I feel like every time I watch an event especially KOTT the rules on fouls are always changing.

@Average1212

Жыл бұрын

That is because it is a brand new organization trying to meld two rulesets and not piss everyone off in the process. The Rules have changed in one way or another in every KOTT event so far. And once it hits US soil you will see more changes yet. The rules will adapt to please the market that is making the money.

@khidhrhalab3543

Жыл бұрын

@@Average1212 isin't fair game the samething regardless of the place ? I think we should define a standard set of rules everywhere everyhow to push this sport to the level of other popular sports , otherwise , people will never agree and wins and losses will become relative to the place ,rules ,mindsets... just saying

@oceanwaves83

Жыл бұрын

Can we PLEASE just go back to the way it was, when Monster Michael Todd was allowed to hang his elbow off the back of the pad, and use his forearm bones to gas out his opponents effortlessly and just wait for them to be drained and take the easy pin? We desperately need to get back to that greatness. WAL 403, the pinnacle of arm wrestling.

@Average1212

Жыл бұрын

@@khidhrhalab3543 The problem with that is whose rules do you choose. In the last 20 years the rules and how they are applied vary drastically from NA and EU. So if we use EU rules NA pullers are disadvantaged and if we use NA rules EU pullers are at an disadvantage. Both KOTT and EvW are trying to balance to two, it isn't an easy task.

@iliketocomment8144

Жыл бұрын

They need to just chill and have something set in place. It’s getting ridiculous!

Love that you have your kids artwork hung up everywhere....you’re an awesome dad💯Hope you and the family have a blessed weekend, Devon🙏Appreciate you!

@FlintBeastgood

Жыл бұрын

And fanart.

@b3n751

Жыл бұрын

looks like he even lets the kids hang em up.

@YoureMad69

Жыл бұрын

Devons the man true fan favorite

@andreaskyriakopoulos2976

Жыл бұрын

If I remember well that awesome art on the wall was made by his brother for his kids !

@JR-ho5qm

Жыл бұрын

@@andreaskyriakopoulos2976 Yep^

Love how John was the only one at that meeting that caught it! I agree 100%. Hope all is well with the family. Keep getting stronger and stay healthy brother 💪

I like the use of running fouls to prevent either a 1) minor foul from ruining a nice pull or 2) a loser that knows he is losing is using an intentional foul to avoid the loss

@culliganator

Жыл бұрын

That and it puts the power in his competitor to continue or stop rather than the ref stopping the match.

@InsaneFame

Жыл бұрын

Running fouls suck. A score should always be a win, and a foul should always stop the action. That's how all sports work, no reason to change anything just for arm-wrestling.

@benn3819

Жыл бұрын

@@InsaneFame That is not true at all. In many sports ther is a "advantage rule" where the action continues after a foul. For example Football or Handball.

@InsaneFame

Жыл бұрын

@@benn3819 Not only isn't it in "many sports" but your "football" isn't football, and your "handball" isn't handball. Meaning those sports are so unpopular in the US that they have completely different meanings.

@benn3819

Жыл бұрын

@@InsaneFame In american football you can aslo reject a flag when it is in your favor. In the NHL the game carries on after a foul, till the team that fouls gets the puck.

I remember back in grade 9 when Devon came to my wrestling practice and showed us a bunch of stuff on arm wrestling. His arms felt like metal

Totally needed to be addressed. It's extremely important that these rules become consistent at the elite competition level. Fine tuning the consistency of ruling in the sport is a vital part of its continued success.

@culliganator

Жыл бұрын

They tuned it to meet the feelings of the WAF athletes who didn't understand the concept from the get go. Mixing the two fouling systems was a major mistake. It was to cater to those who do in fact like to stop matches for restarts. This is ingrained behavior by knuckleheads who don't know what's best for the sport.

I Agree 100% Devon i wish you was There Buddy show everyone how its Done stay massive💪💥🙏

This mans pumping out content like a true chad. Love that we are getting so much content to watch everyday

@garyday3440

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@112jungle

Жыл бұрын

Who is this Chad?

