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Diane Abbott's badly written draft reply was about appearance. You can't tell if someone is Irish, a Traveller, or Jewish from their appearance, but you can tell if someone is black, and that's what she was on about. But, just a sniff of scandal was all the factional racist right-wing of the Labour Party-as exposed by the Forde Report and Labour Files-and the right-wing media needed to go after her. She said that the Irish, Travellers, Jews and redheads have all suffered prejudice - how is that remotely anti-Semitic? Labour right-wingers have said far worst, but Starmer still allows them to stay in the Labour Party. Also, notice that the Irish, the Traveller community, and redheads and all been erased from the conversation!

Come on, it's Diane Abbot, her apology will never be accepted by some. Many of those people were never as offended as they pretended they were, and never were offended on her behalf when Abbot herself has been the victim of racism

@morganflack7542

Жыл бұрын

I didn't think the letter was particularly bad, feels like she mightve been having a bad day or something. Compare it with someone like fucking Boris. It was more of a hah gotcha moment there are many out there that joyously abuse Dianne Abbot they mustve fucking loved it when they saw that letter.

@californiadreamin8423

Жыл бұрын

Give your brain a chance. She emailed the paper twice , four hours apart, and a week before it was published. It’s typical hard left scheming to undermine todays Labour Party and the chance of a Labour government……as if an 80 seat disaster for working people wasn’t bad enough.

@globalist1990

Жыл бұрын

I wonder how offended they were how the ftx scam played on people's prejudices.... 🤷‍♂️

@RichardEnglander

Жыл бұрын

Leftists don't accept apologies and they don't allow reception.

@richardfoulger4486

Жыл бұрын

Your point is ridiculous. This just like those who apologise for any politician that has put their foot in it. Abbot is a racist as is anyone who uses the colour of skin in the context of a statement about someone. Can be themselves or others. For example the term White privilege is a racist but Abbot and those like her won’t accept this. It is not just about antisemitism but it’s racism in the round. Everyone is victim of prejudice in this country. Just because your white doesn’t mean you can’t be racial abused. Labour still has a dirty house it needs deep clean quickly if it is going to be a serious contender for government. Labour winning the next election shouldn’t be about timing or turns. But that what a lot still talking about, they are undecided. People are apathetic. Labour should be a force of reckoning against all comers. Instead it’s still finding itself. Meanwhile the Conservative Party are making the country in their own image. That’s is ok for some but not for the many.

Did Mr Peston forget his shoes? On a serious note, exceptionally sensible points of view and deepest respect to his charitable work giving hope and opportunity to the working class. Thank you Robert.

@huwwiliams8426

Жыл бұрын

Shoes? The way he's talking the talk and walking the walk in sticking up for the working class. Red trainers with white stripes could be good; sonic lol

@user-wf4hy4ub7p

Жыл бұрын

Charitable work usually ends up with the top dogs of the charity taking the lions share of the donations.

@coppershark1973

Жыл бұрын

Yep. It’s usually a stealth tax dodge.

@mesolithicman164

11 ай бұрын

It's a game. The charity work enhances Brand Peston, and let's him pretend he's helping disadvantaged kids up the ladder. Of course he's not.

@Phil-kt6hc

11 ай бұрын

@@mesolithicman164 bit cynical mate. Plenty of other things he could do to raise his brand.

Peston didn’t show much compassion towards Corbyn who he still traduced in this interview.

Kudos to those who have spoken up for the acceptance of her apology. The silence from those who probably have a similar perspective on accepting the apology is deafening. John McDonnell spoke correctly on this matter recently and showed commendable loyalty, not surprising from him. John McTernan from the right of the Labour Party has also spoken in her defence in respect of how the controversy should be responded to. Credit is due to him as he had no reason to speak out. The onslaught against Diane Abbott is, as least as far as the right is concerned, yet another excuse to attack her.

@markmaher4548

Жыл бұрын

Well maybe, just maybe, she should make sure her comments are factually & historically correct.

@toyotaprius79

Жыл бұрын

​​@@markmaher4548 Northern Ireland Bang out some historical facts if you're ready...

@markmaher4548

Жыл бұрын

@@toyotaprius79 We're are discussing the slave trade here. I take it you've heard of the Barbary pirate slave trade? In reference to NI? Shall we discuss the "Plantation" courtesy of Charles 1st?

@markmaher4548

Жыл бұрын

@@toyotaprius79 Nothing to say discussing the "Plantation"?

