No matter how much time you had it , you told us what we all want to know. I think it's great you mention about the brakes not having to be super sharp, it's something I keep meaning to say then the words never come out, but quite right thought they don't ,and shouldn't be super sharp on a 21 front, in the wet that could easily go wrong. Thanks very much for the mention, hopfully some will pop over and have a look. I think we are on the same path with the bike overall....I'd really like to own one ,and it had a lot of riding enjoyment for me, but the vibes is something I can't get my head around when the bike is so good on most other areas ....I'd have one tomorrow. The launch has been a real disappointment for loyal fan boys/girls, and its something they need to get on top of. The whole re-structure over here has been VERY choppy and I don't think things are getting any better. Overall ,it still deserves to sell well. I am a fan of it, and 3-4 days after riding it I couldn't stop thinking about it but its still the meaty for me as you know (at the moment) Thanks very much for the mention and you're brill video, the scenery was real nice on this video. I love France and all you have to offer. And Thanks very much for the 2CV which was an engineering delight. El outro dix ja

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 Thanks as always Steve. You made me chuckle as usual ! Yes. I now think that this is the first RE in a long time which is going to disappoint people. I say that now, with a high degree of confidence. It does look as though the RE test engineers signed off on this engine, with this level of vibration, something which I simply can't understand. The 411 is a fairly old engine and still feels smoother than this new 450. It feels as though the engineers were fixated on the HP numbers and didn't give much thought to high speed smoothness. So now, the one thing that everybody was hoping that the "bigger Himmy" was going to do better, in all probability, it simply doesn't ! As Ken says. If an engine is vibey from the outset, that character is likely to remain. It may get less with more miles, but this engine seems to be inherently vibey and unfortunately it's a higher frequency vibration than the 411 which makes it much more unpleasant, even at similar revs. I think the Himalayan 450 could cause a mild shite-storm. A lot of people ordered one expecting it to have typical RE levels of refinement which I don't think it has. Anybody who watched the early Indian reviews could have been forewarned that they should hold back and wait and see. But A LOT of people ordered one, expecting it to be the "touring Himalayan" they had always dreamed of and I think that these people are in for a disappointment. Time will tell, but I have a bad feeling about this one. Take care mate. I am going to order the hot chip for our next ERMageddon. I will be in touch when I have everything in place and we can set a date ! Love to the Exmouth crew, George and Mildred.

@PhilipBallGarry

2 ай бұрын

Hold my beer, I'm on my way over Steve 👍

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

@@PhilipBallGarry Will do. If the level has gone down when you get it back, then that was....ahem....evaporation 😇 Enjoy his excellent video ! Invoice is in the post Steve !

@PhilipBallGarry

2 ай бұрын

@@economicalrides Damn, I got as far as the end of our road and it was empty. Had to go back for a refill. Exeter is 200 miles from Derby. I might be some time... 🤣

great vistas, and a nice first look at the new Himmy. You are dead right - when things go wrong it's dreadful, at the time but years later we tend to look back on these things. I remember my 50cc DT50 getting water logged in torrential rain one night on my 15mile commute home at 11pm one winters night, it cut out and wouldn't start. Nightmare, but a firendly motorcyclist on a BMW going the other way turned back and helped me hide the bike in the ditch and gave me a lift home. Hope you are both well!

@BlakesPipes

2 ай бұрын

Great story. It's always bad times that make the best stories. Unless it's about ex wives.... 😂

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Ice. Long time no speak. Could you send me an email ( address on here somewhere ) and I'll send you a vid of the Cerne Giant Swinging Member Clock in action 😂 Yes, I agree. The thing is, unless it is life ending, it gets sorted one way or another and when it does, you have a story to tell. If anything ever happened to me, up a mountain and without mobile signal, MY SAFETY would become my primary objective. The bike would be irrelevant. I would just need to find a way to get home and get back to safety. This is why I love my 5500 quid Himalayan so much. I can leave it half way up a mountain for a week and not worry about it. Even if somebody loaded it into a van and nicked it in that time, ok, I'm probably 3000 out of pocket. But so what ? If I am home or in hospital being taken care of, that is collateral damage and I will survive that and live to ride another day. When I had my Bullet 500 that kept dying on me and refusing to restart, I met so many kind, friendly people who were desperate to help me out. Those are REAL motorcycle experiences ! Take care my friend and drop me a line so I can show you the big second hand swinging round 😂 Garry

@jimtitt3571

2 ай бұрын

Two things spring to mind. Who is the bike aimed at? People who bought a 411 surely as what it does better aren't why they bought a 411 in the first place and the updates aren't going to be enough to attract a completely new generation who have no interest in " classic" bikes. I should be a customer, I got my licence in 1968 but an overweight, slow bike with bad brakes, been there done that. Then there's the "running-in" stuff, I've a long involvement in the motorcycle industry, test rider for magazines, race engine burilder and so on and running-in is three heat cycles and nail it, either RE are still using 1950's technology to build engines or the vibration isn't going away, either way it's not good. On our race bikes the engines get three pulls on the dyno and are shipped out, the only things that need breaking in is the frames where some take 10hrs to flex properly. And off-road if it can't do a stoppie with maximum two fingers it's worthless!

