I uploaded the wrong chart in the overlay on the video, Here is the summary results including penetration depths, and accuracy group sizes :D flic.kr/p/2pVq1Bd and It looks like I forgot the weather specs Temp:55.00°F Baro: 29.14" HG Humidity: 25 % Dew Point: 19°F

@Starwarsgames66

Ай бұрын

Is there anywhere you can actually get this as a civilian since it’s not illegal to own? Everywhere is completely sold out. I know they only make it out of one plant in Salt Lake City. However, you can’t tell me there’s not some floating around.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

@@Starwarsgames66 You can buy it from smaller dealers who get it from places unknown. It's not manufactured currently for civilian sales. There's a place called War Pig Armory who gets it in quite often. They gave me a discount code "buffman" for a little off on your orders.

Citizens should be able to buy this from Winchester!

@donwyoming1936

Ай бұрын

They must be selling it to someone. It's in stock at quite a few places online, even in bulk. Not that bad at ~ $2 per round.

@CountryRacing186

Ай бұрын

Why winchester?

@WarPigArmory

Ай бұрын

@@CountryRacing186 they are the only company that manufacture it. You can get it at War Pig Armory though!

@EtherFox

Ай бұрын

​@@CountryRacing186They're the ones who were awarded the contract to operate the plant that produces this ammo.

@H_Hold

Ай бұрын

​@@CountryRacing186they're the only ones that manufacture it

300 fps gain from 7.5 to 10.5 inches is really interesting.

@jasonmorris159

Ай бұрын

Garand thumb does a good video on 5.56 barrel length velocities. The gain from 10.5 to 11.5 was pretty significant also. For a short barrel 11.5 is the way to go.

@donwyoming1936

Ай бұрын

It's loaded to reach full velocity within a 14.5-inch barrel. So, it's a pretty fast powder. It's probably something like IMR-4198 that achieves max velocity in a short barrel, but still functions in a 20 inch gun.

@rifleshooterchannel208

Ай бұрын

@@donwyoming19364198 is *entirely too fast* for a bullet of that weight and would be unsafe driving it at that velocity. Not to mention 26gr of 4198 would not even fit in a 5.56 case.

@zm1786

Ай бұрын

@@jasonmorris159 plus 11.5 wears parts alot slower than a 10.5 due to factors i cant properly explain rn

@M.H.D.actual

Ай бұрын

​@@donwyoming1936 it's loaded with WC-842 or SMP-842, manufactured by Saint Mark's powder. A bit faster burning then CFE223, people are reporting 10-20% hotter with their handloading. It's a pretty modern powder with copper removal additives and id guess probably flash suppressant as well. Probably closer to TAC or or 4895 burn rate wise.

Damn, M855A1 is phenomenal wish I can easily stockpile it. Thanks for making this video!

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

You are very welcome. Stockpiling it is indeed not super cost effective :(

@matthewmshell9099

26 күн бұрын

@@BuffRANGEcan citizens buy this is it on the the market to buy

@BuffRANGE

26 күн бұрын

@@matthewmshell9099 you can buy this on Gunbroker or even a place called War Pig Armory.

@matthewmshell9099

26 күн бұрын

@@BuffRANGE how much for a box of 20

@BuffRANGE

26 күн бұрын

@@matthewmshell9099 most places are selling for $3/rd so 60 plus ship.

Upvoted and already got some at War Pig thanks to Matt. My concern is that some ammunition may not be available in the future. Get it while you can. Ammo this good, you'll only need a few rounds when you really need it.

That is extremely impressive, especially from those short barrel lengths.

I got a couple hundred rounds of this a while back and set aside 20 rounds for testing. It's very impressive.

@BuffRANGE

22 күн бұрын

Smart thinking :D

Im excited for that MK318 mod 1 video! I have both of these loadings on standby, they are great general purpose rounds

Alot of people say an 7.5" AR is nothing but a range toy. I'd say based on this test, a 7.5" loaded with this is plenty effective!