@californiadreamin8423

Жыл бұрын

Come on 80’s music…..just why did Abbott email twice, a week before it was published ? Some “error” . P.S. Still slow to explain why Corbyn imposed a 3 line whip to support a minority Tory government get Article 50 through parliament, and make working people poorer, and prevent them earning a living anywhere in Europe. Until you do I’ll stand by my accusation that you post Twaddle.

Robert is from a middle class family, but didn't mention that his late father was a life Peer and so Robert can be styled "The Honourable". I suppose everyone knows that, and hardly matters, except a bit of a gap when discussing privileges.

@markmaher4548

Жыл бұрын

Actually, no, he can't, hence the term life peer. The "enoblement" lasts for that person's life time & doesn't pass on to his family. Otherwise he'd of been a hereditary peer.

@g-r-a-e-m-e-

Жыл бұрын

@@markmaher4548 that might be right, and he never used this anyway, but I still feel he is a bit more privileged than he suggests in the interview. Not wanting to overdo it, though.

@markmaher4548

Жыл бұрын

@@g-r-a-e-m-e- He's a tad better off than most, he's worked his arse off to get where he is. But his oldman having a life peerage didn't factor in to it.

@g-r-a-e-m-e-

Жыл бұрын

@@markmaher4548 if people know, hard to rule it out as an advantage in life, in such a snobby society. But yes credence to him.

The framing and composition of this interview is very satisfying. Very simple but effective set.

@coppershark1973

Жыл бұрын

Except it’s not centred and my OCD is kicking in.

Have ginger people suffered the same type of prejudice that black people have suffered? She mentioned the Irish and the traveller community too. This wasn't an attack on the Jewish community, simply a statement of nuance in the different types of prejudice and the generational effects of such. Was it wise for her to say this now? maybe not but many people suffer prejudice and racism in many different ways over different time periods.

@toyotaprius79

Жыл бұрын

The truth of what British colonialisation had done to Ireland is still pathetically misunderstood, misleading and weaponised in Britain. That alone is an exposure to the institutional racism that operates in the UK.

@steveparker8065

Жыл бұрын

@@toyotaprius79 Agreed, The Cromwellian invasion of Ireland and later the wealthy English being granted arable land in Ireland led to the famine. I was born in 1972 and some hotels and bed and breakfasts were still adored with the 'No Irish' signs.

@DJWESG1

Жыл бұрын

English song sang to me by government employees in a institution (former military) Ginger you're barmy, you'll never join the army, can't get a job with a rusty nob , becUse ginger you're barmy. These 'sorts' in the care system reproducing all sorts of bile.

@franklingoodwin

Жыл бұрын

Also, I'd argue that the Irish traveller isn't a race but an ethnicity. Their ethnicity is Irish (and possibly Romany, which again is an ethnicity not a race)

@franklingoodwin

Жыл бұрын

@@toyotaprius79 I get where you're coming from but Irish isn't a race, it's an ethnicity at most, and a nationality at the least. On a census form, Irish is listed under white

Either the political editor of ITV has not read the Forde Report, or he is suppressing it.

@huwwiliams8426

Жыл бұрын

Good point. Maybe wilful ignorance is bliss too LMAO

@modestproposal9114

Жыл бұрын

@huw wiliams it is sinister. In this interview, Peston comes across as a good, reasonable guy. Charity work and pleading for compassion to the much abused Diane Abbott. But this very reasonableness makes his lying about the Left so much more insidious. His role, like James O Brien and the Guardian, is to capture the audience the obviously Right wing media can't get, and make sure they never vote for the Left.

On my first working Friday in London in 2004, a man shouted at me "Fucking IRA scum" when he heard my Irish accent, and only that a security man stepped in, I would have been assaulted. I was just standing with a colleague waiting for someone. Racism alive and well. And it turned out he worked in our business ! But I thought better of reporting him to HR as I was fresh off the boat, and didn't know how deep racism went in the area/ in the business.

The Joe presenter is a far better interviewer than Peston who is in the habit of talking over his guests before they’ve even started to answer his questions.

@whynot217

Жыл бұрын

This is a very difficult kind of interview to what Peston does. Long form conversations there is time to let the interviewee speak and the point of them is to give them a platform. The point of a 15 minute political interview is to challenge government or opposition on their views and what they would do and make them answer the bloody question

I didn’t know this about Peston. I’m impressed.

@californiadreamin8423

Жыл бұрын

Don’t get carried away, he’s good at blowing smoke in peoples faces.

@juliewake4585

Жыл бұрын

@@californiadreamin8423 I’d like to think that this operation he’s organised may actually be doing some good, but maybe I’m naive and would always like to think the best of people.