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

@@jimtitt3571 Hi Jim. It's a good question. It's certainly not for me and it's definitely not for you by the sound of it 😂 Let's suppose that there are three types of adventure bike customers. a) Those who predominantly want a bike for touring and road riding, with light trailing ability. b) Those who basically just need a road legal bike to get them onto the trails in the first place and maybe they'll use it on the road for running the odd errand or a weekend blast. I'm in this group myself. c) Those that want an all in one bike with an expected 50/50 mix of off-road and on-road riding. Well, the 450 as it stands is no good for customer a. There are a ton of other bikes you could buy for similar money that would do that job better and with more comfort. The 450 could be a tricky proposition for customer b when it comes to the trails. The way the throttle works makes it very hard to keep the engine alive with any sort of precision once the revs drop. The 450 carries its weight higher up than the 411, which isn't going to be beneficial. For customer c, again, there are many other bikes which probably do one or both types of riding much better. You could even argue that the 411 would be a candidate. OK, it struggles a bit on fast roads but it can be used on them and with patience should get you up or down any trail.. I'm not really sure what this bike does well. I think it struggles to recommend itself for any of the three ADV bike buying groups. It's not great on the road, it's not great off-road. There are decent options available from other manufacturers for similar money, be that for a touring ADV bike, a trail riding ADV bike or a 50/50 ADV bike 🤷‍♂ I will be sticking with my 411 because to me it is just much more of an all-rounder. It's not brilliant at anything but neither does it have any significant failings. It'll do for me, to can do everything I need it to do 🙂 I have a feeling that after a long run of hits, the 450 Himalayan could turn out to be a bit of a miss for RE. Particularly because of the hype leading up to the official launch, expectations were very high and I fear that for many buyers they will not be met. Thanks for your thought provoking comment Jim 👍🏻 Garry

I took delivery of mine on the 1st June and I had a 411 previously, they happen to have the same name but you cannot compare the two. The 450 is a completely different bike, far superior quality and reliability with a more powerful engine and excellent suspension. I took the rubber inserts out of the footrests as I prefer the feel of the metal rather than rubber and I have not noticed any vibrations but I am running the engine in so not going much above 4000 rpm at the moment.

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Hi Barry, I completely agree, the bikes are completely different and will probably end up appealing to a different customer set when the dust has settled. I'm not sure that we can say that the 450 is more reliable, it has only just come out ! I think we need to wait a bit before declaring that. The trouble that the 450 Himalayan will have, is that it does not make a compelling argument for a 411 owner to upgrade. It is better in some areas but also worse in others. It's not a slam dunk and the upgrade is going to be quite expensive. So I see a lot of 411 owners who were thinking about buying the 450 now sticking with what they've got. The 450 simply isn't a better all-round motorcycle, it's just different in some key areas. Some will upgrade if the things that the 450 does better are the thing they most miss on the 411. But overall it feels like it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. I can't be convinced that the 450 is worth spending another 3k on and losing my 411 for. I also think that the 450 will be viewed differently by people who don't already own a 411. They will view it on its merits and probably decide that it's a good bike for them. If I recall correctly the vibes really kicked off as you approach 5k rpm, maybe at 4800 rpm or so. So you probably haven't experienced them yet but then again, you may not be as sensitive to vibrations as I am. I'm glad to hear that you are happy with your purchase. As ever, whether or not somebody decides to upgrade from the 411 will depend upon what they use their Himalayan for and which things are most important to them. If you've come down on the side of the 450, that's fine. For what I use my Himalayan for, I firmly believe that I don't need the 450 and can save myself the 3k or so that it will cost me to upgrade. Thanks Barry. Enjoy your new bike 🙂 Garry

Hmmm, my BSA is fine at 70-80mph and although the mirrors vibrate, there are next to no vibes through the bars or footpegs. I suspect that Himalayan will ease up considerably, so I'd love to see a re-test of it. Anyway, I'm no longer a Livestream virgin, having spent 2 ½ hours yesterday in the company of Noobiker, Exeter Rider and Weston Super Motovlogs. By all accounts, it was well received with lots of comments and viewers, so hoping to do more in the future. .

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Well done Andy 👍🏻

It looks lush in the black with gold wheels don't it 😍 Ace that the wind gave you a break mate. That was a lovely coast road around the 13min+ mark 🙂 The vibes at 60mph is a bit of a shame, but to be expected I suppose. My little 8S has vibes throughthe bars and pegs, it isn't too much, but is very noticiable all the same.

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Thanks Pete. I think the vibes on this bike are too much for me. I was expecting some vibes, based upon other reports, but they were considerably worse than I was expecting. A shame for RE but good for my bank account 😂 I bet your 8S has good vibrations though, the kind that give it character 🥰 Cheers Pete, Garry & Ruby

@HippoDrones

Ай бұрын

@@economicalrides I can tolerate them

a nice suprise when i turned on my chromebook Gary .i even forgot it was Tuesday . the new bike sounds nice but have heard elsewhere they have vibes . will enjoy your next part as a follow up . love to you and Ruby from us both .

