the runway. Pilots are supposed to alert the controller if the RWSL are in conflict with clearance.

With all of the technology that exists today is it not possible to build a system that warns a controller if he puts two planes on a runway at the same time?

@rkan2

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, but everything in aviation comes 20 years later..

@Gordanovich02

5 жыл бұрын

Unions probably oppose it as it'd be taking work away from controllers.

@hanbulban3131

5 жыл бұрын

Well said I’m surprised it’s not automated at this stage

What's harder, aviating or communicating? I think I could probably fly with a few lessons but try to sort out the voice traffic seems impossible!

@talal1230

5 жыл бұрын

Barry West it’s not as much about sorting out voice traffic as much as it is about expecting some instructions. If you were just parked at gate and not ready to taxi/startup you wouldn’t expect much instructions. But when you are lined up and ready to go you are going to expect all the information and instructions. But you still have to hear for not only your instructions, but for instructions of aircraft in your vicinity to maintain situational awareness so you’re always listening and not really “sorting” as much :)

@LinkinLoris

5 жыл бұрын

Talal Tariq In certain counties in Europe (france, spain and italy), as well as Russia a lot of communication between local pilots/ATC is conducted in the local language- now that really messes with your situational awareness.

@talal1230

5 жыл бұрын

Edgar Burtnieks I mean, flying into Paris you wouldn’t expect French. But maybe at a regional airport you would, but then again, if you are flying domestically like that you should probably also know/learn the local language

@rtriasp

5 жыл бұрын

@@LinkinLoris This has been corrected in Spain, all communications over open radio channels are in English.

Slightly surprised UAL326 didn't call for a landing wheel/brake inspection before retrying takeoff. Must not have developed much _speed_ on ground before realizing problem first time around.

@xheralt

4 жыл бұрын

@All_Roads There are occasional references to V1 and V2, why not just V? Whatever. Fixing it calms this tempest in a teapot and costs nothing except a few seconds (more).

@xheralt

4 жыл бұрын

@@PilotBossify I'd been reading a lot of hard science fiction, so my thoughts were in that mode. Fixed now, so relax.

Scary but not as scary as being mere feet away from touchdown at McCarron and hearing the engines roar and realize we were gaining altitude. Another plane was on our runway and pilot had to make last second abort. Did get a great view of the strip while we circled around though.

When a pilot makes a mistake, you hear "possible pilot deviation, I have a number for you to call". So what happends when controllers make mistakes such as this?

@Jopanaguiton

4 жыл бұрын

If you listen @3:15 the controller got relieved from his post. Then the pilot will have to file an FER Flight event report which then be submitted and FAA can open an investigation.

@scrapironfish

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jopanaguiton Ok, I do think I hear a different voice all of a sudden, but I think they should advise when a new controller takes over. Pilots get "shamed" when they make a mistake by asking them over frequency to call a number, where in this case, a new controller takes over quietly.

@TheFlyingZulu

4 жыл бұрын

​@@scrapironfish Oh that controller was probably fired. Maybe if this was his first mistake ever and he was otherwise considered a good controller he was given a couple of weeks off to think about his mistake while the situation was investigated, given some retraining and allowed to keep it job.... But anyway he knew he had messed up and a supervisor was told right away no doubt. There's no need to shame the controller over the frequency.

@petertarantelli

4 жыл бұрын

scrapironfish ...they get taken off the radio for one thing

@FlyingSi

4 жыл бұрын

Patrick Jones you possibly don’t work in aviation. But we don’t ‘fire’ people for genuine errors. It’s called a Just culture. Once you head down that route mistakes are covered up and safety is reduced.

Potential catastrophic error. Whew.

ATC clearance does not negate the need for visual check. I hope some day we can have more of a stop gap system that can eliminate human errors. Imagine being an ATC at JFK, DFW, ORD, LAX....

You could definitely hear that one of the two pilots was pretty shaken up. Probably saw his life flash before his eyes.