@zakgault4209

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, I may have misjudged him. Always good to learn :)

@bennystokes8481

Жыл бұрын

peston is a tory stooge pretending to be something he is not.if they do forgive dianne abbot then they have to forgive jeremy corbyn who was found not to be an antisemite.its all a set up to banish socialists.

@californiadreamin8423

Жыл бұрын

@@juliewake4585 I used to think the best of people but when it comes to “journalists “ I instantly question their motives, their editors motives, or ultimately the motives of whoever is paying the “journalist “. When Abbott sent 2 emails hours apart and a week before publication…..which I’m sure Peston knows all about….then his opening line about an “apology” is an “apology “ is flannel….or blowing smoke in your eyes. Not sure what operation you’re referring to. I haven’t watched all this interview…..I’m going off Politics Joe because I’m suspicious of their motives too. If I sound intolerant…..I didn’t used to be, but I’ve lost my freedom of movement, my retirement plans are in tatters, and journalists like Peston are in my black book of those culpable.

She submitted the letter, saying it was a draft (disputed). She apologised because of the backlash.

@californiadreamin8423

Жыл бұрын

…..and how many times did she submit her letter ?

Was your set in the back of a van that had to reverse at some point during the interview?

Looks and sounds like the Robert Peston that laughed and mocked Diane with ultrabellend Jess Philipps (and some other gigaTerfs) over tea and croissants through the mindwarp parallel universe of 2019. Centre-right establishment hack, and all round boring bloke who is basically a big name because of the 2008 GFC.

Very impressed that Preston spoke out. Kudos to him

I remember a time when un paid 'internships' was basically telling anyone working-class to piss of.

He doesn’t accept Corbyn’s apology, does he?

@bennystokes8481

Жыл бұрын

no because they do not hold christian values

@markmaher4548

Жыл бұрын

Corbyn to this day states the ECHR report was exagerated. If he'd accepted the report in full? We wouldn't even be discussing Corbyn?

@bennystokes8481

Жыл бұрын

@@markmaher4548 it was exaggerated you silly person .it was a politically motivated coup led by peter mandelson.the jews are always crying victim.the people who run our country are zionist vermin..no one will ever tell me im antisemitic for holding the jews to account for their vile enforcement of their beliefs..they are the biggest hypocrites to troll this earth.

@huwwiliams8426

Жыл бұрын

Stops shot @leftisum

@bennystokes8481

Жыл бұрын

@@huwwiliams8426 gullable fool

I'm surprised this guy's ego could fit through the door

@josephhaywood9238

Жыл бұрын

Better than a sense of entitlement

@mesolithicman164

11 ай бұрын

He's rooted in entitlement. His father was a Baron and a Lord. He went to Oxford. Can you get more entitled than being 'titled', he can call himself "the Honourable", but presumably doesn't want to draw attention to his privilege. It's all an illusion, there's 'them' and 'us'. The Art is in not looking _too_ them. Until you retire of course, then all your ermine comes out for display.

I agree , i had a family where sorry was never enough for my imperfections its horrible because what else can you do with people who just keep records of all your mistakes and want to punish you forever ? and that's why i don't have much time the culture in this country , although people that can really hurt you and you fear , they do what they please nobody even questions thier mistakes miscreant and downright horrendous behaviours and opinions and views , in fact everything they do is largely celebrated, especially if they are beautiful as well . Pathetic culture the uk , it makes me laugh when Braverman saying imigrants dont share our values ,no f**king wonder really its just pathetic

Love all your videos, but the sound is never synced with the video, drives me crazy!

Never say sorry about things you believe in, do not apologise ever.

@markmaher4548

Жыл бұрын

Despite historically accepted facts proving someone's statements them wrong?

@fredatlas4396

Жыл бұрын

​@@markmaher4548Your statement doesn't make any sense, please could you clarify it. Maybe you didn't word it correctly

@markmaher4548

Жыл бұрын

@@fredatlas4396 What didn't you understand Fred? I'm quite happy to take you through a deep dive of say for e.g. the Barabary slave trade for e.g.? I'm sure you're aware of the Barbary slave trade?

@markmaher4548

Жыл бұрын

@@fredatlas4396 You have heard of the Barbary slave trade Fred? Operating quite freely tilabout 1780 & not "officialy" stopped until about 1829 by the RN & USN? You do know this right Fred?

@markmaher4548

Жыл бұрын

@@fredatlas4396 I take it you've done some speed reading Fred? It's been over two hours.

