there's always a Twist at the end... kzread.info/dash/bejne/aGqhqK9_e7LZg9I.html

When a villain - when a *creature of literal music* - shits themselves at a hidden song, you KNOW something is bad.

I’d be so hyped for them to connect back to The Sarah Jane Adventures. Plus the Trickster was such a cool villain.

Guys it’s 99% sure it is the trickster. 1) RTD expressed interest in the Tricksters character back in lockdown also clamping if he was still part of doctor who the trickster would be the first long term villain he’d do and he’d be recycling a storyline he had planned many years ago. 2) in a few interviews mainly the tales of the tardis a few trickster related things are popping up which literally have no relevance what so ever. 3) This video. The song within Ruby is identical the song played with the trickster puzzle box. 4) RTD in 2010 write a story for the Sarah Jane Adventure in which a character called Sky would be left in the door step of Sarah Jane’s house. Sky would become an innocent child who loved Sarah Jane, but Sky was the daughter of the trickster, and when she’d find out she’d work against Sarah Jane to the point the trickster would have control of Sarah Jane’s technology like Mr smith bring chaos down. The story we see now is very similar with Ruby. Ruby is left by cloaked figure like in SJA and every thing we have seen so far shows us that RTD is doing the same story that was intended with Sky. 5) Ruby is a pantheon it’s as clear as day on the snow alone. Only a Pantheon had such powers to do those things. I’m actually quite surprised the doctor hasn’t worked this out yet pretty obvious especially when the last two people he defeated were also Pantheons. Every single thing. And I mean every single thing point back to the trickster and based on what RTD said he’d do first I think it’s 99% certain it’s the trickster.

@mikaelastefkova

25 күн бұрын

Also, the pointing of a finger at the Doctor in the Space babies, it's something the Trickers did too!

@KroanC

19 күн бұрын

Also… It’s mentioned in The Giggle that UNIT is using Triad Technology. Which Triad Tech could be used to attack UNIT. If you want to stretch it or go further back, is it just me or is it too coincidental how The Doctor and Donna get back together? At ‘coincidentally’ the exact right time and place, an alien crash lands and, coincidentally, gets affiliated with Donna immediately. Sure you can say it’s just writing them back together and nothing special, but if Triad Technology is already established in The Giggle that means that the Trickster was already plotting out his plan at that time. Who knows? Maybe The Trickster had the Meep secretly work for him to get The Doctor and Donna together.

@xyreniaofcthrayn1195

19 күн бұрын

3) onwards the tricksters theme is covering up Carol of the bells not the tricksters theme itself meaning ruby is associated with Christmas spirits than the trickster.

@Bigwhovianguy-md1zq

17 күн бұрын

Well this has all aged well, the one who waits is……sutekh

@Lee-xm1xk

17 күн бұрын

@@Bigwhovianguy-md1zqI reckon we’ll see him in future seasons though, especially as he was name dropped

Further compounded by the Trickster being confirmed to be part of the same Pantheon as the Maestro

HEAR ME OUT. In the trailer of 73 yards, it seems as if the doctor vanishes, in Sarah Jane adventures (what ever happened to Sarah Jane) SHE ALSO DISAPEARS. AM I ONTO SOMETHING……….

@Whodini-Edits

Ай бұрын

Holy fucking shit

@LuShadow357

Ай бұрын

Oh snaps!!!!!!

@SuperverseProductions

Ай бұрын

You're reaching I'm afraid as the episode is dedicated to Welsh Folklore not the Trickster so I feel this might be a bit far reaching.

@runeguardian

Ай бұрын

@@SuperverseProductions but, Trickster bloodline powering a Welsh pocket-of-time spell might be a good twist.

@eh708

Ай бұрын

You were onto… NOTHING! 😂😂😂

The melodies are different, but it might just be a little hint

Slightly different notes but it's probably just Murray Gold repeating motifs which is very common

@blue43shadow43

18 күн бұрын

gold only composed the title theme of SJA

Now that you mention, it would be interesting if the Trickster was "The Oldest One" and/or "He Who Waits", and it would make sense with the Trickster being an old enemy of the Doctor. And it would make sense for the Toymaker to be afraid of the Trickster who, himself, is a powerful supernatural entity.

So the Trickster is coming to Doctor Who

@stephenmurphy2212

Ай бұрын

The Trickster is The One Who Waits! The One Who Waits is Ruby’s biological mother. That hooded figure looks a bit like the Trickster. It all makes sense for the Toymaker to be afraid of the trickster since the trickster is a force to be reckoned with.

