The Ed White went up in price to $15,400.00. Hand assembled (two-fold assembly like Lange) and a much sought-after movement--it is still well worth the money.

I would choose the speedmaster based solely on that lemania movement. That movement is beautiful on the VC Corne de Vache, it is also beautiful in the Ed white Speedmaster.

Omega all day, they may have endless special and limited editions but this one feels truly unique and faithful to the original

Wonderful review! You did more than justice to both these watches! 👌

I owned the Daytona and currently own the 321. Both are great watches but the 321 feels more special. Just being able to have a look at that movement makes you feel it is something else. If you love watches, the 321 is the one for you, if you love to show off, go for the Daytona.

Against a regular Speedy pro the Daytona has a chance… against the Ed White 321 is doesn’t.

@muds1123

9 ай бұрын

What nonsense 😂

@986C

6 ай бұрын

Agreed. This is an amazing piece. I own both and the 321 would be the choice of the two.

@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available

5 ай бұрын

​@@muds1123No, I think he's right

Great video. More VS, please. IWC 41 fliegerchrono vs Breitling Navitimer or AVI.

Ed White + BLNR = My life is complete :)

Can’t ignore sub 12mm thickness of The Daytona, vs 14mm for the Speedmaster.

Tim talked about the Daytona being a tougher movement. I don't disagree on principle, because the 4130 definitely pacts more and newer tech, but also don't forget that 321 is still one of the only few movements that passed NASA's gruelling tests in shock, high/low temp, vibration, vacuum, water/humidity resistant, anti-magnetic (although the new 321 removed the anti-magnetic case in favor of a display caseback), etc, and saved human lives during the Apollo 13 mission. So if you want a watch that has actually been certified by a national lab for toughness, the 321 is the right one for you.

@highnrising

9 ай бұрын

I think that NASA testing was largely promotional. If wristwatches were necessary to the missions, NASA would have spec'ed them out for legibility and ease of use--in addition to toughness--and they would have had them custom made--like all the components they use. They would not have bought relatively cheap watches that anyone could buy at a jewelry store. I'd trust a test from a modern lab that fully discloses its procedures and results over some legendary NASA testing from decades ago.

@mlogicli

9 ай бұрын

@@highnrising Many misunderstanding here. Watch was a mission critical equipment (see what happened with Apollo 13). NASA did give out specs and asked vendors to supply samples for testing, like any government procurement process. NASA's tests procedures and results were well documented. If you search around you could find sources to these claims. The Speedmaster Wikipedia article includes many reliable sources.

@ALL-il1sw

9 ай бұрын

​​​@@highnrisingRolex doesn't disclose how they test their watches, METAS do though. Edit: I realise the 321 is not METAS certified, I'm just making the point on who is transparent

@fj7509

2 ай бұрын

lol the Speedmaster was NASA tested and still failed on 2 moon landings

I prefer the Speedmaster aesthetic here, specs be damned. That said, I’d rather have a Zenith Chronomaster Revival or Original over either of these. Even better proportions, stunning watches and you get an even better pre owned bang for the buck.

@pkasimis

6 ай бұрын

Zenith Forever !!!

The ongoing comparison/battle between Rolex and Omega will never stop. In terms of value for your money, the omega speedmaster will win any day. I'm not talking about resell grey market value of a Daytona. for sub 10k you get high quality finish, heritage, reliable caliber, and open case back, no wonder Omega keeps raising their prices.

@msbrownbeast

3 ай бұрын

You will not get a 321 for less than $10K

Hey tim nice review want to see one video comparision with this omega 321 movement compare with Patek chronograph movement