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Thanks John and Linda ! Yes. This new engine is very lively indeed but it is terribly buzzy. I think that many people will be disappointed by the 450 because most people expected it to be a competent tourer at motorway speeds and for me that is looking unlikely. I suppose that the engine could cope with a larger front sprocket, so maybe folks can gear it up and make it bearable at 70 mph but that's never going to be ideal. Unfortunately, I fear that RE may have missed the mark with this bike ☹️ Take care you two ! Love, Garry & Ruby

@johnbellamy6449

2 ай бұрын

@@economicalrides thanks for a good honest opinion .

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

@@johnbellamy6449 Thanks for watching John 🙂 Fortunately I have the freedom to always be honest on my channel, I'm not reliant on anybody's goodwill for demo bikes and the like. I will just ride and report back how I feel. People can value my opinion or not, I'm just putting it out there 😇 I predict that a lot of buyers are going to be unhappy with their Himalayan 450s. For me the lack of refinement from this engine is just the wrong side of acceptable. Hopefully RE can find a way to alleviate the issue somewhat. Cheers John and Linda 👍🏻 Garry & Ruby

What a great review of the Himalayan. I still like the old look and i guess if i dont ever buy a HD sportster, i will buy a 411! Just look like a fun bike. Not sure where the new Himalayan fits in to my moto needs. But time will tell! Looking like some great weather and i always love town riding to see culture. Thanks for the ride along sir!

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Hi Blakester. Funnily enough, after a few days of reflection, I started to make a case for possibly upgrading to the 450. Then I decided to use that as a theme for the next video. And then during that video I made a compelling argument for keeping the 411. Sometimes making videos just helps you to find the truth 😂 Even though I always use the same test route in Almeria, I was thinking whilst filming this that if nobody else did, at least you would enjoy seeing this Spanish coastal city once again 😝 Take care Blake and give hugs to whatever canines come your way ! Garry & Ruby

Interesting. I’ll have to get myself over to Almeria and try it. Having said that I’ve just got back from a ride on my 411 and it’s going to have to be something very special to make me think about changing.

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Hi mate, well, to be honest, I really can't see any reason for a 411 owner to buy the 450. Considering that a 411 with a cam upgrade, air filter mod and sprocket change can probably cruise vibe free at 120 kph all day long and will also be easier to ride off-road, I am really struggling to see what the 450 is going to do better than the 411. I was annoyed that RE discontinued the Himmy 411 and now I am even more annoyed. It would have been nice to have still had the choice, given that the 450 is struggling to make a compelling argument for itself ! Say hi to the Motos Matilla crew for me. Lovely folks and the workshop also do an excellent job. Let me know how you feel about it yourself. I'd be interested to hear back from you ! Just make sure you take it on the motorway. Around town it feels lovely ! Garry

Nice first impression. The black n gold is my favourite colour scheme. Hopefully the vibration, once run in settle’s down. You mention it’s higher than the older model. Seems like manufacturers want to make new models higher than the old model.😢 Seems that it’s definitely got more go, as you accelerated up the slip road. Look forward to video on instruments panel. Best wishes.😊

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Hi Mark, yes, it's about an inch taller than the 411 I would say. I went from full balls on ground on both sides to 2/3 balls on each side ( balls of feet, of course. If it was the other balls then I think I should seek probably seek medical advice 😂 ). The dash panel footage is unfortunately quite flickery, so it will only be a quick demo. It was hard to film it and do it at the same time. But yes, I can sort of demonstrate how it works. Mike Hatswell send me some pictures of his recent trip and also of meeting you and Tiger Ness ( I think it was ). Glad to see that you two finally managed to meet up, great stuff 👍🏻 Take care Mark. Looking forward to hearing how your mods are working out. I will try to catch up with your channel soon buddy. Cheers, Garry & Ruby

@weemark67

Ай бұрын

@@economicalrides yes we did. Tiger Ness has done a video. I did a small one also. I was up Mike’s way today. I contacted him. But wasn’t available. Hopefully another day.

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

@@weemark67 👍🏻🙂 Have a great weekend Mark !

Good evening Garry and Ruby, I have been deliberately avoiding reviews and first impressions for the 450 so as to avoid any temptation to buy one! 🤣However as it's a video by you, I have succumbed! 😃 I do like the look of the bike but not enough to want to replace my Scram with one but never say never. Thanks for taking us along and sharing your impressions. Cheers 😄👍 p.s. loved the scenery!

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Hi Dave. I would absolutely recommend that you DO NOT buy the 450. It is going to be worse off-road, on all but the fastest of trails. It is not going to be better on the motorway ( well, it will have power to overtake but it will also vibrate more than the 411 at your likely cruising speed ). It is more expensive to buy, yet somehow worse. Things like the 3 in 1 rear indicators are going to be more expensive to replace when you drop the bike than the ones on the Himmy / Scram. It feels more top heavy than the Himmy/Scram, because of the fuel tank placement. Not exactly advantageous when things get sketchy and you are in danger of dropping the bike. The ride by wire throttle response is not as direct as a cable throttle. Technical off-road sections, where precise throttle control is important, will be a lot harder to ride on the 450. I go into this in more detail in my follow up video. Honestly. The Himmy and Scram are better "all round" bikes in my opinion ! I genuinely believe that the Himmy 450 will disappoint a lot of buyers. There. I said it ! Cheers Dave, Garry & Ruby