I started to think you weren’t going to post anymore. Solid vid bruh

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

I do post every Tuesday :). Sometimes Thursday if I get caught up too. I stopped doing shorts as they aren’t translating into anything meaningful.

I highy highly recommend testing Black Hills 77gr TMK. Its loaded nice and hot like m855a1, and offers great performance at long range and promises excellent performance on target. .408BC G1 down to 2300fps, and this load is going 2580fps out of my 12.5". Allegedly frags down to 1700fps.

Honestly surprised the copper slug was the thing that made those long channels after the expansion area I thought that was what the penetrator would do but I guess the odd shape makes it tumble more.

I tried to pull one of these projectiles using a kinetic puller, and it didn't budge at all. The crimping is solid, that's for sure.

Make sure you get the correct followers for your mags, otherwise you’re gonna be saying goodbye to your feed ramp

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Yep! Blue follower or Gen 3 Pmag

Can you do a Black Hills 62gr TSX solid copper load please?!?! Heard great things about it

I went all in on m855a1. Literally 20k in debt I believe in it whole heartedly

@ebbflow7376

Ай бұрын

Are you being serious? You spent $20k on m855a1?

@WarPigArmory

Ай бұрын

@@ebbflow7376 he's trolling lol

@bobborlog1677

Ай бұрын

Where do you get it?

@Grooove_e

Ай бұрын

@@bobborlog1677 You either gotta know a guy or watch GB like a hawk. Same goes for M80A1

@MrCooper89

Ай бұрын

​@@Grooove_eWarpig Armory has it. $29.99 for 10 rounds.

I wish this was more readily available

Usually with increases in velocity there is lesser penetration, as least with lead core projectiles. Not with copper projectioes, though. They only get better as the velocity increases. Fragmentation tavels farther out and gets more violent, while cores and larger fragments travel deeper. Thats why i firmly believe well engineered copper projectiles exceed the performance of lead core projectiles when it comes to terminals and accuracy.

I wish the MK 318 MOD 1 was still available. ' the silver bullet " 🥺🥺🤷‍♂️

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

You can still buy it. Crate Ammo Holdings has it, but be prepared to pay for it. I have the test for it, and will work on it in the coming weeks. It's not as impressive as M855A1..

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

crateholdingsammo.com/products/20-round-box-federal-mk318-mod-1-5-56-nato-ammo-62gr-sost-barrier-xmt556tnbinl?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=436ab70bc&pr_rec_pid=9047642341662&pr_ref_pid=8329081520414&pr_seq=uniform

What a devastating round especially out that 22"

@DOOM_A-O

Ай бұрын

The 22 was basically the same velocity as the 20. I’m amazed how little it increased between the 14 and 20.

Would you be willing to do another test at 1700 ft./s and see if it will fragment because I know it fragment at 1900

Could you do federal 223 tru 64gr sp law enforcement? Thank you for the vids.

Thanks Matt!

As close as this load is to a proof load and it's documented high barrel wear I wouldn't want to shoot it regularly but think we should be able to buy it in 210 or 240 round boxes.

@CJ2808

Ай бұрын

Definitely not what you take out to plink with because of the wear and price, but a few mags of this stuff as your 'shtf' ammo you cant ask for any better really

@christinepearson5788

Ай бұрын

@@CJ2808 at $3 a pop too rich for my blue collar blood. If the count seems odd, think of it as seven or eight mags worth for standard load out.

@nathanflecke9635

28 күн бұрын

So the early m855a1 was close to proof loads however to my knowledge they have tamed it down in recent runs

@BuffRANGE

27 күн бұрын

@@nathanflecke9635 Yes, and the info floating around is CONDITIONED A1 at 125F, not just sitting at 70F.

From my 20” barrel with velocities I’ve tested, that 7.5” shot represents about 300 meters. For my 11.5 it would be about 250. If you look at 5.56 data, that is consistent with design and purpose - they are 300 meter rifles. I believe A1 was specifically designed for shorter barrels, but I still think of my 11.5 as a 200 meter gun.