Tough choice if I had the money I would pick the Ed White because... It's hand built/hand assembled. That puts the Ed White in haute horology territory. Unlike a Daytona, some of it's components are machine assembled. So in a way you are really paying in part for the manual labor of a master watch maker. At a fraction of the cost for some other Haute Horology brand that builds/assembles it's watches by hand. It has Sedna gold movement parts, the Daytona does not. It's the legendary 312 re-imaged movement with modern engineering improvements. Other than the Zenith El Primero, enthusiasts and non enthusiast know what a 312 movement means. When was the last time you heard non-Rolex or Rolex guys talk about Daytona movements? The Ed White is roughly the same retail price as a Daytona. You can get the Ed White waaaaay before you can get a Daytona at an AD. Ask yourself, does Rolex offer a 1969 Daytona reissue that anyone can buy? NO, of course you cannot. Rolex will never do this, and if they ever did. None of us will ever be offered one. The Ed White comes with an open case back. The 312 movement is classic, traditional, and beautiful movement to look at. It's a sleeper, you won't get robbed for an Ed White. You will not get unwanted attention, or looked at as some douchebag that likes to flex. The better watch is the Ed White for the money, and time you are going to wait for one IMO is the better purchase choice. It's more special (for the price), it's wearable, and it's for enthusiasts that know the history of the watch. MOST Daytona owners cannot tell you much about the movement, or the history of Rolex. Sure the Daytona is a very close second choice. It's technically a tougher watch, better bracelet, with a greater power reserve, more water resistance, and it's COSC. The Daytona $$$ value is there if you buy at retail and truly need to sell the watch in the future. Both of these watches are for people that already own watches and collect them. These are not for first time buyers, or only one watch for everyday use. These are more for enthusiast more so for the Ed White. If you just want a watch get the Daytona (good luck with that). If you love watches and collect them. Get both if you can, and enjoy. It will be easier to get the Ed White for sure. If you're a purist get the Ed White. You can always get a Daytona if you are willing to pay more than retail.

You can get these all day for low 30s with a white dial right now. Watchbox is extremely expensive, but they also have to pay Tim😂

@JackoWillMakeLives-loveu

9 ай бұрын

lol $30K for these is laughable. A fool and his money are soon parted

@shaqfufu8908

9 ай бұрын

agreed 30k for mass produced stainless steel watch is comedy @@JackoWillMakeLives-loveu

@songoku-jx3cb

9 ай бұрын

@@JackoWillMakeLives-loveukeep coping 😂

Good balanced review thank you. I am a Daytona fan

I have a PM Daytona, but just bit the bullet and bought a 321 grey market, for $4k over list. I love the movement and that its manual (also have 5070 with similar movement).

Speedy 321 all day! There’s a reason why early astronauts during the Mercury and Gemini program chose this timepiece for space exploration!

Onega all day everyday. The Lemania is gorgeous!

The speedy my daily, Daytona for weekends. I want both

That “Pooping in diapers” line had me rolling 🤣🤣

$40,000?? Absolutely not. It trades for $30,000 max today.

By EVERY metric the Speedy is the better watch. It's precision is simply out of this world. My Speedmaster Professional Sapphire Sandwich 3861 is exactly ONE second late every EIGHT WEEKS. And though the Omega is bigger than the Rolex it's much more comfortable on the wrist. On top of things the Omega is not only cheaper than the Rolex but it's AVAILABLE at your local AD. Stating the obvious: The ONLY Problem with the Omega is that it's not a Rolex. But that doesn't change the undeniable FACT that the OMEGA is the better watch.

My Speedy arrived next week. Pretty stoked.

Saw the Ed White in person. The case width to thickness ratio is waaay off. Doesn't look good at all. Daytona all day if you can get one.

Is this a video from 2018 ?

Ed White all day.

daytona for me. having screwed down pushers are a must.

@pkasimis

6 ай бұрын

Who the hell is actually going swimming with a chrono

@cpcxgsr

6 ай бұрын

@@pkasimis plenty of people

I would save up a bit longer and get a Berneron Mirage over either.

id take the 321

Vs is back😎

Rolex daytona or Omega 321 if you see closely the instant change chronograph minutes hand doesnt snap from one position to other like Alange and Patek In Patek & Lange its snap like a blink of an eye that i love most about Alange and Patek chronographs

My goodness the 321 Speedmaster is breathtaking.

Just a funny fact : just like 99.9% videos of Speedmaster, (in here also) speedmaster big seconds hand is running - In reality its almost never running unless youre timing something with chrono.

Im blessed to have both. I just picked up the Ed White along with the Sea Master James Bond 60th Anniversary edition last week. What I will say is that they are two very distinctly different time pieces and wear very differently on the wrist. I enjoy them both for different reasons. I wear the rolex when Im in a room and need a conversation piece..such as the office. I will wear Ed White's edition when I am at watches and coffee meet ups. To me, the 321 says "If you know, you know!" where as the Daytona says , "hey look what I got!"

@jamessymington2466

7 ай бұрын

That is the problem with Rolex generally and why I have sold mine.

Always surprised when Tim stumbles on simple things like price. The MSRP and the secondary prices for the 321 specifically. Assuming this was filmed recently - neither price he highlights is accurate/true.

Dont know about the Datograph but the caliber 321 is not as precise as 4130, FP1185 or Patek CH29-535. Its just more special

Dude…Lotion!!