@MerciaMoto

2 ай бұрын

@@economicalrides thanks Garry, appreciate the words of advise. I shall avert my gaze back towards the Shotgun 😀👍🏻

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

@@MerciaMoto Now we're talking Dave !!! I really must find out if the dealer in Murcia ( with a U 😝 ) has one on demo. That is a bike that I could get excited about, if it feels "right" out on the road. The Shotgun could hit that sweet spot that the Meteor 350 does, just with more power to play with. That would be awesome ! Buddy would have to stay though. I'll need him to fall back on when I'm old and decrepit 😂 Cheers Dave 👍🏻 Garry & Ruby ❤🐕

Royal Enfield has to up the game on the service. Looks like a lovely summer drive to me 😀 Cheers Ruby & ER 🍻

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Hi William. My advice to anybody considering the 450 would be to wait and see if the vibes reduce significantly over time. If not, the 450 REs will be hard to recommend for people who want to do sustained high speed riding. The 350s and the 411 seem so much smoother at motorway speeds ! Cheers William, Garry & Ruby

Hi Garry, great to hear your view on the new Himalayan, it’s one of those bikes that I am trying to avoid because I would have loved it 10 or 15 years ago but I don’t think I could use it now, as much as I would love to 😂😂 all the best buddy 👍

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Hi Mike. Well, you can probably get a second hand Himalayan 411 for peanuts right now and I would definitely recommend that bike, even for the roads. It's a very versatile machine to have in your garage. The 450, for me, doesn't do the one thing well that everybody was hoping that it would do, i.e. the motorway thing ! Cheers Mike, Garry & Ruby

The one you chose to try looks wonderful. But.... The sort of vibration you are describing reminds me very much of my 250 RE Crusader after I put rearsets on it. After 25 miles my feet went numb. Our 350s really don't have this, do they and that to me is a revelation. Nice video to watch and your rest seems to have done you so much good - you sound so much happier and relaxed 🤗🤗♥️

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Peter ! This is what I don't understand. Even the 411, which is now quite an old engine, was always considered to.be smooth for a single. Then the J Series took single cylinder smoothness to the next level. I'm struggling to understand how the next generation of RE single suddenly took a huge step backwards in terms of refinement. Was it the quest for big horsepower ? Probably it was ! Whatever the reasons, I think a lot of loyal RE customers are going to be disappointed by this engine's lack of refinement. It's something we haven't been used to in recent years. A lot of people ordered a 450 long before they got to try one, in good faith, knowing that RE keeps bringing awesome new products to the market. I think that these people may be somewhat disappointed when they finally get their bikes. Particularly those who gave up their 411 to get one ! I have a hunch that there is going to be a lot of criticism of this engine, as more and more customers get their bikes. Or it's just me that feels this way 🤷‍♂ Hopefully RE can rubber mount the pegs and bars or come up with some other solution to make this engine more comfortable at sustained high speeds. Yes, thanks, the break was good but the effect has already disappeared 🤬 Within a few days we were back into full on stress mode, unfortunately. May is going to be a tough month ! Take care Peter, will watch your latest video later,. I need to get back to writing the script for my follow up to this video first 👍🏻 Love from Spain, Garry & Ruby

I would add to my previous comment, that if you ride at contant speed concentrating on vibrations, you're going to notice them a bit more than when you're riding on bendy, bunpy roads and concentrating on staying alive!

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

But you will probably still find that if you ride for prolonged periods at 55 mph and more, your hands and feet will mysteriously go numb 🤷‍♂😉 I don't think that I am overly sensitive to vibrations David, having ridden an old Bullet 500 for 6 hours at 90 kph on the motorway to get to Portugal. Admittedly my hands were tingling a bit after a couple of hours on that bar steward but the engine of the 450 recently achieved the same feat in a matter of minutes. It's the high frequency of the vibrations that makes the difference. The Bullet vibrated like a jackhammer but of course they weren't high frequency vibes, like those coming from this Sherpa engine. If you can deal with the vibes of the new 450 David, then you'll love the bike. The throttle response with the ride by wire is a bit "different" but I firmly believe that one would quickly get a feel for it. At urban speeds the bike felt brilliant and there is a lot to like about it. But unfortunately for me, the vibes are currently the deal breaker. Everything else I could get past, but not those vibes, not in this day and age. That's just my personal opinion. Enjoy your new bike David. It's not for me but that doesn't make it a bad bike by any means. It's still an RE after all ! Cheers David, Garry

Fun. Looking forward to the tripper review.

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Hi MAMRE, thanks. Unfortunately it is very flickery because of the GoPro issue but I am sure that I can come up with something, even if I end up taking stills from the video. Take care my friend. Hoping to catch up with your adventures this week ! Much love from Spain, Garry & Ruby

@MeAndMyRoyalEnfield

2 ай бұрын

@economicalrides From this video I'm sure you changed fps. Action 4 gives recommendations when I select, 2.7K/50fps it says, "Recommended FPS (60Hz):60" and 2.7K/100fps it says, "Recommended FPS (60Hz):120" I apologize if you already know about this.