@AtTheSourceStudios

Жыл бұрын

Def wouldn't call Devon a Chad smh way off bud

@jasonfritz838

Жыл бұрын

One running foul on you for using the stupid term Chad.

@anonymous-me2so

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonfritz838 lol

Thanks for the explanation, was always curious about the rules on running fouls, etc.

No Limits...to the amount of quality content 😎💪

Stay massive Devon💪

Love your Brothers paintings, Devon. All the best to you.

Perfect explanation sir.

@devlarratt

Жыл бұрын

💪

@alphawolf8031

Жыл бұрын

​@@devlarratt King Devon the *Wolverine* chad

I feel like fouls are part of the sport somewhat. Its hard to say what a loosing position is sometimes especially for certain guys. I do sort of like the concept of the foul system you brought up. So the person is forced to either foul over and over and loose or they have to win and restart the match. Its a really cool concept which is going to make a huge difference for a lot of people. Its really hard to tell what gives an advantage or not because all fouls in some way change the advantage a bit.

@artek0050

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I feel like John brought this up because he was essentially gamed out of multiple pins this way against ongorbaev and as a spectator while the match was great those moments seemed quite sour. It's fair game if it is within the rules but it just seemed cheap. It was a smart move on ongorbaev's part.

@pzych0p4th

Жыл бұрын

@@artek0050 Dont you mean Irakli Zirakashvili? I know he did this in their recent match, and its so unsportsmanlike imo.

@visearms5774

Жыл бұрын

I have no idea what a "loosing" position is either. Is it when the hands slip apart? Or maybe when the strap is loose and comes off?

@mags7054

Жыл бұрын

@@visearms5774 Losing position. The person who's hand is closest to being pinned is considered to be in a "losing position". But like we saw with Ermes vs Levan in the 3rd and or 4th round, even though Ermes hand was closer to being pinned, "losing position", he was holding Levan when Levan fouled, and it very much looked like Levan was gassing out, this would have been very possible win for Ermes. This would have resulted in first 3 rounds to Levan, 4th round to Ermes, and then if Levan cannot continue, the match ends 3-3, which goes to a 7th round to determine the winner, which in this case would have gone to Ermes. The reffs bad decision making very possibly cost Ermes from winning and preventing what would have been one of the greatest Armwrestling matches in history.

DOING BETTER NOW💯

We love you brother

You know what Devon I'm doing good! How are YOU doing today? Lol your the king of the armwrestling world and 100 years from now your name will still ring bells. No limits. Ps I will buy a strap for sure

@DWO619

Жыл бұрын

Somebody needs to come up for some air

@a.j.leclair5426

Жыл бұрын

@@DWO619 dude you have replied on my comments before! Are you stocking me? Like wtf haha

@DWO619

Жыл бұрын

@@a.j.leclair5426 are you stalking me everytime I put a comment out you're always on their listen bro I'm not gay

@a.j.leclair5426

Жыл бұрын

@potentx01 lol thanks by far the funniest reply I've gotten in a while

@a.j.leclair5426

Жыл бұрын

@@DWO619 you replied on my comment and you have before 😂 I've never replied in yours... I don't think 🤔

the problem in KOT rules is that if i made a small foul i got punished more than if i made a large foul. and there is no sens in this.

totally agree - running fouls it is. I enjoyed the WAL system.

I would legit take an armwrestling class with this guy as the professor.

@travis3168

Жыл бұрын

Well he quite literally puts on these siminars all over the world, so if u r really interested In taking his class u can make it happen

Devon, will you face Denis next if he Beats John tomorrow at KOTT?