@carbon8ed

Ай бұрын

It's possible I may be misinformed, but if I'm not mistaken M855A1 projectiles are capable of explosive fragmentation out to 500m out of a 14.5" barrel. That's practically unheard of for any other 5.56 bullet.

@Kross8761

Ай бұрын

​@@carbon8ed Sierra TMK and Hornady ELD-M could give it a run for its money (regarding expansion/fragmentation, they couldn't touch it in terms of material penetration) Hornady ELD-M reliably expands down to roughly 1350 fps and at that velocity it still acts like a high quality handgun hollowpoint (for example a federal HST) At 1800fps and above it's devastating and because it's a high BC match round it keeps its velocity longer. Sierra TMK is basically the same with some minor differences in expansion velocity due to very slightly different construction. Tipped match rounds are phenomenal in terms of terminal cavitation, but they may or may not penetrate deeply enough for various people's liking. Personally I'll take the rapid and devastating expansion over super deep penetration because they'll still hit 10" EZPZ

the ar15/m4 with right ammo and barrel length you really cant beat it.

Thank you! Great to see what this ammo does, as I may have to use it on duty

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Are you active duty military?

@Midwestprpr

Ай бұрын

@@BuffRANGE national guard

I remember Andrew testing these and they fragmented at 1400 fps, cray cray

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

I don''t think he tested that low did it? I thought he tested 1700?

@chuckfinley3152

Ай бұрын

I can’t find it, it was slow either way

M855A1 is a pretty awesome round!

Definitely wish MK318 mod 1 was still available!!!!!!

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Why? This IMO is superior, especially from shorter barrels. I have the review of that too, I will get it edited at some point.

@M.H.D.actual

Ай бұрын

​@@BuffRANGEbecause werewolves!

@MarvelousSeven

28 күн бұрын

​@@BuffRANGEiirc, mk318 is standard 5.56 pressure, not over pressure like m855a1, also no worries on mags with mk318 like there is with m855a1.

I believe this ammo was intentionally designed to be used in shorter barrels correct? Those are some very impressive numbers from the 10.5

@TheJBerg

Ай бұрын

Shorter = 14.5" M4 10.5-11.5 naturally can still benefit from the powder burn, but won't get close to max velocity. Now if you're talking actually built for short barrels, then either you're talking one of the sub-sonic loads or the new .277 Fury for the XM7.

@Sightbain.

Ай бұрын

I had seen it mentioned that they had a faster burning powder but I couldn't track down if it was actually a different powder or just some marketing bs.

@sae1095hc

Ай бұрын

Yeah, 14.5 - 2820, 16 - 2910, 20 - 3036, the difference between the 14.5 and the 20 inch barrel is only 216 fps. The ammo designers seem to have optimized it for the shorter barrels all right.

@TheJBerg

Ай бұрын

@@Sightbain. Ah, so yeah, I heard that too about the faster burning powder, but best as I've found, that was only for the experimental ammo they tested from 2003 - 2006. They added another 5 or 10k to the chamber pressure over the standard M855 with the same penetrator bullet. Edit: And yes, it was used in theater in Iraq. I served with guys who got their hands on it in country when it was being issued. They said the kick was quite hefty, but didn't do anything the M855 did any better except wear out bolts and barrels faster.

Wow that stuff is really effective.

The sound on the long barrel vs short barrel is total different.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Could be muzzle brake distance from the mic on my shirt :D

🇦🇺😎👍Hi Matt I have an ORYX chassis on my M18 308 Mauser. I notice you still use your cheek riser. The only way I can use my scope is to take the riser off. I decided to just reuse the factory stock instead. I guess I’ll have to lift my scope up to utilise the riser.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

I tend to use a lot of QD scope mounts and they don't go as low as some rings can. Sometimes that causes me a less than ideal cheek weld, so the riser on here is useful :D

..that effect in the gel is impressive..of course the gel doesn't bleed/hemorrhage...

I love these projectiles.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

I do too! I've been using them in 22CM!

