Dude this is what I've been saying for years. We need battery standardization. Then you can have battery hot swap stations

I think you're not explaining everything about the process. I would imagine that any EV would have to be modified to use this system of battery swooping. Additionally, does the modification change the EV's ability to use the current charging methods?

@damatar

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, unfortunately the video plays more like an ad than an tech article asking tough questions

@HaiLeQuang

Жыл бұрын

So I need to modify my EV to be able to swap??? But it said, the process fit with any EV on the market?

@stephenclay6852

Жыл бұрын

Looking at the video with the Kia E niro you can’t remove a section of the battery as shown. It would have to be modified. My fear is on your new Ev how old is the battery your changing to.

@bryannorris8049

Жыл бұрын

I presume this would need to be standardized to be broadly useful. That probably raises a nightmare of who owns the batteries. Batteries don't last forever, but that could theoretically be baked into the cost. If it is baked in, then that would make long term ownership much more attractive. However, what happens if there is battery damage outside of normal wear and tear? Recent reporting has said that minor accidents can cause battery damage expensive enough to total the vehicle. Is Ample insuring the batteries or does the customer's insurance/the customer have to figure it out?

@eschrader

Жыл бұрын

Yea the guy says the car has to he fitted with their battery holder. Which I would assume would mean giving up your OEM battery or having them sell it for you (tho in CA you can request your car parts back). Then my guess is a monthly membership or something to keep you coming back and probably a $50-$100 per swap fee (similar to a gas fill up). Just my guess

Unlikely that manufacturers will adopt a standard battery configuration or warranty swapped in batteries. Seems fine for delivery trucks and similar commercial applications.

@tonystorcke

5 ай бұрын

They don't have to adopt it. their system permanently installs their own compatible battery bay. So you lose your original; battery, but you gain a future of easy battery swaps.

Beats having to spend an arm and a leg to replace the battery. Modular Cars.

@juanmacias5922

Жыл бұрын

That's a good point would be great in longevity, to swap out the battery when the chemistry in yours is dead.

@xsuploader

Жыл бұрын

@@juanmacias5922 and thats exactly why this will never be economically viable. People will abuse it we should be focusing on faster charging not this crap.

@juanmacias5922

Жыл бұрын

@@xsuploader that's not entirely true, there are many simple ways to have you charged if you were to drop off a battery at it's end of it's life span, I'm just agreeing that we need more modular vehicles.

@prodantech

Жыл бұрын

$10k for a new battery that gets you another 500k miles is hardly and arm and a leg. That’s about the cheapest dollar per mile ever.

@juanmacias5922

Жыл бұрын

@@prodantech I don't think $10k is cheap, specially when you can buy a beater for $2k-$4k and automakers don't make it simple enough for a regular civilian to change it, but I will say that is the typical life of a gas powered car lol But that's taking account the batteries lasting 500k, and by quick searches on any car forum you'd find many Leaf with dying batteries, so idk.

While Nio has already built 1500 swapping stations worldwide..

@xiphoid2011

3 ай бұрын

And going bankrupt. The whole battery swapping idea is financially not viable. Whoever thought of it didn't do even basic financial analysis.

Nio has already done this at scale.

I have made drawings and been pushing for this method of LARGE EV power solution for over 3 years now. Glad to see it's finally being realized as a practical solution. This way SMALLER LIGHTER short-range batteries can be used. Increasing vehicle mobility and needs for an extra heavy-duty frame. Very logical to "fill up/replace" the battery instead of relying on a single HUGE BATTERY that must have power for extended range. That is also more dangerous and flammable as the size and weight increases.

Why does the host look like Linus Sebastian

Replaceable phones batteries can be like this. Power bank like cassette tape where you insert batteries to charge.

Those battery swap stations looks expensive. The battery modules taken out look pretty small so the cars don’t seem to have much range. The question is can they charge it like normal when they are not near a battery swap station?

I love the idea, but it will never go mainstream especially if the battery is a structural component to the frame plus almost every ev has a unique battery container or has some kind of metal shielding for the battery .

Thanks for the update. Lots of questions still - like how much will the conversion to a Ample battery cost? How much does the actual swap cost? What aH rating is the Ample battery? Does the conversion still allow normal charging also - or only swapping? Glad to see innovation is continuing, I will continue to monitor the situation. The battery range and charging are the biggest hinderance to going fully electric.

@laurencerucker2585

7 ай бұрын

YES the cost of doing a swap will be the thing that makes this fail or succeed ... They are going to charge you for the changing of the battery being put into the car and then for the removal and replacement ... how much extra will people pay to 'recharge' faster?

