K&N filters can last almost indefinitely, but I’ve never been convinced that there’s any real performance gain over a clean paper filter, so just change your paper filter on a regular basis, so you don’t have to mess with the oil.

@MCCJustMotos

2 жыл бұрын

The best part about the K&N is their reusability. I’ve seen dyno numbers that show some improvement, but mainly for higher HP machines.

Thanks for this man, I was looking at one of these filters for the KLR but was unsure. I really liked how you set up the clock on the video too.

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Yeah, I don't know what the KLR airbox looks like, but I'm guessing its pretty similar. The clock was a trial and error thing but I think it worked okay. Thanks again!

Thanks for taking the time effort and money to do this video. I enjoyed your enthusiasm which filtered through. Yes you can tell that you enjoyed that.

@MCCJustMotos

Жыл бұрын

Oh thanks so much!!!! Yeah I totally enjoy this stuff!

Nice video, I’ve been looking into some performance mods for my Himalayan as well.

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

thanks!!! I may end up doing a big bore kit at one time...we shall see :)

@ThinkMud

3 жыл бұрын

@@MCCJustMotos I was looking into the big bore kit as well lol.

Don't get me wrong I like the Himalayan but what this proves is that, as far as acceleration goes, it's pretty slow (Not much quicker than my 10 year old Toyota Yaris 1.33vvti). It's not the bike to buy if you want acceleration, even with the mods. It IS a superb tool for cruising the back roads and taking in the views. I tend to never take my bikes on Motorways here in the UK as I find them boring as hell.

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

That’s actually a great thoughts. I am not trying to convince any Himalayan owner of anything, but merely inform. I think the stock Himalayan is one of the best all-round ADV bikes there is. It can do 90% of the offroad that a DRZ400 can do and its 400% better on-road/highway than that motorcycle. It is even good on our American interstates. I completed 1200 miles in under 24 hours! kzread.info/dash/bejne/pWinq5uFdpzMZ9o.html But would I take 20% more usable power all round? Sure it makes the Himilanan a more fun motorcycle through the twisties and more capable off-road. It makes it more capable of keeping up with high-speed traffic and not worrying about acceleration as much. Dropping 1.5-2 seconds 0-60 mph is a pretty big feat. Do you need it? Nope. I just did a 5000+ mile Maryland to Montana on/off-road trip all stock (check out my Maryland to Montana series).

@moorshound3243

3 жыл бұрын

I'm UK as well dude where are you? I'm southwest Somerset! Loving the backroads this bike rules them. I agree on the motorway thing. Ride hard roll free..

@robmerwd

3 жыл бұрын

I have a Himmy and love it, along with another 4 motorcycles which all get used for the purpose of the ride. Horses for courses.

@danwilson8390

3 жыл бұрын

Hello UK himalayan adventurers, I too have a 2018 beast in sleet, all stock, not changing a thing! I'm in East Sussex Loving popping along the South downs, new forest, Wales and Devon...... It's just ear to ear grin it's weird! I've had power and speed yet loving this bike the most!

amazing this guy has his private road, camera in the middle no problem, can do what he wants

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I feel very lucky! Thanks for stopping by the channel!

Got the powertronic on mine, big difference. Not so much in terms of power but its a lot more "tractable" and pulls cleaner and has better throttle response. Map1 on the std maps is a pretty mild alteration and makes it a lot nicer to ride around town. Map 2 just crispens everything up and widens the torque curve significantly meaning less downshifting on the open road and better performance on the grades. Where I was downshifting to 4th, its holding 5th a lot longer. Tried the free flow exhaust but couldn't get the fuelling right down the bottom end. went back to the std exhaust and I think it actually performs better. Biggest thing to remember is to do the TPS calibration properly with a laptop, that makes a world of difference (make sure its set to 0.58V before doing the software calibration) I think of it more as a "power and economy" setting, I have the switch on the bars, very noticeable if you switch from map 1 to map 2 under power at about 3500 rpm. I won't fit a K&N filter to any vehicle not on a race track, they are a "performance" filter for a reason, they let more air thru, and if more air is getting thru, so is more dirt. I see this all the time in my shop, cars come in and theres dirt in the inlet between the air box and the throttle body, only 1 way it can get there.

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Marty, great to see someone’s experiences matching mine! Very Thorough response and much appriciated! Great insight!

You are short-shifting by a significant amount. You need to let it rev to a higher level to get the performance you want.

@MCCJustMotos

Жыл бұрын

You think so? If you look I’m right at or a smidge under redline when I shift. Im not going to push it well past that.