@lordhellfire153

Ай бұрын

​@@BuffRANGEI thought you wrote 22tcm for a second and nearly shat myself.

Fun Ammo. Great test. Thanks.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

You are most welcome!

So for an 11.5” for hd/sd are you opting for m855a1 or black hills mk262?

@BuffRANGE

27 күн бұрын

I'm taking M855A1. MK262's terminal affect in gel was a side/byproduct of the design, not a priority. It's goal is precision. If you need long range shots, no doubt MK262. HD/SD M855A1 all day.

I have enough of this for one full mag. This and nosler 64gr bonded.

Way off topicbut I was thinking about it earlier, PSA needs to simultaneously release a drop leg holster and 27gr 2500fps 5.7 ammo the same day they drop the X5.7.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

A drop leg would be nice!

Did you measure bullet length? I know it's expensive to pull these apart, but I couldn't find a length with a quick google search.

@BuffRANGE

29 күн бұрын

At :39 .999” :)

@PracticalAccuracy

29 күн бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Sorry missed that. It's almost as long as Black Hills TMK.

Love the videos keep em up. Any way we could get AAC 300 blackout 110g vmax, 115g Sierra JHP, and\or 220g sabre Black tips in gel from around 9 in barrel? Would be awesome. Thanks.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

110gr Vmax is in the works. I will get some of the 220gr at some point. the 115gr Sierra JHP I don't have much interest in spending T&M on, as most agree 115gr JHP are not ideal for any means of SD/PP. But it wouldn't hurt anything other than my wallet to highlight that :D

@-The-Bob-

Ай бұрын

@@BuffRANGE whatever you could do would be awesome. Had a decent amount of the vmax as my supers, and just picked up the 115 JHPs. and got the 220 black tips for my subs. All of those mostly for the SD\PP situation. Again love the channel and thanks!

0:28 wait did those come in that box on stripper clips. Normally mil issue rounds come in open end boxes with 3 stripper clips per box?

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

That's MK318 mod 1 behind it, that I tested on the same day. Indeed these came in open end boxes, 30rds on stripper clips :D

Keep up the good work!

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Thanks, will do!

That’s spicy.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Nice and Spicy

Great. Thanks for the test. Wish I had an extra couple grand laying around to afford some lol

Thanks

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Welcome you are !

Awesome. Thank you

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

You're welcome!

How do you obtain these rounds? They seem impossible/expensive to get.

@WarPigArmory

Ай бұрын

War pig armory!

I have heard of feeding issues. Particularly, the tip cutting into the weapon itself when feeding and causing damage. I have been told the PMAGs have fixed this problem. Have you had feeding issues or your rifles being damaged?

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

No issues with Gen 3 PMAG or USGI Blue follower

@Justin-rq6kf

Ай бұрын

The issue was fixed by the updated followers and isnt present on pkags

Very surprising how little gain there is from 12.5 all the way to 24”.

You should get a 22inch 1/7 twist to see if the velocity would be better

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Twist rate has only a small influence on velocity. :)

A lot of people have been noticing significant increases in accuracy with some suppressor and rifle combos, especially with cheaper/ less accurate ammo. The geissele super duty with a huxworks suppressor were consistently getting sub moa groups on nine hole reviews.

Assuming a G1 of .291 at a muzzle velocity of 2900 you’re reaching 2200 fps at about 225 yards

My only question with the review of M855A1, is where exactly is the civilian application for this for the average shooter? We know from multiple reviews and the militaries own admission that this round puts A LOT of extra stress on all the integral parts of the gun. Don't get me wrong its super fun to watch the reviews of this, but I just seriously find myself asking: "why would I buy this over something like 77 grain sierra match ammo?" I am looking for legit answers and not trying to be a contrarian about this. Can anyone help fill in my lack of knowledge or not understanding why people are so mad this isn't more available?