I‘m really a fan of Tim but I need to disagree with him on a few things here (I‘m aware no one cares but still): 1) I’m waiting to hold the 126500 in my hands, but I expect it to be quite different (both thinner ans bigger). I hope I‘m wrong and Rolex didn‘t mess up the proportions just like PP did with the 5811. Regardless of that, the chubbier, cut-off lugs similar to the 116505/506/509, etc are a downgrade for me. 2) The 116500 is quite different from the 16520, a comparison to the 116520 would have been more interesting, particularly the later ones. 3) The 116500 is better suited for smaller wrists than the Ed White as it definitely wears smaller. If my memory serves me correctly, because of its long straight lugs the 39.7mm Ed White also wears bigger than the 42mm Speedy Pro (certainly the 3861 where the bracelet doesn‘t flare out).

It’s so hard even with the hype to deny that panda dial. It’s so elegant!

@986C

6 ай бұрын

It’s not a panda.

I got to have that panda Daytona love it bad

So, a regular speedy pro, for 5k used versus 30k used for a Daytona. Regular speedy pro is way more robust and accurate than Daytona. Daytona was the failed offering, only recently became a flex. Pay your money, make your choice.

@gregmasters8558

6 ай бұрын

Tf you taking about. That speedy Ed white goes for 17k on ebay.

Discount the hyped prices for a moment, it’s the Speedy all day long. I’d even have the 3861 ahead of the Daytona (if it wasn’t for the fact the Daytona is worth silly money) The trouble with the Rolex is that it’s just too blingy and garish imho.

I disagree that it takes about a year to get from Omega. Maybe for people with substantial purchase history which is the first price of admission to even be considered….

@gazz501

9 ай бұрын

Took me about 18 months to my Ed White, though I will admit I had already bought a boutique edition Seamaster, which is not a substantial purchase history, so who knows? I have a relationship with the Omega AD and maybe my existing collection carried some weight. Bear in mind that if you don't have any history with an AD they have every reason to suspect you will simply flip the watch.

@xekret

9 ай бұрын

@@gazz501 Congrats! My mistake was that I tried to leverage my friendship with the old AD manager and perhaps not have to wait as long. I do have purchase history since I bought a Seamaster and several accessories.

@gazz501

9 ай бұрын

I suspect that some ADs get preferential treatment. Major ciy stores, lots of high end sales, managers with contacts at Omega in Switzerland. My AD had a tourbillon in stock because they had sold one previously. This is as high end as Omega gets so sales of this watch will be rewarded. My 2Cs.

@xekret

9 ай бұрын

@@gazz501 I’m definitely not buying a tourbillon! On the other hand, it seems my odds of getting a Snoopy have improved. A friend of mine which we have similar “purchase history” has been told to be ready. I think once and if I get a Snoopy, the Ed White seems like the next step. Cheers!

speedmaster looks superb, but daytona looks perfect. no comparison in terms of looks there

I`l choose Patek 5270😁

If both from the list price 116500, market price i’ll take the 321… Daytona doesnt worth 30k usd

Speedy without any doubt but with milanese bracelet

Omega. easy decision. Better watch all around.

strong tool watch vibes with the speedy, and that's OK

You buy the Rolex if you want the brand cache and robust modern watch. You buy that Omega if you want a unique Speedmaster. Most people buying that Ed White Speedy probably already have a Speedmaster Professional.

Daytona looks more harmonious

So... NASCAR vs NASA. If money were no object, I guess I could tolerate the Daytona, but only because the ACTUAL Speedy I will buy will be a 3861 SS, for its completely modern take on the tech, whilst looking and wearing better than the Ed. The Daytona would likely sit in its box, and the Speedy I'd wear.

the 'cosmograph' daytona is rolex's biggest marketing fail to date. #changemymind

321 all day

Go easy on the camera shake

Omega pass the NASA test

The right answer is Bulova lunar pilot don't @me

I love the Speedy so much BUT the Daytona remains the ICON of the KING.

321 is for collection. Daytona is for wear.. Daytona can be daily watch. Daytona robustness is many steps above 321. Just take the bracelet for example, in house for Daytona, 321 bracelet I highly suspect is outsource from PRC.

Why would a watch that uses a 3hz beat frequency have a seconds track that is subdivided into 5 sections? It makes no sense.

@highnrising

9 ай бұрын

A 3hz beat rate is 6 beats per second. Obviously, the fractional sections are rough estimates. The user's brain and hands and the watch's mechanics all have lags in response time.

@robertposteschild2353

9 ай бұрын

@@highnrising Why would you deliberately choose to be inaccurate when you can have an exact measurement just as easily? Lag isn't an excuse, you might as well not have the seconds subdivided in that case. No idea why you're defending such sloppy design in watches that cost tens of thousands.