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

@@MeAndMyRoyalEnfield Hi MAMRE I have GoPros and use 4K 60 or 4K 50. So 60 Hz or 50 Hz anti-flicker is all I have. Both settings were rubbish although at 60 Hz the display was legible, albeit flickering. At 50 Hz it had a big black bar across it. Also in this video you can see that at 60Hz, sometimes it was fine and other times it flickered. I think that it has to do with the way the GoPro adjusts the exposure in AUTO mode. Probably 60 Hz with fixed exposure at the right value will be fine. Of the two 60 Hz seemed to work best. Cheers buddy, Garry

@MeAndMyRoyalEnfield

2 ай бұрын

@economicalrides try reducing below 4K. Also try turning Stabilization off. And combinations of these.

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

@@MeAndMyRoyalEnfield No point. I no longer have the bike 🙂 Besides, it seems to be insurmountable. Itchy Boots had the same issue and couldn't solve it, despite having googled and tried everything. Something about the way the GoPros capture that screen causes the intermittent flashing. It doesn't do it all of the time, so it's unlikely to be resolved by changing any setting IMO. Sometimes it is fine with the exact same settings, so 🤷‍♂ Fortunately I won't be getting a 450 and the GoPro does an excellent job of filming analogue instruments, so it's no skin off my nose 😂 Cheers Roger, Garry

Interesting to hear your thoughts, from memory I found that there were spots where it was worse, but after slowing down or speeding up they did go. Unfortunately I think at 70 it was pretty annoying and I had to slow down as I'm Mr speed limit 😂 imy bike has been delayed again,from the initial Feb date I'm looking at June now...😢😢😢 Can't wait to see the next vid as I didn't get round to it!

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Quinn. Well, as a few others have mentioned, if the vibes are there from day one, they are probably always going to be an issue, possibly just less so. As an example. The J-Series 350s seemed very smooth to me from day one but once they were run in, you just notice that they become EVEN SMOOTHER. An engine that is inherently unbalanced in some way is unlikely to suddenly find balance, as Ken says. You can expect it to improve a bit but the general tendency is likely to be buzzy. I expect this Sherpa engine to end up having the reputation of being a buzzy but powerful 450. It makes me wonder how successful other bikes ( which RE intends to base on this platform ) will be. I can't help feeling that the 450 is going to fall short in the one area where everybody was hoping that it would surpass the 411. If that happens, I will be VERY surprised because surely the engineers and test riders knew what we were expecting from the new "bigger Himalayan" ? In part two I try to convince myself that I could consider upgrading but in doing so convince myself that I shouldn't 😂 I will try to edit it to reflect that ! It's quite funny really. Cheers Quinn. Good luck with yours. I think the J Series has probably moved the goalposts as far as what I consider to be acceptable vibes for a single cylinder engine ! Love to the crew, Garry

Hi Garry, schöne Vorstellung der neuen Himalayan. Sieht aus als ob Ruby die Würstchen einfach inhaliert...😂 LG Stephan, Doro & Ramses

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Super Technik bei dieser Wurst, war mir auch aufgefallen ! Sie hat die Wurst in die Länge manipuliert und dann am Stück einfach eingesaugt 😂 An so was erkennt man einen Profi Wurstverspeiser 😂 Danke an euch für die Wǔrste and fürs zuschauen natürlich auch 🙏 LG Garry & Ruby ❤️🐕

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Sorry Stephan, ich hatte mich vertan. Erst in das Video von morgen zeigt Ruby ihre hervorragende Wurstmaniupulierungsfähigkeiten. Sie zeigt einfach eine weltmeisterliche Technik, um die Wurst in die richtige Position zu bringen, sodaß sie sie quasi einatmen kann 😂

@stephanl.4857

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂👍

Morning Garry, an interesting watch and although I mistakenly avoided reaching vibey revs, I have the same idea - wait until they've done a few miles, and take another ride. My mind hasn't changed though - Blizzard's here to stay! Stay safe Garry. 😎

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Honestly Martin, with the performance cam and the other mods you've done, I think Blizzard will be a much nicer bike for touring than the 450 in standard trim. There is not a doubt in my mind ! As I stated in this one, I even prefer my stock 411 on the motorway to the 450. I think that the vibes will reduce somewhat once the engine is run in but I don't think that its buzzy character will ever change. I think it is always going to be quite vibey at motorway speeds ( high frequency vibes too - the worst kind ! ) with the only solution that I can see being raising the gearing. It has enough power to carry a higher gearing. Maybe customers can gear it to be doing 500 rpm less at 70 mph or something. I don't think it is ever going to be pleasant at 70 mph in stock form though ! Cheers Martin. I see you've been busy and I am trying to catch up with my watch queue ! Take care Martin. The way the year is flying by so far, you'll be here in no time I reckon ! Garry & Ruby

@martintraffordmoorlandbike7121

2 ай бұрын

You're spot on there Garry, and having just had a most enjoyable (apart from the camping!) week in Scotland on Blizzard, I'm just not tempted. In fact, if I was to be tempted to make a change, it might be (hushed tones) - a non - RE bike! 😳🤦. Yes, October approaches and I'm even having dreams about boarding the sodding ferry!! 😅 Regards to Ruby, and stay safe. 😎