@joshtheflatearthjedi222

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@BarryLMH

Жыл бұрын

Yess I do

@jolteon1019

Жыл бұрын

Imagine Denis holding Devon and yelling "come on Devon what ya got there, show me all you got!!" And making Devon pin himself 🤩😆

@acrabwithahat4303

Жыл бұрын

@@jolteon1019 ur living in a little dream. Where denis and Devon stand denis will not be holding Devon it would be the other way around. This upcoming match will determine where denis is right now

@jolteon1019

Жыл бұрын

@@acrabwithahat4303 yea im very excited and got the ppv! Hopefully Denis can show he´s still worthy. I don´t doubt it.

Nothing like the arm wrestling community. The comradeship, content, memes, trash talk, testosterone. I’m here for it all. Found Devons videos in 2016 and now can’t get enough of the whole armwrestling world.

good point

I agree, I don't understand why the deviation from the WAL running fouls since it makes the most sense without stopping the match.

The only problem with running fouls is that they call runners on micro jumps. Which they shouldn’t. It should be like EvW where they don’t call the small jumps.

@devlarratt

Жыл бұрын

Agree. Loose running foul system is best

@alienschmaliens

Жыл бұрын

Correction. East vs west calls almost every micro foul on western pullers, just not Brznk and Devon.

@quiet216

Жыл бұрын

@@alienschmaliens wrong. I’ve watched every east vs west supermatch.

@alienschmaliens

Жыл бұрын

@@quiet216 Plzzzz . go watch again... Just look at how fast the fouled mmt and everyone knows he wasn't past parallel... Even Travis Bagent was pointing out how some pullers get huge favors from refs while others get nothing. Just go watch how they cheated Chance Shaw so badly last east vs west bro.

@quiet216

Жыл бұрын

@@alienschmaliens look at Oleg Petrenko vs Muratov. Muratov pinned Oleg like 8 times and it wasn’t called. There’s no bias, just mistakes or blindness. I do agree that the refs can do better.

Armwrestling is a beautiful sport but it has it's dirty side, as you said at the end of your match against Chaffee, can get unsportsmanlike

Good evening bud hope you and Jody and the kiddos are doing well

I was wondering when devon was gonna make this video specially after the rules meeting at KOTT6.

Devon you need to attend those rules meetings even if you're not competing, lol.

Just lmao at KOT rules punishing people for a smaller foul vs a larger one by making them win for a restart on a small foul vs an instant restart on a large one. Bill is braindead

@bradgrundy512

Жыл бұрын

exactly

@culliganator

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

WAL got the running fouls perfect. They also had the perfect pin pad height.

The reffs bad decision making very possibly cost Ermes from winning and preventing what would have been one of the greatest Armwrestling matches in history. Ermes vs Levan in the 3rd and or 4th round, even though Ermes hand was closer to being pinned, "losing position", he was holding Levan when Levan fouled, and it very much looked like Levan was gassing out, this is a very possible win for Ermes. This would have resulted in first 3 rounds to Levan, 4th round to Ermes, and then if Levan cannot continue, the match ends 3-3, which goes to a 7th round to determine the winner, which would have gone to Ermes. Your idea for fouls Devon sounds like a very very good idea. Anything crazy, call it unsportsman and the person simply loses match. Anything unsportsman could cause serious injury, which is already possible between two very good guys at the table.

This is the only channel I look forward to watching on KZread Keep up the good work bud 💪🏼

@Zyon1111

Жыл бұрын

Sad to you. There are many armwrestling channels better than this one.

@jonathanstuart5893

Жыл бұрын

@@Zyon1111 in your opinion mate,, it’s more the man than the channel

John got royally screwed in the irakli match. With the elbow foul automatic restart. We need WAL running fouls in all supermatch promotions.

EvW has had the best foul system to date, 2 fouls, no running fouls. Refs it loosely, no elbow bobble fouls. Best of 5. That said, the only variation I like about KoT, is the number of rounds. Get to see an all out demolishing of someone 6-0 or a hour long war of 4-3. It’s nice to have some differing round sets but foul rules being so different everywhere is annoying.

Petition for Devon to be the global governing body for armwrestling rulesets and standardisation 💪🏻

First video where I can no longer see your Levan tear.