I think the difficulty is her belief in a hierarchy of racism that accords different privileges and deprivations in discourse. While its demonstrable that certain forms of racism are more virulent than others in different societies at different times, the fact remains that unfairly discriminating on the basis of immutable characteristics is such a prevalent negative human tendency (the primal fear of the "other") that it will inevitably take on many different forms, thus making the idea of a hierarchy of racism thoroughly impractical. I haven't seen Abbott disavow this concept, which seems to be the root of the issue.

@bennystokes8481

Жыл бұрын

if you can not forgive then you dont hold christian values.

@kaitlyn__L

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Her “draft” said Jews didn’t face racism at all, then her apology said “okay, it’s racism, but it’s still a milder kind of racism”. It’s just toning-down the same flawed rhetoric, when racism manifests in very different ways. They’re not linearly comparable.

@jooseppielleese7156

Жыл бұрын

​@Never repeats Jews aren't the only groups she mentioned, but it the only one the media cares about. The Irish have and still face racism by the British and their history is worse than that of the Jews in the UK.

@mesolithicman164

11 ай бұрын

Do you think that if you go to Nigeria they will bend over backwards to eradicate any difference in life chances between you and one of their own? We're idiots to believe we could ever remove our own in group bias. And we shouldn't have to, this is our country not theirs. There is a dogmatic refusal to understand human nature. People know, trust, understand their own kind in a way we can never change. And the more Abbott complains, the more draws attention to herself not being like us, culturally rather than racially.

I'm probably one of the few who didn't see anything particularly wrong with Diane Abbott's letter especially when you put into context of the original letter she was responding to. Taken out of this context, possibly people may feel some level of outrage... Having read the original article and Diane's response twice, I can say the flaw in her response was the lack of British examples because there are plenty in which the distinction between prejudice and racism can be made. Not saying either of these things are better than the other but they are definitely not interchangeable.

suit and trainers love it! xx

Amazing thank you my daughter was a electrician in her work experiance she leaves in june starting her apprentice with the same electrician she smashed it. I know been poor I wanted my kids to live there best life and not like her mum a public sector slave. xx

Robert Peston is close friends with Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper. It's interesting that he didn't mention that in this interview.

Saying that hierarchy of racism is absurd is offensive to the people who suffered the most racism. The Irish experience does not compare in the slightest to the experience of the black people in the transatlantic slave historically or present day. From the windrush scandal to that young girl who was strip search in school, the level of racism that black people still face is egregious.

Completely agree with his view on the typical social media reaction to an apology

From my reading of social media it's obvious that if anyone made a four set Venn diagram of people who believe Abbott is a racist, people who defended the 'gollywog landlord', people who insist the likes of May, Johnson, Farage and Braverman are *not* racist, and people who are Kahanists it would be a circle. Almost all have flags or dogs as profile pics too.

when you're out to destroy somone.. no matter how much they apolagise, it'll never be enough....

@bennystokes8481

Жыл бұрын

its because their judge and jury do not hold christian values.

Great interview. Peston's the 'Beston'. 😌 forgive me

YES

It was one of those too many spritzers before sending the email by Diane Abbott!

You cant apoligise or distance yourself from something you actually written. The fact was it wasnt on social media or a throw away tweet it was a written letter to a newspaper

@biscuit4259

Жыл бұрын

That’s absurd, of course you can apologise for something you’ve done! What kind of person are you?

@chesterdonnelly1212

Жыл бұрын

Her letter was dumb and her apology was dumb. We can conclude that she is not clever.

We are discussing politicians who have been around long enough to called "experienced", so we have every right to assume that their utterances are both considered and genuine on such matters. Why make then otherwise? Any later "apology" should be viewed in the context of what has been said and, more aptly, the ensuing response and its effect on the career of the speaker.

@chesterdonnelly1212

Жыл бұрын

Bigotry of low expectations. She's black so she can be forgiven for not being very bright.

How many times did Abbott send her emails in error !!!

Excellent interview by an excellent interviewer. Thank you.

The system is strong,

So who was this amazing undergraduate young woman who helped set it up?

