Bit of an unfair comparison, as you didn't use the Cyrodilic Empire at it's height, but you did for the Romans.

@matynavarro8548

8 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The Cyrodillic Empire had Cyrodiil, High Rock, Skyrim and Hammerfell at their peak. Also, Tamriel is a continent, not the entire world. There are Five or six current continents on Nirn.

@007RAJKOify

8 жыл бұрын

+Neal Cleaver he sad Tamriel is only continent on Nirn.Lol he is dumb.

@007RAJKOify

8 жыл бұрын

+Maty Navarro Empire had entire Tamriel with summer set isles.Dont act smart because you are so wrong and you look so stupid.Dont correct with wrong info.

@matynavarro8548

8 жыл бұрын

+Hiperdude Lolz I am sorry, I forgot to clarify. I was talking about the new Empire, as the old one, the one from Tiber Septim, was the one that conquered all of Tamriel. This Empire practically disbanded (without leader) with the Molag Bal invasion and what not, (ESO) so the New Empire, with the few Septims that were left AND the Medes Dynasty, which is believed to have disappeared if the Dark Brotherhood Questline from SKYRIM is Cannon. I repeat, I forgot to clarify that.

@matynavarro8548

8 жыл бұрын

+Maty Navarro also both Septim and Mede are of the Third Empire, I just called them old and new since they are completely different for each other, causing the Empire to struggle to choose the new dynasty. I apologize, I still don't have a sufficient understandment of the English language

I'm sorry? You say Tamriel is the whole world?! What about Atmora, Akaviri and possibly some unknown continents?

@maximilienrobespierre7927

8 жыл бұрын

Angry Shark910 Even if so, it is a known fact that Nords came to Tamriel from Atmora, as well as the invasion of Akavir. Even if people of Tamriel haven't yet explored the rest of the world, they know of existence of other continents as, damn, first HUMANS on Tamriel come from Atmora!

@maximilienrobespierre7927

8 жыл бұрын

Angry Shark910 You have your point. But still, a fact is a fact - it is known that Atmora exists, even if it's no longer hospitable.

@osurac1880

8 жыл бұрын

ey said it en teh box ya dum elf.

@k1er4n544

7 жыл бұрын

would be cool if they made a game where in cyrodil you discover new lands like the americas and have gunpowder

@osurac1880

7 жыл бұрын

kieran simpson That's earth, this is nirn, Nin and Earth are two different planets, Nirn has only 3 continents, Tamirel, Akaviri, Admora. I've sure they would of saw if there was more land.

I liked the video, but you should have used an older version of the Cyrodilic empire for this comparison. Really the Cyrodilic empire at the time of Skyrim isn't comparable to the Roman empire anymore. This comparison should have been done between the Romans and the Cyrodilic empire at the time of Oblivion when it was at its height and technology was more comparable. By the time of Skyrim 200 years have passed since the Empire was at its height. At its peak the Empire held every single province of Tamriel whereas by Skyrim they only hold 3. The Imperial weapons and armor at the time of say Morrowind were also far more Roman in function with the swords looking even more like a gladius and the shields being actual tower shields.

@jamesdonnellan1724

8 жыл бұрын

+ΛΥΞΑΣ ΔΑΝΙΕΛ ΓΕΡΗΑΡΔ same

@mechkota

8 жыл бұрын

+wishbone346 But Morrowind and other provinces gained big degrees of autonomy in the Cyrodilic empire

@wishbone346

8 жыл бұрын

bladerun101 In the real world many places conquered by Rome were afforded the same luxury. Their own leaders were allowed to remain in charge, and they were allowed to keep many of their own customs. Rome usually only asked that nations pledge part of their armies to them, and that if Rome ever needed aid that the conquered nation help. Well, that and of course they were required to give money, goods, etc to the Romans. However, Rome rarely put its own leaders in charge of conquered peoples, and they rarely tried to take away customs that these peoples had. This was because doing so became to muddied and dangerous, especially as they got further and further away from Rome proper. Of course much of this changed in the later years of Rome. Many of the later Emperors did begin pushing for more control. This is of course one of the reasons Rome began to collapse.

@mechkota

8 жыл бұрын

wishbone346 Dark Elves in Morrowind general stance is anti-man and anti-empire.

@wishbone346

8 жыл бұрын

bladerun101 That's in the time of Skyrim. The Dunmer at the time of Morrowind actually agreed to join the Empire and were awarded special immunity to some Imperial laws such as the ban on slavery in exchange for joining. All the way up until Oblivion the Dunmer were relatively friendly toward the races of men (more or less) and were actually pro-Empire on the whole with the great house Hlaalu acting as the main support for the Empire there. Then after the Oblivion crisis the Empire abandoned Morrowind resulting in the province being nearly destroyed by the Daedra. In anger the other great houses abolished house Hlaalu and seceded from the Empire. Then the events that lead to the eruption of Red Mountain happened which led to Morrowind becoming completely destabilized and caused them to loose a good chunk of the province to the Argonians. The Argonians were however pushed back slightly by the united remaining Dunmer who mostly charged under the banner of house Redoran. This lead to the Redoran becoming the main ruling body in Morrowind, and Redoran is extremely anti-Empire due to the events that lead to Morrowind being in this state in the first place. So, in short at its peak the Empire was actually very friendly with Morrowind.

the Cyrodilic heavy armor looks like it would be quite a lot heavier than the roman armor.

@bloodypine22

7 жыл бұрын

Barghest Blue The Heavy imperial armour is like 10-15 millimeters thick

@barghestblue731

7 жыл бұрын

Ok yeah, that would be ridiculously heavy, what are they trying to stop with that? Musket balls?

@thatlemonguy1107

6 жыл бұрын

Javier Merino Jesus. Imagine that. You’d probably have to make the entire Continent full of your army.

@Agm1995gamer

3 жыл бұрын

It's just because of the limited graphics capabilities. Easier to portray thicker shapes.