I'm not a fan of the current running foul system. Until the Sandris match I didn't realise that you had to pin for a restart.

@Average1212

Жыл бұрын

There are a few running foul systems today. WAL if you foul you need to pin for a restart, the person fouled against can foul or lose for a restart AW if you foul you need to pin for a restart, if the person fouled against fouls the match is live again. Current KOTT, some mix of running and hard fouls makes no sense at all. The WAL running foul is the only one that makes sense as it only punishes the person that fouls and never puts someone in a stronger position by commiting a foul.

I totally agree as a viewer.

I agree!!!

Yeah it makes so much more sense the way you describe it. I thought it was unfair to Ermes to stop the restart the match when Levan fouled after being brought back across center

I've only been watching 2 years, so still picking up on certain things like the deliberate fouls at EvW, foul in a losing position etc. Love videos like this that explain it all in a way newcomers can understand going forward. Thanks champ :)

for the first time in a long time I think a critique you made was so clear and indisputable that no one can disagree. This seems especially appropriate with the arbitrary grayness of EvW and their foul rules. I think if they adopt this, then it would smooth out most issues they currently have with their foul system. Especially the randomness and subjectiveness of referee calls.

Can you do a video on what injuries you have had, what you do to stop injuries? I love arm wrestling and am very good at it. But, I am always injured for months. Like real bad, I have a hard time working. Lifting is not an option. It is elbow and shoulder. Usually elbow/tricep

@travis3168

Жыл бұрын

Just curious, how r u "very good " at armwrestling but u stay injured and can't lift or train.

The only thing I found weird about WALs system was the 3 count... When one person is holding their elbow up on purpose to lose. Since you won't pin your opponents. Easily could be fixed by if you remove hand from peg and lift elbow it's like resigning so it isn't so awkward.

Nice vid Devon. must be a bit frustrating that despite the extreme growth of the sport, the ruleset in professional matches seems to keep going backwards since the WAL/KOTT1 days

I love u bro. for reaction.

Running foul should be applied only to prevent the run from a loss to have a restart. If A elbow fouls and gets the position for a instant win-> restart. If A elbow fouls but they hella fight for a nother 2 minutes, and A get a win-> should be stil a win.(if B want to restart he should let go in some seconds after A fouls out) If A elbow fouls, but some how get back to neutral position->match should continue-> then if A wins-> still a win

Massive

Well god damn, it turned out to really matter for the Levan vs Ermes match. I still don't get what could've Ermes lost, if it was a running foul instead of stop foul..

Ermes is in big trouble.

I remember back in the old days of hands to opponents elbows. We used to sit square across a table, wrap hands, put opposite hands to elbows...and then give'er shit. Forearms were the pads. In the next week or two I'll probably join the OVHH, as I live in Pembroke, and look forward to meeting you. Poor beerman will be guarding his beer, lol.

I'd like to see Denis vs Ermes in the future. At weigh in Ermes only has 17 pounds on current Dennis. Them both at 290-300lbs would be epic.

John Brzenk in the house, greatest of all time! That guy doesn't play.

Irakli has become a master of knowing when to foul out of a match and get the restart, I'm not sure I agree with that system on East vs West as it just becomes an easy out if you're not happy with your position, cheers.

Do visit SHILLONG please we need you with us Sir🙏

Hey Devon, were you kinda involved in making (refining) of WAL rules system ?

They should have asked me about the *fouls*

Should there be technological improvements? Lasers or weight sensors to detect fouls, force sensors to detect early starts, light system for the go,...

I'm all for any rule set that doesn't reward the fouling party to get restarts in an effort to wear down their opponents stamina.

Yes wal rule set for fouls makes it fair for both sides and should be adopted standard

Yeah. Not big on 'professional' fouls for restarts.

Running fouls are pretty good.