Then. How do you say sorry!? A real apology has three parts; (1) I was wrong, (2) I feel bad for having hurt you, (3) how can I make it up to you? Saying the word 'sorry' can sometimes approximate these steps. However, the point I want to make is that to be a true apology it must fundamentally be a process of sincere, humble, supplication. Conversely, you can't force someone to accept an apology, even a fantastic and well considered one. And a bad apology is worse than no apology at all. It is slimy, controlling and manipulative. Which brings me to Abbott. I don't think she is sincere in her apology, and this discourse reminds me of BoJo at the height of party-gate. Who, of those telling the public to accept Abbot's apology and move on, was also saying likewise regarding party-gate? Accepting an apology doesn't mean forgetting, resetting and unconditional forgiveness. Accepting an apology, really, is agreeing to participate in someone's sincere attempt to grow personally, after having made an error. We don't, or shouldn't, have personal relationships with our politicians, they are officials doing a public service - not celebrities. THIS is why public officials MUST resign as part of point (3) in a real apology. That is leadership, that is taking responsibility for one's dominion. Otherwise the story can quickly become political theatre. Where does the buck stop? Who was responsible? Who should have been responsible? Who can we trust? What colour is YOUR scarf?

@kaitlyn__L

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. She just tried to distance herself from it by calling it a draft. But you don’t accidentally write a draft like that. Not to mention her apology doesn’t truly repudiate the statements; it says “okay fine it is racism, but it’s still a lesser form” which is also a common antisemitic refrain. It’s just a toned-down version of the same rhetoric, which is to downplay what exists. Her letter doesn’t recognise the fact that racism has many heads, that it can be more pernicious in some ways but less pernicious in others depending on the group. Because if she did accept that, she’d know trying to collapse those complexities into a one-dimensional severity figure was misleading at best.

Class and economic background cuts through all components of diversity and representation. How many of Person’s staff are working class? 9:27

Strongly agree with Peston about apologies. Some people are just so set in their ways and don't forgive fuck all!

Yet another reporter who doesn’t mention the Ford Report which vindicates DA point.

@andrewwalsh2755

Жыл бұрын

In my Working Definition Of Reality... the Forde Report doesn't exist... It looks like Peston has adopted my Working Definition Of Reality... give him a promotion... There's a job for him at The Times...

18:15 pretty sure the word he’s describing is ‘collusion’. What other words could Peston have found?

It was surely what Diane missed out in her letter that was problematic rather than what was in it?

I never expected Rober Peston to errh and errhm that much...

@laurieharper1526

Жыл бұрын

It's very much his trademark. He seems to be thinking on his feet a lot of the time.

@californiadreamin8423

Жыл бұрын

@@laurieharper1526 Try Talk Radio…..Boris Johnson, I make model buses. ( ex Fuhrer, and King )

22:01 so this argument is "it's ok to be a biased and corrupt journalist at the top of the profession so long as everyone can see that your a corrupt and biased journalist". What utterly self serving bs.

This muzak in the background is maddening.

The pinging noise in the background is driving me crazy

She has no need to apologise to me. The woman has been subject to racist abuse for her entire political career. I think I can forgive her having a different view to myself. Peston can do one though.

@mesolithicman164

11 ай бұрын

Because she has made race an issue throughout her career. Should people just pretend she never says anything divisive? And if you disregard her aren't you effectively saying, "she's black, don't expect her to say anything of any importance". That seems like racism to me, but just not overt.

@happinesstan

11 ай бұрын

@@mesolithicman164 Yeah, whatever.

I haven't got how an AI system can make the newspaper reports that a journalist on a local paper would make, because it relies on source material and these are the people who are making the source material. So sure, it could read an annual report, and be plugged-in to the market reaction; or summarise a press release. But this is a small part of the job. Apart from it not giving a full picture, how many local newspaper readers are even interested in that? I've not seen an AI system that goes to an event to know what's going on; or even makes a phone call and conducts an interview with probing questions. AI is a powerful aggregator of source material, but I think a lot of jobs are going to be made redundant by AI before local reporters. It's other market changes that have reduced the numbers of local journalists, and that had already happened before AI was on everybody's lips.

What percentage of people class themselves as working class compared to 70s or 80s?

@chesterdonnelly1212

Жыл бұрын

It was around the year 2000 that the middle class overtook the working class in total numbers.

Well Gary Lineker got suspended by Tories for voicing his opinion as a journalist so I would say the two entities are implicitly involved with each other at this point.

3 or 4 months suspended and then reinstated in the summer. Simple.

Why does he speak in slow motion.?

We’re lucky we’ve got the cable here in Bristol. Proper and funded by the readers. Barb

I I didn't know Robert Peston was a Jewish,.A friend told me that Laura Kuenssberg was Jewish.Other questions too come to mind.

How is her son

No, the reason the apologies are not accepted as much these days is because it could be written by the party or a PR firm.

It was a mistake. She is still a better politician than the vast majority.

