I vote keep using the higher velocity .308. I’d prefer to know how close to failure the plates are. If a plate can only handle another couple hundred fps, it’s good information to have. Also wouldn’t hurt my feelings to see .270 and .243 if there’s a extra inch of plate left. That’s what’s in plenty of truck back windows in my areas. Thanks for consistently bringing great information!

Matt, this channel is absolutely the best non-biased testing channel you can find on KZread. Keep it up. You da man.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

That thumbnail alone was pure gold 😂 This deserves a billion views!

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

Every once and a blue moon I have a brilliant idea and am able to have passable execution :D

Sweet video! Thank you for your work!

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Awesome once again Matt!! And Still the champion of Armor of Destruction!! 🤙🏽

So if a company sells some armor saying it stops rounds up to 3200 fps and it doesn't what do you do about it?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I can't personally do anything about it. You as a consumer could likely file a complaint with your state's Attorney General for false advertising? The issue IMO, is that many retailers/manufacturers don't do enough due diligence, and vet out enough threats. Given that the NIJ level III is only 6 hits of M80 @ 2,750, all of these other threats are "special" Making a blanket statement "stops all rounds up to 3200 fps" is a poor choice of words. So is "stops all .223/5.56 threats". Probably why NIJ 07 now has RF1 with M193 at 3,250, and RF2 with M855 at 3,115 fps. Add in that many social media workers don't threat profiles or any detailed specs, and they hand out statements that can come back to bite them. This is why it's very important for armor manufacturers to post their test reports, and to do V50 testing to ensure that the velocity they're rating their armor for is not going to produce penetrations.

That was educational. I often wonder why some sort of lip is not welded/formed along the outer edge of plates to deflect splash away from the wearer.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I would assume time/labor/materials?

@frenchroast1355

Жыл бұрын

Most likely, but I would assume it would make a superior product

Have you considered spray painting steel plates white so help see impacts?

Is there something you could add to eliminate the spalling? Like on the sides?

I don't know why they don't put UHMWPE on the front to help blunt the usual suspects that defeat steel and then another layer on the back side. They have a lot of thickness to work with if you want to compare to the ceramic plates and it adds minimal weight. Just admit that steel is heavy and offer a 8-10lb plate instead of trying to compromise with a light weight option.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

AR500 Armor kind of did this with the A3 plate and ended up with a very competent RF2 plate, but M855A1 is still an issue, and it is very costly :|

@wcsdiaries

8 ай бұрын

​@@BuffRANGEso m855a1 does penetrate the a3? I thought level 3+ can stop m855a1?

@BuffRANGE

8 ай бұрын

@@wcsdiaries anything +marked is a manufacturer spec and isn’t the same across all brands. Most would have to list m855a1 specifically.

@wcsdiaries

8 ай бұрын

so is it confirmed this armor does not stop m855a1?

Cool

So at 14:55 it looks like the cork might have caught on fire and shot out the bottom. It's tough to tell though. Do you know any more than me, being on site?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

It's very possible. The M855A1 tip being destroyed on the strike face does create sparks and if there's gases or flammable material inside, then can catch on fire.

Really love this sorta testing. Weird request/question, but do you think you could test 12ga 1oz slugs against IIIA soft armor sometime? There's so much internet lore and mythos about slugs vs armor, and your channel's scientific nature could give some good information on the topic(also seeing how much backface there'd be would just be cool).

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I certainly can oblige. I think I have some IIIA company's making requests so we will see what we can do!

@blackberet9997

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! IIIA tests are my personal favorite to watch, totally not because I'm a deagle fanboy, lol. Obviously the shotgun slugs through rifle plates stuff is video game silliness, discounting Tarkov's KS23 with Barrikada.

Would you buy this armor plate?

I wonder if Reeses void the RESES warranty? 😂 Could a focused area lamp on a tripod help provide enough light to keep the chrono reading under clouds or at twilight?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I've found I just need to run the light bars and block the sun with one of my extra tables :D

@texasbeast239

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Movie set.

@troydorame890

8 ай бұрын

It definitely would because if you ate them it would not fit you anymore😂

are you going to review that fiochii 6.7??????

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

The Fiocchi 5.7? Yes. I was told it's under embargo and that I shouldn't release any data on it

Paint the plate white to see the hits?

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

That's a good thought. The hard part though is depending on the type of coating the entrance holes are SO TINY :(

Been looking at these plates for the longest, havent found any videos talking about it, somewhat disappointed on the outcome

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

What disappointed you?

@k02ak

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE on the 308 shots, the top right hit went through like butter even though it was pretty centered and with the spacing. And i would of expected that normal ball 556 ammo to be stopped even with the coating

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@k02ak m193 ball is a weakness of all steel when going above 3,000 fps. NIJ level III doesn’t address M193 yet, so until they release RF1/2/3 standards 5.56 threats are considered special threats. The 308 was also way over spec but again velocity is a factor in steel penetration.

@k02ak

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE makes sense, just seems hard to find plates that can take the hits without my wallet taking the biggest of hits. Most that i hear that are reliable are hesco, defender, and i believe premiere

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@k02ak Hesco, RMA, Highcom, LTC. Others have negatives that outweigh their price point.

All those rounds are just going too fast for the chrono! You have proven the steel armor is just about obsolete. It's price point weight and reliability is being eeked out by the level 4 counterparts

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

It would seem that way with impending NIJ 07 standards. Not a lot of steel can take M193 @ 3,250 without it being substantially heavier/thicker. I believe Highcom has a steel plate that would do it though.

please don't propagate steel plates as legitimate armor.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

I mean RTS Tactical is one a few company's who have NIJ Certified Steel offerings. It stops the bullets. The NIJ protocols have nothing in place that require it to stop fragmentation coming off the side. Knowing that though, should be a bullet point consumers keep in mind when making purchases :D

@hassenfepher

Жыл бұрын

Please post the video you did where you prove otherwise. Id be interested to see it.

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

@@hassenfepher Me or the original poster?

I ordered my plates from them right before they released this new coating of whatever. I bought the extra coating though so I still should be good. Hopefully that theory is never tested out

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

The yellow coating ? It does a good job

@RepublicofTX

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE yea that’s right, and I payed for the ‘extra’ coating. They’re heavy as shit! Haha

Please please please tell me no cups were injured during testing

@BuffRANGE

Жыл бұрын

My kid and wife ate them 😊

@Jason-fg4jr

Жыл бұрын

@@BuffRANGE lol they have changed a bit from when I was little but still my favorite candy ... just glad they didn't get smoked lol

I think I’ll stick with my ceramic level 4 plates

@BuffRANGE

11 ай бұрын

Good idea, wise choice :D

Survival Armor sells CYBERDYNE III+ plate made probably from Armox Advance. In their video plate stops M193 from 20" barrell @ 3237fps. kzread.info/dash/bejne/f4iMq8trm5bPXbA.html On their site it is advertised to protect against 3150fps though.