@calexander7495

3 жыл бұрын

@@barghestblue731 Well they do have to worry about magical fireballs, giant monsters, and demonic incursions. So musket resistance is more of underkill than anything.

I'll be honest, while I did REALLY enjoy the video, my favourite part was the world map because New Zealand is on it, lol. We never get noticed outside of Rugby...

@metatronyt

8 жыл бұрын

+Tyler Moon I love the kiwis :D

@Axon4000Gaming

8 жыл бұрын

+Metatron Yay! :D

@Axon4000Gaming

8 жыл бұрын

+Metatron just wondering but if you haven't already, would you ever consider looking at Maori weaponry? (they had no armour since they were pretty much in the stone age when Europeans arrived)

@potatodeathclaw1036

8 жыл бұрын

+Metatron your roman armour looks like white blades armour

@Crytica.

8 жыл бұрын

+Tylord The Great Silly Kiwi.

When Tiber Septim was the Emperor , the Empire controlled almos whole of Tamriel

@akush42069

7 жыл бұрын

Skayu Gra same when uriel septim from oblivion did too

@Elipus22

7 жыл бұрын

Skayu Gra It controlled all of Tamriel. Central Blackmarsh was still under their control, but it wasn't possible to enforce law there.

@twiddlerat9920

4 жыл бұрын

ALL

@kjaldir1089

4 жыл бұрын

@@twiddlerat9920 Well Black Marsh was only "technically" part of the Empire, no one really ever conquered or fully controlled it.

@tauempire1793

2 жыл бұрын

Black marsh was just autonomous and the people just gave up hence why the Empire was able to say to the people "you are under Imperial law" with that they were able to recruit troops from there, get taxes ect but because the nature of black marsh and there being a few argonion sub races it sorta allowed them to be quite autonomous compared to somewhere like High rock which also had a fair bit of autonomym The same thing or similar thing sorta happened to Morrowind

Lol Tamreil is just one of the continents. I don't even think it's the biggest one.

@nivek8968

7 жыл бұрын

I heard somewhere that Tamriel was the size of Australia

@dr.stevebrule4029

7 жыл бұрын

LeafyIsHere idk if that's true but if it is then the countries in tamriel are small as hell

@andryuu_2000

7 жыл бұрын

LeafyIsHere Impossibile, more like northern America

@nivek8968

7 жыл бұрын

Andrew de la Mennah ☣ Skyrim was barely the size of Rhode Island

@Azaghal1988

7 жыл бұрын

gameplay =! lore Skyrim ingame is much smaller than in lore. Otherwise all people would starve because there's not enough space for crops to feed more than one small city :P

Looks like some commenters mix up some names... Tamriel is a continent. The planet is called Nirn.

Corrections, corrections, corrections, where to start with these numerous corrections. Okay...here we go: 1) The Septim Empire (While still based in Cyrodil, and still technically having that name, "The Cyrodilic Empire" is more commonly used to refer to the Raman, or Second Empire. There have been many "Cyrodilic Empires" throughout the ages, rising and falling ,with each successive empire building upon the legacy of the last) at it's height, controlled the *entirety of Tamriel* However, this only lasted a number of years, and with the centuries, the various provinces broke off. Right now, during the events of Skyrim, has control only over little over half of Skyrim, High Rock and Cyrodil itself. 2) Tamriel is *NOT* the whole of their world. There are several more continents on Nirn, including Atmora, Akavir(where the Blades find their origin), Yokuda(ancestral home to the red guard, sank in to the ocean), Pyandonea, Aldmeris(possibly mythical) and probably another that I'm missing. However, in comparison to Tamriel and Akavir, Akavir being the larger of the two, they rest are rather quite tiny - more akin to large islands than actual continents. To compare it to the real world, it would be as if the Roman Empire had control over all of Europe.bits of Africa and bits of Asia(Tamriel is bigger than Europe). Though, as far as controlling different cultures....the peoples under the empire are far more culturally and racially(some even belonging to entirely different species and, in fact, classes) different than those under Rome. After all, there are only so many differences that a man and a man can have, and the Empire is host to far more than men and men alone. 3) A general is a general, he commands over as large an army as he can get. Saying that an Imperial general controls a "small army or entire legion" is like saying Caesar only had command over a single battalion. 4) This is less a correction, and more a musing. I wonder if the first rank you can earn is "Auxiliary" because...well...that's kind of what you are. Also, dude, why are you reading straight from the Wiki? I always hate it when KZreadrs do that. At the very least, state that you are going to do it before you do it. 5) Never mix game mechanics and lore, they do not represent each other. What you see, is not necessarily the reality of that world. In video games, there is always a massive disconnect between what the player can do, and what the lore says. This is because of the limits of the systems, and because Bethesda make mechanically simple games that are heavy on the lore, heavy on the character and heavy on the mods. In short, we don't really know how the Imperial sword was meant to be used since the simplistic fighting system doesn't really do much in the ways of martial arts and, as far as construction goes, the Imperial Sword is a fucking paddle - I'm pretty sure that you could effectively row a boat with that thing! As far as the shape goes(assuming that we bring it back in to realistic proportions), it's really just a fancy gladius. However, seeing the lack of scutum-like shields in the game, I'm going to say that the Imperial Sword was probably used as both a cutting and thrusting weapon. While we don't really know it's material quality, I think that it's safe to assume that it was made out of high-carbon steel. The Elder Scrolls exists in a weird "time beyond time" situation where, the world does, in actuality, exist in something comparable to the high-middle toward late middle ages...but the individual factions exist in the time periods that they're supposed to represent(Cyrodil representing Rome and the Italian States, High Rock representing Medieval western Europe, Skyrim representing Scandinavia during that weird period at the end of the Viking age where they were kind of vikings, but also kind of not vikings, and Hamerfell representing the Moors during their hay day). Another weird thing is that....in Skyrim, the Nords are land-loving infantrymen. They like to fight with their feet firmly planted in the soil, which is a sharp contrast to Viking naval culture. 6) Again, more of a musing than a correction but...Skyrim seems to be waging some sort of crusade against sleeves. Which is very weird because all of the previous games had them in great amounts - and they were all set in much warmer regions than Skyrim(the only place on or around Tamriel,colder than Skyrim is Atmora...which is basically Greenland/The Arctic). 7) "We can't see both in the game" *cough* Yes we can. was about to go on a rant about mods, good thing you mentioned them. 8) Depends on what you mean by "prefer". Which would I rather live under? Septim - life's simply more interesting with Dragons and demonic incursions! Which do I find more impressive? Roman. With all due respect for Tiber Septim and his line, but it's one thing to conquer your world with magic shouts and giant mecha(that actually happened in the lore), it's another to conquer your world with only your wit and your will(and a few million legionaries behind your back).