@NonStopV2

Ай бұрын

The Trickster may not return due to the fact they have to credit Gareth Roberts who is a transphobe

@amiibantnmrn8268

Ай бұрын

@@NonStopV2 russell already posted photos with a known transphobe who supposedly has a role in an episode of doctor who coming up so i don't think it's beyond him

@carsforever4002

Ай бұрын

@@amiibantnmrn8268Who is that person?

@ryanhelton1865

Ай бұрын

@@stephenmurphy2212the hooded figure is ruby when she is also the trickster. RTD wrote this story back 2010 it was to be used in SJA with the character Sky. Sadly due to her death it was never made but the writing remains. The similarities are countless between what we’ve seen so far with Ruby character and what we’d have seen with Sky. She will be innocent till she meets her farther the trickster only for her to then become just like him trick the doctor to the point the trickster then has the power of the tardis to unleash chaos on misery, and the hooded person will be Ruby putting her self in to play. She is a pantheon I’m surprised the doctor has worked this out yet it’s pretty obvious in how she can make it snow alone only pantheon being is pantheon is capable of such things

The melodies are different, likely because of rights reasons, but I would assume that's the new Trickster theme.

This gave me chills! The fact that you picked up on that 😵

i really hope its the trickster it would be an amazing tribute to elizabeth sladen to have the story she wasnt able to do be in her memory

You know it;s really bad when the villain shows the wait gesture

Tysm for using my theory! 💜 If he’s back, It’s going to make series 1 that much better for so many people!! Let’s hope we’re right 🔥

This is like saying a character is the true king of westeros - laying seeds for an entire series and then revealing it only to send them beyond the wall… Smart twist rtd, you been watching any other series with these subversions of expectations?… (Im still in denial - she’s still the child of the trickster until they address the music and the snow properly)

I was already thinking the figure might be the Trickster or related to the Trickster in some way. After seeing, this I am confident they are connected now.

@ryanhelton1865

Ай бұрын

RTD is essentially doing the story intended for SJA which never got made. If he is and I think it’s 99% certain it will be more than likely Ruby will become exactly like her farther the Trickster and the person who leaves Ruby on the door step will be herself putting the wheels in motion.

And the cube is in the memory tardis AND in 73 yards

@XiscoLozdob

Ай бұрын

Where is the cube in 73 yards?

@oranmccann2476

Ай бұрын

73 Yards isn't out yet

@Corlwow

Ай бұрын

@@oranmccann2476 there are set pictures - the cube is in one :). I don’t think anyone’s noticed yet har har

@Corlwow

Ай бұрын

@@XiscoLozdob on a desk on top of Albion party papers/posters/propaganda :)

@oranmccann2476

Ай бұрын

@Corlwow I haven't seen those

Think it may not be exactly what we believe it is on multiple levels across realities of music treads lead to intelligence who saw the Doctor's life throughout time. Remember The Snowflake and Snowmen the lines are drawing closer to the tune of those beating drums. Two different characters affect this story's outcome one is considerably a pathway to the other. Library and Moon and Great Intelligence and the child, and a Snowflake. Think Crystal's and Guardians and Great Intelligence are particularly involved.

I think you see Clyde fidget with that same cube in Tales Of The Tardis.

The trickster… One of the doctors greatest villains and he ain’t even been in the show lol

It reminds me of the song that the floating alien sings in Invasion of the bane

This just triggered my fight or flight response 😬

SARAH JANE ADVENTURES LESS GOO

In the recent season and the specials they brought back The Toymaker and Sutekh, this is practically confirmation.

I hope this is true, I still have ptsd from series 6, I was so sure omega was gonna return 😭😭😭

@wheatley9601

Ай бұрын

I thought the meta crisis doctor was going to be the valeyard and the hybrid in hell Bent 😂

Gahh I knew it sounded familiar, i thought it was odd

I think it could happen but I have my doubts, as if you know the person who created the Trickster you know he's done some pretty bad stuff. And if it includes paying him then they should just create a new character that does a similar thing that the Trickster does since his influence is what makes him scary, not the character himself, his design is scary though, if they do make a new character like a Sister or something I think that should be how the Trickster is represented in the future. I think it would be more likely to be the Meddling Monk if it is something important to time, maybe even Time itself as it did say in Flux it would eventually catch up to her, well in Power Of The Doctor it did but even then who's to say it doesn't do it again. It could also just be a new character, Russell has confirmed there is no villains returning this season. Although you never know. I do think however if the Toymaker is scared then it would have be a really big threat, possibly bigger than the Trickster. If you don't know the Toymaker has stated he turned God into a Jack-In-The-Box in the Giggle and in the Nightmare Fair Novel the Sixth Doctor acuses the Toymaker of setting up the Space Time Vortex only for him to reply that he is the Space Time Vortex. Also focusing more on classic lore, the Toymaker never used to only manipulate atoms (the Giggle is just a plot hole mess for the Toymaker since how does he create pocket universes if some of the key ingredients for universes require stuff that is almost certainly not made of atoms? The Giggle is a character ruining experience for me.) but instead manipulated Reality. Yeah. Really put's it into perspective. He is also a Guardian Of Time. And apparently he and the Doctor are from the same universe. We know the Toymaker used to be a creator so it is very likely he created the Doctor before becoming the game playing mastermind he is now. So yeah, put it like that and the Trickster, while possibly a threat to the Toymaker I doubt would be so powerful the Toymaker would be scared, especially since if he won anyway, his realm would be destroyed with the Trickster in it, it may not destroy him but would definitely be a big blow.