@gudgengrebe

9 ай бұрын

I was shaking my head at the speed at which he changed up. I could hear it wasn’t needing to change up a gear. You need to get used to the sound of the motor.

Great fun video. I don’t know your riding pedigree but your enthusiasm is way up there. I’d say the biggest improvement was you riding as the rest went on. I’d be interested to know your terminal speeds... I’m buying one any way Looks like great fun. I’ll be spending my money lifting back end for better ground clearance off road 👍🏼

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words..I’ve owned about 70 bikes in my life from sport bikes, to cruisers, classics..and this! You ask about terminal speeds..not sure but I can tell you with the mods I get up to top speed about 10 seconds quicker..which is substantial. Better top gear passing power for sure..Top speed remained about the same (as expected). kzread.info/dash/bejne/aaGh25ORoMvghNo.html

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve never had ANY problem with ground clearance on my off-road adventures. ;)

So after all the time effort and money was it worth it?🤔 Why would you want to pull wheelies? Sure many want to improve the overall performance of the Himalayan by changing air filters spark plugs exhaust etc. but it's never going to be a rip snorting performance bike it is what it is a general purpose/touring/go anywhere motorcycle, enjoy 😉

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

That’s actually a great question and I probably should have addressed it in one of my videos. There are a few answers and I’ll try and hit them all. Cost: I only paid for the chain/sprocket and K&N (as well as new plug). Would I buy those again? Absolutely. I did not buy the Booster plug (gift) Would I? Maybe. 20% more usable power all round makes the Himilanan a more fun motorcycle through the twisties and more capable off-road. Do you need it? Nope. I just did a 5000+ mile Maryland to Montana on/off-road trip all stock. Why would I want to do wheelies??? Because it’s fun (Like motorcycling in general). Plus, it’s a skill off-road that can help you. It’s great to see people using the video to make their own minds up, Kudos!

where do you have this economy setting from? Powertronic calls Map 1 (Race) and Map 2 (Race+)..... there is no economy setting ....look at the settings in the software. The difference between map1 and map2 are in the ignition timing. (more advaced in map2) all other settings are petty identical.....

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Andreas, thanks for stopping by the channel. Your insight is 100% correct. It is a difference in timing between “map 1” and “map 2”. My naming is more of a misnomer and a shorthand of how I thought of the settings. Talking with others who have used these, systems the consensus was that map 1 got better economy but still good performance and map 2 got worse economy but best all out performance. I stand by my results and what the bike feels like in all settings , but yes the names for each setting in the software is officially what you state. Thanks for sharing!

One quiet road that, you can even do maintenance in the middle of the road!

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

You noticed that, LOL. Yup. Its a great testing location.

I would have thought to get any difference you would have to reset the ecu between each test no?

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

I can confim the ecu take into account the air fuel mixture without having to reset. IE more fuel is allowed with a bigger air change (open air element filter). Performance mode activates a different map altogether and is accomplished by unplugging the economy plug.

@mattyb7736

3 жыл бұрын

With the handlebar switch fitted you can switch maps on the fly, and swapping at 3500 rpm under load its really noticeable how much the map 2 differs

Just curious, each time you changed the air filter did you leave the bike running for 10 minutes to get up to temperature? This is for the ecu to learn the change.

@MCCJustMotos

2 жыл бұрын

Steven, I’m not sure the Himalayan needs the 10 minutes ecu change. I’ve not seen any documentation, dealer notes, etc on it at all. I know some other machines have more advanced ecu systems, but I wouldnt think so with this one. I only changed the filter out once and the difference was not extremely noticeable.

@Steven-Brooks

2 жыл бұрын

@@MCCJustMotos I think most modern ecus have self learning capabilities. It’s the same for if you change exhausts, you wait till the engine is up to temp and the ecu adjusts itself.

Thanks for the video MCC, great bit of work. From the other reviews I've seen on the PowerTronics the big diff is the increase in uumph in the used power/rpm range, which you seem to confirm. I think you have most definitely shown power increases from you mods. While you do not have a bone stock run, shaving a probable second from 0-60 is worth while in my book. I have the Hitchcocks big bore kit and their Powertronics mapped version for it that I will soon install. So I was please to see that the unit DOES do something. What spark plug did you use? I bet it is not the one I have. I have a Czech plug by Brisk that I highly recommend. It has the never gap feature --usual center electrode , and four massive outer ones. I have at least 150 miles on it and lovin it so far. I put two in my Ural and probably have a thousand miles on them. One thing I can say about them is that I could never kick start that bike until I put the Brisk plugs in-now its usually a first kick starter. I also have a pair for my RE 650 INT, but have not installed them yet. Tell us again what brand of fly screen add on you have and your impressions of it please, i.e. cost and function vs a full size Hitchcock windscreen.. Ride on man!