@MikePhantom

8 жыл бұрын

+The Crimson Fucker welltiberseptim hd to use wit aswell,since at a certain point he slit his own throat not to be accused formurdering his king. morrowind was actualy msotlyconquered through diplomaty and the surrender of the false tribunal. also ONEman with the thuum didnt won a war alone.

@Criomorph

8 жыл бұрын

MikePhantom Never the less, warfare looks very different when you have magic and giant robots. Also...yeah, he kinda does when he can shout down cavalry charges, shatter open gates and rout formations and set towns on fire with his voice.

@MikePhantom

8 жыл бұрын

The Crimson Fucker remember the otherside had magic too. actually the old aldmeri dominion was magicly OP

@Criomorph

8 жыл бұрын

MikePhantom Eh...obviously not magically OP enough for the Empire's *giant, magical robot*.

@MikePhantom

8 жыл бұрын

The Crimson Fucker well read it up what that robot actualy was and where they got it. and before that tiber septim didnt dare to go into the dominion.

Theres a mod for skyrim on pc called Perfect Legionnaire, it over hauls the imperial armor quite nicely.

@metatronyt

9 жыл бұрын

LibertyPrime I'll have a look thanks :D

@ra_alf9467

2 жыл бұрын

@@metatronyt hey, I know it was an old comment. But can you review the Legion armor from Fallout New Vegas.

The point about territory was wrong. The Septim Empire conquered all the provinces of Tamriel except for Morrowind, which agreed to join on the condition that it maintained greater autonomy.

@minerva9104

7 жыл бұрын

They couldn't conquer morrowind because the telvanni would've destroyed them

@minerva9104

7 жыл бұрын

codebreaker1983 one does not simply kill the telvanni, those lesser elves they killed, they are nothing compared to the ruthless wizard lords of the telvanni, the only mages legally allowed to levitate because of the levitation act from which morrowind was spared, Divayth Fyr, a 4000 year old wizard, can kill half an army with one hand behind his back and a blindfold, if they wanted the telvanni could conquer all of tamriel thanks to their magical prowess, they just don't because they don't give half a shit about politics and conquering

@minerva9104

7 жыл бұрын

Robert R he wouldn't manage a military take over without heavy unnecessary casualties though

@rhadaghasttheenraged9627

7 жыл бұрын

Robert R the birds joined because of talos and helped shape the empire

@Robert399

7 жыл бұрын

troll of jom "birds"?

Skyrim huge battles are clusterfucks. But the game is still fun though.

@metatronyt

9 жыл бұрын

***** Good point xD

@petesperandio2572

8 жыл бұрын

***** If you own the PC version of the game and are, like me, extremely disappointed with the Civil War, there is a mod that makes the Civil War approximately 38x harder. You can actually and quite easily lose the Civil War. I forget the name of the mod, but I definitely know it exists.

@SageManeja

8 жыл бұрын

+Gocker the Smerts Yeah basically like every generic modern military shooter where YOU are the "hero" and its so obvious how everything is scripted around what YOU do.

@Crmsn-qk2io

5 жыл бұрын

Bloody_Crow your so right lol

the imperial empire logo is akatosh the dragon God of time

@totallynotagamingchannel3203

8 жыл бұрын

I thought it was tash-Raka, the Akaviri tiger dragon? Not positive though.

@deep_and_profound_topics

8 жыл бұрын

+Totally not a gaming channel they are the same God just in different pantheons.

@deep_and_profound_topics

8 жыл бұрын

+Totally not a gaming channel Oh nvm, that's a tiger guy who turned himself into a dragon. Totally different.

@totallynotagamingchannel3203

8 жыл бұрын

+Deep and Profound Topics do you know which one it is? I'm a bit confused now.

@deep_and_profound_topics

8 жыл бұрын

+Totally not a gaming channel Akatosh is the dragon God of time, he is the leader of the Aedra. Tash-Raka is one of the tiger people of the continent called Akavir who managed to turn himself into an extremely large dragon.

To all the people making corrections, the comparison is based of the empire as it appears in Skyrim, not the empire as a whole.

Roman they don't bow to elves

@Justanotherconsumer

3 жыл бұрын

Brian: Woman should curtsy, not bow. Pilate: Stwike him, Centuwion!

Actually, Morrowind is a part of the Empire. The "Argonian State" is simply Black March

@connerdale4221

7 жыл бұрын

Morrowind got invaded by the Argonians, and they won, so Morrowind is now part of the Argonian State

@evanmcmanus2222

7 жыл бұрын

+Conner Dale I think it's just Southern Morrowind that's under the Argonian control.

@connerdale4221

7 жыл бұрын

+Evan McManus Well yeah, as Northern Morrowind is uninhabitable

@evanmcmanus2222

7 жыл бұрын

+Conner Dale Oh yeah, that's why many have fled to Skyrim. The north is (mainly Vvardenfell [not sure if it's spelled correctly] and the area surrounding it) is covered in ash, the south is under Argonian control, but if I remember correctly, isn't Mournhold still under Dunmer control?