Is this classified as AP ammo by the ATF? If not, I wonder if PSA could ever bring their own variant to market, saving us from paying $2-$3 a shot.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

It hasn't. They would argue the penetrator is part of the "core" and therefore AP...

insane perfroamnce

has anyone ever done load tests with those on a 22-250 or 220 Swift case?

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Not on most commercial offerings in those calibers because those twist rates are 1:12 or 1:14. That's where .22 Creedmoor comes in. I have it cooking at 3,500 fps from a 18" barrel :O

@ryanframe6893

Ай бұрын

@@BuffRANGE it would be expensive, but it would have been wild to see what those would do in the gel following a plate pass through. ✌️

The only potential issue I see with it terminally is in the longer barrel lengths, it does overpenetrate what the FBI standard is. On a battlefield, overpenetration isn't much of an issue, for a civilian it could be. Having said that, I would rather a load penetrate too much than not enough, and despite my point, I do think people worry too much about overpenetration. Nice video

@CJ2808

Ай бұрын

I think the use of these rounds by anyone that gets them and knows anything about them would be only bringing the mags of these out when all hell has broken loose and none of that stuff takes priority over winning and survival. Regular home defense maybe go for a different round. Total collapse? Grab these

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

I agree people think way too much on "over penetration" concerns. I would agree that it may be a touch too much, but still viable IMO especially if you might encounter barriers.

Okay, where and how can i get this ammo?

@WarPigArmory

Ай бұрын

War pig armory!

I am curious to know what the twist rate for each of the barrels was.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

The 22” is 1:9. All others 1:7

@user-jc9eo3vg1y

Ай бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Thank you Sir!

Wonder what powder they use in that round

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

It's somewhat like CFE 223, but not quite.

Pretty gnarly rounds. I'd be torn between using them or the M193. The M193 can be so accurate.

@inferninx

Ай бұрын

I’ve heard because m855a1 is loaded hot, it’s accuracy can suffer compared to m193.

@TerminalM193

Ай бұрын

If the m855a1 could actually be found for cheaper than 3 dollars a round then I would easily pick the m855a1 since it easily beats out M193 on distance, accuracy at distance and easily beats M193 against any kind of barriers.... But since M193 is a fraction of the cost it's easily the round to go with. I've been having very good luck with recent lots of both XM193 from federal & IMI's offering of M193.

@CJ2808

Ай бұрын

​@@TerminalM193so get a mag or 2 of the stuff and keep it put away unless you need it. Its not paper target slinging ammo. Theres no need to buy hundreds and thousands of rounds of the stuff, your gun wont survive it anyways. Continue to plink with 193 and stack a few rounds of this for a rainy day. You are eventually gonna spend the amount this stuff costs just re upping on 193 from what you used at the range that day. HOWEVER, a price drop would be great nonetheless

I think part of the reason the TC got such poor groups compared to the Hellion is that the 1:9 barrel and the EPM projectile don't mix. Yes it's 62gr, but it's roughly the same length as a 77gr. Since it's mostly copper instead of lead they had to make it longer to keep the same weight as an SS109 bullet.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

It still stabilizes, but you're right. a 1:8 or 1:7 would work better here, but I haven't found a 5.56 chambered bolt gun in 1:7, yet..

At least in the 14.5 and up, these look like normal M855 velocities. Did they download this round since it first came out?

@ricomock2

Ай бұрын

There has been several changes since the first lots, but yes they dropped the pressure (it is still high) and optimized burn rate for the 14.5in barrels

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

@@ricomock2 Yep, and temps under 60-65F end up with less velocity over this load at 85F+

Shocking how the 7.5 is ar 2200. Shows me that 13.9 to 16 inches is still the sweet spot. Maybe an 18” for the distance and no need for further than 20”

from what I have seen the new A1 has a lot higher pressure and will cut down the number of rounds your rifle is good for, that the pressure is going to cause parts to wear faster and break more often

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

It is higher but not a lot like the original 2011-2012 stuff. It’s been dialed back.