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

@@martintraffordmoorlandbike7121 Yes Martin, if you were looking at upgrading your travel bike, then I think you would be better off looking at other brands, something like the NX500. Unfortunately for RE I don't think the Himalayan 450 is going to cut it for long motorway journeys and since they've ( rather foolishly IMO ) discontinued the 411 Himmy, we would really have no choice but to look elsewhere. I am very much of the opinion that I will ride both Norman and Buddy until they are beyond economical repair. Only then will I start looking at my options. They are both paid for and they do everything I need them to do. Cheap motorcycling ! Cheers Martin, looking forward to you coming over ! Garry & Ruby ❤🐕

Well, I think that was a pretty detailed review, given the short time that you had it. I've not heard any reviews missing out mentioning the vibes, a few have glossed over it but everyone raises the issue. Maybe i'm being harsh but i'd say poor on R/Es part given all the extended testing that they say was done on the prototypes. If there's a mass of metal in the engine flying around off balance at 5000rpm then its still going to be there in a couple of thousand miles time, it wont 'go' anywhere. I entirely get what you're saying about the brakes, a bike that has off road pretensions doesn't need the brakes of a sportsbike, sort of saving one from oneself (on the loose) Thanks for your thoughts, nice vid. All that was missing was a bit of Tony Bou/Pol Tarres stylee footage up in the mountains! 😜👍

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Haha Ken. I didn't read the small print when I signed my life away before taking the bike out, but I suspect that off-road shenanigans were off the menu 😂 You need to check out my follow up video next week. Filmed on the trails with Norman, me trying to convince myself that I would like a 450 if certain conditions were met. And the more I talked, the more I realised that Norman is by far the better off-road option. I go into a bit more detail on the low engine speed throttle response of the 450, which I experienced here, coming off of roundabouts. I think it may be related to the ride by wire throttle not being linear. So the first part of the throttle doesn't do much at all to move the throttle bodies, only after about 20% throttle does the engine start recover. So it would be like riding a bike with a ton of play in the throttle, which would be a nightmare to modulate in tricky off-road sections. So yeah. My attempts to convince myself to consider upgrading were kind of self-defeating.🤷‍♂ Still, money saved, eh ? The vibes are very much an issue with this engine, so much so that Moto Bob dedicated an entire video to it. Like you say, a lot of people mention it, others try to be diplomatic and play it down. Even Moto Bob struggles to say that they are an issue but reading between the lines, you can tell that he thinks they are. To be fair, most channels which gloss over it also get press bikes from RE, so it's hard for them to be brutally honest I suppose. Of course, I have no such issues 😇 Thanks Ken, hugs to the girls ! Garry & Ruby

It’s the ABS on the breaks makes them a little spongy which I think is good ,bang for buck it’s good value it dose every it says on the tin ,jimmy Australia that’s what I thought when I found Utube 8 years ago I hardly ever watch the TV Utube is great 👍😀

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Hi Jimmy, no the ABS does nothing at all up until the point where the wheel locks. People have been able to massively improve the initial bite on RE models by swapping out the master cylinder ( which is quite soft in its operation ) and using sintered pads and pads of a different material. It's the combination of a very soft master cylinder and the material of the brake pads they use. Other brands with ABS brakes still manage to have bite in them. ABS is not the cause of the lack of initial bite. RE seems to consciously go for little to no initial bite on their brakes. The feel is more akin to a TLS front brake, which many in India will be more familiar with, from the days of the old Bullets. The harder you pull, the harder you stop. It's ok. It works. It has always been a characteristic of RE bikes for as long as they have been fitting disc brakes to their models. Cheers Jimmy. Me too. Never watch TV anymore. Just KZread ! Garry

Very interesting. I imagine it would smooth out a little with some miles on it, but it’ll probably still be an issue. Great fun for ragging lanes but maybe not for touring. In that regard it’s how you put it yourself, may as well stick with the 411. Top job El Otro. Much love to Ruby and you from Twinks and I ❤️👍🏼😎

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Jeff. Yes, like Ken said. The vibes are underlying. For comparison, the 350s felt smooth to me from the outset, it was just that at 2000 miles, they felt noticeably smoother. An engine that is vibey from the outset is likely to remain vibey. Surprising that so many reviews downplay the vibes of this engine but I genuinely believe that this bike will prove to be a disappointment to many. It fails in the one area where it needed to succeed. I do not believe that in practice it will be a better touring machine than the 411. More powerful yes, so you will have reserves on the motorway. But I think the effective cruising speed will still end up being around 60 mph because of the high frequency vibes making anything more than that unbearable. I'm afraid that this bike could be the first RE in a long time to disappoint the customer base. I hope that I am wrong but I don't think that the vibes of this engine are within acceptable limits. I think they are going to put people off and unfortunately a lot of people are ordering this bike based on pre-release hype, which I don't think is going to be proved to have been justified. I do worry about this one. I am very surprised that the RE test engineers signed off on this engine as it appears to be at the moment 🤔

@Saddlebags73

2 ай бұрын

Is there the possibility that you just got a ‘bad one’? I remember riding a Classic 500 that almost rattled my fillings out, but mine is much easier to live with 🤷🏻‍♂️