@danieldavis6288

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, Vvardenfell was a province of Morrowindbut is now technically Argonian. Mainland Morrowind they haven't been clear on the status to my knowledge, so far as I know it's only Vvardenfell that has been conquered.

Hey, I just subbed to this channel after spending some time watching a few, and a huge fan of TES and it's lore for over 10 years. I found your videos and I absolutely love love love the analysis you do. 10/10 man, keep up the amazing stuff. Even the non videogame stuff is cool. I don't think I am very picky about my subs, so thanks for the entertainment!

@metatronyt

9 жыл бұрын

David Inman Hey thyere David, thank you so much for subbing and watching my videos :D yes I am a huge fan of Bethesda's games too so many more videos like this coming :3 Welcome to the community

I really appreciate such kind of video ! Really nice 👍🏻

Brilliant video! Educational and interesting. I love both the Roman Empire and the Cyrodilic Empire. I started the Elder Scrolls games in Skyrim and was instantly drawn to the Imperials.

I hate how Skyrim jacked up the Legion's actual ranks to come up with some bs/half-assed ranks to try and make them sound Roman. The original(from Morrowind) ranks were: *Enlisted:* Recruit Spearman Trooper Agent Champion *Officer:* Knight Errant Knight Bachelor Knight Protector Knight of the Garland Knight of the Imperial Dragon Commanders of installations must be a Knight and were only called "Captain" or "General" in camps or fortresses, respectively. Both Captain and General were titles based on position not official ranks. Knight of the Imperial Dragon is the rank given to the leading Legion commander in a province, so "General" Tullius's actual rank should be Knight of the Imperial Dragon and "Legate" Rikke would be a Knight (most likely Knight of the Garland) serving as the General of the Castle Dour garrison. The original Imperial Legion had some Roman elements, but largely was its own entity which fit better in this amazing fantasy world. I hate how Bethesda has stooped so low as to just rip off (rather poorly if I might add) the Romans and call it the "Imperial Legion" now-a-days.

@olenvailla

7 жыл бұрын

Each legion of the Imperial Legion has its own ranks. Thats why the ranks are different ranks in Skyrim than MW. And also the legion thats in skyim has way more ranks than 5 you just cant obtain them in game because bethesda was lazy.

@windhelmguard5295

6 жыл бұрын

they HAD to change the ranks because of events which transpired in oblivion. for example the knight of the imperial dragon is not called that for an arbitrary reason, he is called that because he answers to the emperor who was, at the time of morrowind, dragonborn, since the line of dragonborn emperors died during the oblivion crisis, the current line of emperors are not dragons, thus calling their generals "of the imperial dragon" wouldn't make any sense.

Clearly the roman shield and sword are far superior

@metatronyt

8 жыл бұрын

***** I agree ^^

@GordonGarvey

8 жыл бұрын

***** The imperial soldiers in morrowind look a lot more like the Roman legionaries. Especially the shield.

@Criomorph

8 жыл бұрын

TheImperialSyndicate > "Wood or a weak material" > "Wood weak" > "Weak". Are you even for real? yes, of course it was made out of wood(though, sometimes the front part was plated with metal, to my understanding), but wood is good enough! For fuck's sake, the primary material that people have been making shields out of for the entirety of human civilization has been wood. Why? Because it's perfect for the job! it's light(ish), it's durable, it's easy to maintain AND if an enemy's blade actually hits it, it can get stuck in - which would prevent the enemy from using their weapon. Furthermore, the larger surface area of the Scutum makes it a considerably more protective shield - especially against arrows, javelins, slings and other ranged weapons. The Imperial shield is too small to be effectively used to protect you from ranged attacks(so it was obviously not designed around that). Furthermore, "whack your enemies with the sharp end of the shield"..."sharp end"? Have you seen how thick that thing is? Sharp has nothing to do with it! Plus, its' a shield, so it wouldn't be sharp anyway - even if it was properly proportioned. An all metal shield is not so good for singular use and in formation fighting. For one, it's considerably heavier; it also primarily depends upon deflection to protect from enemy blows(see bucklers), but in a formation, that's not really what you want to do(because what's to stop it hitting one of your friends?), a wooden shield is equally capable of deflecting enemy blows while still being light AND can be used to disable an opponents weapon(intercept it with the edge of your shield, and it will get stuck in). Heck, this is why people purposefully avoided putting metal brims on their shields for most of history - so that they can use it against an enemy's weapon. With that...there's really no difference between hitting someone with a thin metal bit and a thin wood bit - assuming that they weigh the same. The material in question won't make it bash better for some reason. All a metal brim does is make your shield a bit sturdier, less likely to splinter(though, covering it in cloth will do just the same).

@Criomorph

8 жыл бұрын

TheImperialSyndicate Yes I have, and you can do the very same thing with a Scutum. "Go straight through"...well...not unless you made your shield wafer thin and out of toilet paper. That is, pretty much, the only situation in which a sword can cut straight through shield. Nobody's going to ever make a shield that's thin enough to be cut through - not unless they're short on cash and are doing it for cosplay purposes. No, but neither is a steel one...which is just going to heat up and scald the wearer...assuming that the fireball doesn't just knock him on his arse...I fail to see your point. Plus, a steel shield is vulnerable to lightning bolts and frost(because it's conductive and metal gets cold very fast - and stays cold unless it's heated up. Wood? Not so much). Plus, mages are not something legionaries would be facing on a daily basis, in fact, mages are relatively rare in TES lore(because...you know....you can't just become a mage overnight. That takes plenty of learning and years of dedication). Also: List of wooden shields: Basically all shields ever with a few exceptions(like bucklers) The hafts of almost all polearms, maces, war hammers and axes. War clubs. Various Maori weapons(a lot of which are sharp) The Aztec Macuahuitl(sharper than any steel blade, but very brittle blade/s) Laminar armor(sometimes made with leather reinforced by wood) The Native Americans also used wooden armor(when they wore armor at all). Quarterstafs Nunchaku I think you've had enough shame for one day, smart arse!