@ArtsyJustin

27 күн бұрын

@@BuffRANGE People like Chris Bartocci keep pushing the misinformation that M855A1 kills BCGs and barrels without realizing it was dialed back years ago.

from a terminal ballistic perspective, after having this ammunition tested by the BRF...the findings of this is wild. that EPR tip just does whatever it wants

@BuffRANGE

26 күн бұрын

BRF? Is this info public ?

@89gnn

26 күн бұрын

@@BuffRANGE FBI Ballistic Research Facility. The data itself is not, but I can say the round superbly exhibits and surpasses all desired traits measured by that organization.

@BuffRANGE

26 күн бұрын

@@89gnn interesting. A lot of us on ARFCOM wondered if the FBI ever did any testing on M855A1.

What kind of steel is the steel penetrator made of?

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Glad you asked. I had to dig this up Rockwell Hardness of 58C 😃 The Core is 99.99% Copper The steel tip is 89.712% Zinc, .322% Cobalt, 9.571% Iron, and .393% Manganese

@colloidalsilver1096

Ай бұрын

​@@BuffRANGE Wow Thank you! A magnet does not seem to stick, Odd. Your thoughts on this Appreciated.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

@@colloidalsilver1096 It should, maybe you have weak magnet :D Use Rare Earth ones

that is wild! try m80-a1 next if you can!

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

I am accepting donations. The phone lines are open. I would need about $800 to do it with M80A1.

Where do you buy these rounds?

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

See this post; kzread.infoUgkxylj5HxIBV3EJtvsq-SIRFKdHfSifSMlq

My go to round

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Nice!!!!!!!!!

@MarvelousSeven

28 күн бұрын

Where do you buy?

When can the civilian market buy this ammo? Bruen, and all that.

@WarPigArmory

13 күн бұрын

War Pig Armory!

Hopefully the M80A1 review will soon follow

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

It’s going to cost 2.5x this review.

@WarPigArmory

Ай бұрын

We are working on getting something together for it! Should be coming soon.

Why is the tip steel? Tungsten carbide would have been harder. More importantly, tungsten carbide would be denser which allows the bullet to be shorter for the same 62 gr mass. This will allow for more powder and even more velocity.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Tungsten is not as easily sourced as steel. US relies heavily on imports for tungsten.

@1nfamyX

Ай бұрын

Steel is cheaper & close enough in performance. Militaries dont get the best equipment, they get the cheapest.

Pretty vile my friend. Thanks for the data

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

You are most welcome

I dont have a rifle in 5.56, but god damn, that round is scary. Lol

Why did they make it in 62grain? Why not 65 - 77? Cost?

@BuffRANGE

27 күн бұрын

That's something the patent holders/designers of the round would have to explain why the 62gr was ideal, unless the military specified that 62gr was the target weight?

Need Too Aquire Some Of These Were Did You Find It and Was It Expensive Buffman 😮😀😊

@WarPigArmory

Ай бұрын

War pig armory!

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

It can be found quite often on GunBroker, or places like Hogoholics, or War Pig Armory, or different gun swap boards..

@chrischiampo7647

Ай бұрын

@@BuffRANGE Thanks 😊

The accuracy is abysmal. High wear and tear on barrels. But nice to have for certain circumstances

Stuff operates at the limit of pressure specs, it's hard on barrels and bolts so good for fighting but not something for volume practice unless the DoD is buying the parts.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Velocity and lack of pressure signs shown on this basically brand new lot says otherwise.

@BlownF150

Ай бұрын

@@BuffRANGE I go by the specs since I have access to the ARDEC research and development of this stuff. It's considerably hotter than M855 and it does break things more frequently. I'm also the TAMIS guy ordering about 7,000 rds a year for my unit's ranges.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

@@BlownF150is that data shareable ?

@BlownF150

Ай бұрын

@@BuffRANGE not without credentialed access, M855A1 is definitely pushing the limits of 5.56x45. I don't think they could squeeze much more out of it even if they tried a two-part case. Bolt thrust force is way up over M855, would need some fundamental changes to the whole platform or just adopt a new system (which they did).