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words! You totally called it as that I did not get a completely stock 0-60 test, but I estimate about 13 seconds stock. The best number I got with all my mods was 10.9 0-60 mph. So thats a little over 2 seconds which is 16-17% quicker to 60! (heck,I dropped over 1 second from power commander in economy mode with stock filter to Power map and K&N! 11.97 vs. 10.90) Not unsubstantial. Top speed is about the same but, I would estimate about 10 seconds quicker to get there! So yes, some good numbers. I decided no pipe, for 2 reasons. 1. I did not want to lose ANY low end torque and 2. I did not want to gain much loudness. I bet a pipe would drop another .25 -.5 seconds ( ~5-7 less pounds and a bit more horse power). My spark plug is an NGK M10...I've never ever noticed a difference an any of the plugs I've ever used, but nice to hear your success. I definitely check out your channel as I hope you have some BIG BORE stuff on it! I really think the 411cc Royal Enfield engine is under rated. Great torque and smooth smooth smooth power. Air/oil cooled is a safety bonus feature for me, and it paid for itself when I blew a head gasket 100's of miles away from ANYONE or even a road. Liquid cooled would have left me stranded. Fly screen is the cheapest one I could find on Amazon...like maybe $15. I've tired a very tall windshield and I did a full review on it, but I decided against it for the long haul, not great for off-road. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hp9-xtChm9HUadI.html. Cheers!

@stevemiller6044

3 жыл бұрын

@@MCCJustMotos Andy, I am not a vlogger but perhaps we could meet after I get mods done and you could do an episode on them. I will have to review your Hima vids. I try to view everything relating to them. My plan is to TOTALLY PIMP OUT the Hima. So I have, or will have, all the mods to do performance wise. I will do some other mods such as barkbusters etc., but mirror changes, lever changes , bar changes, shock changes, I will wait on till the need arises-- the stock items are all fine. As you know just about everything on the Hima stock is fine. Nothing wrong with some tweeking. Ride On.

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! you ever make it to MD? Yeah i’ve done a BUNCH of reviews and even just completed a Maryland to Montana trip. Vlogged the whole trip..22 episodes :)

@stevemiller6044

3 жыл бұрын

@@MCCJustMotos Andy, I live in Western Pa. so not far, which part of MD are u?

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevemiller6044 Nice, Near Baltimore. I do some PA riding sometimes too. :)

I need those hand guards in my life.

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

they work on the Genuine Royal Enfield Motocross style handlebars and are nice :)

Great Video Andy, here's a quick question. How much money did you spend on the upgrades? It seems to me, the performance gains are miniscule.

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words...You bring up some (more) points I probably should have brought up in my videos. First off I'm estimating 20% more power from stock. About 1.5 - 2.0 seconds quicker 0-60 than stock. I did not test 30-60 differences but there is quite a big drop. It gets up to speed much quicker 0-60 from ~ 13 Secs to 10.9 seconds. That's a noticeable ~16-17% better. Top speed is the same but, it gets there much quicker maybe by 10 seconds? and I can keep up with highway traffic easier for sure. I can even pass now lol. Low speed torque is way nicer and that totally helps out off-road. I would not call these performance numbers minuscule. Now for price: Chain and Sprockets - $144.00 (needed after 10,000 miles), K&N Filter $45, New Plug $10 (needed after 10,000 miles), Powertronic Booster Plug $300 (free to me, it was gift). $499 ($199 for me) So, for just performance items you can get ~20% more power for about $350. Is it worth it? That's up to the owner. Are they needed? Nope, not at all. I just finished my 5000+ Maryland to Montana without those mods. :) Kudo's on your thoughts!

@OlManRonin

3 жыл бұрын

@@MCCJustMotos i wish you had put that in your video lol other places didn't have as good of increases as you did so I was under the impression they were moot. Great job Andy and hey what happened to Farmer Troy? I know you are friends

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah, I never tested my Motorcycle stock, just with the 3 different settings. Also, it does not help I put the numbers kinda small at the end lol 13:32 (My wife got on me about that!) I really wanted hard numbers and this was the best way I knew how. I have heard other people not happy, but I can confirm the powertronics unit is very sensitive to air leaks and I wonder about the installs. Troy is a great dude! We spoke a little while ago and he was super busy with home projects. Plus he seems to take a winter break sometimes lol. Your channel is rocking btw! So good.