@highnrising

9 ай бұрын

@@robertposteschild2353 Hard to tell what you're talking about when you say that "you can have an exact measurement." You can have an "exact" measurement--to about half a second. A mechanical watch with pushers and springs does not measure more precisely than that. If you want to pretend it does, you're just playing games. You can spend $100,000 on a Patek Philippe perp calendar chronograph and that's still the case. If you seriously need to measure smaller time intervals than half a second, then go buy an instrument that's designed to do that.

@robertposteschild2353

9 ай бұрын

@@highnrising If you can't even measure to more than half a second then there's no point subdiving the seconds track anyway. Either way, diving the seconds track into 5 segments makes no sense.

@highnrising

9 ай бұрын

@@robertposteschild2353 It makes a lot of sensse. Purchasers of chronographs like seeing the fractions of a second marked. It gives an aura of precision. Without using a loupe, few buyers could even tell how many hash marks there are between the seconds marks, anyway.

no one would buy a daytona if there is no rolex printed on its dial

321

You want to compare chrono Throw in the breguet type xx transatlantique

@andrewjenkins3858

9 ай бұрын

Haute horology AP and PP quality for fraction of the price

Speedmaster Racing is better than both

@bdg5593

9 ай бұрын

but tooooo big

@roycedot

9 ай бұрын

The 44mm? Thick as hell. The 39.7mm is a bargain but is also thick compared to the width (owned one)

Ed White is for watch passion, Daytona is for showoff. Ed White all the way.

Why are you saying you can get on a waiting list for the 321? It is no longer available in steel, The only ones currently available are platinum and white gold and they are unicorns

Ed white for me even though the WR of the Daytona makes it much more durable

Speedmaster Silver Snoopy over both. Not a Rolex fan but would pick the Daytona over the Ed White at retail. The 321 is 60 year old technology for 2023 brand new prices. A vintage 321 costs $5k less and will have more character. Of course getting a Daytona at retail is near impossible.

Stale and boring but what do you expect from Rolex and Omega?

The Daytona is and always will be the King 👑. Anyone picking a speedy over a Daytona is only doing so cause of the cost on the grey and they can't get one from the AD.

A sports watch can't have 5 BAR WR, this is no contest for the Daytona.

@waterfordrs22

9 ай бұрын

That’s a worn out cliche. They are chronographs predominantly used for timing sporting events. The WR is a non issue, it’s simply long been proven.

@vijaymehra1101

9 ай бұрын

its an issue when you have to take off your watch to go swimming, shower, or remove at the beach, or wash your hands, its a non starter for me. No one uses a Tachymeter to time sports cars. Its really just lazy to not have a screw down crown.@@waterfordrs22

@pkasimis

6 ай бұрын

Only a jerkoff swims in a chronograph

One watch is so boring I don't wanna buy, the other one is so boring and I can't buy....win win situation! WOOOO!

@jonathanstamp

9 ай бұрын

Which is which??

Seiko Pogue beats both

The Rolex just looks "The Money". No MoonSwatch look alike please.

Pretty biased review. And I own a Daytona.

You NEED try on the Speedy before buying..can’t stress that enough. I purchased both and as much as I wanted to keep the Omega I just couldn’t live with that bracelet. Yes, I tried the Speedy with other straps but then wore strange and top heavy without the weight of the bracelet. Again, I tried but it felt not as solid and not as robust as the Daytona. My two cents.

Omega's awful bracelet and unbearable thickness drove me away from the brand. Although the 321's got a legendary movement and rich history, the daytona is the clear winner in this battle.

@brianpalay2

9 ай бұрын

I can't buy a Speedy or Seamaster Diver 300M because of the bracelet designs. I just don't like them.

Omega fans are like republicans

Regardless of the hype, there’s just no getting past the fact the Daytona is an ugly watch. The speedmaster is just a beautiful and timeless design.

Speedmaster completely overrated , NASA…who cares. Omega killed their own brand with the copious amounts of limited editions and silly 007 branded watches, just stupid. That Daytona wins hands down, though prefer the black dial SS Daytona.

sorry the Daytona looks like kids flashy toy compared to the ed white. a proper horology, stylish unassuming, only for those who know with with one of the best looking movement . high horology in most iconic case. no look at me type of effect and you defiantly won't find yourself in a room full of them. much rearer as well. much much. for true horology enthusiasts. had them both, sold the ceramic daytona, got a zenith. every clown has the ceramic daytona, it became such an obnoxious watch, can't stand it. its not even that nice, kinda hated it on my wrist.