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

@@BlownF150I’m from the internet are those creds ? :) understood, and I would agree from what I have seen these were up there and have been dialed back a touch over the years. It will be interesting to see how 6.8 plays out. Can you comment on whether you deploy/procure M1158 ?

They’ve been selling civis the BS version and just painting the top portion of the round. I’m just happy I stumbled upon this later than never….

@WarPigArmory

Ай бұрын

The green tips are way different than the m855a1. It’s not just a painted top portion

If you was wondering can you purchase this round….yes you can many online sites sell them and in bulk cases too I usually buy a 500 round pack and then another 500 round pack of target rounds both by Winchester

@BuffRANGE

27 күн бұрын

Could you direct me to a site that sells a 500 round case of them as most retailers who sell M855(A1) typically in 10 to 100 rd lots. :D

@SticksAndStoners007

27 күн бұрын

@@BuffRANGE they got 200 round 55 grain target Ammo too for 120

@SticksAndStoners007

27 күн бұрын

@@BuffRANGE your gonna love me 😂

@BuffRANGE

27 күн бұрын

@@SticksAndStoners007the ammo I reviewed here isn’t like 55gr FMJ or 62gr green tip that you buy in bulk from many retailers :)

@SticksAndStoners007

27 күн бұрын

@@BuffRANGE they must don’t have any in stock if you don’t see it they usually run out fast I wasn’t referring to the green tips 😌

Can civilians buy these if so from where

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

You have to buy them gray market. Can’t usually walk into a store and buy. Expect 2.25-3.0/rd. Look up war pig armory. They’ve posted a few comments on here. Check aK files post for more info

Just curious, if you had reason to believe that lvl 4 armored zombies would soon acost you and your kin, what caliber might you go with to counter said armor? Bonus if it fits in an AR.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Well if by "AR" you count an AR10, then 7.62 NATO, M993, M1158, M80A1. If by AR you mean "AR-15" constraints, 5.56 NATO or .22 ARC :D

Where can you find m855a1?

@Clockwork0nions

Ай бұрын

Shady dudes at gun shows.

@WarPigArmory

Ай бұрын

War Pig Armory

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Less shady dudes on GB! :D

@edgarsmittenheighnjenkson9226

Ай бұрын

Steal it.

@FreedomInc

Ай бұрын

Its almost as if people are completely incapable of learning anything on their own. Meaning every single thing you know yiu have been told. Which means you dont know anything. You only know what others think. Those people probably know beijg not much different than you. You litterally could have typed your question in Google and git the answer. But no. Yiu needed someone to tell you. Smh. I'm sure you're not whsts wrong with this country either huh.

are these legal for us citizens?

@BuffRANGE

26 күн бұрын

Why wouldn't they be? They're not defined as Armor Piercing

@KindofSavagegaming

26 күн бұрын

@@BuffRANGE ah man u gotta love it !

@BuffRANGE

26 күн бұрын

@@KindofSavagegaming Basically at current time this is only provided to the military, and it shows up for sale in the gray market. There's no laws making it illegal for you to own/use/buy, likely it's policy/agreement that it's no sold openly to the consumer market..

I wish I had some of this ammo

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

It can be found quite often on GunBroker, or places like Hogoholics, or War Pig Armory, or different gun swap boards..

@jammbbs1688

Ай бұрын

@@BuffRANGE very expensive though

@CJ2808

Ай бұрын

​@jammbbs1688 and you also arent going to be shooting much of it anyway. This is ammo you put up that only comes out for a rainy day. Its not like you are gonna be slinging this stuff at paper by the hundreds or thousands because thats not what its for. Buy once cry once type thing

When you gonna test out m955

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

When someone owns up to having 100 rds, and wants to sell it and somehow I have a spare $12.5k to buy said 100 rds.

Makes me sad I can’t just buy it

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Me too.. I wish it was stocked at the LGS

The problem is where to buy them?

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

There’s a company called war pig armory who has some. Even gave a free sticker promo of “Buffman” if you’re interested.