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

@@Saddlebags73 Hi Jeff. Those weren't vibes, that was character ! 😂 Actually Classic 500 vibes are nowhere near as bad as the vibes I experienced here. The difference being that the Himmy 450 has high-frequency vibes, the type that make your hands tingle after just a few seconds. Really unpleasant. I could even feel my feet starting to go numb towards the end there. Of course we can't rule out that I got to ride a dud but just about every review does mention the vibes at motorway speeds, many from India, where they've been riding them for a while now. Apparently the KTM 390 is a lot smoother whilst similarly powerful. I think we will learn that this engine is simply of the buzzy variety and compared to others, does lack refinement at higher revs. To what degree people can live with that remains to be seen. All I think I know is that most people were expecting this bike to be better on the motorway than the 411 but I'd already argue that it's probably debatable. I could see a lot of people going up one tooth on the front sprocket, just to make 60-70mph more comfortable. That could work. The engine certainly has the power to deal with that. Fast though and fun to wring its neck. Maybe just not the tourer that many RE fans were hoping it would be, at least without mods. I really don't feel like I am missing out by sticking with my 411. The 450 is a bit of a mixed bag. Better in some ways. Worse in others. It just doesn't convince me enough to make me consider buying one. Cheers Jeff and Twinks ! Garry & Ruby

@Saddlebags73

2 ай бұрын

411’s forever 💪🏼

An economical ride is a used bike. RE 350 tune up are easy to do. The only thing I have shops do is mount tires.

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Yep. No need to always have the newest, shiniest thing if what you have is getting the job done. Quite right Frank 👍 Cheers, Garry

Very tempting, not that I need another bike. I would immediately fabricate a new Side stand if I got one. No such thing as "can't".... I increased the lean on my Hunter side stand by 2° the week after I got it. Might still add another 1° or 2°. That had the opposite problem, way too upright.

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Hi Tim, yep, the 411 Himalayan doesn't have much angle on the side stand as standard either. I've fitted a foot extender and it now feels a lot more secure but without it, it was borderline unstable. The 450 has definitely gone the other way. Possibly a tad too far for some. When the tank is full, there is a lot of weight high up to heave back into the vertical ! I would definitely hold fire on the 450 until we hear more about the engine vibes. If they don't reduce significantly over time, this bike is not going to be the viable touring bike that many people were hoping it would be. But I'm confident that RE know what they are doing.and that these engines are just particularly vibey when new but a lot better once run in. Cheers Tim.

Nice video...❤ I'm very content with my Meteor 350 but will add a himmy soon to compliment it... The 411 will do fine. Dont need more power here in north thailand + i ride slow, most of my action between 40kph and 80kph ... Cheers 🍻 *Crap Game* 🎉

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Hi CG, Yes. I’ve concluded that the Himalayan 411 is the better all-rounder, much better than the new 450. I highly recommend the 411 ! Cheers CG Garry

I test rode one and the vibes didn't bother me at all. People keep saying they will reduce with time but mechanically that would be unlkely unless, the ECU adjusts the fuelling over time and somehow reduces the effect. Anyway , I'm not bothered and I'm getting one.

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Hi David, yes I agree. The engine will almost certainly maintain its vibey character, I mention that in the follow up to this video. For me the 450 doesn't surpass the 411 as an on-road or off-road motorcycle and since I already own a 411, it's not something I'd be interested in buying. For me the vibes are unacceptable in this day and age, particularly when you consider that the same company came up with a very smooth 411 engine and later the even smoother J Series 350 engine. In terms of refinement, this Sherpa engine is a massive retrograde step IMO and to be honest I'm not quite sure how RE managed it. Presumably it happened in their quest for large power figures. In the follow up I do also mention that everybody has a different perception of an acceptable level of vibration, but for me, already owning two REs with older generation singles which are significantly smoother, this seems like a backwards step and it isn't better in any significant way, to make up for the lack of refinement ( bearing in mind that I consider the 350s to be adequately powerful and that more horsepower doesn't really interest me ). Enjoy your 450 when you get it David. I always look at the bikes from my perspective and what I need to convince me to buy one. I appreciate that others may come to a different conclusion. I personally hope that RE will accept the criticism ( from many sources ) that this is probably the bike with the most vibes in its category, and will look at how they can mount the engine, pegs and bars to better isolate rider from the vibes. I'm sure that something can be done to at least match their competitor's levels of refinement. Cheers David, Garry

There was such a long, drawn out introduction to this bike and they wouldn`t release the price or much in the way of tech specs etc and then it was launched just about everywhere and you couldn`t (can`t in some places) get hold of one. I know a guy, close to here, who ordered one in October and he still hasn`t got it. I think RE may have over-hyped this one. Glad to see you out riding and Ruby is looking well, bless her. Love from `Willers` 🐶 Take care mate. Dave and Willow

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Hi Dave and Willow. Yes, after all of the hype, I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed with this model. Particularly because it doesn't seem to do the motorway thing anywhere near as well as people were hoping. After a long series of hits from RE, I think the Himmy 450 is going to turn out to be a bit of a miss. I mean, they are selling well but I do think that the people who buy them are going to be disappointed rather than delighted. So it would be a bit of PR damage if that turns out to be the case. After wanting to see the virtues of the new version of this bike, I can honestly say that I don't really see them. For me, the 411 is the better all-rounder and nothing is making me think that I need the 450 in any way. Take care you two and hugs to Willers !!! Garry & Ruby ❤🐕