🤠💜

The reaction was always going to be magnified because it was Diane Abbott. However, what she wrote must have taken her some time to think about and put into a final draft for submission. At some point surely a reasonably educated and savvy person would have thought 'Hmmmm, this might not go down too well'. To then roll over within hours of publication and say she wanted to retract and distance herself from her own comments seems completely disingenuous to me.

Maybe if she had spoken and made a mistake, but it was an article she had a chance to re- read before posting

She has been racist for a long time since before 2012. How can most British people accept it? Most young people who didn't follow politics before 2015 will never understand.

Fine, she's apologised, but forgive us for being sceptical that her lifelong held views have changed.

@jaygee6447

Жыл бұрын

Exactly 👌

@chesterdonnelly1212

Жыл бұрын

Forgive us for thinking she's dumb for believing Jews never suffered racism.

@bennystokes8481

Жыл бұрын

if you do not forgive then you do not hold christian values.

@liarbrice4772

Жыл бұрын

Fine, but do you feel the same about the overt prejudice of, say, Cameron ("invasion, swarm, benefit tourism") May (Hostile environment, Go Home vans, Windrush), Johnson ("Piccaninnies, tank top bum boys", Jew controlled media, "ill-raised, ignorant, aggressive and illegitimate children" of single mothers) Farage (Breaking Point, Jewish Lobby), Rees-Mogg ((((cultural Marxism))), anti-LGBT, white Supremacist affiliations) Braverman ((((cultural Marxism))), illegal immigration bill, racist rhetoric), et al, or are you a hypocrite?

@jaygee6447

Жыл бұрын

@@bennystokes8481 so as long as I hold Cristian values, and I apologies for anything I do or say, I can be excused? Let’s say from racism or murder?

The apology doesn't make sense to U-turn that quickly and fully, given it appeared to be a nuanced point about differences in prejudice and how she was viewing racism. To be on the left and sadly be exposed to horrible abuse at times, you would expect her to have a lot of knowledge on the topic and opinion. This I expect was the point of her responding publicly via a letter to an article on the subject. So then to do a complete 180 and repudiate it doesn't make sense. If it is just because Labour need to not 'be seen to make anti-semitic comments' - then the apology indeed doesn't mean much and we are left with confusion on what her views really are...Although I am not convinced of the value of making hierarchy of prejudice and racism, I would be interested to hear why she does think thats important and why she was compelled to respond, and I mean that genuinely as since her days on This Week next to Portillo I've always been fond of Diane.

A suit + trainers ?

@andrewwalsh2755

Жыл бұрын

... careful... If Peston was Jewish, that would get you branded an antisemite (by some people) ... and some people would have you lose your job!

@chesterdonnelly1212

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he walked there

@MontyCantsin5

Жыл бұрын

Yes, very common.

She needs to change her thinking so she doesn't think in a racist way and then she won't need to say sorry.

Peston can say this about e.g. Abbott now that theres no risk of a socialist labour party leader getting in. Would not have been the case a couple of years ago.

you cannot belive a word that comes out of her mouth

@bennystokes8481

Жыл бұрын

if you do not forgive then you hold no christian values..boris johnson was 1000 times worse..so keep your own mouth shut if you have nothing good to say.

@liarbrice4772

Жыл бұрын

Peston's a bloke, mate. You're probably thinking of Kuenssberg.

But you could sleep deeply about care as he has

When a gang of people attack one individual who writes what they think, the truth that they believe, that is what is wrong the gang is wrong.

sure, with Labour…they always accepted apology, but in 2023, that such idea is mentioned- even in a draft- i mean she is trained politician, its her ‘bread and butter’ . She can def say sorry but she shouldnt stay in the party

Tbh, Abbott was one of the worst parts of the labour party. She has zero logic.

@andrewwalsh2755

Жыл бұрын

... Kier Starmer has zero honesty, Integrity, Patriotism, charisma... and a bank account with £0 millions in it (he said in an interview that he wasn't a millionaire... but then he also said he Wasn't a Zionist and made bogus pledges so...). I'm sure he's hoping to change at least one of these conditions... if the general electorate are as Gullible as the Labour membership were, to believe his lies and elect him Party leader...

Why apologise for thinking ...

@chesterdonnelly1212

Жыл бұрын

She didn't think. That's the problem

What value does the word “sorry” mean, it’s just a word

Labour showing their real colours

She might say sorry but what does her mind think??

An apology does not mean that there are no consequences. We are not dealing with children here, but a senior politician. The Labour Party will assess this and decide. For all of that, I have high regard for Dianne Abbott.

So if you say you are sorry you should be forgiven for anything you have done?