You need to rev the engine a little higher before changing to next gear for better acceleration times. Just try again...

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

I revved to redline or just about..I'm not trying to blow up the engine lol...Besides I shifted the same each test to I could compare times equally.

For a small investment you could buy and fit an air/fuel ratio gauge to your Himi and actually see what’s going on with the fuelling on each setup you try. That way you won’t be unknowingly cooking that engine to death and can actually have an understanding where you are and where you need to be with your setup. To give you a small insight, I have done similar with a 110cc scooter. Funny right? Nope! Just by changing the throttle body and a bigger injector, I can feel a difference in usability and I get to see what the ecu is doing to the fuelling. You said you weren’t sure if premium gas would make a difference? I can confirm that it affects burn temperature registered at the O2 sensor and therefore affects fuelling. Just a thought and best regards

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

that’s some smart insight and maybe a follow on project. :) I can defiantly “feel” a difference between stock, with ecu, with ecu and open air element, and ecu in performance mode / Open air element. I could not feel ANY difference with premium gas, but the engine just does not have the compression the utilize any bit of the extra slow burn of the higher octane. I’m sure it affects burn temperature but I don’t think the engine can take advantage of it. Perhaps we will see in a future test :)

@scootyman2974

3 жыл бұрын

@@MCCJustMotos you are correct, the higher octane fuel in a low compression engine won’t affect performance but I notice with my scooter that it certainly runs quieter with less ‘pinking’ when I’m running at higher engine speed. The burn temperature appeared Cooler (it displayed as running richer) on the gauge too than regular fuel. I’m just waiting for a delivery from Japan, a Kitaco exhaust and that should lean out my mixture to hopefully around correct and I’ll deffo get more top end. If you have a fuel controller, you want to start by looking at the air fuel ratio plus the throttle position as this also affects how much is going in. On mine, the ECU will attempt to correct the fuelling back to stoichmetric (14.7:1 air to fuel) until the throttle position gets to around 65-70% open. It is at that point the ECU allows the fuel injector to give all it has. I believe that’s known as open circuit whereas when in correction range it’s closed circuit. It will be similar for your Himi so whilst you’ll get a tiny bit more airflow with a K&N, you really need to be putting on a bigger throttle body and injector to see a real difference in performance. Hope that helps and best regards

@mrpoca

3 жыл бұрын

New scooter, Scooty Man? I miss your videos!

Can you please tell me best tyre for himalayan

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! My favorite.. Mitas E07 kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4l_taZuicaZZNo.html

Yes yes top speed runs, since you have a super secret testing facility

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Haha, Yes, super secret...Shhh!

looks like you gained a pony. Maybe ill shed 20 lbs to get the same benefit. :P Nice, detailed videos. Crushed between a KLR and this.

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

i estimate I got between 15-20% more HP...so between 3.6-4.8 horsepower..for about $350. KLR is a good bike too. This is a better bike for off-road and I think on-road but the KLR probably has a bit more umph. You won’t go wrong with either.

@drury2d8

3 жыл бұрын

@@MCCJustMotos The KLR and Himalayan weigh nearly the same, but both max out at around 80-85 mph, with the KLR having just over 15 HP more.

@ThinkMud

3 жыл бұрын

@@drury2d8 I’ve had both and they both are nice. I like the Himalayan better for the balance and lower center of gravity. And it fits my shorter legs better lol.

U should remap your rpm don't use as it is remap it in ur own Style

@MCCJustMotos

2 жыл бұрын

I did… look ;) kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y6t_uaydcZCtcZM.html

sprocket upgrade?

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

New sprockets to go with a new DID chain, but no change in teeth. Thanks for stopping by!

I have never had to crack the throttle on any fuel injected vehicle to get it to start. I'm no mechanic but it would seem to me.....sumpin' ain't right.

@MCCJustMotos

2 жыл бұрын

Admitatly not great. I’ve ridden a few bikes that have a map advance ( kinda a choke) lever but yeah, I wish I didn’t have to crack the throttle.

Plz make a video on top speed .....

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

okay will do....

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Top speed video made! kzread.info/dash/bejne/aaGh25ORoMvghNo.html

@srinidhit8298

3 жыл бұрын

Top speed is 120kmph but 100kmph is the comfortable speed

@mattyb7736

3 жыл бұрын

@@srinidhit8298 whats wrong with your one? my 2019 used to get to 135 (80 mph) reasonably easily with std gearing

Does the ecu affects mileage?