Really feel bad for the controller, such an easy mistake to make, but so fundamental that that's probably it careerwise.

@BelowMinimums

5 жыл бұрын

Nah. He'll get an ass chewing and will probably have to do some training but he won't get fired.

@lm1584

5 жыл бұрын

no, they get retrained ..... 3 chances I think

@nbyz

5 жыл бұрын

Unless one of those chances was the big one...

@jmart2011

5 жыл бұрын

There are no "three chances." Assuming the proper self-reporting processes are followed, no punitive action can be taken against the controller. That does not mean the controller can't undergo skill enhancement or recertification training, however. (Source: I am an FAA ATCS)

@BollocksUtwat

5 жыл бұрын

I don't see the reason for punitive treatment if the mistake lead to a more severe outcome. That's just punitive with conditions. It seems like its about nothing but a blind sense of retribution on behalf of the so called ignorant public.

Feel for the guy. Human error can happen at any level, regardless of training. But you really can't make mistakes like this.

@thomaspayne6866

5 жыл бұрын

CoDWiiPS3Gameplay -- this is what I tell myself before I pull out.

Such a challenge to develop something way less prone to human and technical error then radios like these. Like a digital connection that sends typed commands (special keyboard for easy standardized phrases.) And then in the cockpit it is shown in text and said out loud by a computer. The pilot recieves it or not. No missing bits in the message, no distortion.

Add a voice recognition system as well as a airport control map AI. Have a 3 second delay on controller instructions for the system to proof them before transmitting them on frequency or alerting the controller of unallowed command. IE, would prevent controllers from giving aircraft conflicting clearances, collision courses. Yes I understand how advanced and futuristic this system probably is. Would also cripple controllers confidence if it ever went down. Hell I'd be happy just with an electric or physical airport layout and little models/markers for all aircraft. Then have color coded pegs to attach to the models. Red peg means cleared for takeoff, yellow means taxiing, green means at gate, and purple means crossing runway. So when the red peg is out, no purple pegs on the board. No overlapping yellow etc. Just move the pegs as orders are issued, so you can visualize where the plain is and what and where it is going.

@dave8599

4 жыл бұрын

a three second delay could also get folks killed. an order to hold, and order to abort if delayed can also be very bad.

the tower controller was struggling all throughout that video he sounded muddled and confused and i am not mistaken they swapped him out of that position straight after the incident

@petarbosi6864

5 жыл бұрын

Eeeeehhhh not rly tho

What is most disturbing is the controller forgot he cleared united 326 for takeoff😑Controller cleared 326 for takeoff then after 326 aborted takeoff controller asked if 326 was cleared to takeoff😣why clear an aircraft to taxi across a runway with another aircraft taking off by same controller? Crazy

@leviathan85

5 жыл бұрын

The only disturbing thing is exactly the fact that he forgot he had cleared them. That's why this happened. It's called human error, nobody is perfect. Thankfully there were checks and balances and good pilots that prevented this from being another Tenerife.

@sportnbigwood

5 жыл бұрын

This controller needs to be re-trained !

@joevignolor4u949

5 жыл бұрын

@@sportnbigwood I'm sure the controller knows he is not supposed to clear two airplanes to cross the same runway that another airplane is taking off from. He may have been tired or overloaded and he made a mental mistake. The investigation should find out exactly what occurred and take long term corrective action.

Dulles is at my back door. Oops. Oh my. Thanks for driving carefully

Not an expert or anything but I did note that 326 didn't repeat back and confirm their permission to take off like they usually do on comms, is it correct that they should have? Might have cleared any mistake after tower realised what they had ordered

45 seconds

Notice they changed controllers. Good luck at your new job.