Sorry but we have this system up and running in Germany. The company is called NIO.

I see big issues here... batteries have a "Cycle" life as in how many times you can discharge/charge them. Someone can bring their 34 month old battery in, get a newer one for the cost of a charge yet their battery is close to the recommended 3 year swap out point.. What would be more ideal is having this be a super fast and sealed charging station where your battery is removed from car, moved to a sealed protected and chilled charging area, rapid charged, then put back into the car. Even if it took 15 minutes which would be WAY fast for the car it would be acceptable.. Course what places like hotels and parking garages should do is set up robotic parking of charged cars. Person parks, gives the spot # and says I need to charge the car. a robotic attendant (or even a human one - job creation?) moves the car to a charging station and plugs it in and while it is charging, moves a charged car in the next slot (have 4-6 charging stations to a parking spot and text the owner that its charged and returned to its spot.

@ajjukota8096

8 ай бұрын

Wow

CNET pretending NIO doesn't exist.

Fantastic . Yes

This would make sense as an add-on to an existing car's primary battery unit, like in the trunk. I just don't see how every EV maker will want to give away their power, no pun intended.

❤ it's a about Time it Happens

I like this, and induction/wireless charging.

I don’t see this as an alternate way to get a full charge. Rather a solution to replace the battery somewhere between when it loses a percentage of its full capacity to when the battery’s warranty expires.

Do they have these for fleet vehicles?

Nationwide Standardization of batteries and supporting framework required to go mainstream, are used in factories for "fleet" equipment now

My thoughts on the subject are twofold. The good is obvious but one specific aspect is how these startups would, if successful to a certain degree, evolve into fuel station company equivalents. You'd basically end up with two payments instead of one. You'd buy a car and then match a battery pack plan to your driving habits. A driver who needs more yearly milage will likely pay more overall per month but the idea would be that you could only use the pack with an active susbcription. If you don't pay then the pack would be remotely disabled (and tracked, since it isn't your property in such a business model). The EVs wouldn't necessarily come with a pack, though there could be programs that offset costs via using a pack you own or purchased with the vehicle with the pack being used as a core charge. After a large number of miles (the estimated lifespan of the pack is a good guess at that number), that core would be absorbed into the plan and you'd begin paying as if you didn't own the pack itself (changes to plan perks and termination of subscription terms ensue) but you'd be given the option of buying a new core (or by having the core built into monthly charges so you can leave the subscription at any time). The other aspect is the obvious downside of it all: standardization. While I don't believe this is bad for the future, right now it could cause some issues. The main one would be the success of such a model itself in the current market. Unfortunately, this tech should be easy for companies like this to build a business similar to what I've described off of. Yet it isn't due to EVs being so new and barely any battery standards being introduced. If the UN could create some sort of battery size/shape/connector/software standard which didn't limit EV manufacturers too much vs their current "freedom" of design then these stations could be run by even small scale entrepreneurs (i.e. a mom/pop mechanic getting one of these swapping stations instead of an attached carwash) due to not having to worry about model compatability limiting customer base size. If that weren't to happen, you'd likely see one of these startups partbering with a EV manufacturer or two before any of these stations actually end up being built.

What's it cost to swap our a battery, and what does it cost to get a territory for these?

Hard to believe that people would agree to do this for their own vehicles, whe n we are talking about an $10000 and very sensible component.

Good luck swapping it out in a -20C blizzard, though. Having said that, it should be mandatory for ALL COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.

This might take 50 years to be popular in the US

Why does the host look like Linus Sebastian from Linus tech tips 😂 0:06

I thought that was Linus until I heard his voice

Not for me, I take very good care of my battery, I’ve no idea how trashed the new battery is. This is a perfect solution for commercial, Uber, Taxi batteries.

@airbagsystems

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I don’t want someone else raggedy battery in my car, not to mention waiting in line for a swap defeats the purpose of saving time. It only takes 1 time to have a glitch on a swap or with the robot and 2 hours later you are still waiting to leave

How do they know they aren’t getting an old battery that needs replaced and how would you like to get someone’s old battery?

@princemehta1443

Жыл бұрын

change it again

@theotheleo6830

Жыл бұрын

You'll know when the car stops running.

@a1000island

2 ай бұрын

I'm sure the station test the battery while it's being charged

Isn't this just a copy of China's NIO battery swapping stations?

@JigilJigil

Жыл бұрын

Tesla was behind the concept, as always the Chinese copied from Tesla, and at the end Tesla didn't go with it.