@StarRider253

8 жыл бұрын

TheImperialSyndicate The Crimson Fucker Agreeing with Crimson here, wood is plenty fine to deflect blows. Even shields in the game skyrim are made of wood primarily with steel outlines. The iron, steel, and imperial shields (which could be considered the "most realistic") have a wooden body with metal frames and bosses.

You know, I've come to enjoy the fact that you put pleasant music at the end of your videos.

Hey man, I love your videos. Keep it up bro.

The empire used to control the entire continent.

Hmm i think i like the roman armor more because of the laminated style and how the pieces are tied together.

@metatronyt

9 жыл бұрын

RyuFireheart thank you for the comment :D it does look good doesn't it ^_^

Good Video but I was most looking forward to hearing your opinion on the sheilds!

Liking the regular uploads!

@metatronyt

9 жыл бұрын

ttttyyuuuiiiii Yes I am on fire xD xD one more video uploaded this morning and another one in upload in this very moment ahah I am glad you are happy :) and thank you for your time ^^

Tamriel isn't the only continent on Nirn.

@lizrenarts7487

8 жыл бұрын

He say it in the box.

@RJM-rc6bd

5 жыл бұрын

Akavir, Atmora, many more

I see you know a lot about Roman Empire, but not about the Tamrielic Empire. Let me explain. Cyrodiilic and Tamrielic Empires ate not the same. You talk about Tamrielic Empire and call it Cyrodiilic Empire. Cyrodiilic Empire fell before this one. Cyrodiilic Empire of Reman Cyrodiil ruled over Cyrodiil(province) and Tamrielic Empire rules over most of Tamriel(continent). The flag is similar to the Roman one, but it means something completely different. It's red and the dragon in shape of a diamond refer to the red diamond, the biggest and most important expensive rock in the amulet of kings, which is worn by the emperor with dragon fires lit to keep the barrier between Mundus and Oblivion functional. The dragon refers to the dragon fires, dragon blood of the emperor and the blades from Akavir(the dragon land). Besides that, I liked your video, although I don't see a point in comparing two different universes. Thank you for reading!

@kevinsullivan3448

6 жыл бұрын

In a way it's point out that every video game designer is a moron when it comes to weapons and armor, Meta is just to nice to say it out loud..

there is also the heavier legion helmets or rarer ones which are fully enclosed. on the subject of Imperial legion cosplay I'm actually looking at cosplaying the heavy legionary which through the begging of the research phase is what brought me to your channel. thank you for this video and the one on chain mail under roman segmented plate (sorry for not using their terminology

God, how i love this geek talks. Keep on doing this! :D

So basically the Cyrodilic Empire is a medieval (fantasy) version of the Roman Empire, right?

@raccoonking7566

7 жыл бұрын

Pretty much...

@rhagos5562

6 жыл бұрын

well if you want an actual medieval Roman Empire, then that would be the Byzantines

@HolyknightVader999

5 жыл бұрын

During Oblivion, yes. By Skyrim, they're sinking towards Dark Ages.

@WeavileLady

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, the conflict in game has MANY similarities of the fall of Rome. He should do a video of that too. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empire en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_(410) Hell you can think of the altmer as the church even

Great vid as always. Just a small correction in the amount of territory controlled. The Elder scrolls planet (Nirn) has annother sizable continent (Akavir) besides Tamriel where the games take place. There are also a few other smaller continents/islands such as Atmora and Aldmeris. As such the terrirory controlled by the Imperials may be a bit more simmilar to Imperial Rome (though like Rome, the territory of the Imperials varies a great deal over time).

@metatronyt

9 жыл бұрын

vodosvids Thank you very much for that, I have placed a note of correction ^_^

@peachyjam9440

6 жыл бұрын

Also sunken Yokuda (Left Handed Elves who lived there had an Empire four times bigger than the Cyrodyilic one so Yokuda must've been huge) And probably other unknown continents. (I don't know if Lyg is actually located on Nirn)

r videos are dam great im glad found your channel even if late

@metatronyt

9 жыл бұрын

Swol BrohamLincoln Hey I am glad you like them thank you so much I am also glad you found my channel :D

ugh your voice is so soothing

I'm curious. In the loading screens of skyrim it says that Tiber septim conquered the whole know world, is this still only talking about Tamriel or other continents as well??

@bloodypine22

7 жыл бұрын

Hunter Scott He used the map of the Cyrodiilic empire in 4E 201

@tommitchell1908

7 жыл бұрын

Hunter Scott only tamriel

@hunterscott8065

7 жыл бұрын

Tom Mitchell okay thanks guys

@MJuegaES

7 жыл бұрын

Troncoso He did, he only took credit for most of his best friend's achievements. Ysmyr, A.K.A Ysgramor.

@MJuegaES

7 жыл бұрын

Troncoso Hjalti was real. Your elven bias is not going to cloud the truth.

Wrong, the Cyroldiilic empire controlled all of Tamriel under Tiber Septim

@drFocak

8 жыл бұрын

+Gravitic the Imperator [Königreich of Albion] yet he shows the romain empire at its peek

@kevinsullivan3448

6 жыл бұрын

Dain Ironbrain (you couldn't hold Thorin's jockstrap, let alone be his cousin.) He is also compaing the weapons and armor from the peak of the Roman Empire as well, not just before the fall or Republican/pre-Repuclican eras. Nice straw man argument, though.

I liked the vid but the size of tiber septim's empire may just be europe:/ don't forget about akivir, atmora, yokuda(which jas dissapeared), the ancient altmeri continent which may exist, many islands and maybe even more. You still make awesome videos but learning just a bit more about oore would help you a ton:)

Thank you for making this, (I had to do a report of a culture of my choice and I chose Romans) and I used your information to talked about to how their armor was effective in there war efforts. Sadly it was too long to present in class, so the farthest I got was only a quieter through history. :( Note: the project was layer out like this. History. Culture. Army. Downfall.