@davericketts9101

2 ай бұрын

@@economicalrides Yes, I have to agree with you Garry. I think that those who are going to use it off road, will probably be happier than people buying it for road use only. I guess time will tell but I think I would be more tempted by a recent, low mileage 411 Himalayan. From your point of view and the way you use the bike, I think that keeping Norman is the best option but obviously, up to you. You will, of course, have to clear any decision with Ruby. Take care, love to Ruby Dave & Willow ❤🐶

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

@@davericketts9101 Ruby says : "Less bikes, more sossidges !" 🐕 So that's that then 🤷‍♂ I'm not bothered, don't want the 450 anyway. I wonder if I could buy a Shotgun 650 without her noticing ? 🤔 Cheers you two, us two. ❤🐕 "Hiya Willers !"

@davericketts9101

Ай бұрын

@@economicalrides Haha, Ruby has got her priorities sorted for sure, good girl 🐶 Nah, you don`t want one and you don`t need one. Hmm, I think the Shotgun might get spotted by little Rubes 🤔🧐 Cheers folks 😊

The digital dash is a no go, I love analog

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

I agree and really like the dash of the 411 for this reason ! The fact that this one also flickers in GoPro footage, makes it suck for filming vlogs on this bike too ! I’m happy to stick with Norman, my Himalayan 411 👍 Cheers, ER

Take it up to 6000 revs try that

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Hmmm.....but that would mean riding on the motorway in fourth gear to stay under the speed limit, wouldn't it ? I took it up to 70 mph in sixth and it was still as bad as at 55 mph. I have heard from India that it supposedly smooths out a bit at around 80 mph but that is hardly helpful when the speed limit in your country is 70 mph 🤷‍♂ I think RE need to look at how the motor attaches to the rest of the frame and try to isolate the motor from the frame a bit better. This is their first frame which uses the engine as a stressed member. The frame has no lower subframe. Doing that does make it harder to keep vibrations away from the frame and everything attached to it. I'm sure that with a bit of effort they will be able to improve things to at least the point where the vibes are no longer worse than those of their competitors. I'm sure that the engine itself is smooth enough ( like all recent RE singles ). It's just how they've integrated it into the frame which is the issue IMO. Cheers Jimmy, Garry

Anything about 100kmph isn't pleasant? I heard it smoothes out above 130 kmph.

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Not very useful when the speed limit in your country is 120 kph ! For Europe the bike needs to be comfortable at 120 kph or 70 mph. If it's only comfortable when you are risking losing your driving license, that's not very practical 😝 I think RE need to look at rubber mounting the pegs and bars to alleviate this issue, since I imagine that a redesign of this brand new engine is not on the cards. Thanks though. Maybe somebody over here will risk getting a fine and confirm whether or not the 450 eventually smooths out. But even if it does, that is not a solution for most of us. Cheers ER.

First thing I noticed vibes,vibes and more vibes.....= ......New himy cancelled 😢

@economicalrides

Ай бұрын

Thanks Graham. After so many reviewers glossed over them, I was beginning to think that it was just me. Other bikes in the category also have high frequency vibes, the KTM 390, the Triumph 400 for example but RE unfortunately finds itself in the unenviable position of having "the most" vibes with this one. For me, given the smoothness of their previous singles, the 411 and then the 350, the vibes produced by this new engine are unacceptable and also a big surprise. One step forward in performance and two steps back in refinement. I can see a lot of buyers, who bought in good faith based on RE's recent excellent efforts, being disappointed by this one. Thanks Graham, I no longer feel so lonely ! Bromance ! Garry

Ps: Upgrade your bike from 410 to 411 😅😂🤣

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

😂 I don't know if you noticed but during the video and in general I always refer to my bike as a 411. Just as I would refer to it as a 452, should I ever buy the 450. But for the purposes of the thumbnail I decided to use RE's official designation 😇 But that extra 1cc is definitely important !

My 411 with a cam and a 36t rear sprocket is not at vibes and sits at 65mph with plenty of pull and no vibes.... hmm maybe I won't bother test riding yet 😂

@economicalrides

2 ай бұрын

Hi Phil, exactly. Even my stock Himalayan is fairly comfortable at 60-65. Any vibes you do sense are the nice vibes, the ones that don't make your hands and feet tingle. Unfortunately the vibes coming from the 450 are high frequency vibrations and my hands were starting to tingle even after a few minutes. Although the vibes may get slightly less over time, I suspect that this engine is just a buzzy engine and unless people change the front sprocket, I think that it will most likely remain slightly uncomfortable at motorway speeds. I expect that a larger front sprocket will be the go to mod for any 450 owner looking to do serious motorway miles ! Always try a bike if you have the opportunity Phil. I am probably more sensitive to vibes than many and you can't rule out that this bike might have been worse than all of the others. The 411 engine in Norman has really grown on me. Off-road in tricky slow speed sections, the ability of that engine to pull cleanly from idle on just a whiff of throttle makes life so much easier, barely have to bother feathering the clutch. Cheers Phil. Garry.

@widephil

2 ай бұрын

Great informative response Garry