@devlarratt

Жыл бұрын

🦆

Please start streaming

Clicked the thumbnail because of Derek Rants meme about Diagolon \\\\

you it's the real king of this sport, forever. No doubt

The problem with running fouls is that it introduces an extra layer of complication to the game. This adds more pressure on the referees who are already having a tough time calling things correctly even with a simpler system. I agree that without the running fouls you can do a professional foul to escape a potential loss, but that benefit is enjoyed by both athletes and you can do it only once per round. Also you can do a professional running foul to gain a huge advantage when you are about to lose. What is the point of allowing the match to continue then?

I think the 2 Foul Systhem in a best of 5 is the way to go. its much better because you can abuse the system way less.

When will we see more DeathBlaster?

@FlintBeastgood

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking about that the other day.

@douglasenzor48

Жыл бұрын

What is that?

@AlexKingOfTheDegenz

Жыл бұрын

@@douglasenzor48type in Death Blaster Jujimufu

🐺🐺🐺 The world needs JoeyJustaFoulo!!!

Irakli's foul against John in the middle rounds at EvW was one of the most blatant I've seen, and John's reaction said it all. Was shaping up to be a great battle but Irakli got the restart.

@andreaskyriakopoulos2976

Жыл бұрын

Watch Devon vs Matt back in WAL .

John vs Iralki was a perfect example of the abuse of these rules. The rules and referees should never be a factor in the outcome of any sport.

Greetings from Germany

Just have the running foul but 2 fouls per round.If you get called on a runner you option are. -Fight for the pin to get a restart. - Don’t go for the pin but defend to an eventual loss. Make your opponent work. - commit another foul and be done with it. Giving 3 fouls just gives the offender an easy out.

@culliganator

Жыл бұрын

Making your opponent work is still your opponent's choice under a proper running fouls system. They can lay down or foul for the restart or try to get the pin.

yeah we wouldn't want any winner because there is foul and we didn't see it or just ignore it! if you win in a clean way then that's to be proud off

Hey Devon so what happens in a match if you get 2 fouls? Do you need to get back to back pins that then be able to get a win??

Does someone know why would shoulder over center be a dangerous position?

A small local tournament I entered soured my view on refs. having too much power over the pull. I'm a classic toproller. Post and pronate strong, peel the fingers and wrist back, if they slip, do it again, but in the straps. Match 1: I end up pulling a short and stocky hook puller. I post and pronate and he loses his wrist and bails underneath. I was called for an intentional slip and given a foul, which even he agreed afterward was crazy. The second round goes the exact same way. I peel him open and he bails underneath. I lose the first round and go to the loser's bracket. Match 2 (First match in losers bracket): I'm just way stronger than the guy (No offense to him, since he's only 17 and 50lbs. lighter), so I was able to pin him just using a side pressure and congratulate the guy for having the cojones to step up against men 2x his size. Match 3 (2nd match in losers bracket to advance to winners): The guy is strong, keeps pulling me all over the place while getting our grips. Ref. says nothing except take your grips for like 3 minutes straight. Eventually I let him have what he wants and when they say go I blast back and pronate and he literally lets go and I GET FOULED for intentional slipping again. Now I have a dilemma...toproll, guy lets go and I lose OR I can go into a hook with a guy that is a much better hooker than I am. Well since I didn't want to lose an entire tournament on fouls, I decided to try to hook the guy and it was closer than I thought, but he had too much for me in a hook. PS: I don't believe these guys even had a strap because I never saw one and every slip was called as an intentional foul. Personally I don't believe these guys should have been running even a small armwrestling tournament and I told them as much. (Now I'm banned...and I don't care.) Also there was only one weight class. Guys from 350lbs down to 170 were put against each other. I'm 225 and had to pull the 170 teenager and felt sorry for him. To add insult to injury, the promoter and ref was the older brother of the eventual winner overall and 2nd place was his uncle. Long story short: I went to a poorly (or possibly corrupt) AWing tourney and felt cheated. Even if the entry fee was only $20, traditional AWing rules weren't enforced and a lot of bogus fouls were called leading to the organizers brother and uncle winning 1st and 2nd place. PSS: They also shut down their FB page shortly after this because so many people were complaining after they uploaded videos of the matches.