So people have said stuff about Akaviir, but is no-one going to point out that Hammerfell and High Rock also fight for the Empire?I know that Hammerfell in the map is looked at as it's own thing, but in the great war the Redguards were some of the best fighters against the elves. It's even mentioned that a city in Hammerfell was sold out by that one girl in Whiterun.

@thearmoredidiot4828

8 жыл бұрын

justin mccoy Oh. Kay.

@Shampoo3223

8 жыл бұрын

justin mccoy who said that

@TheWittenburger

8 жыл бұрын

hichamtoons the lore.

@hankhill8146

8 жыл бұрын

***** The reason the elves got their asses kicked in Hammerfell is because the place is a desert wasteland! Difficult to live off of the land. But, those redguards seem to have adapted...

@hankhill8146

8 жыл бұрын

The war with the elves in Hammerfell took place in mostly desert areas.

well I'm not sure if for size comparision you are taking apropriate era to apropriate era - you compared the Roman empire at it's greatest with what is cyrodil emprie at the state of heading toward end - at it's greatest Cyrodil emprie have controlled all the tamriel - it have just lost alot of it's territory because of event after oblivion, and while I may be mistaken here, I had a feel that cyrodil empire was able to keep controll of these territories for quite a bit longer than roman empire did....

@akush42069

7 жыл бұрын

MehrumesDagon 1000 years

@Elipus22

7 жыл бұрын

MehrumesDagon The Empire isn't heading for its end. Skyrim will gain independence, but they will both fight the Aldmeri Dominion, which Titus Mede II has been preparing for since the end of the Great War. Same with Hammerfell. The Argonians would also want to join in the fight, as the Elves would not take kindly to their kind at all, as they worship Sithis and the Hist.

@theforestverse

2 жыл бұрын

@@Elipus22 unless Titus dies( also the empire now would control only two provinces)

13:12 - As a matter of fact, in some cases, roman legionnaires did have both arm protections in the form of manica (on the sword arm) and leg protection in the form of ocreae (greaves). It's just that they were rare and in very specific areas and dates, and thus the archaeological evidence is rather scarce. Usually atypical equipment was used in situations in which they needed to adapt their military technique to new enemy equipment (i.e. weapons like the Dacian falx). Legions (or at least part of them) had both manicas and greaves at some point during the Dacian wars of the 2nd century AD. They also added transverse iron straps to their helmets. This was done in the field, as the discovered models looked rather crude and placed over the classic helmet components, and not purposefully placed there when the helmet was made.

Fratello, do you prefer the 'Pompeii' style gladius or Maintz pattern gladius?

I wonder what would happen if both empires came in contact with each other

@matthewpettipas8233

6 жыл бұрын

Haha that would be interesting, maybe the new Elder scrolls game could be about how Nirn fuses into real life earth at the time of Rome, and how the two empires fight each other for supremacy.

@herrakaarme

6 жыл бұрын

One has magic, one doesn't. What do you think would happen?

@Felahliir

6 жыл бұрын

Not to mention they have potins and stronger materials.

I want to point out that in the map control section you talked about the peak of the Roman Empire, but not the peak of the Cryodillic Empire. At the peak of the Cryodillic it controlled all of Tamriel. Also in the time period you did mention with the Cryodillic Empire you said they only control Cyrodiil and Skyrim, but High rock is a province of the Empire as well during this period.

I would like to see an hear of your opinion about all of the other armours from both oblivion an skyrim that you didn't mention like the dragonplate armour, dragon scale, the armour of the knights of the nine, the crusader armour, imperial city watch. basically every armour that you can either make, buy or given from quests from both games. PS I love all of the videos about arms and armour from games and from history keep up the good work an its two thumbs up from me.

I prefer the look of the Cyrodilic armor to the Roman (especially the heavy armor) I feel the heavy Imperial looks more protective around the arms and legs and it also appears to have thicker metal to protect the upper body. And I also like the Cyrodilic swords more, partially because the hand guard and the width variation in the blade gives it a cool stylized look.

I have to say, cyrodiilic boots are steel shin or leather, in roman I only see sandals, does roman have better footwear?

@metatronyt

8 жыл бұрын

+kurt gomez Centurions had metal grieves, normal soldiers didn't, but that's because the scutum and the formations took care of the legs, there was no need for shin protection in tight Roman formation

@tylerkane5603

8 жыл бұрын

+kurt gomez Romans didn't need footwear either well i mean good ones they were either sandals like you see in movies or full leather that wrapped around when they go into Britannia and Gaul or Germania and mostly sandals in Spain,Italy,Greece,and Egypt and turkey and all of Africa well parts they were been to. and to Metatron its cool to see another Roman geek online :P

@metatronyt

8 жыл бұрын

tyler kane :D

@syndicatepenguin8420

8 жыл бұрын

+tyler kane oh I see thanks for the information :)

@jamesblake9442

8 жыл бұрын

Basically what everybody else is saying but using sandals makes it easier on the feet and metal greaves are going to be a lot heavier making marching harder and probably taking longer times because it would be harder on the feet and weigh the soldier down

didnt the imperials hold all of tamirel at its height

@chstens

3 жыл бұрын

Five years late, but yes. The Septim Empire, the third empire to come out of Cyrodiil, did control the entire continent, from the summerset isles to morrowind.

@alexsitaras6508

3 жыл бұрын

@@chstens Thank you nonetheless.

If you still have the mod, could you send me the link to the roman armour mod? I have seen one before, but it did not have the armour from the picture in the ending.

About time to make a video like this.

The Roman Empire was not filled by cowards who turned their back on their God and people like the Cyrodilic empire did..... go Stormcloaks.

@DasJiggly

7 жыл бұрын

The cyrodilic empire is not filled with dumb fanatics that turn their back on their own highking that trusted them. Some stupid Stormcloak did, damaging an already weakened Skyrim even more, pretending to help ... go empire

@AUTOBOTGJB1997

7 жыл бұрын

The High King was beaten in single combat by a man who fought for the Empire only to have it turn its back on him.