Seems kinda pointless since we are now getting EVs that can charge to 80% in 15 minutes. It might be worth it for fleet cars like autonomous taxis.

It’s great

As smart as renting extra batteries for long trips

They neglected to include the costs. What are the costs of retrofitting a car with Ample's equipment, and the cost of swapping? Also, what are their batterie's kWh? And finally, it's unlikely you'll be the only person in line, so it'll take longer than 5 minutes. I saw a video about a customer at one of Nio's battery swapping facilities. It took him more than 30 minutes due to the backlog of cars.

This would make electric cars more practical. The gas station model is tried and true. Range would no longer be an issue, no home charging stations or long waits.

This system needs to be standardized. Station then services the batteries and replaces damaged cells. Charge accordingly for the change and for the wear and tear.

The concept is great but the challenge here, I suspect, is getting adoption from automakers. If Ample can break into either the Euro, North American, or Japanese market (in a major way) then it will have a chance to spread to the rest.

Hasn't anybody learned after the Chevy Bolt and Volt.

Does this work on Teslas? If so, love to this in Australian cities and regional areas especially SouthEast Queensland where more and more EVs are on the roads these days.

Interesting! This will also save customers thousands of dollars when their battery goes bad. Just swap for a good one. This will cost Ample a fortune later on down the road when they constantly get bad batteries as time goes on. Oh my gosh, imagine what would happen if it was in reverse? Imagine your good battery gets swapped out for a bad one? I would be pissed.

Good idea for fleets but not retail consumers. I would worry that my brand new OEM battery pack was being swapped out for a much older Ample pack with reduced range, albeit fully charged.

I really don't see this catching on. Maybe for fleet cars, taxis, and delivery.

Here's the major issue that the car manufacturer has to get around. Initial price of the battery to the consumer. As a consumer, I would be paying for a brand new battery, but upon the first battery swap, I could be getting a battery that is years old or may already be developing a defect. And if the battery is defective, does that effect the warranty of the car? If car manufacturers plan on this type of battery swapping tech, then there is no way they could incorporate the price of the batteries into the overall cost of the car, but somehow I think they would try. If you think the fine print of a car agreement is long now, just wait until this tech is included in that agreement.

the fact that swapping batteries for used ones will always raise concerns, let alone the cost

This is what i envisioned when people talked about electric cars. Maybe its because ive been using cordless tools more than half my life, but i never thought people would buy a car they have to stop and charge.

If they build more battery swap stations in America, then maybe(just maybe) I’ll think about purchasing an EV in the future.

How dependable are the swap stations? What happens if it jams while in the middle of the swap. What happens in the event of a fire during the swap?

only regulation with standardized batteries in all company cars can be done

I do not think the "last min delivery start up, Sally" is what is shown...which is sally beauty.....a public beauty supply store.

When is Nio coming to the US???

Combine this with a few electric charging stations at the same site and you got a WIN and NO REASON to think that EV cars aren't the wave of the future.

Phoenix AZ add here please 🙏

Great idea. If customers don’t own their battery, that brings the cost of owning EVs down. Also, maybe provide a fully charged swappable battery as a monthly or yearly subscription?! Shai Agassi promoted this long time ago!

@TheWizardGamez

9 ай бұрын

I’d rather pay at the point of swap, I just really hate the everything has to be a subscription model

@meehasha.

8 ай бұрын

It would also make manufacturers aim at long lasting product if customers wouldn't have to deal with old batteries.

Boom

NIO is light years beyond this. How many swap stations are available and where are they?

Really I like the technology as you said I need to see my City so can I adapt this technology or to have in anyway by buying or …… Please let me know

As if it wasn't tried over a decade ago with Better place and Renault's Fluence ZE

Substations. That's why we need them. Honestly, our prices should come down. Seems we would collectively fund and support this obvious solution. Exciting!

Just wait till you drive up, and there is no batteries

Too bad it couldn’t be some sort of hybrid battery where you could switch out the liquid electrolytes with fully charged electrolytes and wouldn’t have to deal with changing the battery but still I thought about swapping batteries years ago for electric cars. Now implement this battery swap system in the US and also use safer less flammable batteries. Also thought about rippled to increase surface area without taking up more space solar panels under paint the paint would let light come through so you could be charging whenever your electric car is in the sun.

So you bring in your 2012 Nissan leaf with a 50% degraded battery, and get a new battery? NICE!

How much does a swap cost? Tesla tried to do this early on, but the cost was very high.

Perhaps Buy 2 battery cores from station, then you always have 1 in your car and 1 "in service"

Is it safe? I want to see more and how exactly it is happening?

This is the way to go. Except all electric vehicles have to standardize.

