fascinating. Great Job Rama.

@ramareddy

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, thank you :)

Great interview ❤

@ramareddy

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks!

@ramareddy

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for listening!

Hey man I'm just listening to this and I heard you ask about Jujutsu rules from the Meiji period. Have you ever read a paper called "Development of Judo competition rules" by Syd Hoare? It mentions a Jujutsu ruleset drawn up by Jigoro Kano for the Dai Nippon Butoku Kai in 1899. These are the earliest written rules for Jujutsu/Jiu Jitsu/Judo that we know of, and likely what the Japanese competed under when they travelled abroad in the early 20th century. Basically the rules were; No atemi waza, no joint locks on the fingers, toes, or ankles, and you're not allowed to start a match sitting or kneeling. You win by scoring best two out of three ippons. Ippons are scored the same as in modern Judo; by throw, pin, choke, or joint lock. Lesser points like waza ari were also awarded for throws which weren't quite perfect or for pins which the other guy escaped from. There was no specified time for how long a pin had to be held to score an ippon, that was left up to the referee's discretion. Also there was no time limit for the match itself, but the ref could call it a draw if he felt like enough time had passed.

@ramareddy

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I have! I think I mention it in this or the following episode :) Thank you for bringing it up. #RIP Sensei Hoare

@Stephen_Curtin

3 жыл бұрын

@@ramareddy Ah ok. You mentioned reading the paper of a "Dutch Jodo historian" so I thought you were talking about someone else. Syd Hoare as far as I know was British. Anyway I enjoyed the interview and I look forward to hearing more about the history of BJJ rules when you finish your research.

Link to part 2? Thanks in advance

@ramareddy

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJxhs8h_nN3Ul6Q.html Thought I had linked it already, thank you for reminding me!

do you have a personal origin story that you have posted?

@ramareddy

3 жыл бұрын

Personal as in my own or Robert's? I hope to talk to him again and get that out of him!

@JK-nh6jp

3 жыл бұрын

@@ramareddy's origin story, sorry wasn't clear.

@ramareddy

3 жыл бұрын

@@JK-nh6jp flattered! haha, www.ramareddy.org has quite a bit of info

@nstv23

3 жыл бұрын

@@ramareddy After samurai collapsed, ju jtsu went underground. As the time went by it was eventually labelled as low class thing etc. Kano an aristocrat and lover of the art was very smart. He knew he had to adapt it and turn it into a noble class thing again. It took time but he accomplished it. He modified it, structured it and the rest is history. A little history from Brazil. There were many Japanese teaching ju jitsu in Brazil and all over the world in the past. Some raising the flag of ju jitsu, some straight from kodokan dojo. The Gracies didn’t want to fall under kodokan umbrella and their structure. The Gracies had their own vision and needed the freedom to do whatever they wanted. They focused much more on ground fighting. Also, they were using and training Ju Jitsu preserving the martial art aspect of it and not as much as a sport. Just like other Japanese teaching in Brazil at the time, the Gracies were teaching ju jitsu and marketing themselves as a jiu jitsu, fighters and teachers. Exactly like all the others Japanese fighter that were in Brazil promoting and marketing themselves as ju jitsu fighters and teachers and not promoting the kodokan from Japan. Remember they were immigrants starting a new life in Brasil. Trying to make money. Of course some Japanese were promoting the kodokan as well. It’s very simple. Ju Jitsu the original, became Kano ju jitsu that became kodokan judo. This linage is the most important. All the modern sports like BJJ, sambo, Olympic judo, submission etc are all amazing branches from the same tree. Again they are all different sports from the same art. When the Gracies took it to US they patented Gracie jiu jitsu. With the growth of Jiu Jitsu, a competition scene of the sport jiu jitsu started growing in Brazil. Because of growth of the new sport, many gyms were opening everywhere. People were getting promoted and opening new gyms or “business” all over the world. In the US the same thing started to happen. People were migrating to teach the art after the boom from the first UFC. So with the money opportunities in the US many people wanted to teach jiu jitsu but didn’t want to pay to use the Gracie name. As the American scene evolved and grew, there was a need to create a federation and for marketing purposes, the “ Brazilian “ jiu jitsu federation was created. The Brazilian was to show that it was the same art from the Gracies without any legal trademark problems. Please make sure to train both modern BJJ + modern judo = real ju jitsu Best of both worlds. Respect both sports because it is the same art. Respect all the pioneers that paved the way on both sides. Because of each person involved in the process we today have all these greatness of grappling around. Osu !