Based on little but youtube videos, I make the following observations based on comments about how this error was made: 1) Quite often, I see pilots are busy doing checklists, especially immediately before and after take-off. Unless they hear their callsign, a lot of radio chatter can be missed while pilot and co-pilot are check+confirming these checklist procedures vocally. This is easily the reason taxiing aircraft blindly obeyed the controllers clearance to cross - they did not necessarily know an aircraft had been T/O cleared on the runway (although a standard check is to visually check the runway before crossing, 326 could easily have been mistaken for a "line-up and wait". 2) The same reason above is why 326 spotted the aircraft on the runway - Lineup-and wait instructions DIRECTED to 326 included warning about crossing aircraft BEFORE clearance for takeoff was granted - this is a deliberate safety measure (why tell a waiting aircraft about crossings ahead if they'll never get clearance to move before the runway is clear?). 3)Take-off roll continued after aircraft were cleared to cross likely because of vocal confirmations in the cockpit during and for roll-out (the pilots may or may not have heard the crossing clearances) 4) bear in mind the controller has been calling taxiway and runway numbers constantly - it's very easy to forget their meanings after many repetitions. for example, try saying "flying fortress" every minute for an hour. Do this for several hours a day. when does the aircraft stop appearing in your head when you say it, and just becomes words? avoiding cognitive repetitive training like this is probably the hardest thing a controller has to do, one day of being tired is enough to make a simple mistake, and doubling up on Situation awareness communications provides a backup against them (see 2). There is no blame, procedure was followed - that procedure has to (and does) include backups against human error, which is inevitable.

I would eat doo doo before I became an ATC or commercial pilot...amazing skill

AARRRGH! He sank my battleship!

Yes the controller made a huge mistake. Should he lose his job? Absolutely not. Most of you complaining about his mistake don't have half of the skills to be an air traffic controller. P.S. props to everyone involved on this incident by keeping it professional.

@firecrow7973

5 жыл бұрын

skills, HAHAAHHAHAHH

I think the procedural issue here is that TWR gave U326 permission to move to threshold and clearance all at the same time. Surely he gets permission to line up and wait and then permission to fly with a confirmation back frm 326 that he is in position and ready to take off in between those two communications. I'd guess the procedure was short circuited for reasons of time pressure.....

Excellent pilots. They did the right thing.

there has got to be a better way to do this...

@tryithere

5 жыл бұрын

Uber control

@leviathan85

5 жыл бұрын

I recently saw an airport that has flashing red LEDs on the taxiways in front of a runway entrance when a plane is taking off from a runway.

@tryithere

5 жыл бұрын

A lot if not all have that in one form or another.

@orionred2489

5 жыл бұрын

There is... we can't afford it.

@Adrian_Nel

5 жыл бұрын

@@orionred2489 This is apparently the story with most safety equipment...

He cleared to other planes to cross after he clear 326 for take off... rough night last night??

I understand the viewpoint of people saying that the controller got lucky and that he shouldn't be given a second chance because so many people's lives are at stake, but think about this...because he knows how lucky he was, he will probably be one of the most fastidious controllers around. He'll pay better attention because he'll torture himself with the what-ifs for quite some time. That's assuming of course that he doesn't end up losing his confidence and becomes unable due to the anxiety. In my experience, that's the way it'll go. They'll either be completely unable to do the job due to panic attacks, or they'll become one of the best in the field.

Thats called that task saturation.

Tenerife: Part Deux :(

@EGL24Xx

5 жыл бұрын

Tenerife was pilot error, this was ATC error

Notice he was immediately relieved by another controller.

@joemeyer6876

5 жыл бұрын

Joseph Szarmach He was NOT Immediately Relieved, he talked 326 all the way through the taxi! Controller shoulda been pulled at Reject, downgraded to Ramp, and Remediated.

If this happened to drivers on the freeway there would have been a road-rage crash probably involving multiple vehicles and possibly a shoot-out. Instead we don't even have any kind of call-out on frequency. Aviation: the last refuge of professionalism in America. "We rejected for aircraft on runway." Amazing.