How much does it cost to battery swap? It is about the same price as a tank fill-up?

*Too many points of failure, wearing out the battery connectors*

@BrandonG85

Жыл бұрын

Yes I agree, too many moving parts involved each with a point of failure. Not to mention weather involved such as rain, snow, mud, sand and ice which could get caught/stuck or corrode connectors as you mentioned.

Three day set up time is shocking. How much resources & manpower are saved over building a gas station? Cheers

If you don’t have time to wait 30min, you must be insanely rich to the point that you are losing thousands every time you take dump.

Just great until... the batteries are nearing the end of their life cycle. Imagine being the unlucky driver who pulls away with a failing battery pack that won't hold a charge!

Great concept but…. What if someone has a battery with 10% or mor degradation, do they then get a new battery ? The idea is sound but the details are important

how about the battery warranty with the vehicle maker? how about a battery with a dead cell, will they swap the battery? how about the cost of standardizing the battery system? if this wonderment goes belly-up, where are the owners going for warranty? it looks like it could potentially end up in a big mess for the punters. it also seems that to accommodate the exchange mechanism that the battery pack is going to be somewhat smaller and provide less range than the original battery pack.

Better Place (plc) did this in 2011. It's now a defunct company.

Tesla came up with the concept, Chinese thought that is revolutionary so have invested in it, and most EV owners don't like the idea.

@KaceyGreen

Жыл бұрын

Better Place, Tesla, Nio, I wonder what it will take to make this concept commercially viable

This is the place will put anyone to a horrible place of emergency of fire on cars

It will comes down to the prices if it cost more than fill up your gas tank! Then, forget it!

Good idea, BUT the car has to be built with that feature in the first place. Tesla is definitely out because their batteries are a part of the chassis structure, and you only mentioned ONE car maker who may or may not re-engineer their cars to gave that feature.

What Linus does here?

Funny we are now swapping batteries in cars but shouldn't we be still able to do it in a phone?

@toyotaprius79

Жыл бұрын

Free market capitalism, gotta love it when phone manufacturers will spend millions in lobbying to prevent laws from forcing replaceable modular batteries.

@marcwells03

Жыл бұрын

Europe just passed a law that will require all phones to have the ability by 2027

@chemjam92

Жыл бұрын

@@marcwells03 yes I am aware of that but I live in US

@marcwells03

Жыл бұрын

@@chemjam92 phone makers won’t make 2 models. We will benefit by these rules in the US as well

@chemjam92

Жыл бұрын

@@marcwells03 they make left or ride hand drive cars so yes they can make two different models

What people really don't appreciate about this technology is that the utilities can create incentives to charge these batteries when renewable energy production exceeds the demand from the grid. This will make it easier for utilities to invest in renewables and maintain grid stability.

Only good for fleets will to invest in this startup’s batteries.

So getting out of the Tesla like world and getting to actual reality 1. I guess everyone is assuming that in no way ever a driver will damage a battery driving around? 2. Doesn't creating all those batteries kind negate being "green"? 3. We have the raw materials to do something in mass quantities like this? 4. I'm assuming they're cheap if you're planning to have them transferred out so often?

If they store this many batteries, one of them is bound to blow up. It is in the odds nothing you can do about it.

what about 5 or more car in line 5x5= 25 min

Better to invent a battery that lasts longer

Nio is at the forefront of this. Get your facts straight. Nio just needs 3 minutes!

@CHIEF_420

Жыл бұрын

🧂🧂

An obvious solution for electric vehicles

Only practical for taxi companies like Uber.

😮

The main problem is that one battery swap costs $20. I would rather just charge cheaply at home overnight.

Ev is Best

This was solved by “Better Place” 10 years ago. Have they solved what got them bankrupt?

it's cool but i am fairly certain that we will soon have cheap and fast charging batteries with high range so i think this will become obsolete soon.

@toyotaprius79

Жыл бұрын

They were already made obsolete by EV technology from 7 years ago.

I'm pretty sure this is going to fail in the future. Due to costs of the battery, but also the very high possibility of manufacturers making it difficult to replace batteries (different battery designs/shapes, different locations and so on). Requiring the driver to go to their local dealership to replace.

This doesn’t account for battery degradation. If I have brand new battery why would I want to receive a battery that’s been on the road for 3 years simply because it’s been fully charged

You listening Elon?

NIO is the Best

Unfortunately there won't be a "standard " battery because as with everything it'll be a money making venture these ev's are no greener than ice when factoring in build mining etc. It's the equivalent of a 4 wheel mobile phone all hype to make money.