@charlesboden7059

19 күн бұрын

I don't know for sure, but I think it's just Terry Nation and Bob Baker that have those kind of deals. I think, for example writers can use Weeping Angels/Cpt Jack whenever they want to and Moffat doesn't get any residuals on the characters themselves. I can't find anything concrete though, but hopefully it means RTD can use a character he's been very vocal about having had plans for without Gitlord Rancid making any money. Tbh I can't even find a source saying he did create the character. It might well be that Russell did and the transphobe just happened to write the episodes that he appeared in. They'll be something delicious about this character that he's so connected with being in an episode with Yasmine Finney!

I think we know it is the Trickster now. The only other thing it could be now is RTD having fun at fans expense which is also fun! 😄 The fact the Trickster left a child with SJS (sadly the final season not completed due to Liz's death) means either RTD wanted to complete that story in another way in DW or, he like many writers goes back to the same well over and over - which he does also do. The pointing in the this weeks episode by the hooded figure (I think we saw that before this series?) but that is also something the Trickster did in SJA.

But the Hidden Song is Carol of the Bells, Connecting her back to the church on Ruby Road on Christmas

@Wazszsa

Ай бұрын

The hidden song is Carol of the Bells, yes, but the notion of something being wrong with Her happens when the musical note triggers. It seems to be implied that there is a connection to the Trickster, and much more going on, deeper…

@ipwilliams2000

Ай бұрын

@@Wazszsa wouldn’t the hidden song be the one that is her connection to the parent and not the 7 note aura that precedes it?

@Wazszsa

Ай бұрын

@@ipwilliams2000 That’s certainly where the focus is directed, yes, but it’s important to note how focal-misdirection works, especially in “show, don’t tell”, which has always been one of Russell’s strengths. You could layer multiple clues and devious plot options, even if only one is meant to be obvious. It’s actually quite clever when you think about it.

@celestial-toymaker

Ай бұрын

@@Wazszsa Just plain logic. The one who waits was described by Maestro as the most ancient of them, so a godlike entity enough powerful to scare "him/her" and the Toymaker. The figure of Ruby's parent at Church of Ruby road wears a hooded dress similar to the Trickster. The trickter having no face, what represent his absence of sexual identity match very well with values transmitted by the new series. The trickster feed on pure chaos, contrary to Toymaker and Maestro who feed on a structured type of energy. In greek mythology, and in fact simply in real world, "chaos" is the most primordial of primordial gods.

@Sparx632

Ай бұрын

Maestro said the Oldest One couldn’t have been there the night of Ruby’s birth, perhaps the Oldest One is the Trickster and he used the song Ruby sings at first to cover Carol of the Bells and hide his presence which is why Maestro gets annoyed and then confused and scared.

Maestro did say something about a pantheon....

@shemdellashemygd29

Ай бұрын

The doctor did

So my belive now is the trickster is using Suthek for something mayby as a distraction

He is coming

The trickster has always been described as one of the pantheon, I don't think it really fits that’s he's also the one who waits. I do hope the trickster returns, even if it's just as Ruby's parent, but I hope the one who waits is someone else.

@mrmrmadlad9167

Ай бұрын

I think the Pantheon of Discord and the Toymaker’s Pantheon are different. Remember that the Doctor described the Toymaker as being “play”, rather than either order or chaos. The Pantheon of Discord, on the other hand, are all about chaos. The Trickster straight up says it’s his food and drink.

@Fractal_Noise

Ай бұрын

@mrmrmadlad9167 Maybe, though when you look at what the toymaker does in The Giggle, despite being "play" he basically causes mass chaos on earth.

props to Millie Gibson's voice, it sounds the exact same

I felt like everyone was jumping on board a fruitless theory... but that is convincing. They're not identical, but it's the same vocal style (I don't know what the technical musical term is). I shall remain open-minded, but great spot to those who noticed.