Seems like a decent bloke

Too close for God's sake yeah

I think a lot of people advocating the acceptance of her apology need to question whether they would extend the same courtesy to someone outside the Labour Party who managed to get such a statement published in the first place, and then back-pedalled only after intense backlash. When people tell you what they believe, listen the first time.

@Lincoln_Bio

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps those people listened the first time when she told them what she believed over the 36 years she's been an MP idk

@astratan2238

Жыл бұрын

@@Lincoln_Bio which isn’t inconsistent with what she’s said this time, I dare say.

@thelawenforcerhd9654

Жыл бұрын

"I think a lot of people advocating the acceptance of her apology need to question whether they would extend the same courtesy to someone outside the Labour Party" Yeah imagine if the Jewish faith were institutionally bigoted and condemned homosexuals...oh wait they actually do.

@californiadreamin8423

Жыл бұрын

@@Lincoln_Bio How many times did she submit her article in “error”, and how long before it was published ? She’s not stupid. It’s a predictable stunt in support of her idol Corbyn. Anyone with half a brain would think they prefer to sabotage any opportunity to get rid of the Tories.

@thelawenforcerhd9654

Жыл бұрын

"I think a lot of people advocating the acceptance of her apology need to question whether they would extend the same courtesy to someone outside the Labour Party who managed to get such a statement published in the first place, and then back-pedalled only after intense backlash" You know that Jews have bigoted views also: opposition to homosexuality for example.Seems like a double-standard.

We all know why they are trying to destroy her and its ugly.

This isn’t a simple gaff, it was a premeditated letter which shows this is deeply rooted in her beliefs. That for me suggests she’s not fit to be in her position or in politics in general

@huwwiliams8426

Жыл бұрын

Armchair politician turns to remote armchair judge. True hero LMAO. Strip her profession cause you can remotely read minds. How democratic. I thought it was down to her constituents?

Whether one accepts her apology or not is a separate issue from whether one continues to trust her in a position of power or not. One can accept her apology as genuine and fulsome whilst still believing that her initial comments and the series of decisions or "errors" she made in the process of them being written and published make her unfit to hold a position in parliament.

@bennystokes8481

Жыл бұрын

if you forgive boris johnson time and time again and accept the racist tories then not only are people hypocrites they also hold no christian values.

@camillagilmore1547

Жыл бұрын

@@bennystokes8481 lol whut? My dude, my guy, I can think that Dianne Abbott should not hold a position of power and simultaneously think the same about Boris Johnson. Being critical of the left does not automatically mean I support the right. In fact, as someone who does not believe in the nation state as a legitimate political entity, I can believe that no politician is fit to hold the power they wield whilst simultaneously recognising the material reality of living in a nation state and so making judgement calls on who should and should not hold power under the present system. And if I think that Dianne Abbott is not fit to hold power, then it would be logical to assume that I consider Boris and the entirety of the Tory party to fall well below the standards of morality I consider necessary to hold power.

@liarbrice4772

Жыл бұрын

Do you hold all politicians to that standard or just the ones you personally dislike? I mean, if you're at all consistent, you'll no doubt be calling for the expulsion of May, Johnson, Braverman, Rees-Mogg, Anderson, Patel, Badenoch, Gullis, and many more, on both sides of the house, Starmer included, who are guilty of far worse transgressions against ethnic and religious minorities.

@camillagilmore1547

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@@liarbrice4772 literally I said I do not think a single politician in the world is fit to wield the power they hold? Like, even the ones I 'like' I do not think they should have the power they have? None of them are exempt? My original point is that whether one accepts an apology for a transgression is a separate issue from whether one believes a person should continue to hold their position of power after making such an error. If I gave someone responsibility for looking after my pet, and in the course of looking after said pet they accidentally hurt it, I could fully accept their apology as genuine whilst at the same time deciding that they would no longer be allowed to be responsible for the care of my pet. And again, it is utterly illogical to assume that believing Abbott is unfit to hold office would mean that I believe that people who are demonstrably worse, both morally and ideologically, somehow are fit to hold office.

@liarbrice4772

Жыл бұрын

@@camillagilmore1547 That's literally *not* what you said in the comment I was responding to, and I'm frankly amazed you can't comprehend why it might be assumed you were singling Abbott out for harsh treatment, but thanks for clarifying, pearl clutching notwithstanding :)

Concidering labours problems with anti semitism, why on earth did she think it was a good idea to start talking about the Jewish people and race?

Why is it necessary to create a charitable organisation to give free talks to poor schools?