More complex rules make for shittier reffing.

The whole foul thing truly changed the Levan Ermes match anyone that knows arm wrestling knows it. Only Levan fans defend it.

Lifting ur elbow to get a restart cuz of a foul ... just senseless like we saw irakli doing vs john... not fair :)

Is a Charlie manson on the pic behind you bro 😂...

Hi boss dev

I agree, a foul is a foul. Can't leave the motive of the foul up to interpretation. I also don't like seeing what's clearly an intentional foul to restart the match. However, I don't blame the pullers for doing it. Because those are the rules. But those rules should change.

That how uncle jon got away with the javelin

I've been waiting for this video for a long time. Stoppage fouls make zero sense to me. At this level of the sport, every match and how it unfolds from the ready-go is important; and the stoppage foul only hurts the person who has the advantageous position. Running fouls allow a match to unfold the way it was meant to. Stoppage fouls are like TV breaks for armwrestling. Nobody enjoys them except for the competitor using it as a cop-out.

Unrelated question: if your opponent has their arm all the way to the front of their pad and still can’t get their webbing equal to their opponents, is it their opponents responsibility to in some way lower their webbing by either backing up their elbow or lowering their hand angle? Not singling you out, I feel like this is an issue across the board that hasn’t been addressed effectively.

Agreed. Running foul is meant to continue the match and not let people intentionally foul to get a restart.

What if you get 1/2 a point if you win on a running foul

The WAL has the best rules for entertainment and supermatches except for the size of the pads. KOTT rules were good in the beginning and they keep needlessly changing them

Perfect example, John and Irakli

285 pound Devon.

Why don't you stream on Twitch or KZread playing some games like Mortal Kombat and interact with the chat?

I hope MMT is watching

What about a minor running foul and a major running foul? Minors would be no advantage gained which would allow the round to go live again after certain time like armwars where a major foul would result in having to win the round for a restart instead of a stop foul

Hey Devon. I have a specific question: A couple of times you have talked about strenghtening joiunts, recovery and about the whole stem cell topic. Since im more of an injury prone type regarding my wrists (which sucks a lot since they are crucial to get stronger) while lifting (not extreme!) weights or doing sports in general, i am EXTREMELY interested in how you as an experienced armwrestler move around injuries and how long you guys heal & recover, how you guys strenghtening not only muscles (thats the "easier" part) but tendons, joints, ligaments and so on..im talking about all those things, that heal wayyy longer than any muscles do. Also i am interested about "joint supplements" like collagen and all things you can do on the sideline to get healthier joints. Last but no least, some more content about the whole stem cell topic would be awesome too, even tho it seems like very expensive at the moment. Since you armwrestling guys are training, working and fighting with your wrists for years and such an intensity and have such an special knownledge about those things, i would be more than THANKFUL to get some insightful knownledge. The orthopedic docs (wrist "specialists"...) i have visited, were not really helpful on that matter, sadly. I dont want to hear "just stop doing sports" or 0815 stuff anymore. I know that there are ways, to progress slowly and healthy, especially in terms of strengtening joints and tendons. I just wannt learn the best way to do this. Again, this would mean the world to me and maybe this would help a LOT OF GUYS & GIRLS out there, that are fascinated by this sport or sport in general, but are kind of hesitating because of pain, injuries or "weak joints". A video would be super cool! I would even pay for that to be honest. Thank you very much and please keep going with the contet. I am enjoying this channel a lot. :)

Foul play🤷🏻‍♂️

It's a nightmare for a referee to conduct arm wrestling super matches

DEVON LARRATT. you have to WAKE UP. You have to become a real monster to beat a monster. you have to gain muscle mass like your opponents have done. I ALWAYS dreamed of seeing you beat cyplenkov and the other monsters. but it NEVER happened. WAKE UP friend. greetings.

I do like running fouls because i hate tactical fouls.