My main issue with comparing them is that the trickster theme is very dissonant and minor. Ruby’s “song” finishes the phrase and doesn’t have the same dissonance. So if there is a connection I would guess Ruby is more of the opposite of the trickster

Interesting Dr who going down Gods of Chaos roots.

Cool theory. I don't particularly hear the connections, save the eerie quality and minor key.

Listen to the very first episode with rose Tyler does her melody not sound the exact same as the melody in the background and a little like roses 🌹

0:10 0:48 That's fucking insane lol

So many theories about ms flood the trickster Susan twist rubys biological mother are any of these characters the one who waits

WAIT IT'S ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME...

The Trickster isn't ruby's mother, but I'm so confused about this scene though.

Ok it is about the music but the tune ruby sung was not this. The 14th doctor told us the message is slow. Maestro said its in a minor key and i scoured last night.. Ruby is humming the tenth doctors theme in a slower minor key

SHES SKY!

Now I haven’t stuck both melodies next together and isolated the sounds and all that jazz but… I’m 98% certain those are two completely different songs haha 😂 Whole different notes, and I’m pretty sure different tempos. They *might* be the same key though? Again, no music expert, but I am also certain these aren’t the same song.

It makes no sense to me. I think that the trickster is involved, but if he's part of the pantheon of discord... Well the toymaker nor the maestro hid their identities, and if they're all in the same pantheon I'd assume they'd be on mostly friendly terms. the toymaker said he saw him hiding and he ran, Maestro seemed equilly displeased to discover the one who waits. And why would they hide the identity too? Why would they cower? It's simple... >> Because Maestro said the one who waits is the oldest one, but they never said anything about the pantheon. There is only one evil scary monstrous god like being I could think of that would be scary enough to make the others run away. The beast from the impossible planet and the satan pit. He did say he was from before time.

Need the Trickster back! Especially with all the susan twist cameos

If this is right then people will be thrown off if they haven't seen Sarah jane

its kinda sad that they are connecting this to the sarah jane adventures when sarah janes actress is dead

Whats the actual name of this ost tho?

@DaringNote62

Ай бұрын

It's never officially been released unfortunately

@GarethMcD-zq8ei

Ай бұрын

@@DaringNote62 Found a couple of variations of the theme that have been uploaded with the music being separated, but none from this actual scene in SJA. Shame I don't know how to do it my self!

@GarethMcD-zq8ei

Ай бұрын

I'd say this one is the best extracted variation that's close enough to the one from that scene kzread.info/dash/bejne/m3d5wZiGZbHUqJM.htmlsi=hh3ezYLeXQ2Og_eM

Ruby Sunday = Sky 😂

I feel like I'm going insane, what is everyone hearing?? these really don't sound that alike apart from the fact its a womans voice? Totally different key and melody ??

I hate all these wild theories because of it is the Trickster then that'll totally spoil the surprise.

@fluxl10

Ай бұрын

You’re joking, right? Theorising the plot line of a series is a staple of a tv show. It doesn’t spoil anything because that would imply you know it to be real. We don’t know if this is true or if it’s just a composing coincidence

@ipwilliams2000

Ай бұрын

No one really knows if it is the Trickster, they are stretching the idea to fit a few musical notes.

@mohzayd1234

Ай бұрын

It’s not spoiling when no one actually 100% knows

@ReadinRed

Ай бұрын

As opposed to some monotonous idea. "I am the future...Flash" That season of the Flash said the Villain wasnt gonna be the hero. Look how that worked out

@harryvideoz8863

16 күн бұрын

It wasn’t

Talk about a reach

@loupashire

16 күн бұрын

Yeah, not so much now.

@adamburke4738

16 күн бұрын

@@loupashire what are you babbling about? It wasn’t the Trickster 😂😂

Got to laugh 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 at all the people that INSISTED based on 7 common musical notes, that it was The Tricksters. The musical que in SJA was for the alien box, NOT The Tricksters…😂😂😂

So they’ve decided to but her my boy, the Trickster too? Thought they’d killed him off! I wanted him to return but not like this when the shows at an all time low?

@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786

Ай бұрын

???? The one we've just passed? Since the 60th specials and series 14 episodes we've had so far have literally been doubling the average viewership of the Chibnall era? Really makes someone wonder what you mean by all-time low...

@apoloartemis9038

Ай бұрын

@@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786 Let him, is not about script anymore, just hate against trans and LGBTQ people on the show, even episode 3 has been getting low scores - bellow 3 - for no reason

@DragonSpinner61

Ай бұрын

Cope and Seethe.

@kylemccrory8509

Ай бұрын

Are you on crack?

@jumbojaba1235

Ай бұрын

People have been saying it’s getting low scores compared to what it used to be but compared to other shows airing it’s been doing really well

I NEED the trickster to come back so badly