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Not tremendously. I have 3 tanks and I am getting 42-43 MPG. I was getting about 45 MPG

Which country is this

@MCCJustMotos

2 жыл бұрын

It’s in U.S.A. But the same bike and performance gains happen the same in any country!

@kiru4258

2 жыл бұрын

@@MCCJustMotos great!

Results are subjective and near worthless without accompanying dyno runs.

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Stephane, I agree that dyno numbers would be better, but test numbers are hard numbers too. They totally back up seat of the pants feel. Like in ANY top tier magazine/show, subjectiveness is mitigated by repeated and averaged runs, conducted on a same day under same day test circumstances. Perfect? Of course not. Near Worthless? Of course not. Thanks for watching and Happy New Year!

@monroefuches2707

3 жыл бұрын

@@MCCJustMotos Hitchcock's got only 4 more HP with the Powertronic, exhaust upgrade AND a 462 cc cylinder and piston kit on their dyno. Too many rider induced variables on speed runs to be of any real value. But if you are happy, I'm happy. If I spent the time and money on mine, I'd want to think it went faster as a result too.

Just buy a 650 BMW, 48 hp and more torque. Same weight too.

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

They are nice..I’m guessing at least double the cost?

@mikehurley5052

3 жыл бұрын

@@MCCJustMotos Mine is 2007 GS 650, 13000 miles, perfect condition, 2600 GBP with full luggage, had it 2 years, toured UK, France, Italy and the Balkans, no problems.

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds fantastic! I’ve toured the U.S. with my Himi and it did great too, check out my Maryland to montan trip 22 episodes! Here is a fun episode :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/qnV5mqylj92tYrA.html I checked and it looks new for new it’s almost 3X’s the Himilayan price!

Your bike desperately needs a valve service. If you still have it.

@MCCJustMotos

8 ай бұрын

Oh you mean “THIS” bike.. kzread.info/dash/bejne/k3-fxteuos_ghag.htmlsi=EpOoYuED28eBQtXM

Why would you waste your money?

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

$300 for about 20% more power? Does it need it? Nope. Does it change the Character of the bike, Yup. Is it a value enough for someone to rush out and do? That’s a question for each owners to decide. Hopefully test videos like this can help those ownwes make up their minds. Thanks for stopping by the channel Paul!

Those gear changes are too aggressive for the himalayan..just ride it in a royal enfield way ..

@MCCJustMotos

2 жыл бұрын

They are very aggressive my friend! I did it that way just for the test ;) . I normally like to shift early and let the torque pull the bike around. But, that is what I like about the Himalayan, you can ride ir many different ways! Cheers!

Don’t Use High Octane on Himalayan - The Vehicles Engineered in India are Engineered to Go Any Roads, Go No roads, and Go Places with Zero Human Reach - And With No Roads means Normal Fuel is What is Used as THE Standard to Engineer the Max. Fuel Economy. You can Use Fuels as Nominal As Like 87-90 Octane gas ⛽️ I am a Bachelors in Mechanical Engineer, and an Owner of Current Gen 2020 RE HIMALAYAN BS-6

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Agree! It was just a test to see if it made any difference. I went on a big trip across america with so many places with zero people. Max, my Himalayan did amazing and saved me when I got in trouble. here is episode 12 of 22. kzread.info/dash/bejne/a65_qbicm5fUgtY.html

Lessons Learned: 1) Don’t waste your money on power upgrades on your Himalayan. 2) Spend your money on accessories. 3) Fill up with ethanol-free fuel. No matter the octane.

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

Not bad lessons...Would I spend about $300 to get near 20% better power from my Himilayan? Yeah...but it’s a soft yes. Not necessary but not expensive to get those gains.

@HowzitUSA

3 жыл бұрын

@@MCCJustMotos for me does the increase in power outweigh the increase in wear & tear? What is the long term cost?

@MCCJustMotos

3 жыл бұрын

@@HowzitUSA Well, I hated the stock chain, it wore out pretty quickly. So, I bought a more robust chain and sprocket set (DID), and that will handle ANY additional wear in that area. The power upgrades actually make the engine run cooler/richer and i’m running less RPM than normal to get up to a given speed. I’m guessing overall it won’t add any ware and tare or even less wear and tear than stock, but that is just a guess, biased in cooler running temps and less rpm than normal.

@HowzitUSA

3 жыл бұрын

@@MCCJustMotos I suspect Pierre Terblanche, the ex Ducati designer, tried producing a more powerful Himalayan and settled on less. For reliability reasons. When BMW launched the much more powerful R1200GS they had numerous 1st year drive shaft failures. Yeah, keep us updated on how your Himalayan holds up. 👍