@WarPigArmory

Ай бұрын

War Pig Armory! Free ship over 199 and no sales tax either.

To me they seem the best, who cares for long range accuracy if you're busting doors down and shooting at distances less than 100 meters? While I heard they drop badly, I wish to see 100gr solid copper bullets from 7.62x39, heard they use heavier bullets due to lighter ones not shooting past 100 yards.

Where the hell are you even finding this stuff?!? Every time I find a source for m855a1 it ends up being fake reloads.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

What do you mean by fake reloads. M855a1 is pretty hard to fake. There’s a site called war pig armory. They have legit a1.

@TerminalM193

Ай бұрын

​@@BuffRANGEThere was a thing going around where people were pulling bullets and reloading

@WarPigArmory

Ай бұрын

War pig armory!

@redcat9436

Ай бұрын

@@TerminalM193 That makes no sense.

I heard these rounds eat your gun alive unless you run the specific mag made for these rounds!

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Use Gen 3 PMAGs and or Blue Follower USGI Mags. The "eat alive" is a little far stretched"..

@silence6408

Ай бұрын

It can destroy your feed ramps overtime.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

@@silence6408 Use the above mags, Use M4 Feedramps, and in civilian use will be fine..

Definitely very good performance and a deadly round, but I don't believe it's very practical for home defense. This would zip right through drywall and go to your neighbors house if you don't hit your target, and it may even go through your target and hit your neighbors anyway.

@inferninx

Ай бұрын

Personally I always use bonded soft points for HD purposes, simply for the fact that they dump all their energy early and don’t grossly overpenetrate multiple hard barriers like a lot of these FMJ rounds that fragment.

@M.H.D.actual

Ай бұрын

These destabilize fairly easily. Usually coming apart after just going through the plastic Ivan pop up targets. You'll find the steel tips and copper bases all over the range when doing clean up. That being said, some of them don't though and you have an increased ricochet potential. Range SDZs had to be redrawn for this and the M80A1 round on most of the army's ranges.

thats noice man

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Nice indeed!

Who sells this ammo ?

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Totally don't look up war pig armory. They're the ones that have a sticker pack they'll give you of Charizard for free with buffman. That or Gunbroker

@bobborlog1677

Ай бұрын

@@BuffRANGE nice hambo the Rambo pig 🐖 is about to load up

@WarPigArmory

Ай бұрын

War pig armory 👋

How do I get this?

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

I'm totally not hinting at the fact that it's all over Gunbroker, or even a website called warpigarmory that has it...

@MB-jg4tr

Ай бұрын

And now it's soon gone :(

@FXIIBeaver

Ай бұрын

@@BuffRANGE yeah no idea what you are talking about. ;) Thank you for everything you do. 🙏

@WarPigArmory

Ай бұрын

War pig armory!

@FXIIBeaver

Ай бұрын

@@WarPigArmory is this a one time deal or is it permanently staying?

Dude I’m getting 3k fps from PMC m193 from a 14.5

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

And that’s a 55gr FMJ not a 62gr EPR that’s longer than M855. What temperature are you at ? This powder doesn’t do well until 75-80F plus

Idk why the government wants expensive and difficult to manufacture ammo.

@BuffRANGE

Ай бұрын

Unit cost of a1 has come down. No more lead exposure either ;)

@koffeekage

Ай бұрын

@@BuffRANGE i hope they can manufacture it fast enough in an “emergency”

@Halal_Dan

Ай бұрын

It's cheaper for them than for us lol

@justsaiyan8678

Ай бұрын

@@Halal_Danlol exactly

@CJ2808

Ай бұрын

The government is the LAST one that would ever pay 2-3 dollars a round for any kind of rifle ammunition lmao. That price is only for us. Guarantee their price is just about the same, maybe a few pennies more on the backend, as their old m855 standard. Same thing with the rifles themselves. The government pays MAYBE 700 bucks per select fire m4 that goes to any military unit. That prices was just from a few short years ago around the time I was still in and saw some of the cost breakdown one day.