@DasJiggly

7 жыл бұрын

and that man was ulfric stormcloak :)

@AUTOBOTGJB1997

7 жыл бұрын

We're going to end up starting the civil war again lol

@minerva9104

7 жыл бұрын

But the roman empire did do that, to an even greater extent with constantine

I prefer more heavy "medieval" style. Legioners from "Morrowind" remind me Romans more. img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130625195823/elderscrolls/images/5/50/ImpLegionMorro.jpg bethesda-games.com/uploads/posts/2015-04/1429275707_morrowind-imperial-legion.jpg

@metatronyt

9 жыл бұрын

Butt Hurt OMG that's so nostalgic I need to get Morrowind again :D

@butthurt3297

9 жыл бұрын

Metatron You need at least hi-res textures mods for morriwind.

I love your Channel Metatron! If yuo want, i can help you translate some videos to polish language - subtitles. Think about that! Greetings from Poland!

Mr. Meta sir, do you think it would be possible for there to be a video In the near future about fallout new Vegas's Caesar's Legion?

@metatronyt

8 жыл бұрын

+redbaron5247 I'll have to have a look at that as I have no clue what that is xD I mean I know fall out but I have only played Fall out 3 :D I will have a look and if the content is eligible for my channel I will :3 Thank you for watchign and commenting, I appreciate

@Metatron can you do a video only compare the Cyrodillic Empire at its peak where it fully controlled Tamriel under the Septim line of emperors, and when they also controlled the 3 island nations to the west, and there invasion of Akavir?

@SlentzNation

6 жыл бұрын

I forgot to metion Yakouda, Atmora, Thras, Aldmeris, and Pyandonea. Also the 3 Islands I metioned previously are Esroniet, Ynslea, and Cathnoquey.

@SlentzNation

6 жыл бұрын

This is a full map of Nirn (The planet in which all the games take place). goo.gl/images/Z1zziR

how come in that vid about historically accurate armors in skyrim and oblivion, you skipped over oblivions chain mail armor and skyrims dragon bone armor? I realize the dragonbone armor dosent exactly have a historical equivalent, still I was looking to hear your analysis of those two armors. What did you think of dragon bone? or do you always use daedric cause of comparable protection but its lighter? and what about bonemold, stalrhim, and netch armors?

@Metatron if using skyrim legion why didnt you also examine the imperial officer's helmet(can somewhat see why because it's similar to the regular heavy helm but still would like your opinion on the metal crest) and the legion closed helmet? The closed helmet is EPIC looking plus provides much more protection(realistically and ingame compared to the other 2 helmets)

Auxiliary isnt the actual rank at which all legionaries from Cyrodiil begin. It actually means the same as in a roman legion: locally recruited troops, which is what the Empire is doing in Skyrim, and the Dragonborn is one of those locals

Great video, but you compared the Cyrodiilic Empire during the events of Skyrim to the Roman Empire at their height. I think it would be more fair to compare both empires at their height, when Cyrodiil controlled all of Tamriel.

I would like to point out that in skyrim you're joining under local recruitment, which is technically an auxiliary enlistment.

Piercing or screwed​ to stabbing weapon like the Pugio dagger is shorter and can be laced with posions.

what about the covered face imperial helmet at the talos shrine above froki shack it is used by the empire but is mainly for cyridol forces.

I love how the empire in tamriel takes after the Roman Empire

The Similarities can depend on which side you pick, you can join the Legion and garrison forts which then become basically what you describe in 5:34

love it please do one for morrowind

Always thought the Imperical color on the flag was the mix between the SPQR red and Emperors purple, giving that "faded" red colour. As for armor, I'd prefer the heavy Skyrim, but shield and weaponry, i'd take the romans anyday. As usual, enjoyed watching this. And thank any god, Elder Scrolls, romans or whichever for mods!

@metatronyt

9 жыл бұрын

Kar4ever3 Thank you very much for watching :D

Liked your video, but I noticed a small issue. During its heyday, the Empire of Tamriel (think "Tiber Septim") controlled all the land of Tamriel, hence the official name.

0:55 also wanna point out an interesting similarity that both are symbols of their pantheon’s most powerful god, with the Eagle representing Jupiter and the Dragon representing Akatosh

I really liked this video, there is a mod on the Nexus that remodels the imperial sword making it more like a roman sword.

The mod IS fantastic :) I play with it installed pretty much all the Time when playing with my imperial Character, not lore friendly but I just love it :)

Those are design choices i didnt think about in the explanation before yes the armor has details linked to the region yet i compare Cyrodil to Norwegian habits the facial appearances are angelic jawlines

The Imperial Sword in Skyrim has a design resembling a ricasso. Though it doesn't resemble how an actual ricasso would have functioned (allowing the index finger to grip above the quillon for greater torque), I can see how it would have been useful. It looks to be more for deflecting than parrying, as it has that curve that accentuates at the quillon. It would probably have been useful for possibly even disarming if the positioning was right.

If you analyzed the Roman empire at its height, it would only be fair to analyze Cyrodil's empire at its height, which came to dominate all of Tamriel. In any case, I understand that you did an analysis exclusively of the empire in Skyrim and I congratulate you for your work. I hope that in the future you will make one in comparison to other Elder Scrolls games.

I'd like to dispute one of your statements upon amount of land controlled, because if we consider that there are multiple land masses on nirn and tamriel is only one of them, we realize their reach is smaller than previously thought.

Bit of an odd question but what is a metatron ( sorry if miss spelled )

@metatronyt

9 жыл бұрын

MC Gibbs ahah nice question xD The Metatron is an angel from the Judeo/christian faith. It's my favourite angel so I named my channel after him, also because he is op (according to the lore he has 72 wings ;) ) Metatron is basically God's secretary. I will make a video about him eventually also explaining more in detail why I named my channel after him and all but when my channel will be bigger :)

Oh I miss the Megatron. I was looking at Skyrim stuff. I know it's 2019. Hope your well.