Robert Peston may have gone to a comprehensive school but his family are very privileged and the succession of prestigious jobs and opportunities that unfolded before him is the kind of career that a miniscule quantity of people will ever experience. So going into schools and giving a 'few talks' will never confer the kind of advantages this guy has had. It's all a huge illusion. If your father is a Baron and a life peer you are destined to walk a golden path in this country. And to then come on a pocast with a jacket and an open neck shirt and tell a story about helping kids get on in life. It's all a farce and an illusion.

I'd accept her apology but never let her stay or come back to Labour.

Nice effort but kids need enough teachers, a health service they can access, food & warmth, and not to live in precarious or overcrowded or substandard housing. Let's hope Preston worked for those aims - but he hasn't, really.

I think we should separate Diane Abbot's role as a politican and leader from her overall moral character. It is perfectly possible and probably right to accept her apology whilst retaining the belief that she does not have the correct frame of mind or competence to be a politican and leader. I think sometimes when people say they don't want to accept her apology they are conflating those two things. Equally it is not hypocritical or nasty for the Labour party to remove the Parlimentary Whip whilst on a personal basis accepting her apology.

@eightiesmusic1984

Жыл бұрын

Another MP has had the whip restored after five months for an incident where she made a comment about Kwasi Kwarteng. No reason why Diane Abbot should not be afforded the same treatment- this would be fair and consistent. The Guardian, of course, because it hates the left of Labour and is a mouthpiece for the Labour right, ran an article this week questioning whether a lengthy enquiry would prevent Ms Abbot from standing as a candidate at the next election. The Guardian then referred to the restoration of the whip to the other MP after five months, a few sentences later. It knows very well that the GE will be in the autumn of 2024, well over a year away. It is widely believed to have been pencilled in before the clocks change. If Abbot is treated consistently, the whip can be restored in a relatively short period of time. Fundamentally, this is really all about eradicating the left from Labour once and for all and the egregious attacks on Diane Abbot ever since she was elected.

The point isn't that she said sorry, the point is, would she have said sorry if nobody had said it was inappropriate. We all knew it was, but lets assume we play a prank and just wait for her to realise it herself. Would she on her own, apologise? Also, how do you write such a thing, go through all the steps to make it media ready and not realise you've said something so absolutely abhorrent? That's why I don't think her apology is genuine.

@biscuit4259

Жыл бұрын

Another bloody minded absurdity! What is wrong with people? If course one can apologise after being given a new perspective - that’s how we grow and change! Jesus! I think a lot of these types of comments are prejudiced and reflect the enormous amount of abuse she’s received all her political life.

@chrisalexthomas

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@@biscuit4259 If it was some run of the mill person then I'd accept your premise. But this is a professional, working in her professional field for decades. She isn't some moron working in a factory with her idiot opinions about her idiot world views. Diane abbot is a professional and one with a huge amount of experience. Just like you would not expect, nor easily forgive a surgeon for killing a family member being of their incompetence. I would not so easily forgive Diane abbot for her incompetence. Especially since it was not a slip of the finger, or knife. But something she wrote with hours of time to think about it, edit it, word and reword it, etc, etc. So this is not some off the cuff comment. This was a carefully reasoned exercise in writing that even after a large amount of time. Could not figure out why it was not a wise thing to do. So it's basically worse than incompetent. It's arrogantly incompetent.

@globalist1990

Жыл бұрын

But it's not even inappropriate. Find a hobby.

@chrisalexthomas

Жыл бұрын

@@globalist1990 it's absolutely inappropriate, you have nothing interesting to say other than "NO YOU!!!" boring! come back when you have something more substantiative to say

@globalist1990

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisalexthomas comes back? I've got better things to do than bickering. Find a hobby. Also, racism relates to race. Racism=bad. Prejudices=bad. Some personal characteristics can't be hidden. It's not a pissing contest.

Is this out of sync or is this me?

she is sorry it exploded ,I can remember that maths problem live on TV she has cost labour so much credibility , along with that Brexiteer Corbyn , better off without both

I would accept her apology if she actually meant it she's doesn't mean it at all she's not sorry for what she said she's sorry her racist mask slipped and no longer has Jeremy to protect her. As a woman who has been on the end of racist abuse and someone who majored in history at university wwhat she said is both factually wrong,ignorant insulting and racist. She should have known better and the whole "its a draft" is the most pathetic non apology I've ever heard. It's not the first time she said something this utterly stupid,ignorant and frankly inmsulting it's merely the latest in a long line of such remarks and frankly she doesn't deserve anymore chances.

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Definitely not so empathetic towards Corbyn