I like both. I sensed a lot of parallels between the Cyrodilic Empire and the post fall of Rome East Roman Empire (Byzantium).

One thing I noticed, at least on the remastered version, was there's what looks like a mail hauberk underneath the Imperial heavy armor.

Hey Metatron, probably you already know by this time, but on the ES lore, the "Cyrodilic" Empire, was actually the Tamriellic Empire. On the beggining of the third era, Tiber Septim, or Talos (as you may have heard a lot about on the game) conquered all of the continent, in many ways like the Romans. Both by the sword and the diplomacy, in some cases certain countries had some sort of independance. And this empire on Skyrim, is a decadent one, where due to the previous game most of the Empire were fragmentated and the countries got their independance, only High Rock and Skyrim are subjects to the Empire at this time. The irony, is that the previous game, Oblivion, which is based on Cyrodill, has it's legion very different fom a Roman one. And the land os mostly medieval based.

It looks like the Cyrodilic looks like it was slightly involving into a medieval-style armor. BTW, were the Imperials wearing pants? Cause I know that during the Roman era, pants were highly synonymous with barbarians like the Celtics, Visigoths, Vandals, and the Ambronies(sp?).

Do you finish the videos saying "The Metraton has spread his wings"?

The upper arm has a layer of chainmail underneath as armor protection that's why the shoulder armor doesn't extend further down

The Imperial medium armor is a gambeson multiple layered Fabrics with a hardened leather outer layer and chainmail over the collar and shoulders

OK i cant believe i havent found a single comment asking for the ending music that stuff is dope

You are basically my favorite KZreadr now what I first saw a picture of you online I have to admit I judge you too quickly I thought you were some pale Gothic guy wearing armor and I apologize for that

Hard to say which one is better because as many people say the Empire in Skyrim is not at its highest, but still the Cyrodillic empire at that time had armour the is more of a mixture of Roman and Medieval armour and weapons as their main shield is either a round shield or a triangle one. Also more plated armour that cover most of the body and not just the main mass. Mostly fantasy combination yet still a great one indeed.

I thought the fuller was to strengthen the blade along its length? I know it's mistaken sometimes as a "blood-groove" but the fact you bring up weight savings makes sense... due to battles being lengthy in time, weight savings would yield higher stamina over time. Now I will look at Fuller's as weight and strength attributes.

Do you think the imperial guard of the Cyrodilic Empire - Penitus Oculatus, has similarities with the Praetorian Guard?

Great video but If you want to compare the Cyrodilic Empire and the Roman Empire you should do it at both of their peaks because more than one point the Empire controller all of Tamriel

Hey Metatron I just wanted to tell you that Tamriel (the map you showed us) is not the entire world of the elder scrolls, it's just one continent. there are other continents such as Atmora, Akavir, Pyandonea and possibly a couple others like Aldmeris or Thras. Not to mention the sunken continent: Yokuda. Also I thought the Empire covered more than just Skyrim and Cyrodiil, doesn't it also cover high rock and Morrowind? I know that it has covered the entirety of Tamriel previously but the Aldmeri dominion and Hammerfall leaving changed that.

@Elipus22

7 жыл бұрын

Plattfisken After the Red Mountain erupted in 4E 5 the Empire of Tamriel Empire withdrew its Legions, meaning they no longer claimed it. Altmer formed the Aldmeri Dominion with the Bosmer and the Thalmor ran the show. The moon's disappeared for two years, endangering the Khajiit, as their birth requires the moons. When they came back, the Thalmor claimed responsibility for their reappearance, and the two states of Elswyr joined the Aldmeri Dominion. Argonians were like FTS I'm out. Great war happens in 4E 171-175 had the White-Gold Concordat signed, giving parts of Hammerfell to the Dominion. Titus Mede II told his Redguard legionaries to return home, and that they were not citizens of the Empire, and they joined the fighting at home, pushing the Elves out. That just leaves Highrock, Skyrim, and Cyrodiil as part of the Cyrodiilic Empire.

@denogowli

7 жыл бұрын

Brandon Haffeman yeah but it's still more than he showed in the video.

As far as the Cyrodiilic heavy armor and lorica segmentata comparison is concerned, I think I'd rather wear the lorica segmentata as the Cyrodiilic armor looks like it's made of pretty thick pieces of steel and probably far heavier than I'd care to wear for long periods of time.

Percentage of relative map control? I mean, "known world" that you showed wasn't even 50% of the civilized world at that point. So, considering that, won't the area percentages also be similar?

I downloaded a couple of mods that changes the idle and combat animations. The animations look more realistic, and the mod adds thrusting to combat. Another, totally different topic. The empire in the elder scrolls series. Controlled all of Tameriel at its peak. What we see in Skyrim is basically the beginning of the end of the empire. Even in a fantasy world, empires are destined to fall.

I like the way the roman armor looks better, especially the swords and shields. By the way, has anyone told you your voice sounds kind of like the actor who played the part of Clavicus Vile?

Would it be fair to compare a Praefect to a Praetorian? I know rank wise not so much, but in terminology?

In future, if you need to circle an area of a map you can use the pen tool from illustrator if you have it. There is a trial version but it only lasts 7 days. Gimp is a free program that might have a similar tool. Alternatively you can probably download a circle 'object' with transparency that you could overlay on a map. Gimp should have the tools needed to adjust and overlay this image on a map. I have to say it always bugged me how the camps were done so anyone could freely walk in. If there isn't one, we need a mod that makes the camps fortified.

Its a shame I only found this vídeo 6 years later.

I knew exactly what to expect when I clicked this video.

I think the music at the end is not Darude - Sandstorm?

@totallynotagamingchannel3203

8 жыл бұрын

No, it's darude-theelderscrollsstorm